Is violent rhetoric to blame for the Trump assassination attempt? | Reason Roundtable

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Is violent rhetoric to blame for the Trump assassination attempt? | Reason Roundtable | July 15 2024

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@reybryant5102 Ай бұрын

Blame? No. Significantly responsible? Yes

@USAFamlo Ай бұрын

These four hesitated to answer whether extreme rhetoric (like calling Trump Hitler, evil, or saying he must be stopped at all costs) "could lead to political violence." They avoided a direct response, fearing it might appear "unlibertarian" regarding free speech. While they are right to champion free speech, acknowledging that certain rhetoric can have consequences isn't a call for regulating speech. It's a moral recognition that inciting fear can lead to violence. This channel often posts videos on "unintended consequences," yet Nick and the team couldn't admit that persistent propaganda can lower barriers to political violence; Antifa anyone?! There is scientific and academic research supporting this, but they failed to address it. Recognizing this doesn't mean advocating for new speech laws. Libertarianism is a great philosophy that I agree with; it provides a valuable framework for understanding the importance of individual liberty, personal responsibility, and limited government. However, philosophy serves as a guidebook, not an answer to all things. While it offers foundational principles, real-world situations often require practical judgment and a willingness to take a stand. Beyond the confines of theoretical discussions, we must recognize when actions and statements cross the line into harmful territory. It is crucial to address these issues, as a culture, not new laws, directly and thoughtfully, ensuring that our adherence to philosophical ideals does not prevent us from confronting the negative consequences of extreme rhetoric or behavior.

@fasthow223 Ай бұрын

TDS'ers gonna TDS

@jinchoung Ай бұрын

right. what I keep wondering at with these guys and the msm is "IF TRUMP IS HITLER..." then WHAT would be OFF THE TABLE? are they advocating that the stance against political violence would and should extend to hitler too? and if not, what are people to take away from the assertion that someone is hitler? or an existential threat to democracy?

@Coconut-219 Ай бұрын

Because 'its socially acceptable if you have a D next to your name'

@JodyBruchon Ай бұрын

*tl;dr: YES. I just spared you an hour of wasted time.* Believe it or not, you can loudly condemn speech without calling for it to be legally regulated.

@smotpoker81 Ай бұрын

i agree with nick that political rhetoric is a free speech issue, and i am 100% for unregulated free speech. but that doesn't mean you are forbidden from privately criticizing idiotic speech while not seeking to abolish it from a legal standpoint. and calling anyone hitler for years and years and holding up severed trump heads, etc., is idiotic. it's the same as people who immediately call "racist!" when they don't have a better argument. that is idiotic speech and we are free to criticize it. the way that vance tweet was worded was probably not ideal, but i think the core message is that the left has used very cheap and unsubstantial rhetoric in avoidance of having a concrete argument.

@chadjones4255 Ай бұрын

By "Hitler", they never meant "national socialist", they always meant "Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

@barrypops7499 Ай бұрын

@@chadjones4255 "The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation, which tended to match the general outlook of collectivism or communitarianism rather than economic socialism." If only you read the history book instead of just gawking over the picture of Hitler on the cover.

@evanwilliams4532 Ай бұрын

Well Hitler was a member of the national socialist german workers party aka nazi, was he not? That was a really cool explanation, not sure of the relevance though@@barrypops7499

@chadjones4255 Ай бұрын

@@barrypops7499 I'm aware of that. Fascism is a heretical branch of the socialist movement. But as a sister movement, it shares the bulk of characteristics. Much like the split between Catholic and Protestant or Sunni and Shi'ah. The distinction is important mainly to the true believers inside the belief system. This is how Hitler, and for that matter Trotsky, can be a "right-wing reactionary" Both believed themselves to be advancing the socialist cause For the rest of us on the outside, the word "socialism" or "fascism" can denote the entire materialistic movement of the Left which seeks to aggregate power by idolizing various nonsensical identities -- sometimes class, sometimes race, sometimes nation. Nowadays those false identities have proliferated but the movement from the outside is still the same genocidal monster.

@jw6588 Ай бұрын

100% agreed.

@liamwinter4512 Ай бұрын

Short answer, yes. Long answer, absolutely yes.

@anaveragehuman2937 Ай бұрын

no one but reason needs an hour to get to "YES"

@nicolelawrence5177 Ай бұрын

😂

@user-hk6tk4ge5t Ай бұрын

Typical libertarians.

@johammy Ай бұрын

Lol.

@johammy Ай бұрын

@@user-hk6tk4ge5t BASED! 😂

@IDontReadReplies42069 Ай бұрын

general leftist rhetoric is to blame, acting like trump is "literally hitler"

@johnwayne4911 Ай бұрын

leftists have rhetoric, Trump has the truth.

@nobodynever7884 Ай бұрын

the only reason this video has no comments is because KZfaq has deleted them all.

@chuckecheese5251 Ай бұрын

When KZfaq or the channel deletes comments it still says the number of comments right now is says 1 just you

@jackjrabbit Ай бұрын

Yes. My comment in regards to the Japanese former prime minister in a country with strict pew pew control has been deleted twice now. I'm not sure which word they're targeting. However it is alarming even though it's a private company.

@richardaraujo3492 Ай бұрын

@@chuckecheese5251mine seems to have disappeared.

@jackjrabbit Ай бұрын

half a dozen of mine that I attempted to post in frustration were deleted. including one talking about switching platforms because of this issue.@@richardaraujo3492

@jackjrabbit Ай бұрын

@@richardaraujo3492 they're being taken down like crazy. including talking about platform switching in regards to this issue.

@DadaPoopoo Ай бұрын

Trump doesn't guide Republican thinking. That's just ignorant. Many of his supporters are very critical of his decisions in some key areas. I promise you.

@jw6588 Ай бұрын

Much more critical than democratic voters appear to be.

@holidayhouse03 Ай бұрын

Might not be everyone’s fault but the blame can be spread far and wide

@jackjrabbit Ай бұрын

Too much KZfaq censorship

@docequis9796 Ай бұрын

Authoritarian leftists: communists, fascists, YT

@google_AI_47 Ай бұрын

Yt is ridiculous rn

@MmeO Ай бұрын

Disappointing Nick.

@DesignRhythm Ай бұрын

Yet these same clowns still blame Trump for J6.

@chuckecheese5251 Ай бұрын

I hope you guys do some commentary on the teamsters Union speaking at the RNC

@Walgriff Ай бұрын

Yes

@MidWestCon Ай бұрын

What if it was found that it was the rhetoric was to blame? Like he had a notebook stating it was to blame? Would that change anything Nick?

@funkibloo3811 Ай бұрын

Ok I tried to watch

@gussetma1945 Ай бұрын

In other word the Zeitgeist has no effect on course of history.

@va3svd Ай бұрын

“President Brain-Cheese”! 😂😂😂

@MidWestCon Ай бұрын

I can’t stand Nick.

@user-hn7my8ow4s Ай бұрын

He's a far-Leftist pretending to be a Libertarian.

@google_AI_47 Ай бұрын

Round table be like I miss the bush era

@barrypops7499 Ай бұрын

dummies indeed.

@Flyingdutchy33 Ай бұрын

In the first days, all I heard from both ends of the spectrum was how staged this all looked. But now, the internet has convinced me that it's just lefties who think this way

@edwardkelly3280 Ай бұрын

Yes it does influence people to plot these things.It’s like saying somebody from the Democratic Party and comparing him or her to Mao

@KatiraAZ Ай бұрын

Of course it is. And it continues. Last video I watch After Assassination attemp Democracy Now reporter started with the word Hitler...right off the bat.

@kurthertel4299 Ай бұрын

Hard cases make bad law

@-in-the-meantime... Ай бұрын

Nobody likes a bully 🤷‍♂️

@BraskySTU Ай бұрын

I just saw Locutus. You get a thumbs up.

@ChiTownOriginator Ай бұрын

Dude in the top right, Nick?, stinks

@Nemerson74 Ай бұрын

Excellent analysis

@ChiTownOriginator Ай бұрын

@@Nemerson74 thanks 🤣

@jeffrp8388 Ай бұрын

Unsubscribed! After years of coming to this to hear more moderate, thoughtful and at least somewhat informed opinions and discussions, this show has become ridiculously banal. I remember Nick appearing on many other talk shows and podcasts and I was impressed. Now, the man seems to be void of intellectual thought.

@Nemerson74 Ай бұрын

This is not an airport, sir.

@Individual_Lives_Matter Ай бұрын

Speech does not need to be regulated because of possible consequences. Nick is 100% correct about that. Don’t let emotion guide you.

@jeffrp8388 Ай бұрын

@@Individual_Lives_Matter Nothing to do with emotions. It's about content. He's correct about a lot of these things. He's also getting less pragmatic about a lot of things.

@jeffrp8388 Ай бұрын

@@Nemerson74 Kinda scary to think that that comment made sense to you.

@Nemerson74 Ай бұрын

@@jeffrp8388 the full saying, "this is not an airport, you don't need to announce your departure" Meaning that no one cares about your pedantic complaints that make you not want to watch. Simply stop watching instead of wasting your time writing, and our time reading. Unless you really think your complaints will change what Nick thinks?

@kdolo1887 Ай бұрын

You can make a link between fearmongering rhetoric and the actions of a shooter. Also, this isn't really a good question. Lots of things could have triggered the shooter, the rhetoric has kept people from condemning the shooting to the point where a third of Democrats think it was a hoax

@Coconut-219 Ай бұрын

"rhetoric" - honestly I would say ideology as a whole, It comes as a package deal. Postmodernism, moral-relativism (or lack of morality at all). Congratulations you got your "party of love" everybody.

@brianbevard7815 Ай бұрын

@49:00 deportation and due process in the era after Jarksey. Need to reread jarksey and be sober....

@va3svd Ай бұрын

Nick hit it out of the park with his point about politicians regulating speech.

@SirBlackReeds Ай бұрын

It's not like private companies have proven to have better results.

@va3svd Ай бұрын

@@SirBlackReeds Speaking from a Canadian perspective, I don’t see even obnoxious anti-free-expression companies like Facebook trying to ban people from internet access and sentencing them to indefinite house arrest because of hate speech they might commit one day in the future. But the Canadian government has.

@jw6588 Ай бұрын

Politicians ought not to be regulating political speech, that's for sure.