Is Tom Dwan a Poker Scammer Or A Victim?

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Is Tom Dwan a Poker Scammer Or A Victim?

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Shocking accusations have surfaced regarding Tom Dwan owing moneyand being in debt to several poker pros such as Peter Jetten, Haralabos Voulgaris, and Daniel Cates. This video delves into the complete narrative surrounding whether Tom Dwan is perceived as a scammer or a victim.
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@Straddle300 5 ай бұрын

True story. I once loaned a total stranger $50 bucks in a grocery store and never expected to see him again. Years later, 5 years later to be exact I happened to see him at an event. He remembered me and handed me a $100.

@johndicarlo225 5 ай бұрын

Like that song "What goes around comes around .."

@Kalki1122 5 ай бұрын

This is the way. Never lend more then you would spend on a decent meal a because food is 99% of the time the only good reason to lend money to a stranger.

@slowery43 5 ай бұрын

Wow that is so not even a little interesting... this isn't about you we truly couldn't care any less

@mrvea87 5 ай бұрын

🧢

@VNeto94 5 ай бұрын

@@slowery43 You missed the point.

@MikeySmithJones 5 ай бұрын

After the Jungleman story I lost a LOT of respect for Dwan.

@veryhuman7472 5 ай бұрын

Remember like 10-15(?) years ago all the memes about Dwan and the triads. I feel like there was some truth to them.

@peterlohnes1 5 ай бұрын

You mean a gambler is a degenerate? Quelle Surprise!

@SLUMSON 5 ай бұрын

Tom still owes me $3.75 for half a sandwich I gave him in 1997.

@TheLeftReallyWeird 5 ай бұрын

Nah, that’s $14.5m with interest because he’s a millionaire.

@SLUMSON 5 ай бұрын

@@TheLeftReallyWeird you damm right

@bestestname6757 5 ай бұрын

You? Yoooo me too.!!! Hahah

@bestestname6757 5 ай бұрын

Yooo me too..!!! Hahaha

@keithmccormack7848 5 ай бұрын

I can't even figure it with the juice

@Professor_Gamble 5 ай бұрын

imagine owing someone money and betting them that you don't owe them money 🤣

@redhatbanditt1181 5 ай бұрын

Infinite money hack

@Wongwongwong10000 5 ай бұрын

Many poker players are scumbags, look at Howard Lederer, Annie Duke, Chris Ferguson, Rafe Furst, Russ Hamilton, Phil Hellmuth some of his sketchy business dealings, Men Nguyen and many more. Erick Lindgren didn’t pay his gambling debts and Brad Yukon Booth didn’t pay back his debts. What this should teach you don’t lend gamblers money or anyone you don’t trust. When it comes to money people get weird.

@untouchable360x 5 ай бұрын

A Dwan never pays his debt.

@thecook238 5 ай бұрын

Some people smelled this on him years ago but couldn't say anything because of the hype. Then he "disappeared" and it was assumed he was making big bucks at high stakes games in Macau. Then suddenly, after being completely uninterested in social media he becomes interested in politics like he's being paid to do it. Then goes silent again. Now it's all finally coming out, bro is deep in debt, can't bluff all your chips away repeatedly and get away with it forever.

@Socom2SoLid 3 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s that. I think him having millions he won legitimately, and plying against billionaires who have questionable backgrounds cost him all the money he had. But I don’t know. No one does except for Tom.

@Bolt24HotSounds 5 ай бұрын

Maybe us low stakers are the happiest after all

@pricillaalvarez732 5 ай бұрын

Phil hellmuth was right about this kid

@DUHPAWZ2579 5 ай бұрын

He’s right about everyone Annie Duke and Howard Lederer

@tom_sha 5 ай бұрын

what did phil hellmuth said about this Kid?

@johnotis2698 5 ай бұрын

@tom_sha he wouldn't stand the test of time and go broke..it was in heads up poker on NBC and the two played a heads up match.

@johnferrara9667 4 ай бұрын

Dwan is playing million dollar games in Macau while hellmuth is buying in short in 100k livestreams while plastering himself in branding

@zwijn 4 ай бұрын

So?@@johnferrara9667

@massivemoon7495 5 ай бұрын

Not everyone is rich like Hellmuth or Ivey ... A lot of these pros who make millions are gamblers, sometimes losing a lot in private cashgames tables

@Imadethistocomment13 5 ай бұрын

Can you imagine somebody owes you a quarter of a million dollars and you watch them on TV blowing it off at the Hustler

@spicoliandreti 3 ай бұрын

If you think Dwan is playing those Hustler games on his own dime I've got a boat to sell you.

@Imadethistocomment13 3 ай бұрын

@@spicoliandreti who's going to bankroll him after knowing how much that he is in?

@spicoliandreti 3 ай бұрын

@@Imadethistocomment13 same people bankrolling him the last decade. Use some reasoning skills.

@Imadethistocomment13 3 ай бұрын

@@spicoliandreti you seem very disrespectful when you talk, not sure why you can't just have a regular conversation without being a douchebag in every sentence

@jeremylangston5422 5 ай бұрын

The amount of People putting their personal shit on social media will always amaze me.

@ZlyBobo 2 ай бұрын

It puzzles me why anyone is willing to lend money to a poker player

@hydraxc2478 5 ай бұрын

I don't understand fully. Without any form of legal contract, various rich people lend him tremendous amounts of money?

@sdickinson5234 5 ай бұрын

They have a legal contract. A handshake agreement is a legal contract. However they have more than that, they have text messages. Tom offered these guys to have a third party arbitrate their claim and they refused because they are lying.

@mystiquesquared 5 ай бұрын

Neither one of these cases sound they involved money changing hands really. The first they have a staking agreement. Tom was supposed to cover half the buys of the series. But before that the other guy plays the series on his own money or perhaps even other staked funds. Afterwards he doesn't do well and then goes to settle up with Tom for his losses. Tom for whatever reason stalls on his but now seems to actually be paying him back. Slowly. The second is some weird sidebet on top the legitimate losses they both sustained with the bookmaker. Who knows what the side bet is. Neither party is saying.

@utterlyrelaxed9109 5 ай бұрын

That's how it works between these people

@xxxxxx-zy9lu 4 ай бұрын

@@sdickinson5234if it's a legal contract, why is it being resolved on social media rather than in court?

@johnnguyen6469 5 ай бұрын

There was a rumor that he was a slave for the triads in Macau for a while

@jerkwagon 5 ай бұрын

yeah, i think he bit off more than he could chew but Paul really liked him and helped him out..

@daveb2280 5 ай бұрын

Yep! I heard that too. To be fair, Dwan was very sexy in his younger years and I still think he is sexy for his age. I've also heard other rumors through the Gay Mafia that Dwan was getting paid very large sums of money for sexual favors by some very rich and exclusive clients.

@USMCLib3rty 5 ай бұрын

@@daveb2280cmon now 😂😂😂

@DavidL1986 5 ай бұрын

wonder if he won the money back or just got majorly in trouble

@zfeazcesd1047 5 ай бұрын

he did look quite supple in his youth

@veganbutcherhackepeter 5 ай бұрын

Professional gamblers are really sad figures.

@TraumaER 5 ай бұрын

The ones everyone makes fun of like Hellmuth are the only decent ones in the green.

@andrewbowen6875 5 ай бұрын

Really sad figures.

@apathetickid9745 5 ай бұрын

@@TraumaER I figured phil hellmuth like 6 years ago. That he was one of the few that is actually making money and in the green. Sad to see how people are so naive not to see it.

@TraumaER 5 ай бұрын

@@apathetickid9745agree. All the other ones for the most part from HSP have negative net worth.

@robotube7361 4 ай бұрын

@@apathetickid9745 Yeah Phil helmuth is careful and cautious af. Also he plays small buy ins never splashes chips like a maniac plays very conservatively and rarely bluffs. He doesnt gamble by participating in games he doesnt understand like horse or dog racing like degenerates like Dwan and Ungar did. Him, Phil Ivey and Dnegs are one of the rare ones that stood the test of time. I think flashy bluffers like Dwan Gus Hansen Isildur1 always end up bust at the end of the day. Im not a pro just a play money and small cash play but Ive notice this trend of LAG player types getting bust at the end while nitty grinders always have positive long term EV.

@THEonionsack 5 ай бұрын

You lend money to anyone = dumb. You lend money to a gambler = 🤣🤣🤣

@RacerX1971 5 ай бұрын

Rule #1..never lend people money, specially gamblers..

@user-fb9yt8uy6h 5 ай бұрын

He would be run out of the Poker scene just like everyone else that cheated or stole money. Dwan is still invited to big games and nobody bothers him during tournaments. He won almost 5 million on HCL alone. This is the problem with doing things with a handshake with shady people

@user-gx2yy1df6f 5 ай бұрын

That's why i would never be staked, i'd hate to owe people money and not be able to pay it back,

@Justdont693 5 ай бұрын

Well I don’t know if staking is always a loan. Meaning. There’s a website you can stake WSOP players. But only if they place in a payout position do you get paid. It’s if they win you get x% on your gamble.

@user-mf2fd6dq8x 5 ай бұрын

Staking isn't Borrowing.

@user-gx2yy1df6f 5 ай бұрын

either way , i'd feel terrible not being able to pay it back, i'd rather lose my own money, but people are different, that's just me . @@user-mf2fd6dq8x

@MisterMaster4life 5 ай бұрын

You only pay if you win. So unless you're a greedy thief, paying their share of your wins is easy.

@slowery43 5 ай бұрын

you would never be staked because you suck at poker

@MarcusDickeyPoker 5 ай бұрын

Not paying back your debts is just shittty.

@robotube7361 4 ай бұрын

You know what is even more shittier? Lending money to people without binding them to a legal contract. I think Dwan is just abusing his privileges but not having to pay these idiots a cent. Not his fault they got greedy lending him money. They didnt do it to help a dear old friend. They did it to make money out of him. I hold money lenders responsible not those who loan money when there is no legal agreement between the parties. Note to all the idiots out there. Always go to a fucking lawyer before you lend somoene money if you dont have the muscle or the means to collect u idiots.

@Agirmetal 5 ай бұрын

I would never trust a pro poker player

@slowery43 5 ай бұрын

you would never have any money to loan a poker pro so it is a moot point

@miramichi30 5 ай бұрын

Poker is just like everywhere else. There's a mix of stand up guys and snakes that will stab you in the back to get ahead.

@CarstenNRW 5 ай бұрын

I would give Negreanu some because I know he can get a lot from marketing deals to pay me back but that's pretty much the only one. Maybe Ivey but I think not even him

@iiMaGinENation 5 ай бұрын

He was actually cheated out of almost a hundred million dollars playing against triads in private games. He couldn't pay back and he couldn't accuse them of cheating or there'd be consequences so they owned him for a while until he made them almost 3 times what he owed in other private games in macau against people you'd be surprised to hear about. That's when you started seeing him back in triton 1m cash game. He's still deeply in debt but now his winnings are mostly his to keep and pay back to other debtors but his margins are slim hence the ghosting and shit. He also can't talk about why he cant just pay everyone back because his life would be in danger. Dwan was a talented poker prodigy who kept pushing and pushing up the stakes until the highest he could find were playing with criminals. His ego made him believe he can just do what he had been doing to reach that point but there was no winning against them, no matter how good you are.

@fourvetperrie457 5 ай бұрын

Scammer..he is probably owned by an asian business cuz he owes so much Then again 99% of poker players are scumbags or pretending not to be 1

@MeatShank 5 ай бұрын

Wow. 99%? Is that all? 😂

@Gopstop222 5 ай бұрын

not rue at all you just coping lmao

@fourvetperrie457 5 ай бұрын

@MeatShank it's pretty accurate. It's a game of deception what do u think that is = scumbaggery

@fourvetperrie457 5 ай бұрын

@@Gopstop222 it's true

@robotube7361 4 ай бұрын

If 99% of poker players were scumbags there would be stories like this all the time. Sadly there are very few in between. There are scammers in poker as much as there are scammers in every other profession. Its just a rule of thumb. Wherever there is money- there are angle shooters. Always has been the case

@happypill6195 5 ай бұрын

thans for the video i was waiting on your opinion on the subject

@Xrobberyx 5 ай бұрын

Tom s face aged like milk

@jerryglenn7323 4 ай бұрын

Great poker players don't owe money to everyone. Stu Unger for all his talent, was a loser in life. Dwan was this great player. Only score in poker is cash. Doyle Brunson didn't play reckless. He worked his money. Because that is the score.

@MrPatrick260 5 ай бұрын

I gave Tom Dwan a plate of corn muffins back in 1947 to paint my chicken coop and he never did it!

@8alltime 5 ай бұрын

I’ve heard those corn muffins were lousy.

@irishman6517 5 ай бұрын

Tom owes me €29.99 for the sunglasses he borrowed from me in Ireland,never seen them or him again

@drummboi21 5 ай бұрын

Lies, nobody in Ireland needs sunglasses

@pillwolak 5 ай бұрын

Tom Dwan sold me fentynal in Vegas

@user-gx2yy1df6f 5 ай бұрын

What does jetten mean " he TOOK action ? i'm kinda new to poker and am trying to learn these terms, he accepted a loan ?

@krs-fltutorials4487 5 ай бұрын

You give them some of their buy in, and you split the profits if Dwan wins. If not, you're money is gone.

@ekia3056 5 ай бұрын

tom bought piece of jettens tournament buy in but never actually paid for that piece..

@user-gx2yy1df6f 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate you getting back, but i'm still not clear, lets say jetten paid $10,000 to enter a tourny, so tom would say for instance, " ill pay for a thousand of that"? but then never paid him? @@ekia3056

@DonLee1980 5 ай бұрын

thinking that a gambler will pay back his debts by gambling more, is hilarious.

@Dude-etiquette 5 ай бұрын

Definitely scammer, but that’s what you get in poker

@anatolytsinker5317 5 ай бұрын

who lends someone that kinda money without a contract. lmfao

@hydraxc2478 5 ай бұрын

Honestly, I just made a similar comment.

@rustyshackleford11 5 ай бұрын

High roller poker players

@justjim9723 5 ай бұрын

so he cant/wont pay his debts does that mean hes broke? or just being a douche bag?

@luisreinesch9865 5 ай бұрын

he definetely is not broke

@richweaver2400 20 күн бұрын

I don’t get it?? Durrr is supposedly one of the best poker players in the world? How does he owe so many people big money?? He must spend his cash on other gambling games or something like that to owe so many so much?? I don’t know who to believe to be honest. That said, if he owes even some of this, people should be very careful to get into anything financial with Tom. If someone is going to invest or whatever, it’s seems, well, ill-advised to do anything with so much questionable things swirling. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire? I enjoy watching him play and hope all this is crap but with so many complaining, buyer beware entering into anything w him for now is just not smart??

@VenomousStare 5 ай бұрын

Durrr owes me $20 from a SC2 coaching session from 2013

@antzooma 5 ай бұрын

'He paid me 100k 2 days ago' 'Sounds like he's paying'

@nfc14g 5 ай бұрын

We need to know about the China thing, I guess being there was why he didn't have access to Twitter?

@Jam-r7v Ай бұрын

Hes a victim of gambling and has got in over his head due to addiction.

@Deeperharderfaster 5 ай бұрын

So basically Dwan is asking them to show proof of debt and they don't do that? And he's the problem?

@OhNiceMatt 5 ай бұрын

Tom still owes me $28 for a Pizza. He told me to Send him my Venmo, and then he sent an email back with the numbers 2 & 8 in the email.

@DavidL1986 5 ай бұрын

still interested to know how he got beat so badly by Isildur. Yet every time you see him on tv he seems to be winning, even now

@MrKydaman 5 ай бұрын

Isildur outDurrred Durrr 😂

@adammeyer347128 5 ай бұрын

I have never understood why these supposedly wealthy people have others “buying action” from them. Wouldnt you want to keep your winnings instead of having to cut someone in? And likewise, wouldn’t you rather pay your own way and not have to rely on someone else to do the right thing?

@KingKuba1313 5 ай бұрын

You don't get it

@FloydMaxwell 4 ай бұрын

and then there's straight up Darvin Moon, who dies young. Life is not fair.

@anitaesmas7709 5 ай бұрын

All the people who want to destroy the popularity of tom dwan,all of you ,you cannot succeed.tom dwan is very kind person.

@dlove2830 5 ай бұрын

I would sell that debt to the cartel 40 cents on the dollar...and let them handle it.

@ltisenotem 5 ай бұрын

"Or a victim".. that's a new one lol

@naswiipp 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always. Seems like Jetten is only considered a "high stakes pro" is durrrr put him in action.

@user-gx2yy1df6f 5 ай бұрын

um huh ?

@leonardjulius6098 5 ай бұрын

@@user-gx2yy1df6fdurrrr out him in action

@playinragz8183 4 ай бұрын

Years ago talking was done in person! People are stupid for talking online. Dude owes me money I see him face to face and $100k is enough for a $500 flight anywhere to speak in person! Wake up

@tyleryoung2348 5 ай бұрын

Tom still owes me $100 since 2008 when we were partying in a nightclub

@dtownlove10 5 ай бұрын

Arent all these guys professional grifters?

@DUHPAWZ2579 5 ай бұрын

Anyone who owes people money and doesn’t pay is a scumbag nobody would like that done to them

@snipemares 5 ай бұрын

Tom dwan still owes me from the million dollar game on hcl I staked him and he hasn’t responded to me or anything

@lisasou7078 5 ай бұрын

Dwan seems like a reckless poker player I'm not surprised he's owed people money.

@NPD2024 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a malignant narcissist or sociopath?

@raoulmcwenna6499 5 ай бұрын

agree to narcissist. Sociopath could be, maybe he is getting off ripping other people off. i would say pathological liar for sure.

@NPD2024 5 ай бұрын

@@raoulmcwenna6499 pathological lying, manipulation, and entitlement go hand in hand with cluster b-malignant narcissism and sociopathy.

@what1111000 5 ай бұрын

Newsflash: usury is not part of poker.

@epauloconnor 5 ай бұрын

Tom Dwan is absurd to think that Haralabos wasn't "being fair"... just pay your fucking debts. Stop using excuses and delay tactics to never pay it back... trying to weasel your way out of paying your debts!

@mjphoto45 5 ай бұрын

He owes millions. Surprised he still can walk

@smith077906 5 ай бұрын

If you want to lose friends lend money.

@LumieX 5 ай бұрын

Can someone explain to me how taxes would work with bearding sports bets? Wouldn't Tom have to pay all of the taxes for everyone he is bearding for?

@wavell14 4 ай бұрын

No taxes on bets in some countries, UK for example

@marce4241 4 ай бұрын

Tom is downnnnnnnn bad, i have no debts and im suddenly happy about that

@learn2letgooo 5 ай бұрын

Yeah ma.imagine u spot right beside the guy that owes you money, then u see him scoop a 3 million pot and just not even pay u a little back. That's crazy

@EnglishA2Z661 5 ай бұрын

He probably gave so much money away. Hes simply a legend.

@TacoGrande007 2 ай бұрын

Tom Dwan is best Romulan Poker player.

@sleong 5 ай бұрын

Dwan's a scammer. Guy LIES for a living(poker) so why not do it off the table.

@LumieX 5 ай бұрын

Lol poker isn't about lying really. There's far more to poker than bluffing and bluffing isn't necessarily the same as lying.

@JohnnyAppleseed-yl6fo 5 ай бұрын

It's time for these guys to hire someone, and I don't mean a lawyer.

@ChrisSuswal-de9tj 5 ай бұрын

Like a who-arrr? Sopranos style? These guys need to get laid. Too much gambling

@perplexed76 5 ай бұрын

You borrow their money and have to give back yours. I understand Tom.

@monsterstackwizard9313 5 ай бұрын

The real question is: Who the fuck cares?

@ghostbr9136 4 ай бұрын

that is the guy who owe me 5K$ 😮😮😮

@Ret_Lineman 26 күн бұрын

After living in this life for 20 yrs I left poker and all the people around it behind. These people are all degenerate gamblers ,most come from backgrounds like mine Dad owned a bar I hung out at the pool room down the street from 14 to 35 then moved into the poker rooms when casinos opened in 92. 1 thing is for sure these people are all less than ethical and most have little integrity. My life is so much better not being around poker players and pool players anymore

@jeremyrogers6179 5 ай бұрын

Cough up the cake, Dwan! 😠

@branchtana315 5 ай бұрын

Oh that's cute. Jungleman publicly supported Dwan probably with hopes it would put him at the top of the list to get paid back. 😂

@dariusk.4493 5 ай бұрын

Total scammer. I know one individual in TX that he still owes hundreds of thousands to.

@anitaesmas7709 5 ай бұрын

Tom dwan is a victim.tom dwan is my favorite poker player and i believe he is innocent.

@cheyjay2734 5 ай бұрын

Don’t “loan” gamblers a huge some of money…

@dylanthomas2288 5 ай бұрын

Why not just sue him.

@marce4241 4 ай бұрын

Not even watcing, jungle dillemma said it all.

@Iwas20in2000 5 ай бұрын

the nicest persons are the worse player. -the rounders

@beatingu8347 5 ай бұрын

Why is EVERYONE saying Dwan owes them money? Just a big coincidence I guess.😂

@TraumaER 5 ай бұрын

Because he borrows because he’s not as good long term in poker as advertised.

@metsrus 5 ай бұрын

Not sure why that weasle Doug Polk got involved by adding fuel to the fire. Does Tom owe him any money. Hate people like that.

@playstationboer-xp6lp 4 ай бұрын

All you poker wannabes really should consider your priorities. Poker is become unbeatable. I can tell, i was like you.

@mikebelnap3079 5 ай бұрын

Every other week we hear this stories how scummy the top pros are……duh they’re the best a deception yet they expect fairness when they deal with them 😂😂😂😂

@brilliantbeaches5389 5 ай бұрын

Tom is an addict, just like 99,9% of poker players. Don't play poker

@Bhodisatvas 5 ай бұрын

At the heart of every successful poker player is a degen waiting to surface. Buying and selling action will always cause issues.

@KinderColby 5 ай бұрын

Tom is a broke Degen. Whataburger Is hiring!!!

@nytobake3543 5 ай бұрын

Stop it…those leaches want to get more money from dwan after taking the adequate amounts from him. Stop it. Dwan doesn’t play anymore for himself. He hasn’t done that in 15 years constantly stressing constantly tested constantly broke. Let him be. He is a poor soul 😢

@Vitoandolini13 5 ай бұрын

friends or acquaintances nor should one lend out money and find themselves in debt to another person. He’s the The Trump of poker

@user-bb2px8ng1y 5 ай бұрын

Sad to see. Used to hang out with Tom and some other Pro's. Always thought he was one of the few stand up individuals.

@TraumaER 5 ай бұрын

Yeah sure. Dude looked like a punk since his TV debut during the early 2000s.

@johndicarlo225 5 ай бұрын

I thought he was a good actor with Laak. Maybe he needs to follow in Phils footsteps with the Acting $

@user-nu7lg5yx9j 5 ай бұрын

to all whom I owe, I forgive everyone

@AnthonyWilliams-ew3wp 5 ай бұрын

Why would anyone become involved with him financially?

@beastcraw 4 ай бұрын

Two syllables

@MB-vk8cv 5 ай бұрын

What is Pay in "Jeju"

@stephenpospishil951 5 ай бұрын

Jeju is the location for the next big Triton tournament, Jeju is an island off of South Korea

@MB-vk8cv 5 ай бұрын

@stephenpospishil951 ok thx, I knew it was an island in Korea I just didn't know there was a tournament there.

@DrifterSpirit9 5 ай бұрын

Egocentric people won't last in poker and Tom really liked to show how much of a wise guy he is...short version of the story

@agent7574 4 ай бұрын

Birdy told me he owes the Chinese mobb millions... heard they own him

@kendyjapri1559 5 ай бұрын

I know tom is a bastard, you can see how he thread dougpolk on hcl games. 1 hand took 20-30 insane. And just because doug call time for him before.

@robbase275 5 ай бұрын

You should never stake poker player because if it was that guaranteed they would use there own money

@terrymiller111 2 ай бұрын

Romulan-lookin' degen owes everyone.

@antzooma 5 ай бұрын

I hate how you pronounce Jungleman like his actual name is Dan Jungleman or somethin