Forest battle is the greatest fight in the franchise change my mind

20:27 the twins were actually not intended to be racist stereotypes, the voice actors and writers intended them to be wannabe ganster stereotypes. They were actually surprised to see people thought that way Edit: rotf handled the death of Optimus better than the original 86 movie

Fun fact: During the final battle where the fallen teleported to a group of soldiers, if you look closely to the bottom left, you could get a full view of a guy getting decapitated, like his head straight up went flying, fully on screen.

I love these videos, cause they make me feel less delusional for really liking these movies. They're not perfect, but there's so much good and fun about them, that I can't help adoring them, and it's just nice to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Keep it up. I can't wait for DOTM (my personal favourite).

As a kid, this movie was the one I grew up with. I loved seeing Optimus being so cool and I loved the fight scenes. When Optimus died, I was probably scarred. I still love this movie regardless.

Revenge of the Fallen is my third favourite in the Bayformers franchise, sure it has its problems, but the problems never bothered me too much as it's under the shadow of the epic action the film offers

Revenge of the Fallen is my most rewatched film ever, this was the first transformers film i've watched when i was a kid and by the time i've seen it on theaters, i was so hooked; that when the blu-ray came out I rewatched the heck out of it! But that caused the disc to render uplayable...But that didn't stop me from watching it atleast a few more times up till today, although it is the most rewatched movie in my life its not my favorite in the series (That goes to dark of the moon) but its where my passion for the transformers started, and I cant deny how the franchise inspired my own artistic works to this day.

I just watched it, and hownstly it surprised me how much I enjoyed it. The theme of Sam and his parents coming to terms with him being his own man was really well done honestly, and that moment where his dad is begging they all go together almost made me cry. There are some flaws within the editing, writing, and what not, but it was a really fun ride that me and my wife enjoyed after getting high. Glad to see I’m not the only one who likes it

I never understood the criticisms of Optimus killing his enemies.. I mean yeah, he wasn't doing it in the cartoons but that's kind of the point, the movies aren't cartoons. They obviously went for a bit of a darker tone. Another detail that people seem to forget is that the Autobots are FIGHTING A WAR! A brutal war that lasted for eons and destroyed their planet, I think it's a bit too late to take POW's. 😂 I know it's weird to see a childhood character cross that line but, there's logic to it. Not every character needs to be Batman.

15:00 I agree with you so much. I love them!!! The most funny parents in any movie ever. The interactions between the parents and Sam are golden!

My personal headcanon is that Optimus's 'give me your face line' and exceptional brutality at the end is the remnants of Jetfire's personality mixing with Optimus's whilest he's merged with him

The first two is something special. Definitely a perfect nostalgia of the mid-late 2000’s.

Jetfire is also awesome because he’s the Blackbird. One of the most gorgeous planes ever created that still holds records to this day. I loved the Blackbird as a kid so seeing it in this movie was great and that he was a transformer.

I always loved how, when Bee pisses on Alice, Sam just watches at first, thinking "Wait, it that...?" Then remembers Bee pissing on Simmons and goes "Ouh, OUH!!!! WOOOOAH!"

Fun fact I live near the place they filmed for Shanghai. Was really cool to see the nest actors going thru the scenes while going to school as a kid

Btw the satellite that Soundwave taps into is the Nest satellite they are using to have their little video conference with the generals.

I can't honestly say I agree with EVERY part of this defense, I'm not sure I'd even say that there's more good than bad to this movie in particular, but I do 100% agree that all these movies have a lot more good qualities than most people acknowledge, and it's great to see someone pointing some of those out instead just jumping on the "I hate Bayformers" bandwagon like most people seem to. Looking forward to the Dark of the Moon video! 👍

I love the twins and found them to be the funniest part of the movie

This is actually the first transformers movie I’ve seen in theaters and I was so hyped when optimus got his wings

Sad to see the dark of the moon video taken down again. KZfaq really be doin the most.. smh.

Gotta tell ya. I love this style of video. I have watched endless amount of movie analysis videos and the long videos (long meaning like an hour long or more) are my favorite without a doubt. Great format, love the little edits adding in little scenes to help complete you’re point is amazing. Just brings it all together, makes it more engaging. Love it, keep it up. Can’t wait for you’re new videos.

The sixth blip was actually Grindor. Which apparently was Blackout from TF ‘07. Apparently he was close enough to the shard blast to be revived.

I love the Constructicons and Devastator’s design in this film. The entire combine scene still holds up spectacularly to this day, beats out just about anything today CGI wise. Only imagine if it came out nowadays.

Its very cool to see someone not only really like this movie, but also have so much to say about it! I did a review/retrospective on it a few months ago and it came out just under an hour! Very cool to see others have a lot to say about this movie with most of it being positive. I wholeheartedly believe that it is underrated, it may be the weakest movie of the first 3 Bay movies but it is my personal favorite. I agree with much of what you said about the film and enjoyed your thoughts on certain things. Its nice to see someone else think that Optimus wasn't unjustified in killing Demolishor, he wasn't innocent in any way, I'm glad someone else called out how great the scene is with Sam telling his parents to get out of the battle. Plus pointing out the very apparent themes, Sam's story, finally someone else gets the "robot heaven" scene, etc. Excellent stuff! The only thing that I'd disagree with is the Twins, they made me laugh, that "its supposed to hurt, its an ass kickin'!" bit always gets me, and I honestly don't see them as racist. But still great video! I enjoyed your video on the first movie and really enjoyed this one! Looking forward to Dark of the Moon, I love that movie, and honestly I know you don't really like it but I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on Age of Extinction. I never disliked it, but my opinion on it has gone way up since first seeing it in 2014 and I honestly think it does a good job following up on DOTM.

Definitely. I rewatched it last year expecting to view it differently since I hadn’t seen it in like 4 years but- no. I laughed out loud several times during it and really enjoyed my viewing of it I loved it as much as when I was little. I guess for some people others just can’t ruin your enjoyment of certain things

Underrated? No Overhated? Yes

Greatest moment in history is when Megatron smacks Starscream over the back of the head with Starscream’s own severed arm

Thank you so much! I already loved it for the spectacle it is, but some of the themes you mentioned are really solid and so many things are set up and paid off. To me its the second best movie of the trilogy, dotm is the worst because the style was lost.

And thank you for addressing the "Transformers Heaven" scene. I always understood it as The Matrix wasn't destroyed....it only "transformed" into ashes...cause you can't FIND the matrix of leadership...you have to earn it....

I mean other than the humans scenes other than nest I think this movie is golden. They really under utilize a lot of Autobots like Sideswipe, Arcee, Chromia, Elita one, Jolt, Ironhide, and Ratchet. I know the last 2 were in the last movie but they were just shoved out of the way just for Skids and Mudflap which I think were ok. The opening of the movie was also badass but I wished we could've seen some more of these missions because it was amazing. Overall I enjoyed this movie just like you just wishing there was less human screen time.

I appreciate this video. Being honest about what you like. I loved these movies as a kid but as i got older and got more exposure to the wider internet opinions I think i became more insecure about the things i like outside of the moment. Either because its big and dumb or "for kids" transformers, godzilla, some superheroes, powerpuff girls, ect. There are so many movies i haven't seen in a long time and even more that I havent seen yet but want to. I chocked this up to losing attention span from playing videogames as my main entertainment. However now i believe its insecurity about just owning what i like, like my opinion just doesn't matter. That or somehow being afraid of discovering new things i like outside of my current bubble of childhood favorites. Keep being honest i admire that. It's nice to see someone be unapologetic about the things they love and just own it.

I agree with your perspective. Personally, I acknowledge all of the flaws in this movie, but I still think there were a lot of good qualities to it.

I believe it had potential out of all of the films in the original series, if you look into it deeply: The decepticons are leaderless, Megatron is dead, and this could explore a more depth-like story of how they fall apart easily without Megatron holstering the faction. This is shown somewhat when the decepticons: Demolisher and Sideways don't even bother trying to kill their enemies the autobots and try to escape. Starscream is considered the most chosen subordinate, as the Fallen is inactive, via chair, Soundwave, while considered Megatron's close ally in some situations, is also inactive as he is busy learning of the location the allspark shard or Machine. This could've been a good chance to explore on how Starscream could've tried to become the leader, proving his worth to the Fallen that he could take down Prime, and rule earth, without Megatron. The new autobots are on earth have trouble bonding with humans. No allspark and no means of returning to cybertron, they must learn how to live on this new world and some could consider it an ultimatium or terrible to live on, while Prime is having trouble to get these new autobots into the motion as well. Replace, Sideswipe and Arcee instead of Skids and Mudflap and you'd have a more dynamic story with them and Bumblebee and the humans. More of the transformers' origins could've been explored somewhat, including their biology and transformation abilities, since they introduced Devastator and Alice, and Seekers, different transformers with rare abilities and techniques. There could've been a thing where perhaps instead of the Great Machine that blows up suns, instead be a planet drain machine, like doing a galactus type of thing, that would make more sense than too add solar system and universal consequences(I guess solar), instead of having the matrix by the key to the machine, it could still be connect to the Allspark like in the original idea for the film, where the remaining shards could be use to reactivate since the matrix was destroyed. All of this or half of it in my opinion could've worked into a better sequel, that and hiring a better direction, I also think Bay should've just waited for the writers strike to end.

I really liked this film but they missed an opportunity to have mudflap and skids combine into a rail gun to bring down devastator in the 3rd act. It would have at least justified them being there and followed the combiner theme of the film with the twins already established, with the contructicons, and with optimus and jetfire. Forest battle is goated though and the action is overall great in this film and an overall step up from the first action wise from the transformers I would argue. Also, I still really enjoyed the final fight. We should have seen more of the fallens strength against optimus, but it was satisfying to see his finish and crippling megatron.

I love this whole series, even AOE and TLK while they are the worst I still love watching them. Rotf is one of my favorite even if it only beats those two movies it doesn’t mean there isn’t a jump in quality between them and this though in my personal opinion

When Lennox says "Arcee twins heading your way" I think he actually meant "Arcee's and twins" referring to Skids and Mudflap, that line confused me for the longest time 😂

FINALLY MY VIEWS OF THIS FILM ARE VALIDATED!!! Rotf is a absolutely fun movie and I’m tired of pretending it’s not, lowkey little me thought this and the rest of the trilogy were PEAK cinema. Still hold to that somewhat, great work in these vids tho it’s nice to see a more positive light on these films

Yeah I'm happy I'm not alone in thinking that this film isn't as bad as people say it is. Don't get me wrong, I think it's really flawed and the writer's strike's impact cannot be ignored here. But in my personal opinion, we were given the shell of what could have been peak fiction. Luckily, that shell was surprisingly not bad thanks to Michael Bay's direction, Steve Jablonsky's score, the great VFX work and how good the actors are.

7:46 always bothered me how they got the little details wrong with Lennox and his team in the first three movies. The first movie refers to Lennox’s team as a special ops team and they all wear the patch of Special Operations Command Central (SOCCENT), but during the Hoover Dam scene we see that their beret colors are black with the DOD blue flash and a US Army Special Operations Command insignia. That is wrong, the beret color would signify his team being armored or infantry, while the wikipedia states they are Rangers (not all of them are Ranger qualified and if that was the case their beret color would be tan). Special ops soldiers could still work with black beret if their Armor/Infantry but they should have the red and black beret flash to signify USASOC. None of them wear any airborne wings, and a couple only have Ranger tabs which it is possible for non-airborne qualified soldiers. But the No jump wings, mismatched beret and flash, no qualification tabs. The last knight screws this up even worse, during the negation scene Lennox is back with the Green Beret and the corresponding Special Forces Tab plus the proper beret flash of USASOC. This would be fine except his left shoulder has the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia is of the 1st Special Forces Command, which has a different colored flash than the red/black USASOC flash. He’s also wearing no Combat Infantryman Badge, he’s seen combat in every movie he was in 😂 and there’s still no jump wings. No way you’re going through Ranger and Special Forces qualification while not being airborne qualified, no way. This was definitely an oversight as Robert Epps’ uniform isn’t as inaccurate, he’s a combat controller with the scarlet beret, he has the jump and combat dive badges which Lennox should also have, and in the first film during the Hoover Dam scene he’s with the Air Force’s M81 uniforms and he had the right AFSOC and Air Force squadron patches.

I don’t understand people that hate on these movies. Michael bay gets critizizm for the humor and the jokes, but for me michael bay’s humor makes everything feel more real. PS best joke in the coming from those to frat guys at the party, there isn’t a tighter shirt we checked, then Leo comes out confused like, you have a ride. Pure adhd humor fantastic, you can just feel the frustration in Sams mind when all the problems just builds up in his mind😂😂

I enjoyed watching this video. You've made many points, and I can say that now I don't hate it as I used to. Though, this isn't by any means some hidden gem; there are still many criticisms about it. While I can understand that some circumstances led to the movie falling behind, I didnt like many things about it(some of which you pointed out yourself) Aside from that, I'm glad that I stumbled across your channel. Nice work so far

Great video again John!!!! cant wait to see part 3. ALSO i hope your channel grows, you are really talented!

Out of all the films, I still think ROTF has the best hand to hand fight scenes out of all the movies. No shaky cam, no random people with guns shooting, just pure on robot on roboy carnage.

Finally.. some positivity on this movie. THANK YOU. I've always LOVED this movie

I loved the original Bay trilogy, and I genuinely think they are actually good films. I might make a video on it tbh

The problem with TF movie, is that 70% contains useless dialogues between humans, 10% contains interesting battles, 10% contains transformers, 5% contains character devellopement, 3% lore and 2% originality.

the deceptions send Soundwave who sends ravage who sends metal balls to KILL PADME

I gotta say the cemetery scene that was like the uncle Ben and Peter Parker scene. A father figure and some what if a son who become distant and argue but Sam atleast apologized before he f died and revived.

In regards to Prime leaving Megatron alive at the end, I'm like 99.999% sure he thought that killed him. 😂😂😂

always loved the bayverse tranformers as i grew up with them 1-3 still watched the later ones but like them less so glad someone did a lenghty review and anxiously awaiting for the dark of the moon as its my favorite got my subscribe and like,one thing that always got me is the size diffrence between the fallen first arival scene and later on during the fight but oh well and the fight against the fallen and prime like you said but one of my favorite parts is the tranformation of devastator

Personally, I get Skids & Mudflap are annoying, but I do not really agree on them being racist. Since I believe when they landed on Earth or before on Cybertron, they were learning the human language & felt really bonded with The Gansta rap music genre & took that as their personality. Although at the same time, I won't shame anyone who thinks they're racist, I just wanted to try & explain why their voice is so... Stereotypical?

It’s a great movie. I mean what else did they expect from film about Alien Robots fighting on Earth? They are all ridiculous but that’s the appeal. Great video!

I wonder what the movie would’ve been like if the 2009 writers strike didn’t happen would the movie be well received

Bro you make some really good videos that are very informative and have facts based off factual evidence. You’ll make it far bro

11:07 I always hated how they did Sideways dirty because he's a much bigger deal in his original appearance. He was essentially the Silver Surfer to Unicron's Galactus. I wish they would have just named him something else in RotF, but them's the breaks.

50:54 Oh yeah I forgot about that! Rodimus Prime did that in G1, Friggin flatlined himself. Also don't forget he also got allspark magic in his brain too

The Blue Arcee is Chromia. She was seen in G1 with Elita-1 & other female Autobots. She is basically a female version of Ironhide. The Twins, around that time, I prefer the Constructicons from Animated, than those 2 rip offs of Timon & Pumba. Also, the video game adaptation of the movie is better than the movie itself. The Final Battle between Optimus & The Fallen is better & longer.

I honestly don't know why people hate this one so much, this is the one i like the most out of all of them

There have been multiple characters named skids over the years . A pacifist who’d rather abandon the autobots to live a life of peace while daydreaming all day and studying life on earth but he still aids in the fight out of a sense of responsibility . A racing addict . A generic decepticon . A super learner who can learn and master new skills really really fast There have also been multiple characters named mudflap over the years . A fighting champion with anger issues. After feeling under appreciated by the bots he joins the cons. After a long while the decepticons (surprise surprise) prove untrustworthy he realizes the full implications of his actions and is unable to cope with everything he’s done. To his everlasting shock and confusion the autobots invite him back. . A decepticon who wants to switch sides but doesn’t because he fears his reputation will precede him . A criminal using the alias sawtooth for some reason . A mercenary Just letting you know just how hard bay dropped the ball on these guys

One, your videos are great so heres a new subscriber. Two, as far as how the destruction may have been covered up in the opening scene. I think its just China, they censor everything so possibly no one was able to upload anything.

The Pyramid things is interesting bc I’m ROTB, Elena asks Primal if the Maximals helped build pyramids and such and he says no and explains that humans are talented and strong beings that create such beautiful things and it really shows that they deserve more credit. And man, I LOVED that so much bc a lot of indigenous cultures are doubted for their creativity and building and strength bc of- let’s he honest here- racism. It’s so bad that ppl claim ALIENS of all things built them. Why would they do that? Who knows!

you have a new sub now, ROTF is the best TF movie (in my opinion)

I think the line “arcee twins target coming your way” was supposed to be said “arcee! Twins! Target coming your way” because in the comic/s it’s explained that it’s literally just arcee being able to control the other two corpses lmao and the hillbilly twins were with her

Opening Optimus entrance to the movie, which they airdrop Optimus is literally the coolest thing ever!!!! Also The Forest battle is Amazing

As much as people like to shit on this movie and the others, I still found them to be generally entertaining to watch. Even this movie, I had a blast watching it in theatres. Sure there were moments that I cringed at or could have been cut or tones down. But in all honesty, I still enjoy this movie

These reviews have been super great to watch. Since I did too grow up with Bayformers and gotten my fair share of hate and criticism for liking them. Revenge of the Fallen came out when I was at my height of Bayformers popularity from the video game, toys a backpack, and saw it day one. I never hated this movie. I found it quite fun. Seeing it in 2024, there are definitely outdated aspects, but it's still solid. Fantastic review doing this movie justice. Also skids and mudflap, worst bayformers duo period.

Did I forget to mention Wheelie is really funny and yes I know, he has an ugly design but I love his facial expression when he is happy, sad, and angry. Also they had the professional voice actor, Tom Kenny, the voice for Spongebob Squarepants makes it more funny. I never thought I heard the day Spongebob or Spongebob voice actor actually can said some curse words when he is voicing Wheelie for this movie.

the 2007 and ROTF was for me peak cinema back then cause i was little kid and i didn't pay much attetion to the story so i saw ROTF as the better one there are many scenes that are amazingly done and then there is the story which is mess and doesn't make much sense but as child i just saw bum, blast and sometimes between some plot thing happing but now i know this isn't enough to make good movie but there is one thing that always save for me this movie and that was the characters still all of the main characters are still there and i care for them even the human characters Sam and Mikaela have so well made relationship and there was arc for them to push them to say they love each other and this always work here and i think here their relationship work best and even to this day i like this and is my favorite aspect not only about this movie but even on the first one. yes is kinda funny i care about this thing in movie that is about big gigant robots that transforming into a cars but if is something is well made it deserve praise and this ROTF and 2007 did the best

I'm not a fan of how they wasted the arcee sisters.

Honestly out of the live action TF movies this one is definitely in my top 3

Finnaly someone who doesn't hate Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen

am i the only one that loved the 07 movie and rotf from the beginning? first when i saw them in theaters back in 2007 and 2009 with the toys and the final battles. I just love them.

Bruh.....I love Sam's parents too bro!

short answer, no. the movie had no script, made no sense, awful humor, and as usual focuses on the people too much

Idk if anyone else got an ad right after he says que the scene that made him cheer but that’s was hilarious to me

Under rated? No. Over HATED? Definitely

I love this trilogy and I really love the way you go into detail covering it and doing it so much justice. Salute to you If you wanted I would love to see you cover marvel franchise if you passionate about it aswell.

I am probably the minority but this is my favorite Bayverse movie!

I just want to say that the believed reason that there were 6 signatures was that Blackout was near Megatron and the all sparks revive radius met Blackout and he became Grindor

I loved this movie 🍿 it never gets old, I love doing Stop Motion animation with my Movie & G1 Transformers mainly 🎬📸🎞️‼️

We come from a time where people can be ok with most of the animated Transformers stories but when it comes to live action, people have no forgivness. Cartoons and even the movie messed up alot, but are forgiven. The Bayverse does make sense and even the new movie ROTB can be looked as a prequel. I know there's alot of negativity toward the bayverse. I do theories that explain it and wow I have received some hate just for that.

I agree 100 about the parents.

I love you man, I agree with you on everything related to these movies.

loving these deep dives bro keep it up 🦾🦾🦾

My problem with Alice is that if they can make transformers that can turn into humans, why don't they use that more? Why can't the Decepticons just have one of them transform into President Obama and just be running the entire United States immediately. Seems pretty simple to me.

10:32 He's a P&H Front Shovel Mining Excavator, just to clear that up for you...

I'm so happy and suprised that this movie is more darker and deep than just being a movie about giant robots beating each other. You gave alot of good points for this movie than any other film critics gave nothing bad points after bad points. That is not fair. There are things to like about this movie.

Also to defend Optimus’ brutality: He had to deal with a BILLION MILLENIA WAR. That’s a war that has happened for FAR TOO LONG. I’d be irritable and angry and blood thirsty after awhile!

R.I.P. to your Dark of the Moon video. It was a great analysis just like the other two.

Back in 2017 I wanted to make a video defending the movie I decided not to because people gave their opinions However you definitely don’t hesitate on that and make some good points as I would’ve said

As much as I do really enjoy this movie (for what it is, flaws and all) the thing that’s always annoyed me about it since I was a kid is that the Fallen always insists “only a Prime can kill me.” That to me is just insanity. You’re telling me that if Bumblebee, Ironhide, hell even the twins point a canon point blank at the Fallen’s face and pull the trigger, that the Fallen is just gonna shrug it off cause none of em have the title of Prime? I dunno about that.

Its my favorites best sound track that one line bee said to sam damn i nearly tired up + the death of duh fallen was brilliant along with quantom of solace was also effected by the wrighter strike

FINALLY! Someone else who loves Sam’s parents 😂 they are the highlight of the human storylines

I think this is the major takeaway that many people who criticize the film at face value should at least consider; The Micheal Bay Transformers movies, as dull and dumb as they are, had layers. I was watching the clips of Revenge of the Fallen in this video and I noticed that Jetfire, an ancient transformer from the Fallen's time, uses the exact same design language as the fallen. From the quadropedic feet, to the chicken-legs, to the frilly heads, all of it conveys on a subtextual level that Jetfire is a really, really, really old dude. And can I just go on a side tangent on how EPIC the Fallen is as a villain? I mean, the film obviously guts him every chance it gets, but just the concept of the Fallen, from his selection amidst obscurity to his straight-up outlandish design, its all something that, if it were in any other movie, would earn an Oscar easily. He just exudes a primal, ancient power that you can just feel eminating off of him. Not to mention his impeccable theme by Steve Jablonsky, one of the most fitting character themes of all time. All in all he's a major highlight of this film for me. One of my biggest pet-peeves of the Micheal Bay Transformers films is that they seem to go out of their way to sideline or downplay Megatron a s villain. From his minimal screentime in the first to his humiliation in the subsequent films. That being said, the Fallen is probably the only dude in any of the films who actually has not just the right, but the ability, to cut Megatron down to size.

Transformers 2 (2009) does have a lot of Flaws but this Film Truly is Incredible.

I have litterally never seen anyone complain about sams parents. Even cinemasins had to adress that theire relationship is portrayed pretty realistic

Let's gooooo🎉 Have a nice hour to look forward too

I need a whole movie with sams parents doesnt even have to have transformers lmfoaoo😂

Thank you for doing this special review about the movie

I loved and still love Bayformers 1-4, the bumblee 2018 and Rise of the Beasts!!