I feel the big problem with Young Justice after season 1 is its over ambition. It stopped being about Young Justice and just became DC the show. Also why do they still continue to pump out 26 episodes when they clearly don't have a budget? Condense the seasons and give the audience what they want. Quality > Quanity.
@Evan87872 жыл бұрын
Agreed. You can tell they're stretching out stories to fill the 26 episodes. I'd prefer 13 eventful episodes.
@maccagrabme2 жыл бұрын
The woke kills it dead.
@anondoggo2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I would rather have the core characters interact meaningfully with each other than watch a bunch of random characters fling around and forget about them the next moment.
@larniieplayz62852 жыл бұрын
@@Evan8787 they don’t seem to be stretching it out
@larniieplayz62852 жыл бұрын
@@anondoggo ??
@axant37922 жыл бұрын
What make the zatanna arc worse is that we haven't properly seen her as part of the story since season 1. So dividing her episode so much with other characters make her return less impactful.
@Wandermidget2 жыл бұрын
Zatanna's arc was probably the one I was most anticipated for, and in the end it ends up being less about Zatanna and more about the magic/cosmos of DC which left me disappointed. And yea, the slideshows are a problem, which isn't entirely Weisman and his team's fault. It's obvious WB gave them a limited budget and they're really stretching it as much as they can. WB has got to give them a higher budget.
@ninjagirl2262 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest one of the biggest budget savers was the Mars arc because they didn’t have to animate lip movement because telepathy. To me it’s amazing how far they are able to stretch this budget. Young Justice needs a bigger budget, but without a toy line that won’t happen.
@rayparker42312 жыл бұрын
Exactly, there’s only so much they can build up to wow people without a big enough budget.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Budget isn't the sole defining factor for well the animation on a project turns out.
@Wandermidget2 жыл бұрын
@@fightingmedialounge519 Of course. Many of the problems with Young Justice have to do with Weisman himself. I stated in the comments of the previous video that Weisman has a tendency to set up characters, events, and plotpoints way in advance. And if the project happens to get canceled, then so be it. It also doesn't help that Weisman himself admitted that he doesn't have an "endgame" planned for Young Justice. He'll just keep making seasons until WB doesn't want them anymore.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
@@Wandermidget I was more so talking about the quality of animation rather than quality of the show overall, but that's an interesting perspective you have.
@highlightermarca-texto32812 жыл бұрын
Also the final fight against Child was really anti-climatic. She's literally sinking continents, and they beat her by shooting magic lasers like they'd been doing the whole time, just now they suddenly work.
@ahmedalsaba1222 жыл бұрын
Because if you were paying attention you'd she had the power of the other lords of chaos who were relative to Klarion in terms of raw power, this is why they couldn't do damage because she was too strong, savage was able to convince the lords of chaos to take away the power they had given her and as soon as that goes into effect she starts losing
@highlightermarca-texto32812 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedalsaba122 I know, but the fight still felt anti-climatic.
@aceoffires10322 жыл бұрын
@@highlightermarca-texto3281 the magic lasers then started working out of nowhere, Traci just found the flaw that Flaw had and exploited it
@highlightermarca-texto32812 жыл бұрын
@@aceoffires1032 Yeah, in like, all of 30 seconds. And for some reason none of the previous lasers worked.
@aceoffires10322 жыл бұрын
@@highlightermarca-texto3281 might it perhaps be because they didn't hit the weak point I mentioned? Not to mention it wasn't just a "magic laser" but rather Traci's bad luck magic that brought out bad luck, even a cosmic entity and their anchor have luck that can be exploited
@jstarwars3602 жыл бұрын
The frozen images are undoubtedly a way to save time and money but unlike Season 3 they're integrated quite nicely. By mostly using them for flashbacks, it creates the feeling of reading a comicbook.
@davidhenriques48292 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%, its way better used here then S3
@TheShockVox2 жыл бұрын
Much better
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was consistent with Evolution in S3 where they did that for the Savage flashbacks then so they kept on doing it for Savage's flashbacks in S4. It felt jarring in the last episode of the Zatanna arc where they did it in the present though for when Savage went to talk to the Lords of Chaos and Order.
@evancribb9432 жыл бұрын
I agree well said
@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod91402 жыл бұрын
In my perspective and opinion this season is better than the previous ones.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
I'd say the Artemis arc was the strongest of the three followed by M'gann's and then Zatanna's, Zatanna's arc is the only one I could really consider bad though because while the Martian politics were a bit much there was still some interesting stuff going on with M'gann throughout her arc while Zatanna only gets anything real at the end with the reveal of what she's been doing.
@TheDerek142 жыл бұрын
Especially since the ending really makes Zatanna look manipulative and self-centered. With the previous lies explored in season 3 & 2, there is the argument that there were lying due to the necessity for the greater good. With Zatanna however, it is entirely personal. She took 3 young adults (guessing their training started when they were teenagers), and pretty much indoctrinated them into her world, all in an attempt to get Nabu to take on a new host, to save her father. She even describes Nabu as a curse, and she fully desires to have those idealistic individuals take on the curse. Yes, they shift it every week, but the fact remains, she only took on apprentices to save her father, and lied. Doesn't matter that she was trying to save her father, she manipulated the situation to her advantaged, and almost destroyed the world in the proccess.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@TheDerek14 It's messed up but one of the few things I liked about this arc, even the heroes tend to be morally grey at times and Zatanna has been desperate to get her father back for years
@TheDerek142 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 I wouldn't really consider that morally gray though. That is straight up manipulation for selfish reasons. Batman & CO. manipulated the Outsiders, and other heroes, in order to investigate the Light behind the scenes, and couldn't afford to get caught. Similar to how Nightwing had to keep it secret that Kaaldor was a double agent due to needing to know who the Light was working with. All are morally ambiguous due their actions of lying for the greater good, but with Zatanna there was no greater good. What she did was for entirely personal reasons, and if she had let them know before hand about the deal with Fate, I'm unsure of whether or not they would have agreed to take on the curse of being Dr. Fate.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@TheDerek14 Traci is the only one who maybe wouldn't, Khalid is related to Kent Nelson so he definitely would've and even claims he knew he would eventually and Mary would've done so as well. Plus while it was personal a host a week for Dr. Fate is actually helpful for the greater good since it allows for a stronger host
@sheltondaal64252 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 While I like morally grey characters, we desperately needed more time to deal with this reveal than the last 5 minutes of the 5 episode arc. She enabled Mary's magic addiction in the hopes that she could serve as a useful tool in getting more time with her father. She probably knew that Khalid would help because of the familial connection, and Traci seems to be the most impressionable one amongst them all who we know is constantly seeking approval from others.
@zemox25342 жыл бұрын
They wasted Zatanna. In her own arc. You would think the writers would devote an arc to one of the most underutilised characters in the show but no! They rather devote time to revealing more of the backstory of Vandel (which to be fair was good), three magic novices I do not care about, and a stupid magic school bus subplot. So far S4 is an improvement from S3 but there is still room for improvement. I just hope S4 is the final season of the team vs the light. I am so tired of their rivalry
@justindysinger2 жыл бұрын
A thousand times yes. Zatanna has been getting the shaft since season two started and I was thrilled at an arc focusing on her. She’s hardly the focus until the second to last episode of the arc. This show seems hellbent on introducing more and more new characters instead of just developing the ones they already have:
@marocat47492 жыл бұрын
Which i really a crime as she is very fun, having th dr fate problem, she is genuinly fun when allowed to. Seriously she should hav had more time training them, that could be a fun episode arc in its own without a greater conflict.
@sheltondaal64252 жыл бұрын
@@justindysinger Even the second to last episode is about her father, and what seemed to be a setup for his death. The fact that it wasn't honestly made me even more confused as to why we spent so much time on it.
@YoureRightIThink2 жыл бұрын
@@justindysinger you're right, I'm just already tired of having new characters every season, some of them are still young and left without being decently explored. Like Static Shock, Wonder Girl, El Dorado, who knows what happened to the native-american guy. I'm hoping we see more of Cyborg otherwise having him AND Beast Boy on the same show without interacting would be a waste.
@YoureRightIThink2 жыл бұрын
I just remembered last season we got some random scenes with Bumblebee and Malcolm to show that they had a baby, and then never appeared again lol
@dramallamarama53002 жыл бұрын
The Zatanna, Dr Fate & Klarion vs lords of chaos arc was very underwhelming, the animation and magic fights were quite dull, save for a few moments like when Khalid split child up like an anatomy chart, but those were the exception, not the rule. I love Klarion but a lot of his jokes didn’t land very well with me and the animation is way too stiff, they’re using *alot* of shortcuts that should, in theory have been saving the budget for some great fight scenes…that aren’t there. Also, I don’t know what it is but the use of magic in this show is just not very creative to me. The bus gag was funny though.
@lifeline.61442 жыл бұрын
it’s bc of the animation budget that’s literally the main problem
@SlickSkuddy2 жыл бұрын
I thought Klarion was meant to be super corny so I ignored that and I agree mostly especially the magic part. Reminds me of how Ben 10 and the lack of creativity with Gwen’s magic in Alien Force
@BryanDough2112 жыл бұрын
The bus gag was so impressive!
@tototats162 жыл бұрын
I love Klarion and was surprised to see him not showing a lot of anger to Child in the final fight. He didn’t even throw a tantrum or do anything creative with his powers.
@Aldrius2 жыл бұрын
I mean my big problem with the Zatanna arc was just that it was structured terribly and I hated the Child, and only enjoy Klarion in small doses.
@TheDopamineMan2 жыл бұрын
I feel like they definitely could of paced superboy’s “death” better imo. Felt odd doing it in episode 3 and then most of the episodes later focusing on other groups.
@Theo-bk6qj2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure his death is in episode 4. As episode 3 is when they prepare the stuff for the wedding.
@Theo-bk6qj2 жыл бұрын
Or actually, I think it might be episode 5 as the death is at the end of the arc.
@ginge6412 жыл бұрын
@@Theo-bk6qj It's 4. Each of the first two arcs are four episodes long.
@Aldrius2 жыл бұрын
I mean we needed sometime to think he might actually be dead before they revealed he wasn't.
@christopherbennett58582 жыл бұрын
@@Aldrius Timing also doesn't help. If you market your series as 5 interconnecting arcs, a death in the first arc, especially an on screen one with no body, isn't going to be believable. Plus, its DC. Its 50/50 he'd be back.
@justsomeguyanimations2 жыл бұрын
one thing i have a love hate relationship with is the cast size. The feeling of an entire unexplored universe of younger DC characters to focus on. My favorite thing about season one was that i loved each member of the core group, and seing a bunch of obscue characters id never heard of was always fun. As it went on, the focus could go to any new charater and they could be interesting, best examples are Jaime's arc and Savage's small moments. In season 3 though, this went down as some characters i just didn't care about, and while youu can blame it on an expanding cast, I'd chalk it up to not having a few standouts, as they tried to do things with everyone when they didn't have the time or investment for it. I feel like the character focus in Phantoms properly takes advantage of that expansive cast so that we can flip to any character with pre-established drama and dive into it. That I think is why Zatanna's arc didn't work whie the others got by despite the flaws. The trials for quick character building put the focus on them when Khalid and Tracy would've been fine as tagalongs. Ultimately we'll see where it all goes
@obi_oma2 жыл бұрын
.
@yderga87072 жыл бұрын
What made season 1 so great was the slow integration of characters which gave ample amount of time into character development and natural storytelling. Season 2 messed up with their time skip. Instead of focusing on the main characters and what they were doing this whole time, they chose to focus primarily on a new cast, with a new threat in a new world. There were so many new characters and plot developments being shoved at once that it was hard to tell what was going on at times. (And yes I understand certain plot points like Megann and Connors relationship or Artemis and Wallys relationship being explored here and there, albeit in small glimpses) Season 3 was just.... ugh. A boring story pacing nightmare. Most of which felt like filler which tried to fix season 2s whole "too many plot points". They tried to fix it by focusing on a handful of new characters (again instead of focusing on the main cast like we WANTED) that weren't well written or interesting in the slightest. At this point I forgot that aqualad even existed apart from them just shoving him in random scenes. This and the fact that they retconned the speed force like it just didn't exist in this universe and that wally just died by tapping into it rather than spending this season bringing him back was a joke. I think season 4 is doing well going back to its roots and we're finally getting some story progression for the *main* cast but damn, I feel like after all this time I forgot about most of the original characters story. I completely forgot about the whole Zatana/Zatara thing that i had no idea what was going on in their arc. I can't help but wonder how the show wouldve been if they never time jumped the first time.
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
Traci maybe could of been more of a tagalong but Khaild was basically on the heroes side the third main character along with Zatanna and Zatara.. Him calling out Zatanna about her plans and being the first to take on the helmet is one of the crux's of the climax.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@yderga8707 Did the speedforce exist in universe, like I don't think they ever mentioned it
@yderga87072 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 in pretty sure Barry had mentioned it beforehand when warning bart about the technique, but even still why would you have wally die that way if youre not implying he entered the speed force? Like how did he die exactly? And on a further note, if not for the speedforce where do the speedsters even get their powers in YJ? To me that was just lazy writing, and an oversight because they wanted a whole season dedicated to Halo and "fred-bug".
@klaushenna67782 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely not as great as season 1 and 2 but it’s an improvement over season 3. The thing I hate the most is the Beast Boy stuff. Beast Boy got a lot of attention last season and I fell like characters like Tim Drake and Wonder Girl need that attention. Arrowette and Spoiler were introduced last season and we know virtually nothing about them.
@ANameToGoBy2 жыл бұрын
They really gave us Tim and Cassie in season 2 then just DID NOT go any deeper with them in season 3 😅.
@pickedceasar12162 жыл бұрын
@@ANameToGoBy they did but it's all implied. It's like they finally got to use Wonder Girl and just threw both of them of to the side. At least Troia actually got to fight this season
@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod91402 жыл бұрын
This season is not bad but it needs to improve the plot and include more characters
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod9140 I think the last thing this show needs is more characters
@ventusxzephyr132 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting since season 2 for Jason Todd, really hope we get to see him when Dick get his arc. It would really be nice to see their relationship finally animated. Personally Jason feels like the Phantom of the show, since he was never even mentioned by name until recently, and it’s clear his death did have an effect on a few of the characters as well
@lonemotheo19642 жыл бұрын
I feel like it would be repeating Arsenals arc in season 2 they should have left him dead or never mentioned him Although the brother dynamic is something I've always wanted to be explored between the two robins.... But I'm not confident with the writing
@ventusxzephyr132 жыл бұрын
@@lonemotheo1964 it would be really neat if the red hood could be introduced as a middle ground, going against the light and the justice league. Having a real middle ground could add some new perspective to the show, that being of the victim who was used by both heroes and villains ( I’m just spitballing here) and after finding out the joker is still around, deciding to take matters into his own hands. Especially since Barbra was crippled by the Joker in this universe
@lonemotheo19642 жыл бұрын
@@ventusxzephyr13 maybe they'll do that I remain cautiously optimistic
@sheltondaal64252 жыл бұрын
@@lonemotheo1964 considering they can't even explore Tim's character and he's been alive and kicking since S2 I also don't have much confidence.
@jayboom252 жыл бұрын
I think in a furture arc of this season we will see Jason, if thye do arc for each of the ones they show off and Megan (I dont feel like remembering the martin spelling) and Conner share one/ conner being a thread between them all then Dick's arc will probably be where we get to see the red hood. And ether we will just get the start to him as a charcter then in a furture season we will get the red hood plot or we will get a somewhat rushed arc for the charcter of jason todd
@andrewk99442 жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying Phantoms so far, the arc format allows for a better focus compared to the past season. This is the best the story has felt since season 1 for me
@kibauno2 жыл бұрын
Now if they would finally bring Wally back it would be perfect.
@russelldance26992 жыл бұрын
The format of each OG having their own arc is sorta easier to understand everything that has happened. I wonder if they'll keep this same format for next season with perhaps others characters ?
@Aaryavir2 жыл бұрын
@@kibauno i think once they get conner back from the negative zone, they'll see wally isn't there and the legion of superheroes will finally reveal themselves to the team.
@JayJay-eb4lx2 жыл бұрын
@@kibauno wally wont come back
@kibauno2 жыл бұрын
@@JayJay-eb4lx hater
@what38992 жыл бұрын
This season is focusing on characters that most people dont care about which is alright. However, if they dont have a story revolving around at least one loved character like Nightwing, Jason Todd, any member of the flash family, Superman, etc. Then it’ll be a season not much people will come back to once its’ finished
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
The first two arcs were about the original team for the most part
@marocat47492 жыл бұрын
The first prt work because they sort of continue and close conflicts from that cast. Cheasire is season 1 too. Connor, megann, only beastboy, whyy, ut else its notalgic in a way
@wadester892 жыл бұрын
Agree with alot of what was said I'll state the reason Shiva wasn't apprehended is cause... she's a leader of a ninja cult. No matter where they put her, she'll be free. Even if tied up on spot, she'll be free and more pissed. It's not lore, it's basic logic.
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
technically she's the second in command of the League of Shadows after Deathstroke + the Chief Enforcer of the Light in general (tbh I thought she had taken his place on both counts in those episodes but then they showed no Deathstroke was still part of the Light in the next arc) but yes.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Not really, there are plenty of places they could put her.
@The_Wosh2 жыл бұрын
Modern young justice feels less like a story with an overarching plot and more like a series of movies and shorts
@ComicBookKing2 жыл бұрын
Overall young Justice needs better direction in where it's going and focus on less characters. Literally half of the characters are greatly under developed. I feel like it's all building up to something epic but with the lack of character development it's hard seeing it paying off
@fixedcamera10002 жыл бұрын
Only Klarion and Child saved that last discussed arc for me. I kinda wish it didn't introduce Zatanna's students because it felt like literal whos (In terms of showing up in this story. not that they don't have fans from comics) and there was too many? I feel like YJ is always trying to expand it's hero cast but the newbies they bring in feel like they show up and then get dust covered almost immediately.
@Hassan-kf6xj2 жыл бұрын
well, kinda the whole point of having many students its cuz of the Dr.fate stuff
@fixedcamera10002 жыл бұрын
@@Hassan-kf6xj Just because they can explain why they were able to introduce too many characters doesnt make it any less crowded and frustrating as a watcher
@themilkman50042 жыл бұрын
I just assumed the league of shadows we’re going to immediately break out Lady Shiva out the minute she gets in jail.
@Step430992 жыл бұрын
I thought it was obvious really
@aelurus2 жыл бұрын
tbh I think They left her behind because she has a hole in her stomach. it was easier to leave her on her island, where she has medical help, rather then transporting her to the nearest hospital where heroes could arrest her
@dannyinfinity2 жыл бұрын
I thought if you capture one of the lights main leaders. They are automatically out of the light. Like what happened to the brain or black manta.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@dannyinfinity I could've sworn Brain is still there but with Black Manta I had assumed it was more the failure with Aqualad
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
We know ocean masters also out of the light, so it's safe assume that they don't take kindly to massive failures.
@StockeTepes2 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly glad I’m not the only one who’s been disappointed by this season so far. As a big fan of the first two seasons… this revival has not been what I had hoped
@docsampson11282 жыл бұрын
You are so correct I loved season one and to a lesser extent season 2 but since then they threw everything but the kitchen sink in season 3 and just not that into season 4. I’m just wishing they would bring Wally and Conner back and stick to original cast like season one. But I’m hoping the next acts are good.
@taujhrutledge39822 жыл бұрын
@@docsampson1128 I do aswell
@taujhrutledge39822 жыл бұрын
Your absolutely right
@emmad.88152 жыл бұрын
I've accepted at this point that season one is just the best we're ever gonna get and I can love it on its own
@bluewulv2 жыл бұрын
So is this show getting cancelled again? Cuz it's been weeks since the last episode
@aram694208 ай бұрын
Artemis arc was one of the most poetic thing ever happened in fiction. Going into Young Justice I didn't know who Artemis was, but after staying with the show for a while she is my favorite superhero.
@GamerSlyRatchet12 жыл бұрын
I think the animation is like that because it was green lit by DC Universe, which itself didn’t have much money compared to HBO Max, and the latter doesn’t seem too invested in the show since they got new content. I do think this season has improved visuals, though. The characters look more distinct and the colors and shades are more vibrant than in season 3.
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
Well S4 has Studio MIR working on all the episodes, and their a great pretty prestigeous studio.. which means we can get stuff like the amazing background art of the first arc and all the fight scenes in hte second.. but at the same time they probably quite a bit more expensive per episode than the smaller name studios they'd used previous (not that they could use the studios that did most of S1 and S2 since IRC they ether no longer exist or have folded into larger ones) so they have to cut more corners when they aren't doing something crazy like the in the Dark action scene.
@joshmargolis14242 жыл бұрын
The slideshow segments are almost definitely a combination of budgetary restrictions and difficulties with animation during COVID, and since they're used for flashbacks I *was* fine with it until the Vandal Savage vs. Order/Chaos debate which should've been properly animated as it was in the present. I also agree Zatanna became lost in her own arc and the speed running of the prodigies traumas felt cheap, except for Mary's which I felt I got enough of an understanding as well as the fact she was still struggling with said conflict in the present (and beyond) made that feel more concrete. I'm confused, did they insinuate Zatanna created this whole situation to free her father? If so, she's morally culpable for all the death, destruction, and now enslavement of these groomed kids to Nabu and Fate. Side note: as someone struggling with depression, Beast Boys arc has been on point, I just hope they don't fall hard on the sleeping pills thing and just let a mofo be depressed because of trauma
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
So basically no she didn't create it but the Chaos Lords reacted to her even contimplating the idea of multiple Dr.Fates (and thus Nabu consistently having bodies that are actually healthy and refreshed and being more powerful) on top of how they had already lost faith in Klarion by sending in Child, but they way overshot on account of Child being it seems way crazier and more bloodthirsty than most of them. So no she didn't create the situation and I wouldn't say "cosmic forces react to an idea" can really be blamed on her too much as why the hell would she even be considering "man what would these vauge entities be thinking about this?" She certainly took ADVANTAGE of the situation to have her students impress Nabu so he'd agree to the idea though to expidite her plan, hence why she basically let them do most of hte fighting and mostly did defensive spells when he was around.
@rookiedrifter42732 жыл бұрын
@@thewalrus45 Uh... I thought the show made it pretty clear that that was, in fact, exactly what she did? Like, I'm pretty sure she outright says as much to Mary and Khalid and all of them. She was training them so that they could do the whole "multiple Fates" thing, and this event with Child and Klarion just presented the opportunity for her to present the idea to Nabu, if only because it was a super tough mission and they managed to miraculously survive. She trained them in the first place so that she could free her father from Nabu's control and present good hosts for Nabu to inhabit.
@samirraza90692 жыл бұрын
@@rookiedrifter4273 Am I the only one who thinks that that's morally fucked up?
@rookiedrifter42732 жыл бұрын
@@samirraza9069 No, you're not. It's incredibly morally fucked up. She's too much of a child to accept the fact that she fucked up back in Season 1 and has to live with that now, but apparently it's totally cool to basically force children to be slaves to some greater cosmic force in order to solve her problems for her.
@neko_avivbonetrial93062 жыл бұрын
I actually love vendal's backstory and how they presented it with "low budget animation" In my opinion it makes them feel like they are legends which the details are not fully right and that tides back to vendal's wishes that his story will be recorded in addition I love the actual lore and it gives so many answers to the world and the Returning line of "why are you telling me what I already know" In the arc in general is one of the most clever things they could come up with I mean the arc the backstories are told like stories which are told to those how actually were in it or already know because everytime they try to show that they are more then the eye can see and that they can learn from there own story.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't exactly call that clever. lamp shading.
@lazaroskarmaniolas74102 жыл бұрын
Dude, you're just making up excuses for a bad show at this point.
@thomasraines13962 жыл бұрын
The “You might even call them.. Phantoms!” bit was hilarious.
@yashmandla12342 жыл бұрын
Part of young justice's problem is that your expected to come in already knowing the basics of the source material, one example i can think of is jason todd, except as an unnamed ninja, he hasnt made an apperance except for as a hologram in their memorial shrine, but who he was, and what happened to him were never explained, now as comic fans we know who he was and what happened, and arguibly hes become enough of a deal that most people know the basics on him, but for characters like, 13 or halid aren't
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Even that wouldn't be an issue if they actually stuck to their characters story in the comics, but we've clearly seen that not to be the case.
@lellan12882 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with this but funnily enough, it was after seeing that hologram that I realized there were multiple robins, and that pushed me down this DC rabbit hole about the bat family and then other super heroes that largely shaped my interest in comics and in Young Justice to this day. This show and Jason Todd are pretty special for me for that reason 😂 not disagreeing I just thought it was funny you brought up that example. But I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect everyone to do what I did.
@kirbydied28752 жыл бұрын
I agree, never read the comics, and could give less of a shit for these characters that they keep shoving out of their ass. Too much characters with too little development.
@yashmandla12342 жыл бұрын
@@kirbydied2875 that another problem, the cast is just getting too big, as of right now nightwing and aqualad, 2 of the main characters from the first 3 seasons haven' t even gotten a single line of dialogue in season 4 and have only made a non verbal apperance when they told artemis superboy was dead
@zuckuss38082 жыл бұрын
@@yashmandla1234 Although one of the few things I liked about season 3 is Nightwing. He was one of the most prominent characters and we got a ton of him and I think they wanted a break from him. Although he will probably have his own arc soon. Also I don't think you actually looked at the episodes out at that time because Aqualad just finished his multiple episode long arc. and they release one episode a week and you made that comment a week ago meaning the show was already like 3 episodes into his arc
@matthias7202 жыл бұрын
I don't know. Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, maybe I'm too invested, or maybe I'm just more easily able to suspend my disbelief, but I found that this season was way easier to follow, understand, and enjoy than season 3. It also might be my comic nerd showing, but I found most characters, main or minor, to be fleshed out and enjoyable. The flashbacks were great, the lore felt consistent, and we even got some questions from season 1 answered. All in all, the creators did their best with the resources they had been given.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
It sounds more like you just have lower expectations.
@venomousloser45232 жыл бұрын
I liked season 4 too. I just wish they would lengthen the episodes , I feel like they have a lot to tell but very little time to tell it 😕 😪
@scourgeanimations4442 жыл бұрын
When Young Justice is heart felt in times then it sometimes feels a toy commercial that doesn't sell toys. Making everything disjointed.
@matthewletexier2 жыл бұрын
The creators said at one point they will keep the show going as long as they get renewed, which is not something I like to hear. They don't actually have a planned conclusion or long term plan, its just keep making show until they wont let us anymore. It feels like the wrong attitude to not have an actual end of the show in mind
@marocat47492 жыл бұрын
They dont even need to do an actual end but something to go towards, which, what the hell does the light want, they shhould have a vague idea at least, not a mystery box.
@matthewletexier2 жыл бұрын
@@marocat4749 i agree. Its okay to want the show to keep going, but if you don't have a long term plan for it, then it probably should just stop or rethink the plan
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@marocat4749 I think Vandal's past and talk with the Lords of Chaos and Order explained it. They want to see humanity advance but Vandal thinks the only way to do that is through extreme hardship which is why he's setting up an eventual battle with Darkseid as that battle will really push the Earth forward
@jturner25772 жыл бұрын
I think they at least have a conclusion to the Darkseid/Vandal Savage story.
@username.exenotfound29432 жыл бұрын
Im sure the long term plan is an eventual darkseid problem
@jsjs89512 жыл бұрын
I think overall, Phantoms has been good, but yea that last Harry Potter arc brought the season down a little. I do think showing the effect of being a superhero (i.e. Zantana’s dad) was interesting. I wished they would have just focused on Fate and the Zantana Family only.
@bg_36052 жыл бұрын
Agreed! We've waited so long for more time with Zatanna and now she has to share her arc with a bunch of people that we could have done without. I was really happy about the agreement they made with Dr.Fate to "release" Zatanna's dad, but other than that, I can't think of a lot of positives for this arc in general.
@lizardking96492 жыл бұрын
The Violet storyline was pretty useless
@darthahsoka35182 жыл бұрын
Well I thought it was nice that they finally acknowledge her thing with harper
@PotatoKing86 Жыл бұрын
@@darthahsoka3518agreed
@DakotaCityRag2 жыл бұрын
You captured a lot of my feelings perfectly. Artemis’s arc was so good it made me wish it was a blueprint for how the whole series is handled (balancing a huge cast by giving one a specific thematic connection to our main characters). The Zatanna arc was so bad that I also considered quitting the show. Those 5 episodes are by far my least favorite that have ever come from this show and I can only hope it stays that way.
@krysisstorm27032 жыл бұрын
Anybody who doesn't like this has got to be insane! I'm sorry, no diss intended, but I think alot of you all are just nickpicking for the sake of sound cool. This show is AWESOME! Is it perfect? No, by means, but it is still one of the most consistently good animated shows on TV. The only thing I can think of that comes close in the last decade is ...Arcane on Netflix. I think you all have some valid criticisms, but this show is no where near as bad ad this video tries to portray it.
@futureblade60992 жыл бұрын
@@krysisstorm2703 sure that's what you think, and I even enjoy the Zatanna arc a bit, but even I have to admit that it goes downhill towards the end. But at least it didn't make me drop the entire season like Outsiders did.
@DakotaCityRag2 жыл бұрын
@@krysisstorm2703your first two sentences contradict each other. But also, you can just accept that people respond to the show differently than yourself. Detailed videos like explain exactly why someone has that different response, and lowart even included examples of things he likes for comparison (the first two arcs, the first season). I’m glad that what you see works for you but that don’t mean shit for the rest of us.
@krysisstorm27032 жыл бұрын
@@DakotaCityRag No contradiction, just nuance. I was just expressing my disagreement and frustration. I wasn't trying to be rude or disrespectful to anyone. I just said it how I thought it instead of phrasing it in a more polite way. And I do accept that we are all different and have different perception and opinions....I just have the privilege and luxury of believing that in this particular case mine is the RIGHT one...lol!
@krysisstorm27032 жыл бұрын
It's all good. Just feeling funny today!
@GrimDarkHalfOff2 жыл бұрын
The only good moment in the show for me was with Superman explaining death to John. Since he’s only a side character in this show I’m gonna say yes, it still sucks.
@Step430992 жыл бұрын
The show isn’t about him tho so I’d say that’s unfair
@paperbackwriter11112 жыл бұрын
It‘s amazing how dark the Zatanna arc actually is for her character- the show implies she groomed a bunch of kids to enslave themselves to Fate on a temp basis for a week at a time and pursued this while the world was in the process of being blown up. Further she is so bad at mentoring, she doesn‘t even reprimand Mary when she does shady shit and then just pulls the rug out from under her. Not to mention that Mary Marvel‘s fall to darkness needed its own arc, since a decent adaptation of that story has to tread carefully to not become the caricature of „token hero becomes evil and corrupted by power“ that the first time the comics did this was - which of course it didn‘t. So now it‘s „look, she‘s just kinda fascist because she feels inadequate and then her mentor was mean to her, so now she‘ll become an apocalypse fury. Now, both Zatanna being aweful and Mary turning evil can be good - but they needed way more time to linger and explore the character development of each. This way we‘re left basically stunned by this and the show just skips past it.
@GamerSlyRatchet12 жыл бұрын
The students aren't kids. They are all at least college-age, at the youngest. Also, she didn't groom them for anything. She didn't have the idea until the first episode of her arc, which ended up summoning Child to Earth. She tried to encourage them and showcase them in front of Dr. Fate to sell him easier on the idea, but her attempts to teach them magic was genuine. And when she did reveal her idea, she gave them the choice to do it. She never forced them. So, what she did was questionable, but she's nowhere as manipulative and devious as people painted her to be.
@Nightman221k2 жыл бұрын
That clunky slideshow scene thing is like a video game cutscene that had no budget. That looks rough to see on a show known for its good animation. DC has really been slacking in animation. I saw Superman Red Son and it was one of the cheapest animated movies I’ve seen in modern day.
@ashwinnaidoo7962 жыл бұрын
It sucks cuz DC animated works have always been praised as being great. Seems like the more recent stuff isn’t too great especially with the focus on live action shows now that are meh at best.
@SuperSteph52 жыл бұрын
Superman: Man of Tomorrow, Justice Society WW2 and Batman the Long Halloween part 1&2 have good art and animation. These were released in the past 2 years.
@Nightman221k2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSteph5 They seem to allocate budgets so weird. You are right, I watched the Long Halloween and was not disappointed by the animation quality at all and thought it was very good, as was the Superman movie with Parasite (With the Long Halloween, my only complaint was the stock character designs compared to the gorgeous Tim Sale designs, since they'll never reanimate it), they just get weird when it comes to cutting corners on projects. Cause when they cut the corners they do it really, really noticeably. I loved the Choose Your Own Adventure story with that Red Hood project but it was obviously made with a very small budget too. For things as anticipated as YJ they should have the bar higher.
@SuperSteph52 жыл бұрын
@@Nightman221k I assume they probably have a higher budget on projects that's going to make them the most money like ones I listed will make money since you have to pay directly to watch them whereas YJ probably won't even make money since its only on a streaming service. I do agree the older DC animated movies had amazing animation like Flashpoint Paradox or Superman/Batman Apokolips. Hopefully they can continue to keep doing animated movies with good quality.
@isiahsalim16882 жыл бұрын
Young justice needs to stop focusing on random characters we don’t care about. The fans of this show fought for it to come back to continue the stories of the characters we got attached to (season 1 especially)
@kibauno2 жыл бұрын
Bring back Wally West 😞
@docsampson11282 жыл бұрын
Totally agree fans got the show renewed and we still haven’t got Wally back is a disgrace. Focus on our core characters more and what made season one so good not a million other random stories.
@lifeline.61442 жыл бұрын
that’s not the problem. every show introduces new characters. it’s the way they introduce new characters. they don’t give them enough insight and exploration for us to get attached. as a comic book fan i can tell u these characters are really dope they’re just getting done dirty bc of the writers
@venomousloser45232 жыл бұрын
@@lifeline.6144 couldn't agree more . I for one like the fact that they ate bringing in new characters.
@gangofheroes2 жыл бұрын
Something I said back during season 3, is this show needs to be made into like 3 or more shows. Have Young Justice focus on the original team plus characters like Zatanna and Rocket, make a show that focuses on The Outsiders, A Justice League show and etc. And with this they could do things like crossovers and special event movies.
@JuneieBack2 жыл бұрын
I hope they build on Zatanna’s character because they did basically nothing with her besides making her look manipulative. Which would be fine if they actually did something with it. I doubt that they will. Literally everyone besides her had their own expositional monologues. I thought that they were gonna have her give the exposition for the last episode of the arc to tell her story and for it all to come together but they didn’t. I said this before and I’ll say it again. They focus TOO MUCH on world building. I’m glad they actually calmed it down this season but common sense should have told them that since Zatanna didn’t get as much character development outside of the first season then they needed to focus on her character more and not less. I just hope that they don’t do the same with Rocket. I know that with her they are probably gonna focus on the Milestone side of things but hopefully not too much to where they don’t give her any character development of her own.
@NeverSaySandwich12 жыл бұрын
It's so annoying how the show just completely sidelines the core cast that fans came to enjoy in the first place. It has more of them season 4, but they were missed in 3. It would be great if they were all together again. Also every damn episode they have the slideshow moments with zero animation and it's such obvious cost cutting
@Step430992 жыл бұрын
Gotta save the money somewhere
@marocat47492 жыл бұрын
Or just some scenes them just being friends , but i guess the point is they grew apart or something and need to reconnect somehow. I hope, else that is not showing them being good friends for no reason.
@NeverSaySandwich12 жыл бұрын
@@marocat4749 As he pointed out in the video there seems to be no direction in the plot either. Just some smaller stories. Gone are the days of the Aqualad/Black Manta plot of season 2. No self contained episodes like the excellent season 1 episode of Kid Flash going across the USA to deliver a transplant
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@NeverSaySandwich1 you complain that there's no story but also that nothing is self contained
@NeverSaySandwich12 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 There's a balance that can be made, just like in the early seasons. 22 episodes, 6-8 are standalone, the rest are plot focused.
@Crazieyboy152 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely baffled that no one is mortified that Zatanna tricked teenagers into lifelong servitude all for the sake of selfishly spending time with her father. Let me say that again, she befriended, barley trained and manipulated TEENAGERS into a lifelong service so she could spend time with her father. How is not considered evil? And don’t bullshit me and say she told them they didn’t have to do this. They’re kids playing way out of their league with forces they haven’t even begun to understand. Why would anyone think this isn’t morally bankrupt to even consider?
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Other people have brought it up.
@disneyvillainsfan16662 жыл бұрын
You can change this show's title to DC: The Show, and *NOTHING* Would change.
@oncbtime2 жыл бұрын
honestly if young justice cant secure a bigger budget for season 5 I think they just need to stop at season 4.
@Batrstad2 жыл бұрын
The season felt mean spirited as a whole. Not in its tackle Topic, but in its lack of meaningful resolution. "Meaningful" being the note. They proved they could break their characters; but was anything built at all? Yeah this cakes under cooked
@naciabell79032 жыл бұрын
If you ask me the biggest missed oppertuntiy so far was Child herself. Beyond her simple but effective desgin, she just lacked anything interesting to her. Beyond 'Super powerful , evil magic girl'. She was fun in that she kinda treated evrything like it was a game to her sure. And it was nice to see when she lost the other lords of chaos backing that she threw a temper tantrum and isn't that diffrent to Klarion. But honestly, the biggest waste is that she had a TON of potential to be more than just 'Causes Chaos by destroying stuff'. Chaos is not inheirtly evil, just as Order is not by default good. She could of been used to showcase this perfectly. Her big point against Klarion was that he was an emobeyment/lord of Chaos...yet he was serving order basically. He was working with hte light. ORGINIZED Crime. Meaning he was failing utterly at being well. Chaotic. it would of been very interesting if, in responce to that, she wanted to destroy the LIght to fix Klarions screw up and decides to take the fight to the light directly and did a huge status quo shift in that the light is being attacked head on now by her and they need to leagues help. OR she decided to work WITH the league or team or the like to try to take down the Light. As Chaos is not inhertitly evil and she could want to get rid of the light but not just do random acts of Evil. Prefering a more 'foucused' version of Chaos in cotrast to Klarions wild and random form of it. They even explored a bit of this early on, with how she was more concentrated and foucused in how she fougth than he was.
@losersweepers.2 жыл бұрын
I think this season is doing fine so far. Artemis and M’gann & Conner’s arc were really well done but Zatanna’s arc was the only one I really had a problem with. It just was too much at one time. I feel if the episodes were longer or that if they focused more on Zatanna rather than a bunch of different magic users, it would’ve been better. For me, this season is awesome and I love it so far. I’m sure that Nightwings arc will be the best of the best and I’m so hyped for it!
@goddhoward3882 жыл бұрын
What Connor arc. He's not had any development since season 2. He's now basically just Meghan's boyfriend. And now he's not even that
@losersweepers.2 жыл бұрын
@@goddhoward388 mgann and conners arc were the same thing...
@Theo-bk6qj2 жыл бұрын
@@goddhoward388 technically he did. From a rebellious, arrogant and reckless person in season 1 to a mentor like figure in season 3 and a hero in season 4. Although his development are more minor than some of the others original characters (like Nightwing and Aqualad)
@goddhoward3882 жыл бұрын
@@losersweepers. disagree but suit yourself
@goddhoward3882 жыл бұрын
@@Theo-bk6qj and that’s my problem, he’s now just attached to the hip with Meghan and not allowed to do his own thing
@radicallaruby2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I dropped it on season 3. Too unfocused and the characters/teams I enjoyed got shifted around too much. It really sucks because I waited years for its return after the cancelation way back, and I was getting attached to it almost as much as I was to the original DCAU. Oh well. Guess I'll check out the other comic tie ins. I forgot those exist, as one of them explains why Superboy hates monkeys.
@infernalmedia17842 жыл бұрын
I am enjoying the series, I feel like they are going to build to something really awesome.
@fiel812 жыл бұрын
Like usual they're spreading themselves way too thin
@TheDopamineMan2 жыл бұрын
Artemis and m’gann waa characters we seen a lot over the past seasons while zantanna had very little screen time before so having an arc consists of her and her students felt less engaging since we didn’t connect with her as much.
@lonemotheo19642 жыл бұрын
I miss the old young justice season 1 was just solid gold I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but this is not young justice
@jammiemerriweather95432 жыл бұрын
They need to focus on the team and the light again because now it’s like they’re just there. I love the show but they need to focus on that again. Those missions they had against the light and the network of villains they were working with is what made the show in the first season then they continued that with season 2 but now it’s like they’re just trying to do too much at once. Of all the arcs Artemis was my favorite though. I like the way her story is told
@Sheaun2 жыл бұрын
Zatanna is one of my favorite DC character. I was disappointed with her arc because it was kinda all over the place. And we can definitely see the budget restraints with the limited animation, the telling us vs showing us. I think she needs her own show and a lot more character development. I was also interested in the chaos vs order thing. We have now 2 chaos lords, why not another lord of order? I thought with Child and Flaw we would at least get Amethyst whom I only recently found out is a lord of order.
@filipe199912 жыл бұрын
The two arcs was everything that i wanted when we did had a season 3. But the third arc? I never thought seeing the character assassination like that since Amazons Attack.
@davidhenriques48292 жыл бұрын
Who was assassinated?
@G-LukeJA2 жыл бұрын
Zatanna. The reason Child existed and caused the millions in death she must have caused with her volcanoes, is directly because Zatanna acted to introduce multiple avatars of Dr Fate. The Chaoes Lords saw that and tried to balance out the equation.
@paulakroy26352 жыл бұрын
Cassandra Cain + lady shiva had way bigger character assinstion
@filipe199912 жыл бұрын
@@davidhenriques4829 Zatanna, Mary Marvel, Klarion, Doctor Fate.
@filipe199912 жыл бұрын
@@paulakroy2635 How?
@ItsOver9000Productions2 жыл бұрын
It was never BAD. S1 and 2 are dope but it does get weaker in s3. S4 is weird
@theirishpotato65882 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@user-gk6nt5gi5n2 жыл бұрын
Season 2 was meh
@Don110372 жыл бұрын
Season 2 has alot more issues than season 1
@theirishpotato65882 жыл бұрын
@@Don11037 yes but it isn't bad.
@theirishpotato65882 жыл бұрын
@@user-gk6nt5gi5n no
@knghtbrd2 жыл бұрын
Zatanna's arc was kind of weak. It just was, sorry. And it felt like BB's descent into depression and substance abuse took up too much screen time for what it was. "He's really going to a dark place." "Yeah, he is." Next week, "BTW, BB's really not doing well." "Yup, he's in trouble." Then, "This dude's really in trouble." "YEAH, I KNOW, um, is somebody going to step in or … no?" Then, "Hey, if you didn't notice, the lovable green vegetarian is seriously in need of an intervention…" "LIKE SERIOUSLY?! Did you think we somehow didn't notice that yet? Why are you wasting time with this?" M'gann/Conner's arc was pretty solid. Yes, the animation suffered a little … I don't know what kind of shoestring budget they had to make things happen in, but it definitely shows in going out of their way to have everyone use telepathy… In Artemis's arc, the dark fight was again about saving dollars on animation … but it was done really cleverly. I really liked Rocket's arc-though I didn't at first. But that's next video.
@REDcelestialOMEGA2 жыл бұрын
Compare season 1 and 2. Then Compare it to seasons 3 and 4. It's like night and day. You can clearly see there budget has been lowered to a degree and it hurts to see.
@A-Oh-Trey2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much agree with your take. Overall I enjoyed season 4 more, but by the Zatanna/Chaos arc, it's back to the major problem Young Justice has been having. Too many characters, too little time with them. Who are these 3? Who's this guy? Oh, "The Stranger" I guess. OK, why are you here all the sudden? Cut away to the other plot.
@Marsh3882 жыл бұрын
It’s funny, a lot of people hated the Miss Martian arc (I loved it). As far as M’Gann having her depression somewhat resolved too quickly, that I’m glad for as we saw a different development each time we saw her. I wouldn’t want to sit around watching her mope around and do nothing several episodes straight (Beast Boy).
@tanmanstudios2 жыл бұрын
I miss the simpler times of season 1
@lanecress5742 жыл бұрын
Agree with basically everything wow, and from what I've seen, I think the idea of zatanna's arc being the weakest is pretty agreed upon in the community. It's pretty clear that the team behind young justice is just kinda bad at managing and naturally growing their world out. Which is unfortunate cuz I really do like some of their world building, such as Atlantic being founded by vandal and that apparently all metahumans are offsprings of vandal. But they clearly do know what they are doing when they restrict themselves, showed by both season one and the first two arc of this season being the strongest the series has been. Let's just hope the team can rein themselves back in with the rest of the season, but I have a feeling we will be getting some lore dumps soon with the legion of superheros being more important in the later half of the season.
@Matches9982 жыл бұрын
My main problem with the 3rd arc is how it wrapped up. The final battle was so underwhelming
@lifeline.61442 жыл бұрын
it’s bc of the animation budget
@Matches9982 жыл бұрын
@@lifeline.6144 Plot also sucked too
@demonteprice58702 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how much you know about the character but, Lady Shiva isn't a person you can simply *“arrest"* (she'd probably kill the entire precinct of wherever she'd be dropped to make an example of them while simultaneously taunting and embarrassing the heroes who thought such a foolish thing would actually work, their foolishness being paid for dearly with the life's of the police. And then she'd just disappear without a trace). Ninja cults are not to be taken lightly, they don't play by our own laws and the heroes can't just keep her detained themselves, since they DO actually care about our own laws, unless they stand in the way of protecting the whole of humanity somehow.
@LoneWolfO12 жыл бұрын
And The Light could have members in the prisons like Hugo Strange in Belle Reve for s1 and Lex as Gen. Secretary for s3 and limited what the JL could do. So I just thought if they arrested Shiva, the Light would get her out either by a person on the inside or break her out
@GraySlothPlaysGames2 жыл бұрын
When I first watched it, I thought season 3 was okay, definitely not as good as the s01 and probably a bit worse than s02. But in preparation for season 4 I rewatched it and honestly, I loved it. I really can't remember what I thought was lacking the first time. Now I think it's different from s01, but once I accepted that, I have really grown to appreciate it to the same degree as s01. I think a feature of the show that leads to disappointment is just how many characters there are vs who is getting the focus at any one time. So I think people including myself at the time were disappointed that so much of s03 was Halo and Brion when there were so many other characters we had a greater investment in that we were not seeing. But on reflection, I really like Halo, Brion, Forager, etc., and funny enough I am sad we haven't gotten more of them in s04. So I have come to the conclusion that the only problem with Young Justice as a whole is that there are not 4 million episodes that I can watch right now, which would solve the above-discribed issue with the show.
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
This show is always gonna be weird to some people in that it can change it's story structure so drastically between seasons it'll feel like a completely different show to them (honestly the only time this DIDN'T happen was S2-S3 which both have a fairly similar structure IE, you have an A. Plot with new villains that are super tied into a few members of the new cast, those members get WAAAYYY more focus than everyone else introduced, then you have B and C plots around older characters but basically ultimately the main narrative decided character focus) S1 was the most episodic but most episodes built at least a bit towards it's climax while S4 is arc based and so far all 3 arcs have been pretty damn different though there's the throughline of Conner and well for the first half his death and presumably for the second how the hell their gonna help him. I really miss Brion and Tara, thought what they did with the Markovs in S3 was really creative and setup some really interesting avenues and I wish we checked up on that more. Halo's probably gonna be on the sidelines till Apokolips and New Genesis come back into full focus id guess.
@abongilezolanipeterson55882 жыл бұрын
Gray Sloth Youg Justice must release entire arcs at a time instead of one episode at a time because the episodes are just way too short. An episode ends before you even get into the groove of things.
@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod91402 жыл бұрын
Brion no longer appears because he is an Evil King for his country, lol
@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod91402 жыл бұрын
Beast Boy earlier this season 4 even had nightmares about him using his powers for evil.
@yugakhanthelastoftheoldgod91402 жыл бұрын
and Halo and Forager dated, stopped showing up because they resolved their unfinished business on the show, so they said goodbye
@phinyo20662 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the arc format but I hate how much bouncing back and forth between characters is done in the episode as it ruins the pacing. It wasn't bad when it on Artemis, but once we got to Zatanna and we kept revisiting Beast Boy and getting narrated backstory it all just felt so drawn out. I feel like all the Phantom Stranger/Vandal/Nabu stuff could've been it's own arc it took away from Zatannas arc which I was looking forward to and it fell flat. The crisis event that occurred was so serious Stranger was there but it all felt so inconsequential and resolved easily in a way they should've known since the beginning (being that Flaw has a flaw and you need to kill the anchor).
@communitycollegeofharvard61982 жыл бұрын
I love the lofi animals chilling out at the end of the episode’s, it’s so relaxing
@GrayLanternPPA2 жыл бұрын
Weird, I loved the Zatanna arc. The more magic side of DC had never clicked for me before, but this was the first time where it got me really interested. The voice over bits gave me such a different idea for a lot of the characters, their dynamics, and how everything pieces together. It added a level of cohesion I'm not used to seeing in DC. I do agree that the presentation of that was extremely cheap though. I also completely agree with you about Zatanna's pupils. With how the arc resolved, I see why there needed to be 3 people, but I spent basically the whole time wondering who they were.
@s-wo87812 жыл бұрын
Season 4 is just okay. I'm only watching it because there are no other animated superhero shows right now. I really don't like the Beast Boy arc.
@josearias26712 жыл бұрын
Season 4 is trash. They're messing up the show. They need to get back to basics
@RK-zh1ib2 жыл бұрын
My Theories: 1. Aqualad's Arc: Should focus on Aqualad's origins and relationship with his father, Black Manta. Also, they should focus on how Black Manta went down a dark path. 2. Nightwing's Arc: Should focus on Jason Todd and Nightwing's reunion with Jason (Red Hooded Ninja) 3. Final Episodes: The remaining episodes should focus on saving Connor and meeting with the Legion of Superheroes (Why Superboy is important)
@Actconamiproduction2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Rocket, shes in the intro
@lifeline.61442 жыл бұрын
you forgot rocket lmao. she’s getting an arc too
@LightningStrike12122 жыл бұрын
It seems like at this point this isn't even a superhero show anymore, at least not in the vein of the classics. It's a live action soap opera. Why do I even care about any of these characters anymore other than the remaining investment from Season 1, when they're all just dealing with heavy stuff and never get a chance for their personalities to shine? What happened to watching charismatic heroes go on colorful fun action adventures?
@lifeline.61442 жыл бұрын
the mars arc was definitely written the best but the league of shadows arc is the strongest overall
@jordancooperlalala2 жыл бұрын
Hard, hard disagree. The Mars arc was unwatchable to me. I can't believe I got through it. I was shocked at the writing. Big fan of Greg Weisman. I have no idea how he let those scripts go to animation.
@laziash2 жыл бұрын
Young justice was my favorite piece of media ever before season 3 and it really makes me sad the way it's going
@silvertongue.242_992 жыл бұрын
Yes I am impressed with what they did with the end credit to expand on stuff like like lore and character moments even setting a tone. Not every one hit but what they did express with minimum animation or just images was nice
@tedjaphet2 жыл бұрын
This show is done forever, we can't save it cause the stories are going anywhere and they put unnecessary stuff inside. Just cancel it already i have enough of it.
@dreamy34332 жыл бұрын
I thought Zatanna's arc was going to be my favorite but Miss Martian's and Superboy's arc have been my favorite so far and Zatanna my least. Zatanna is one of my favorite dc characters but they definitely focused more on vandal and klarion rather than her. Still I loved it. Never seen Zatanna speak backwards so much in one episode alone lol.
@CalistheNick012 жыл бұрын
Feel like they are really trying to get the audience to care about beast boy. He was easily the worst character for me. The pills problem was an interesting, but his behavior on Mars was 💩
@Nocturne228 ай бұрын
They should have cut the Beast Boy stuff. Like, did ANYONE give two shits about his story?
@richardmackintosh2 жыл бұрын
This season started off nicely. Although there have been 3 arcs there is very little shown of the big picture. I liked season 1 and 2 because of how each episode built on the main plot, these 4 episode arcs are so separate from one another.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
Eh Artemis's arc is a result of Connor's death
@richardmackintosh2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 yeah but it doesn’t really connect beyond it being motivation for her to reconnect with her sister. Like in season 1 all the episodes were more or less focused on the light, season 2 the lights partners etc. rn each arc is kind of self contained. First one has some legion stuff thats not touched on and there is one scene connecting to the previous arcs in zatannas
@YoureRightIThink2 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm wondering, what's the overall plot of this season? I'm lost on whatever direction they're taking
@thewalrus452 жыл бұрын
@@YoureRightIThink Seemingly whatever the hells going on with Conner.
@jordancooperlalala2 жыл бұрын
The season started off disastrously. I'm amazed so many people liked it. What's enjoyable about watching Martians debate politics for 4 episodes? It was so boring, ugly to look at, and laughably on the nose. ...Hey this is like issues on Earth! I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
@Fightookaishii2 жыл бұрын
This season was hot dog shit, only thing that kept me in the game was Artemis's, Mgann's and Connors arcs. Beast Boys arc was interesting, but everything else was just trash. There's no plot!
@Kattlarv2 жыл бұрын
There are quite a few plotholes all over the place tbh... like, how they don't know where Mars is... somehow... the "why we can't go there" excuses get really thin tbh. One part I was really disappointed with, was how it seemed like'd we'd basically get a "therapy session" each episode. But... that didn't happen. We got like, 2 so far. Plus, I do find it kinda ironic how one of the "main" characters in the lineup, basically doesn't even show up for the entire first half of the show xP There's A LOT of inconsistency though. Also: I found it lowkey hilariously bad how they showed a monument to Kid Flash and Superboy. But... ignored *everyone* else. Like... you'd think there'd at least be *something* there at the sides, or implied... To me, one of the biggest derps in this show: Is how it KEEPS failing in trying to be "woke", is the best I can phrase it. Like: They have Halo come out as nonbinary. The very next scene: EVERYONE ignores it. And it's ignored the rest of the show. They have a character explain how to pronounce his name. EVERYONE ignores it. And this show has had things like this, over and over. It comes off as very tone deaf. That said: I do like how they handled Terra. They managed to keep her "Terra" without the usual... "supergirl treatment" to show a character aged. Plus: They are showing her hair. Which is a great reference to the abuse story they subtexted in the last season. ... I just hope they don't shart the whole thing by pulling the Black Adam arc... That said: I think they massively ruined Oracle and Orphans backstories. It became... SUPER lame. And yeah, the school bus was a funny gag. But... the rest of the whole thing was just so... imo: Badly written and forced. Like you said with the "Can't kill her mom". It's just... kinda forced plot con. I did like the lizard. But yeah... *nothing* paid off with the Chaos vs Order arc tbh. They go on and on about how there's "balance". Yet, we find out Order fiddled their thumbs for millennia while Chaos roamed free? And they REFUSE to intervene direction, instead enforce slavery? Like... Order comes off as real Richards. Not even remotely "good" tbh. And then we got Chaos... who, are just "destruction". NOTHING else. I was hoping we'd get some interesting moral conflict or... *something*. Like: Child teaming up with the Outsiders, since the Outsiders are "chaos" for not following rules. And she tries to destroy the Light, since the Light is Order. AND: What "corrupted" the prior avatar of Chaos. Or, you know: Doing some actual chaos. Not just... try to destroy the ENTIRE planet... And WHY would Savage need to tell Order and Chaos, that: If Chaos destroys the universe... there can no longer be any chaos? Atop that: How is Order even remaining when Chaos is like, x10 stronger? Plus: I was a bit "eh" on how Child seemed to just be their new "Halo" to show off gore. And... it was partially true. But, they at least did *something* to Klarion. So it wasn't as one sided. They seem to have tried to balance their gore out a bit. But, still are VERY derp with it. The arc was overall just, *very* messy. And tried to pull stuff it didn't earn. ... atop having some VERY shoehorned messages in there... BB has been one of the biggest dumbs so far in the show. Like: You're telling us that he's been like that for MONTHS. And... no-one cares? There's just... A LOT of fiddling with and ignoring established rules of the universe. (Like Fate's tower.) All seemingly just... "because". Maybe they will touch on the backstory and stuff but like... so far: They established stuff. Directly contradict and conflict with said stuff.. and has characters do purely idiotic things to excuse plot arcs that have no reason to happen to begin with, really. I'm just really confused where it is going...
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
Them not being able to get to Mars wasn't because they didn't know where it was. It was because they had no way of getting there quickly without teleporters.
@Kattlarv2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 They *HAD* teleporters. Their excuse given was "We don't know the exact cordinates, what if we teleport into a mountain?". 1: You have *several* people that wouldn't care IF teleported into a mountain. 2: You could teleport into space, *above* mars. And then fly down from there. 3: While actually risky: They could teleport to the *exact* location of the last teleporter. But, that would again: Be slightly offset by sending someone that doesn't care about being teleported into solid objects. It would however: Be a risk for those on mars.
@mikemorro1402 жыл бұрын
@@Kattlarv They had Cyborg who had never been to Mars so he couldn't teleport there
@loleo1232 жыл бұрын
Bruh. My critique for Young Justice are so close to yours it's really jarring! Lmao
@benvaun13302 жыл бұрын
I understand your saying about the speed running. but the whole part with M'gann, she is on a bio ship for 3 months. Do you know what kind of a melt down people would have being forced to watch any length of that more than we did. She was on a small ship with her sister and uncle for 3 months.
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
He already discussed that.
@venomousloser45232 жыл бұрын
1 month not 3
@ArcTrooperRod-2692 жыл бұрын
THE ANSWER *YES, IT'S HORRIBLE & UNWATCHABLE*
@itsodaliscious19352 жыл бұрын
Uggghhhh I counted FOUR separate instances of someone saying, "Why do you tell me what I already know?" It became a running joke in my head, honestly. Such clunky technique for relaying exposition...
@michaelmonroe21482 жыл бұрын
Season two was the peak, young justice is trash now
@alessandrosousa59172 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you accept requests, but could you please make a "Is Static Shock As Great As We Remember"? I'm asking this specially because of how Static's character was DUMPED in the Young Justice series.
@Jake-tp7ct2 жыл бұрын
yeah they really REALLY dropped the ball with z’s arc, which is so disappointing because she’s such a cool charcater that’s had very little (if any) development since season 1. mary was super annoying, but i’m still excited to see where it goes (although knowing this show we’ll probably never see her again :)) traci was annoying and bland, and honestly who cares at all about khalid? at least he was the least annoying of the 3. at least klarion was funny?
@kamikaze55282 жыл бұрын
They'll turn Mary into the awful evil Mary Marvel from Final Crisis. Let's just hope they do a better job than Morrison did.
@Step430992 жыл бұрын
To be fair Mary was supposed to be in Season 2 but was cut since they had less episodes
@zjmstrash71812 жыл бұрын
I guess the only reason they introduced Khalid is too have him take over the mantle of doctor fate, since that happened in the comics. Kidna have a feeling that he could be a permanent host. Or atleast a very prominent one. Even though he was the least interesting he seemed too have his shit together and was the most mature. But they didn't exactly do much with him.
@chorliteshatter2 жыл бұрын
honestly i felt the most out of Zatanna's arc in that little after clip they show at the end of episodes. When he mentions the long night. That hit me. Though when you mentioned all these plot points after this season has ended it only now hit me how disjointed the plot is.... I don't even know where it's heading right now lol
@sheltondaal64252 жыл бұрын
While I think the arc focused approach is a vast improvement from S3 (I also enjoyed the first two quite a bit), I also wonder about the overarching plot of the show. It's particularly frustrating because the shows creators have said that they didn't write this season with any conclusion in mind and they just hope the show keeps on going. That's nice and all, but seems like it's an excuse to keep treading water while the overall quality still hasn't reached the heights of the first two seasons. So now if it gets cancelled (which I have a lurking feeling it might) we won't even have a proper conclusion despite the fact that they were giving TWO FULL SEASONS after their initial cancellation to leave their fans with some sort of satisfactory conclusion.
@TwilightWolf0322 жыл бұрын
I stopped caring for Young Justice years ago. Season 1 was great, just a bunch of teenagers wanting to prove themselves worthy of being called heroes while learning to deal with challenges they may not ready to fight against and figuring out how to work as a team of equally hot-headed and emotional kids with heavy burdens on their shoulders. After season 2 started with a time skip and nearly everything was different, I started feeling disconnected from the show. Season 3 only made things worse by jumping the shark. I couldn't remember who the characters were without their costumes (and most of them didn't wear costumes in that season), couldn't figure out who was the clone and who wasn't, stopped caring for relationships, and the supposedly emotional moments didn't do jack for me. Now that I see your view on season 4, I see no reason to get back to the series. The first half may have been good, but it still has the same issues season 3 was plagued with, and at this point I have been disconnected from the series for so long, I just don't care anymore. I will always love season 1, and sometimes go back to rewatch it, but I honestly couldn't care about the rest of the series! Great review, by the way!
@xtrlsidma2 жыл бұрын
For lady Shiva. They couldnt just arrest her. They had no evidence of any crime she committed. Like both Batman and Lex said last season knowing and proving is two different things
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@jordancooperlalala2 жыл бұрын
The opening credits of the show get funnier and funnier. "Not about that character. Not about that one either. Or that one. Or that one."
@theavatarkal2 жыл бұрын
S3 and S4 are absolute trash, unfortunately...
@bearjuncture2 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s still bad, they learned nothing from last season it was so boring.
@Keihzaru2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Zatanna arc was very weak. It was trying to speed run development for 3 newly introduced characters and the pacing was just a complete mess. And I really liked the first 2 arcs, and I even liked Season 3, but this Zatanna arc was really really rough.
@Manganization2 жыл бұрын
What development? That arc was mostly focused on Zatanna and Savage than any other character. Zatanna got development, the others just were setup for something later on.
@Keihzaru2 жыл бұрын
@@Manganization Zatanna's disciples are all given a sequences where they overcome their issues with a climatic resolution and even speech.... that just so happens to also be the only time we hear them talk some times. Like it was trying to get the climax of these new characters but we never saw their journey. It gets specially weird with Khalid who doesn't even look like he is any character from DC, just some dude in sweatpants that we are told is good at magic and he gets the more "heroic" speech, which also informs us for the first time what his conflict was (His faith vs his ability with magic vs his career as a doctor, which was never even hinted at before).
@Manganization2 жыл бұрын
@@Keihzaru tbh, I slept through that segment and had no desire to go back to it. Khalid is an actual DC character and the current Dr. Fate in the comics, so I knew it was gonna happen eventually, but man are these kids so uninteresting and boring. My mind glossed over the moment I realised yet another cast of characters were being introduced. I love Klarion and I enjoyed Child, but this arc really is some of the worst stuff I've seen from the series in terms of structure.
@Keihzaru2 жыл бұрын
@@Manganization Did Khalid in the comics had any other identity before becoming Dr Fate? Because really just having a dude in Sweat pants around Zatanna, 13 and Mary Marvel really made him come off as extremely out of place, like he was an extra or something.
@zjmstrash71812 жыл бұрын
@@Keihzaru From what I know in the comics he was already a sorcerer of some sorts and had appercances in the comics before becoming doctor fate mainly only being there because he's directly related too kent. And then he became Fate in a Comic run. So I guess? But he's mainly just known as one of the newer hosts.
@ValentineCorp2 жыл бұрын
Love this video! Can’t wait for your review of the second half of the season once we get that!
@masido4432 жыл бұрын
Maybe the reason of focus switch on Zatanna arc was Zatanna? Come to think about it: since her late enough appearance in season 1 Zatanna was a pretty good character: she had her interests, she was great addition to the team (now they had proper magician), she had a good drama with her dad and etc. Then in season 2 they completely dropped her development by making her JL member and used as side character. However, in season 3 they attempted to "uplift" her from overloaded stuck of characters they already had. As everything in season 3 it was "normal" or meh at best. And now, in season 4, they (creators crew) finally came back to her fully. And what do we find? Pretty much a mess! Zatanna on moment of season 4 have the same issues she had in season 1 (also lost somewhat of a "charm" she had then), but on top of that she now has some (in my opinion) questionable decisions made like participating in treaking Artemis to "help" her let Wally go. Now we can add to that tricking her students in being Nabu's host and forsakening Mary (because she hadn't cared enough about her from the start, I suppose). Now that she saved her father, what can we say about her? What there's of Zatanna beside daddy issues?
@Remix-pr4xd2 жыл бұрын
And that she is apparently willing to use and manipulate kids to get what she wants.
@marocat47492 жыл бұрын
Regrets about mary likely, and her dismissing mary is pretty fair as mary is an addict and i suppose she should have seen the red flags before, but her feeding on her teammates twice, hers is probably dealing with not seen that earlier. She didnt trick them, khalid i quite willing , and her other one i hope gets an out if he wants, but if, fine , she is old enough. Its the best pragmatic solution tonot let what happen to her dad happen to others forward too.
@masido4432 жыл бұрын
@@marocat4749 Still, she left Mary (power-addict mage) without any watch which led to Mary coming to Granny Goodness. Agree about Khalid, but Tracy definitely doesn't know what she's doing exactly. Zatanna paved a path for her and she followed it.
@peytonweber762 жыл бұрын
I think overall the season is better but yeah the Zatanna arc is rough. The first three episodes especially felt pretty boring at times. I liked the last two of the arc better though when they started focusing on Zatanna and Zatarra.
@blackkitty3692 жыл бұрын
I do agree Zatanna was the weakest part of the season.
@alphaomega84572 жыл бұрын
I think Young Justice is a show that gets worse with every season. Not that I think it's bad. I still enjoy Young Justice but there is a noticeable quality drop with each season. I thought season 3 was ok. I really like the first 2 arcs of season 4 and it seemed like this season would actually be better then season 3 instead of continuing the pattern of getting worse. But then the Zatanna arc happened. The only good part about it was Child. I find them to be an entertaining villain but the rest of the arc is a mess. Despite us calling it the Zatanna arc, it feels like she hardly developed or got any focus because we had to introduce so many new characters and jump back between Vandal and the aftermath of the Mars arc. I feel like the only thing I learned about Zatanna in this arc is that she is a bad teacher/mentor. This arc alone doesn't ruin the whole season though. I hope the rest of the season's quality is more similar to the first 2 arcs which I personally really liked. I hope we have a story with the characters from season 3 at some point instead of dropping them like we did with the new team from season 2 in season 3.
@Rachel-zv9tu2 жыл бұрын
I watch young Justice but my head hurts after episode switch another arc then switch and switch I can't understand it anymore