Is your mouse grip holding you back?
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Күн бұрынHow you should hold your mouse is something I see discussed a lot online, with countless people claiming to have found the objective answer to the question by looking at the changes in aim each grip causes. So, how can mouse grip not matter if the one you use does have an objective impact on how you aim?
I hope this vid is helpful to anyone who's struggled with overthinking mouse grip, copying pro player's grips is something I did for ages to try and find what was the best for aim. It's not strictly harmful to try stuff out but trying to force my hand into positions that weren't comfortable was super bad for my wrist health in the long run and I was much better off both mechanically and health wise just letting my hand rest how it wants to naturally. I hope this vid saves someone from going through the hand injury I went through.
If you are having hand pains, I recommend checking out @1HP They make great resources and wrist exercises that address issues caused by gaming and they've helped a lot for me and others I know :D
Also, no hate to any of the youtubers shown in those panning shots of the youtube search I used. The videos chosen were just what showed up on the search results and I get why ppl use titles like that, it gets views, I just think it's important to address these misconceptions when they pop up.
Also also, I am SO sorry if this vid looks bad, I was stuck in a loop of rendering and crashing for like 8 hours and ended up having to export the vid in 9 parts and stitch them all together which is why there might be more visual bugs and weird artifacting than usual, sry abt that but I didn't want to spend any longer sitting there trying to get vegas to work 😭
Discord - / discord
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:22 - Grip styles
1:27 - Is fingertip the best grip?
2:27 - The tradeoffs of claw grip
3:37 - How can mouse grip not matter?
4:35 - How mouse impacts grip choice
5:15 - The importance of comfort
6:18 - Other times you should change grip
7:04 - Conclusion
Music
Arrival - dryhope
Obscurity - Chris Mazuera
somewhere else - dryhope
Peripherals/Settings
Mouse: OP1 8k
Mousepad: Artisan Zero Soft/Artisan Shidenkai xSoft
Keyboard: Wooting 60HE Modded
Headset: AKG 702
Microphone: Rode Procaster
Sensitivity: About 37cm but I change often
Resolution: 1920x1080 in everything but cs, 1440x1080 for cs
@gitgud1555 Ай бұрын
She remembered the upload button LETSSGOOOOO!!!!!
@marcychai Ай бұрын
WAKE UP NEW VISCOSE VIDEO JUST DROPPED
@baldfps Ай бұрын
YIPPEE
@angrybruce4770 Ай бұрын
i have realized another ignored reason for hand pain after long uses of mouse is, the height distance between desk and chair, it creates a lot of issue sometimes and we ignore it and think it is hand or mouse, great stuff as always though. very informative.
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
thank u! thats a good point yea, i dont feel qualified to talk abt it in a video but what ive found is that if i stick my forearm out 90 degrees the desk should be just about under it without any straining. whats been ur experience with this?
@angrybruce4770 Ай бұрын
@@ViscoseOCE i have been struggling in this height issue for years, finally i got my desk height reduced and what i found a good relaxing position for long hours is where chair height is consistent with these condition : 1-feet should be able to touch ground with 70-80 degree angle to keep it relaxed 2-upper arm should make a down 80-90% angle and lower arm should be on desk without much pressure and no lifting obvious to keep hand relaxed 3-screen top should be making a straight line with your eye angle,or monitoir can be a bit lower, becasue its hard to look up but much easy to look down 4-monitor distance with eyes should be close enough so you don't go closer to screen while playing. but it you should be able to see full screen with rotating your neck. i prefer good longevity option, i am still exploring with my experience and time, hope these point makes sense.
@paleopasha Ай бұрын
@@ViscoseOCE That's around the height i've settled on too and seems to be what most ergonomics experts recommend. I used the G602 for a while and was always sitting way too low. it absolutely murdered my wrist. Thank god I changed mice, and the way I sat.
@Cqntemplate Ай бұрын
Struth has a couple really good videos on how posture affects your aim
@Lanurus Ай бұрын
Just yesterday I put together my desk from Ikea because I felt this was a problem for me. Combined height of the legs and desk is about 25" which is a lot more comfortable compared to my previous desk of 30". A lot of legs for desks don't adjust that low which is such a shame because I feel that a lot of people will use a desk that is too high because they cant even easily test one at a lower possibly more comfortable position.
@vous2186 Ай бұрын
"Be water my friend"
@hsmoothie4477 Ай бұрын
Damn i missed your videos. Have rewatched your old ones like 10 times just cause they're so satisfying
@LabedaSH Ай бұрын
This is really interesting and insightful, when I'm aim training I always found myself changing my grip in some way depending on what I was training and it made me think I was doing it to chase a new highscore rather than trying to improve. Thanks for talking about this!
@mccraftingtablelmao6204 Ай бұрын
thank you so much, i finally decide to stop copying whatever grip i saw you used from your last highlight and go whatever comfortable for me, palm for flick and claw for tracking, no more tiring and my performance also skyrocket
@InfyPooh Ай бұрын
This was a great video! I’ve been struggling with overthinking this lately. Actually just took every single anxiety I had about it away
@DinoPDX Ай бұрын
Amazing quality as always 🙌🏾
@HaraFPS Ай бұрын
Your videos are always well made and very informative, always worth watching.
@ieJauxii 8 күн бұрын
thank you! you're perspective has steadily improved my aim!
@SeptFPS Ай бұрын
So deep about this topic, i used to play g50'2 and still in palm grip at a gpx, moving to op18k, feels like im going to face the same situation because its time to try claw, great video vis!
@ZlukkZlukkZlukk Ай бұрын
Another great vid! I've missed this high quality content.
@bruhhhj2947 Ай бұрын
I really hope you continue to upload more of these videos or longer videos of your gameplay like the apex scrims, they are very enjoyable to watch!
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
i didnt know anyone actually watched vids like the apex scrims ones haha, thanks! ill give it some thought
@gearvanguard Ай бұрын
Awesome vid once again Vis! For some reason I always felt like I “should” switch to claw grip for balance at the back of my mind, so hearing this really helps me just full send fingertip, thanks for that!
@MrEthos Ай бұрын
I actually noticed that after getting a smaller mouse and adding those adhesive rubber grips on the main buttons, my mouse grip went from a palm grip to a weird claw fingertip variation... that fits me perfectly, as weird as that combo may sound. also glad that you finally found that dusty old note with your password on it
@Riqy36 Ай бұрын
already know this video is gonna be another classic viscose banger, W
@d.e8516 Ай бұрын
Viscose I missed your video so muchhhh! Actually helpful to have a decent insight from proven aimer on mouse grip cuz ive been struggling on mine. tyty
@ManPhalanges Ай бұрын
I just recently discovered your channel through your mouse pad speed google doc + Orbital project you're a part of. Great stuff! The aim training subreddit can be a bit elitist, but your content is informative and chill, so thank you! Also great BFV clips! Battlefield's comp & creator scene leaves a lot to be desired.
@heycat33 Ай бұрын
another great and informative video by Viscose!
@8lec_R Ай бұрын
This is the first video on the topic that makes sense to me. Thankyou
@iitzkris Ай бұрын
Really well made viscose. Keep it up!
@sn3akyninjaz Ай бұрын
Thank you , Ive been thinking about my grip lately and you have given me a better picture about this topic. I might try out the fingertip grip but if it doesnt work im gonna stick to my claw grip
@xinqoh Ай бұрын
MISSED THE UPLOADS MY GOAT WELCOME BACKK
@naaicedlc Ай бұрын
Thanks for the new vid. It would be great if you made a video on how to train your aim, for newbs and advanced players
@veirnon3822 21 күн бұрын
This was very helpful. I obsess over grip and you addressed all the reasons why I obsess over it so thanks a bunch! Now I just wish I could understand how you control recoil. Maybe some day. 🥰
@Rudi-Brudi Ай бұрын
Switched recently from years of fingertip to claw because i never got rid of shaky flicks. Now it feels like the perfect balance of stability and range of motion.
@lazosful Ай бұрын
YO i loved the music in the bg always been a fan of those lofi artists and just makes the vid more pleasant overall i think
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
ty!! im rly glad ppl do notice those haha, ill keep including similar songs :>
@Akemic Ай бұрын
Great vid Vis, looking forward to another stream
@kyriua_3422 Ай бұрын
very nice topic and video ! well done !!
@Leo-jp9ii Ай бұрын
That would explain why I've been struggling with trying different grip styles with my g502. It seems so obvious but I never really thought about it.
@_Cuquii Ай бұрын
been playing fingertip all my life and now switched to palmgrip after watching this video and i feel so much comfortable on val. with fingertip on tacfps i seem to tense and my aim goes everywhere but with palmgrip it makes me control the mouse. great video ♥
@Swans99 Ай бұрын
Great video again as usual
@Sandmanfps_ Ай бұрын
Great video Viscose
@MightyAims Ай бұрын
W educational video as always. I find that my grip changes depending on the kind of aiming im doing as well. I notice when I play static scenarios or tack fps games, I would gravitate naturally towards a fingertip grip because the micro adjustments fingertip gives in those aiming scenarios are nessesary to perform well for me.
@undertaker59 Ай бұрын
Very nice and informative vid!
@fizen 17 күн бұрын
A thing that helped me with choosing a grip style and mouse later on was Rocket Jump Ninjas videos and website. He goes very in-depth about every aspect of a mouse and your grip.
@JarJarBongs Ай бұрын
goated video as usual!
@1stike150 Ай бұрын
Great video, detailed and fantastic explanation of why there is no perfect grip!
@muxsson769 Ай бұрын
I have something like a finger-claw grip where the ring finger is at the very beginning of the mouse and the little fingers are below the middle.. I don’t know why, but it’s really convenient for me to hold it like that. When I try to pick up the mouse as you showed, my sight starts to shake. But from time to time I will try to learn how to hold the mouse with all the grips that you showed in this video. Thanks for the video, it really helps me understand because there are very few videos on this topic
@MakS-xm9nx Ай бұрын
I just switched to a much wider mouse and this makes so much sense rn! Ok, back to not thinking about it.
@Misrok 25 күн бұрын
damn, I was always under the mindset that your grip should always be exactly the same every time so I'm glad you said it can be malleable
@211Mik3 Ай бұрын
Nice mouse pad and great video!
@uszateq2956 Ай бұрын
realy good video as always
@wrathcs Ай бұрын
viscose upload the day couldn't get better
@Atsushimi- Ай бұрын
New Viscose information video 😋
@somaoof Ай бұрын
Another banger thankyou!
@quakeplusplus Ай бұрын
Knuckle claw with a glove - upper palm (knuckle) contact for extra stability + glove to reduce friction between the mouse and skin for easier vertical motion. Works well with some other claw and palm variants also depending on the mouse shape (more so with ergos). Mouse stays straight because of the shape of the hand/palm, not because of skin and mouse friction. Glove material matters for the amount of preferred friction.
@Adamsgotgame Ай бұрын
Great video ❤
@barisgsk 21 күн бұрын
I feel like more people should talk about the angle you hold your mouse. In my opinion its as important as your grip. I hold my mouse slightly tilted to the left which makes my flicks towards that side harder while also not allowing me to use my side buttons for example. I use it mainly because its comfortable and holding the mouse perfectly upwards causes wrist pain for me.
@schnid1561 Ай бұрын
Hey Viscose! I was wondering if you could do a video on the state of FPS games, which ones are your favorite currently, and maybe just an overview of some of the bigger titles, as well maybe upcoming releases you're excited about. Would love to see that!
@verhREQUIEM Ай бұрын
i fweakin love your videos viscous
@Terra101 Ай бұрын
Shape and sensor position will also have a role in how you end up gripping your mouse. I'm a claw gripper but can't grip the GPX for example because its shape doesn't really allow it. It kinda forces you to fingertip or palm it.
@KEVINEITOR-0303 Ай бұрын
hello!!! I am a new subscriber and the way you aim in any game is incredible. It is surprising. The dedication I give to games personally is high, not as high as you, but I definitely do it. Now I have a very significant problem and I think I am not the only one who has this problem. How do I do if I'm very good at Counter Strike and in Valorant I don't feel the same sensitivity. The change in sensitivities in different games is super strange and it's not exactly known if it's because of the cm length or just the sensation of microcorrections or long flicks.
@kizu5234 Ай бұрын
WOOOOH YOU UPLOADED AGAIN !!
@yinx9 Ай бұрын
I've been going through the same journey and for the longest time was using some weird pincer claw grip. Target acquisition was very good, but tracking stability was dog. I now settled for claw grip too after many hours of practising and going through many mice. I now settled for both a Viper v3 Pro and an OP1 8K which is also in the video I believe.
@DonnyDonnMendoza Ай бұрын
nice to see you press the upload button. big brain ideas presented here as always
@UnnamedThe 7 күн бұрын
Basically, look up the "there's no free lunch" theorem.
@rubendemaertelaere6108 Ай бұрын
LETS GOOOO SHE FOUND THE UPLOAD BUTTON!!!!!
@jug-eun Ай бұрын
Your point about fingertip grip making your aim shaky when you tense your fingers is exactly why my aim became 5x better when I started using 10cm/360 sens. Before I used to play on around 20cm/360, which is still high, but my problem was that I kwpt tensing my fingers to do flicks, which ended up massively hindering my overall aim. Ever since I switched to a 10cm/360 which meant I could casually make flicks without much effort, and practice on precision my aim became 5x better.
@garskocheating Ай бұрын
very usefull information
@babylaaamp2809 Ай бұрын
Since I started using a mouse I always grip like between claw and fingertip and later found it is pincer claw grip, Cant believe I grip like this from kid to now
@williamkhodadin5997 Ай бұрын
You can tell she was embarrased to say she was using the g502 because you can hear her giggle when saying was
@kiyoponnn 17 күн бұрын
the type of mouse grip is not important, the only thing that matters are good muscle memory and always having a relaxed grip.
@MissColourz Ай бұрын
Okay but is it grippy?
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
wouldnt u like to know :P
@zetabreak Ай бұрын
Bro 💀
@layla8867 Ай бұрын
pin this
@baldfps Ай бұрын
alright budster
@HAZARDxdxd Ай бұрын
😭😭😭
@TMKM Ай бұрын
incredibly good video
@wxsteful7157 Ай бұрын
amazing video!! if you could recommend. what would you say is the most optimal grip for low sens of 80-105cm in your opinion? thank you
@sorafuyuu Ай бұрын
HOORAY VISCOSE UPLOAD
@nathan_khj Ай бұрын
saving this for when i have an off day and want to change my mouse grip and swap to different mice 999999 times
@NekoMajoTV Ай бұрын
Yippeee!! new video :D
@monstwrclaw7964 Ай бұрын
Nah Viscose videos are actually such good topics with such good coverage
@hawkeye3160 Ай бұрын
I found this video very helpful I have had so many mouse grip problems for 2 years, I have tried so many different things. My natural mouse grip hurts the right side of my hand and can hurt near my shoulder blade this could be because I don’t use my fingers when aiming and I don’t know how to fix that. But with my natural mouse grip I can aim the best so switching never really felt right and my aim was always terrible. It could be time for a new mouse but I could just be holding the mouse wrong entirely. Also I use a kinda relaxed claw grip where my hand is holding more of the right side of my mouse, I’m using the glorious model o wireless.
@Infact77 Ай бұрын
my natural mouse grip is a palm grip but for some reason I hold it with my hand more to the left which makes me hold my mouse a little inclined to the left. I'm entirely used to it though and it works great for me, though I have considered making adjustments in the past
@layla8867 Ай бұрын
another viscose banger!!!
@brinks2469 Ай бұрын
The reasons for switching to fingertip grip make me think of using mouse acceleration (not the windows enhanced pointer precision but one that sets the acceleration curve to something predictable)
@owlfury-beast Ай бұрын
Well, in my opinion there's one more thing at least to add into the equation of mouse grip. You're spot on with "if no grip feels right, start experimenting with shapes". I'd say that not only shapes, but also a big thing: posture. Having the base of the palm on or off the mousepad, forearm pronation/supination and so on. But at the same time 100% agree there's little to no benefit of overthinking it. Like I tried to put grip tape on the spots I placed my fingers at one day, and the next day I played worse. Probably just because of having that conscious stress of placing my fingers on that grip tape haha. Just an example for some context: I used to play with an MX518 with a 1-3-1 and a hover for a long time. When the mouse broke I couldn't use any other shape thinking I'm an alien. It took me a couple of years of playing through pain with different shapes to realize that my right shoulder posture should be corrected (it was rotated forward and dropped low). Right now I can use any mouse and any grip with reasonable comfort just because the whole chain of shoulder, forearm, wrist and palm are in a much better position 😱
@vantanay Ай бұрын
her voice is so calming to listen to
@yashizuki Ай бұрын
Viscose Your channel is very good, don't stay without posting for a long time pls 😆
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
ill try my best! cant promise anything though, this last absence was bc i got sick 3 times LOL
@creaturedanaaaaa Ай бұрын
the goat has returned
@jag2871 Ай бұрын
yeah finally a new upload 😍
@bourjuva Ай бұрын
ur sound so calming
@Hyperion9700 Ай бұрын
Forget Aiming. This Editing is smooth 👀
@Katze822228 Ай бұрын
I use a similar grip, I relaxed fingertip as a baseline and whenever I do faster motions I usually have palm contact. The area where my palm contacts even changes depending on the position of the mouse relative to my hand. Many years ago I used palm grip when I was playing on a very slow mousepad and a mouse with a thick, heavy wire and I automatically transitioned to that new grip over time when I replaced the wire with a paracord and got a faster mousepad. Around that time I wanted to get a new mouse so I was trying to figure out what grip I was using and I was super confused because my new grip was changing between fingertip and claw but I still sometimes palmed the mouse back then so I basically used all 3 grip styles. And I'm still not sure if my current grip is more of a fingertip or a claw grip. I guess it's both.
@didsen1 Ай бұрын
when i game, like dependable on what genra of games, i change my grip on mouse, and sometimes while in a match i change grib style, like if my hand feel uncortable in that position for to loong, than i change it abit to like have a more comfortable grib while also aim decently (with my newbie aim) but in a generally sens, working on adaptabillity, is a good way to get a better understanding of ur mouse, and how u wanna aim in a game, like what sens and dpi feels right, i tend to play games over meny different genra, so i rather work on learning to fast adapt to things than going for like the constant same sens and dpi, i adapt to how fast im aiming and games while also feeling how much i wanna move my mouse from side to side
@karmen2023 Ай бұрын
Can i ask you does your ads sens in apex is the same in mw3 and what it is is it realtive or lagacy and what number?
@sepkarimi Ай бұрын
I genuinely think you're one of, if not the only youtuber who genuinely knows what they're talking about when it comes to improvement on your aiming mechanics. Might be bias because I've had almost exactly the same experiential learning moments while reaching the upper echelon mechanically. What are your thoughts on the floating wrist claw (d0nk, tenz)? been messing with it and man... the lack of friction and pressure downwards might actually improve both speed and control, it might actually be the "secret mouse grip" for any game lmfao.
@Kasspirr Ай бұрын
I call my grip "relaxed, tilted claw" or "pencil claw". I tend to grip my mouse in a way I'd hold a pencil. Because I sit ergonomically I have to tilt my hand in order to prevent bone cross in my wrist. Also, my pinky finger sticks outwards by about 3mm, so any mouse with hourglas shape/front flare outs cause me extreame pain and discomfort. I've found only 2 mice that don't cause me any discomfort/stiffness and those are 1. Haste 2 Mini and 2. OP1we. It was a long journey through 15+ different gaming mice.
@CarelessBF Ай бұрын
yet another based and aware video from Viscose. Very informative video 👍
@Aerobrake Ай бұрын
Thank you for making an objectively correct video and debunking the rabbithole's clickbait
@johnemanuelsson31 Ай бұрын
As a fingertip enjoyier I think claw grip is also really good. It's up to individual preferences and the mouse you are using. Unfortunately, most mice don't have a very good shape for fingertip grip.
@YngHstlr Ай бұрын
Banger
@SaintGGod Ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid
@WallahNein 28 күн бұрын
What I always felt is the way you aim makes a way bigger differences. I'm used to playing CS playing with a fingertip grip and just moving my wrist, but everytime I come back to Apex I have to train myself on moving my whole arm again, because you just can't track that well with just wrist movement.
@REALAWPP Ай бұрын
She’s backkk
@Defiancy Ай бұрын
Hey do you stare at the target for all scenarios or just tracking scenarios? Idk if I'm overthinking it but target conformation feels better in static scenarios and games ilke Valorant when focusing on the crosshair rather than the target. Part of me wants to focus on the target instead though because ever since I started focusing on the target in tracklng heavy scenarios/games, my aims improved drastically. I'm confused on whether you should always focus on the target, which would benefit you in the long run, or just do what's best per scenario.
@iitsMikeB Ай бұрын
I had sort of the same process, except I never palmed (my hands are too big to palm any mouse), but I went from Clawing a deathadder, to Clawing a Sensei 310, to fingertipping a GPW, to finally Hybrid claw-fingertipping a GPX, and here I am today. Ok maybe I simplified it a bit, since I've owned more mice, but that's the process in a nutshell.
@dupx Ай бұрын
yes a viscose upload
@SerChiang Ай бұрын
great video, I agree with your thoughts. From my personal experience and understanding, mouse grip does not matter (and i mean you shouldn't think about it). I believe mouse shapes matter way more like you covered. The real issue you should worry about is how you use ur arm and wrist to move the mouse in whatever game/situation. It's way more important to find a mouse you like shape wise and just try it out. The more you use it, your grip will slowly gravitate to its comfort state. If you don't, find whats the issue and look for a mouse that reduces the uncomfortability.
@aSuperPi. Ай бұрын
I am an Overwatch 2 Player and I have definitely had the most success with fingertip grip just because how much movement you have to make compared to other games.
@ImyShin Ай бұрын
YIPEE new video!
@Slambars94k Ай бұрын
My mouse grip and mouse type was easy for me., plastics make my hand sweat so nothing in my palm was a comfort must.. thus I am a pincer claw/fingertip mouse enjoyer
@Slambars94k Ай бұрын
My only question is.. ZA13c wireless when ?
@ViscoseOCE Ай бұрын
we can only dream :(
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