I feel the big problem with Young Justice after season 1 is its over ambition. It stopped being about Young Justice and just became DC the show. Also why do they still continue to pump out 26 episodes when they clearly don't have a budget? Condense the seasons and give the audience what they want. Quality > Quanity.

What make the zatanna arc worse is that we haven't properly seen her as part of the story since season 1. So dividing her episode so much with other characters make her return less impactful.

Zatanna's arc was probably the one I was most anticipated for, and in the end it ends up being less about Zatanna and more about the magic/cosmos of DC which left me disappointed. And yea, the slideshows are a problem, which isn't entirely Weisman and his team's fault. It's obvious WB gave them a limited budget and they're really stretching it as much as they can. WB has got to give them a higher budget.

Also the final fight against Child was really anti-climatic. She's literally sinking continents, and they beat her by shooting magic lasers like they'd been doing the whole time, just now they suddenly work.

The frozen images are undoubtedly a way to save time and money but unlike Season 3 they're integrated quite nicely. By mostly using them for flashbacks, it creates the feeling of reading a comicbook.

I'd say the Artemis arc was the strongest of the three followed by M'gann's and then Zatanna's, Zatanna's arc is the only one I could really consider bad though because while the Martian politics were a bit much there was still some interesting stuff going on with M'gann throughout her arc while Zatanna only gets anything real at the end with the reveal of what she's been doing.

They wasted Zatanna. In her own arc. You would think the writers would devote an arc to one of the most underutilised characters in the show but no! They rather devote time to revealing more of the backstory of Vandel (which to be fair was good), three magic novices I do not care about, and a stupid magic school bus subplot. So far S4 is an improvement from S3 but there is still room for improvement. I just hope S4 is the final season of the team vs the light. I am so tired of their rivalry

The Zatanna, Dr Fate & Klarion vs lords of chaos arc was very underwhelming, the animation and magic fights were quite dull, save for a few moments like when Khalid split child up like an anatomy chart, but those were the exception, not the rule. I love Klarion but a lot of his jokes didn’t land very well with me and the animation is way too stiff, they’re using *alot* of shortcuts that should, in theory have been saving the budget for some great fight scenes…that aren’t there. Also, I don’t know what it is but the use of magic in this show is just not very creative to me. The bus gag was funny though.

I feel like they definitely could of paced superboy’s “death” better imo. Felt odd doing it in episode 3 and then most of the episodes later focusing on other groups.

one thing i have a love hate relationship with is the cast size. The feeling of an entire unexplored universe of younger DC characters to focus on. My favorite thing about season one was that i loved each member of the core group, and seing a bunch of obscue characters id never heard of was always fun. As it went on, the focus could go to any new charater and they could be interesting, best examples are Jaime's arc and Savage's small moments. In season 3 though, this went down as some characters i just didn't care about, and while youu can blame it on an expanding cast, I'd chalk it up to not having a few standouts, as they tried to do things with everyone when they didn't have the time or investment for it. I feel like the character focus in Phantoms properly takes advantage of that expansive cast so that we can flip to any character with pre-established drama and dive into it. That I think is why Zatanna's arc didn't work whie the others got by despite the flaws. The trials for quick character building put the focus on them when Khalid and Tracy would've been fine as tagalongs. Ultimately we'll see where it all goes

It’s definitely not as great as season 1 and 2 but it’s an improvement over season 3. The thing I hate the most is the Beast Boy stuff. Beast Boy got a lot of attention last season and I fell like characters like Tim Drake and Wonder Girl need that attention. Arrowette and Spoiler were introduced last season and we know virtually nothing about them.

I have been waiting since season 2 for Jason Todd, really hope we get to see him when Dick get his arc. It would really be nice to see their relationship finally animated. Personally Jason feels like the Phantom of the show, since he was never even mentioned by name until recently, and it’s clear his death did have an effect on a few of the characters as well

I’m really enjoying Phantoms so far, the arc format allows for a better focus compared to the past season. This is the best the story has felt since season 1 for me

This season is focusing on characters that most people dont care about which is alright. However, if they dont have a story revolving around at least one loved character like Nightwing, Jason Todd, any member of the flash family, Superman, etc. Then it’ll be a season not much people will come back to once its’ finished

Agree with alot of what was said I'll state the reason Shiva wasn't apprehended is cause... she's a leader of a ninja cult. No matter where they put her, she'll be free. Even if tied up on spot, she'll be free and more pissed. It's not lore, it's basic logic.

Modern young justice feels less like a story with an overarching plot and more like a series of movies and shorts

Overall young Justice needs better direction in where it's going and focus on less characters. Literally half of the characters are greatly under developed. I feel like it's all building up to something epic but with the lack of character development it's hard seeing it paying off

Only Klarion and Child saved that last discussed arc for me. I kinda wish it didn't introduce Zatanna's students because it felt like literal whos (In terms of showing up in this story. not that they don't have fans from comics) and there was too many? I feel like YJ is always trying to expand it's hero cast but the newbies they bring in feel like they show up and then get dust covered almost immediately.

I just assumed the league of shadows we’re going to immediately break out Lady Shiva out the minute she gets in jail.

I’m honestly glad I’m not the only one who’s been disappointed by this season so far. As a big fan of the first two seasons… this revival has not been what I had hoped

Artemis arc was one of the most poetic thing ever happened in fiction. Going into Young Justice I didn't know who Artemis was, but after staying with the show for a while she is my favorite superhero.

I think the animation is like that because it was green lit by DC Universe, which itself didn’t have much money compared to HBO Max, and the latter doesn’t seem too invested in the show since they got new content. I do think this season has improved visuals, though. The characters look more distinct and the colors and shades are more vibrant than in season 3.

The slideshow segments are almost definitely a combination of budgetary restrictions and difficulties with animation during COVID, and since they're used for flashbacks I *was* fine with it until the Vandal Savage vs. Order/Chaos debate which should've been properly animated as it was in the present. I also agree Zatanna became lost in her own arc and the speed running of the prodigies traumas felt cheap, except for Mary's which I felt I got enough of an understanding as well as the fact she was still struggling with said conflict in the present (and beyond) made that feel more concrete. I'm confused, did they insinuate Zatanna created this whole situation to free her father? If so, she's morally culpable for all the death, destruction, and now enslavement of these groomed kids to Nabu and Fate. Side note: as someone struggling with depression, Beast Boys arc has been on point, I just hope they don't fall hard on the sleeping pills thing and just let a mofo be depressed because of trauma

I actually love vendal's backstory and how they presented it with "low budget animation" In my opinion it makes them feel like they are legends which the details are not fully right and that tides back to vendal's wishes that his story will be recorded in addition I love the actual lore and it gives so many answers to the world and the Returning line of "why are you telling me what I already know" In the arc in general is one of the most clever things they could come up with I mean the arc the backstories are told like stories which are told to those how actually were in it or already know because everytime they try to show that they are more then the eye can see and that they can learn from there own story.

The “You might even call them.. Phantoms!” bit was hilarious.

Part of young justice's problem is that your expected to come in already knowing the basics of the source material, one example i can think of is jason todd, except as an unnamed ninja, he hasnt made an apperance except for as a hologram in their memorial shrine, but who he was, and what happened to him were never explained, now as comic fans we know who he was and what happened, and arguibly hes become enough of a deal that most people know the basics on him, but for characters like, 13 or halid aren't

I don't know. Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, maybe I'm too invested, or maybe I'm just more easily able to suspend my disbelief, but I found that this season was way easier to follow, understand, and enjoy than season 3. It also might be my comic nerd showing, but I found most characters, main or minor, to be fleshed out and enjoyable. The flashbacks were great, the lore felt consistent, and we even got some questions from season 1 answered. All in all, the creators did their best with the resources they had been given.

When Young Justice is heart felt in times then it sometimes feels a toy commercial that doesn't sell toys. Making everything disjointed.

The creators said at one point they will keep the show going as long as they get renewed, which is not something I like to hear. They don't actually have a planned conclusion or long term plan, its just keep making show until they wont let us anymore. It feels like the wrong attitude to not have an actual end of the show in mind

I think overall, Phantoms has been good, but yea that last Harry Potter arc brought the season down a little. I do think showing the effect of being a superhero (i.e. Zantana’s dad) was interesting. I wished they would have just focused on Fate and the Zantana Family only.

The Violet storyline was pretty useless

You captured a lot of my feelings perfectly. Artemis’s arc was so good it made me wish it was a blueprint for how the whole series is handled (balancing a huge cast by giving one a specific thematic connection to our main characters). The Zatanna arc was so bad that I also considered quitting the show. Those 5 episodes are by far my least favorite that have ever come from this show and I can only hope it stays that way.

The only good moment in the show for me was with Superman explaining death to John. Since he’s only a side character in this show I’m gonna say yes, it still sucks.

It‘s amazing how dark the Zatanna arc actually is for her character- the show implies she groomed a bunch of kids to enslave themselves to Fate on a temp basis for a week at a time and pursued this while the world was in the process of being blown up. Further she is so bad at mentoring, she doesn‘t even reprimand Mary when she does shady shit and then just pulls the rug out from under her. Not to mention that Mary Marvel‘s fall to darkness needed its own arc, since a decent adaptation of that story has to tread carefully to not become the caricature of „token hero becomes evil and corrupted by power“ that the first time the comics did this was - which of course it didn‘t. So now it‘s „look, she‘s just kinda fascist because she feels inadequate and then her mentor was mean to her, so now she‘ll become an apocalypse fury. Now, both Zatanna being aweful and Mary turning evil can be good - but they needed way more time to linger and explore the character development of each. This way we‘re left basically stunned by this and the show just skips past it.

That clunky slideshow scene thing is like a video game cutscene that had no budget. That looks rough to see on a show known for its good animation. DC has really been slacking in animation. I saw Superman Red Son and it was one of the cheapest animated movies I’ve seen in modern day.

Young justice needs to stop focusing on random characters we don’t care about. The fans of this show fought for it to come back to continue the stories of the characters we got attached to (season 1 especially)

Something I said back during season 3, is this show needs to be made into like 3 or more shows. Have Young Justice focus on the original team plus characters like Zatanna and Rocket, make a show that focuses on The Outsiders, A Justice League show and etc. And with this they could do things like crossovers and special event movies.

I hope they build on Zatanna’s character because they did basically nothing with her besides making her look manipulative. Which would be fine if they actually did something with it. I doubt that they will. Literally everyone besides her had their own expositional monologues. I thought that they were gonna have her give the exposition for the last episode of the arc to tell her story and for it all to come together but they didn’t. I said this before and I’ll say it again. They focus TOO MUCH on world building. I’m glad they actually calmed it down this season but common sense should have told them that since Zatanna didn’t get as much character development outside of the first season then they needed to focus on her character more and not less. I just hope that they don’t do the same with Rocket. I know that with her they are probably gonna focus on the Milestone side of things but hopefully not too much to where they don’t give her any character development of her own.

It's so annoying how the show just completely sidelines the core cast that fans came to enjoy in the first place. It has more of them season 4, but they were missed in 3. It would be great if they were all together again. Also every damn episode they have the slideshow moments with zero animation and it's such obvious cost cutting

I am absolutely baffled that no one is mortified that Zatanna tricked teenagers into lifelong servitude all for the sake of selfishly spending time with her father. Let me say that again, she befriended, barley trained and manipulated TEENAGERS into a lifelong service so she could spend time with her father. How is not considered evil? And don’t bullshit me and say she told them they didn’t have to do this. They’re kids playing way out of their league with forces they haven’t even begun to understand. Why would anyone think this isn’t morally bankrupt to even consider?

You can change this show's title to DC: The Show, and *NOTHING* Would change.

honestly if young justice cant secure a bigger budget for season 5 I think they just need to stop at season 4.

The season felt mean spirited as a whole. Not in its tackle Topic, but in its lack of meaningful resolution. "Meaningful" being the note. They proved they could break their characters; but was anything built at all? Yeah this cakes under cooked

If you ask me the biggest missed oppertuntiy so far was Child herself. Beyond her simple but effective desgin, she just lacked anything interesting to her. Beyond 'Super powerful , evil magic girl'. She was fun in that she kinda treated evrything like it was a game to her sure. And it was nice to see when she lost the other lords of chaos backing that she threw a temper tantrum and isn't that diffrent to Klarion. But honestly, the biggest waste is that she had a TON of potential to be more than just 'Causes Chaos by destroying stuff'. Chaos is not inheirtly evil, just as Order is not by default good. She could of been used to showcase this perfectly. Her big point against Klarion was that he was an emobeyment/lord of Chaos...yet he was serving order basically. He was working with hte light. ORGINIZED Crime. Meaning he was failing utterly at being well. Chaotic. it would of been very interesting if, in responce to that, she wanted to destroy the LIght to fix Klarions screw up and decides to take the fight to the light directly and did a huge status quo shift in that the light is being attacked head on now by her and they need to leagues help. OR she decided to work WITH the league or team or the like to try to take down the Light. As Chaos is not inhertitly evil and she could want to get rid of the light but not just do random acts of Evil. Prefering a more 'foucused' version of Chaos in cotrast to Klarions wild and random form of it. They even explored a bit of this early on, with how she was more concentrated and foucused in how she fougth than he was.

I think this season is doing fine so far. Artemis and M’gann & Conner’s arc were really well done but Zatanna’s arc was the only one I really had a problem with. It just was too much at one time. I feel if the episodes were longer or that if they focused more on Zatanna rather than a bunch of different magic users, it would’ve been better. For me, this season is awesome and I love it so far. I’m sure that Nightwings arc will be the best of the best and I’m so hyped for it!

Unfortunately I dropped it on season 3. Too unfocused and the characters/teams I enjoyed got shifted around too much. It really sucks because I waited years for its return after the cancelation way back, and I was getting attached to it almost as much as I was to the original DCAU. Oh well. Guess I'll check out the other comic tie ins. I forgot those exist, as one of them explains why Superboy hates monkeys.

I am enjoying the series, I feel like they are going to build to something really awesome.

Artemis and m’gann waa characters we seen a lot over the past seasons while zantanna had very little screen time before so having an arc consists of her and her students felt less engaging since we didn’t connect with her as much.

I miss the old young justice season 1 was just solid gold I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but this is not young justice

They need to focus on the team and the light again because now it’s like they’re just there. I love the show but they need to focus on that again. Those missions they had against the light and the network of villains they were working with is what made the show in the first season then they continued that with season 2 but now it’s like they’re just trying to do too much at once. Of all the arcs Artemis was my favorite though. I like the way her story is told

Zatanna is one of my favorite DC character. I was disappointed with her arc because it was kinda all over the place. And we can definitely see the budget restraints with the limited animation, the telling us vs showing us. I think she needs her own show and a lot more character development. I was also interested in the chaos vs order thing. We have now 2 chaos lords, why not another lord of order? I thought with Child and Flaw we would at least get Amethyst whom I only recently found out is a lord of order.

The two arcs was everything that i wanted when we did had a season 3. But the third arc? I never thought seeing the character assassination like that since Amazons Attack.

It was never BAD. S1 and 2 are dope but it does get weaker in s3. S4 is weird

Zatanna's arc was kind of weak. It just was, sorry. And it felt like BB's descent into depression and substance abuse took up too much screen time for what it was. "He's really going to a dark place." "Yeah, he is." Next week, "BTW, BB's really not doing well." "Yup, he's in trouble." Then, "This dude's really in trouble." "YEAH, I KNOW, um, is somebody going to step in or … no?" Then, "Hey, if you didn't notice, the lovable green vegetarian is seriously in need of an intervention…" "LIKE SERIOUSLY?! Did you think we somehow didn't notice that yet? Why are you wasting time with this?" M'gann/Conner's arc was pretty solid. Yes, the animation suffered a little … I don't know what kind of shoestring budget they had to make things happen in, but it definitely shows in going out of their way to have everyone use telepathy… In Artemis's arc, the dark fight was again about saving dollars on animation … but it was done really cleverly. I really liked Rocket's arc-though I didn't at first. But that's next video.

Compare season 1 and 2. Then Compare it to seasons 3 and 4. It's like night and day. You can clearly see there budget has been lowered to a degree and it hurts to see.

Pretty much agree with your take. Overall I enjoyed season 4 more, but by the Zatanna/Chaos arc, it's back to the major problem Young Justice has been having. Too many characters, too little time with them. Who are these 3? Who's this guy? Oh, "The Stranger" I guess. OK, why are you here all the sudden? Cut away to the other plot.

It’s funny, a lot of people hated the Miss Martian arc (I loved it). As far as M’Gann having her depression somewhat resolved too quickly, that I’m glad for as we saw a different development each time we saw her. I wouldn’t want to sit around watching her mope around and do nothing several episodes straight (Beast Boy).

I miss the simpler times of season 1

Agree with basically everything wow, and from what I've seen, I think the idea of zatanna's arc being the weakest is pretty agreed upon in the community. It's pretty clear that the team behind young justice is just kinda bad at managing and naturally growing their world out. Which is unfortunate cuz I really do like some of their world building, such as Atlantic being founded by vandal and that apparently all metahumans are offsprings of vandal. But they clearly do know what they are doing when they restrict themselves, showed by both season one and the first two arc of this season being the strongest the series has been. Let's just hope the team can rein themselves back in with the rest of the season, but I have a feeling we will be getting some lore dumps soon with the legion of superheros being more important in the later half of the season.

My main problem with the 3rd arc is how it wrapped up. The final battle was so underwhelming

I'm not sure how much you know about the character but, Lady Shiva isn't a person you can simply *“arrest"* (she'd probably kill the entire precinct of wherever she'd be dropped to make an example of them while simultaneously taunting and embarrassing the heroes who thought such a foolish thing would actually work, their foolishness being paid for dearly with the life's of the police. And then she'd just disappear without a trace). Ninja cults are not to be taken lightly, they don't play by our own laws and the heroes can't just keep her detained themselves, since they DO actually care about our own laws, unless they stand in the way of protecting the whole of humanity somehow.

When I first watched it, I thought season 3 was okay, definitely not as good as the s01 and probably a bit worse than s02. But in preparation for season 4 I rewatched it and honestly, I loved it. I really can't remember what I thought was lacking the first time. Now I think it's different from s01, but once I accepted that, I have really grown to appreciate it to the same degree as s01. I think a feature of the show that leads to disappointment is just how many characters there are vs who is getting the focus at any one time. So I think people including myself at the time were disappointed that so much of s03 was Halo and Brion when there were so many other characters we had a greater investment in that we were not seeing. But on reflection, I really like Halo, Brion, Forager, etc., and funny enough I am sad we haven't gotten more of them in s04. So I have come to the conclusion that the only problem with Young Justice as a whole is that there are not 4 million episodes that I can watch right now, which would solve the above-discribed issue with the show.

I enjoy the arc format but I hate how much bouncing back and forth between characters is done in the episode as it ruins the pacing. It wasn't bad when it on Artemis, but once we got to Zatanna and we kept revisiting Beast Boy and getting narrated backstory it all just felt so drawn out. I feel like all the Phantom Stranger/Vandal/Nabu stuff could've been it's own arc it took away from Zatannas arc which I was looking forward to and it fell flat. The crisis event that occurred was so serious Stranger was there but it all felt so inconsequential and resolved easily in a way they should've known since the beginning (being that Flaw has a flaw and you need to kill the anchor).

I love the lofi animals chilling out at the end of the episode’s, it’s so relaxing

Weird, I loved the Zatanna arc. The more magic side of DC had never clicked for me before, but this was the first time where it got me really interested. The voice over bits gave me such a different idea for a lot of the characters, their dynamics, and how everything pieces together. It added a level of cohesion I'm not used to seeing in DC. I do agree that the presentation of that was extremely cheap though. I also completely agree with you about Zatanna's pupils. With how the arc resolved, I see why there needed to be 3 people, but I spent basically the whole time wondering who they were.

Season 4 is just okay. I'm only watching it because there are no other animated superhero shows right now. I really don't like the Beast Boy arc.

Season 4 is trash. They're messing up the show. They need to get back to basics

My Theories: 1. Aqualad's Arc: Should focus on Aqualad's origins and relationship with his father, Black Manta. Also, they should focus on how Black Manta went down a dark path. 2. Nightwing's Arc: Should focus on Jason Todd and Nightwing's reunion with Jason (Red Hooded Ninja) 3. Final Episodes: The remaining episodes should focus on saving Connor and meeting with the Legion of Superheroes (Why Superboy is important)

It seems like at this point this isn't even a superhero show anymore, at least not in the vein of the classics. It's a live action soap opera. Why do I even care about any of these characters anymore other than the remaining investment from Season 1, when they're all just dealing with heavy stuff and never get a chance for their personalities to shine? What happened to watching charismatic heroes go on colorful fun action adventures?

the mars arc was definitely written the best but the league of shadows arc is the strongest overall

Young justice was my favorite piece of media ever before season 3 and it really makes me sad the way it's going

Yes I am impressed with what they did with the end credit to expand on stuff like like lore and character moments even setting a tone. Not every one hit but what they did express with minimum animation or just images was nice

This show is done forever, we can't save it cause the stories are going anywhere and they put unnecessary stuff inside. Just cancel it already i have enough of it.

I thought Zatanna's arc was going to be my favorite but Miss Martian's and Superboy's arc have been my favorite so far and Zatanna my least. Zatanna is one of my favorite dc characters but they definitely focused more on vandal and klarion rather than her. Still I loved it. Never seen Zatanna speak backwards so much in one episode alone lol.

Feel like they are really trying to get the audience to care about beast boy. He was easily the worst character for me. The pills problem was an interesting, but his behavior on Mars was 💩

They should have cut the Beast Boy stuff. Like, did ANYONE give two shits about his story?

This season started off nicely. Although there have been 3 arcs there is very little shown of the big picture. I liked season 1 and 2 because of how each episode built on the main plot, these 4 episode arcs are so separate from one another.

This season was hot dog shit, only thing that kept me in the game was Artemis's, Mgann's and Connors arcs. Beast Boys arc was interesting, but everything else was just trash. There's no plot!

There are quite a few plotholes all over the place tbh... like, how they don't know where Mars is... somehow... the "why we can't go there" excuses get really thin tbh. One part I was really disappointed with, was how it seemed like'd we'd basically get a "therapy session" each episode. But... that didn't happen. We got like, 2 so far. Plus, I do find it kinda ironic how one of the "main" characters in the lineup, basically doesn't even show up for the entire first half of the show xP There's A LOT of inconsistency though. Also: I found it lowkey hilariously bad how they showed a monument to Kid Flash and Superboy. But... ignored *everyone* else. Like... you'd think there'd at least be *something* there at the sides, or implied... To me, one of the biggest derps in this show: Is how it KEEPS failing in trying to be "woke", is the best I can phrase it. Like: They have Halo come out as nonbinary. The very next scene: EVERYONE ignores it. And it's ignored the rest of the show. They have a character explain how to pronounce his name. EVERYONE ignores it. And this show has had things like this, over and over. It comes off as very tone deaf. That said: I do like how they handled Terra. They managed to keep her "Terra" without the usual... "supergirl treatment" to show a character aged. Plus: They are showing her hair. Which is a great reference to the abuse story they subtexted in the last season. ... I just hope they don't shart the whole thing by pulling the Black Adam arc... That said: I think they massively ruined Oracle and Orphans backstories. It became... SUPER lame. And yeah, the school bus was a funny gag. But... the rest of the whole thing was just so... imo: Badly written and forced. Like you said with the "Can't kill her mom". It's just... kinda forced plot con. I did like the lizard. But yeah... *nothing* paid off with the Chaos vs Order arc tbh. They go on and on about how there's "balance". Yet, we find out Order fiddled their thumbs for millennia while Chaos roamed free? And they REFUSE to intervene direction, instead enforce slavery? Like... Order comes off as real Richards. Not even remotely "good" tbh. And then we got Chaos... who, are just "destruction". NOTHING else. I was hoping we'd get some interesting moral conflict or... *something*. Like: Child teaming up with the Outsiders, since the Outsiders are "chaos" for not following rules. And she tries to destroy the Light, since the Light is Order. AND: What "corrupted" the prior avatar of Chaos. Or, you know: Doing some actual chaos. Not just... try to destroy the ENTIRE planet... And WHY would Savage need to tell Order and Chaos, that: If Chaos destroys the universe... there can no longer be any chaos? Atop that: How is Order even remaining when Chaos is like, x10 stronger? Plus: I was a bit "eh" on how Child seemed to just be their new "Halo" to show off gore. And... it was partially true. But, they at least did *something* to Klarion. So it wasn't as one sided. They seem to have tried to balance their gore out a bit. But, still are VERY derp with it. The arc was overall just, *very* messy. And tried to pull stuff it didn't earn. ... atop having some VERY shoehorned messages in there... BB has been one of the biggest dumbs so far in the show. Like: You're telling us that he's been like that for MONTHS. And... no-one cares? There's just... A LOT of fiddling with and ignoring established rules of the universe. (Like Fate's tower.) All seemingly just... "because". Maybe they will touch on the backstory and stuff but like... so far: They established stuff. Directly contradict and conflict with said stuff.. and has characters do purely idiotic things to excuse plot arcs that have no reason to happen to begin with, really. I'm just really confused where it is going...

Bruh. My critique for Young Justice are so close to yours it's really jarring! Lmao

I understand your saying about the speed running. but the whole part with M'gann, she is on a bio ship for 3 months. Do you know what kind of a melt down people would have being forced to watch any length of that more than we did. She was on a small ship with her sister and uncle for 3 months.

THE ANSWER *YES, IT'S HORRIBLE & UNWATCHABLE*

Uggghhhh I counted FOUR separate instances of someone saying, "Why do you tell me what I already know?" It became a running joke in my head, honestly. Such clunky technique for relaying exposition...

Season two was the peak, young justice is trash now

I don't know if you accept requests, but could you please make a "Is Static Shock As Great As We Remember"? I'm asking this specially because of how Static's character was DUMPED in the Young Justice series.

yeah they really REALLY dropped the ball with z’s arc, which is so disappointing because she’s such a cool charcater that’s had very little (if any) development since season 1. mary was super annoying, but i’m still excited to see where it goes (although knowing this show we’ll probably never see her again :)) traci was annoying and bland, and honestly who cares at all about khalid? at least he was the least annoying of the 3. at least klarion was funny?

honestly i felt the most out of Zatanna's arc in that little after clip they show at the end of episodes. When he mentions the long night. That hit me. Though when you mentioned all these plot points after this season has ended it only now hit me how disjointed the plot is.... I don't even know where it's heading right now lol

While I think the arc focused approach is a vast improvement from S3 (I also enjoyed the first two quite a bit), I also wonder about the overarching plot of the show. It's particularly frustrating because the shows creators have said that they didn't write this season with any conclusion in mind and they just hope the show keeps on going. That's nice and all, but seems like it's an excuse to keep treading water while the overall quality still hasn't reached the heights of the first two seasons. So now if it gets cancelled (which I have a lurking feeling it might) we won't even have a proper conclusion despite the fact that they were giving TWO FULL SEASONS after their initial cancellation to leave their fans with some sort of satisfactory conclusion.

I stopped caring for Young Justice years ago. Season 1 was great, just a bunch of teenagers wanting to prove themselves worthy of being called heroes while learning to deal with challenges they may not ready to fight against and figuring out how to work as a team of equally hot-headed and emotional kids with heavy burdens on their shoulders. After season 2 started with a time skip and nearly everything was different, I started feeling disconnected from the show. Season 3 only made things worse by jumping the shark. I couldn't remember who the characters were without their costumes (and most of them didn't wear costumes in that season), couldn't figure out who was the clone and who wasn't, stopped caring for relationships, and the supposedly emotional moments didn't do jack for me. Now that I see your view on season 4, I see no reason to get back to the series. The first half may have been good, but it still has the same issues season 3 was plagued with, and at this point I have been disconnected from the series for so long, I just don't care anymore. I will always love season 1, and sometimes go back to rewatch it, but I honestly couldn't care about the rest of the series! Great review, by the way!

For lady Shiva. They couldnt just arrest her. They had no evidence of any crime she committed. Like both Batman and Lex said last season knowing and proving is two different things

The opening credits of the show get funnier and funnier. "Not about that character. Not about that one either. Or that one. Or that one."

S3 and S4 are absolute trash, unfortunately...

Yes it’s still bad, they learned nothing from last season it was so boring.

Yeah, the Zatanna arc was very weak. It was trying to speed run development for 3 newly introduced characters and the pacing was just a complete mess. And I really liked the first 2 arcs, and I even liked Season 3, but this Zatanna arc was really really rough.

Love this video! Can’t wait for your review of the second half of the season once we get that!

Maybe the reason of focus switch on Zatanna arc was Zatanna? Come to think about it: since her late enough appearance in season 1 Zatanna was a pretty good character: she had her interests, she was great addition to the team (now they had proper magician), she had a good drama with her dad and etc. Then in season 2 they completely dropped her development by making her JL member and used as side character. However, in season 3 they attempted to "uplift" her from overloaded stuck of characters they already had. As everything in season 3 it was "normal" or meh at best. And now, in season 4, they (creators crew) finally came back to her fully. And what do we find? Pretty much a mess! Zatanna on moment of season 4 have the same issues she had in season 1 (also lost somewhat of a "charm" she had then), but on top of that she now has some (in my opinion) questionable decisions made like participating in treaking Artemis to "help" her let Wally go. Now we can add to that tricking her students in being Nabu's host and forsakening Mary (because she hadn't cared enough about her from the start, I suppose). Now that she saved her father, what can we say about her? What there's of Zatanna beside daddy issues?

I think overall the season is better but yeah the Zatanna arc is rough. The first three episodes especially felt pretty boring at times. I liked the last two of the arc better though when they started focusing on Zatanna and Zatarra.

I do agree Zatanna was the weakest part of the season.

I think Young Justice is a show that gets worse with every season. Not that I think it's bad. I still enjoy Young Justice but there is a noticeable quality drop with each season. I thought season 3 was ok. I really like the first 2 arcs of season 4 and it seemed like this season would actually be better then season 3 instead of continuing the pattern of getting worse. But then the Zatanna arc happened. The only good part about it was Child. I find them to be an entertaining villain but the rest of the arc is a mess. Despite us calling it the Zatanna arc, it feels like she hardly developed or got any focus because we had to introduce so many new characters and jump back between Vandal and the aftermath of the Mars arc. I feel like the only thing I learned about Zatanna in this arc is that she is a bad teacher/mentor. This arc alone doesn't ruin the whole season though. I hope the rest of the season's quality is more similar to the first 2 arcs which I personally really liked. I hope we have a story with the characters from season 3 at some point instead of dropping them like we did with the new team from season 2 in season 3.

I watch young Justice but my head hurts after episode switch another arc then switch and switch I can't understand it anymore