ISLAM AND TOLERANCE IN SPAIN - THE JEWISH GOLDEN AGE - WOTW EP 6 P 3

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Flash Point History

Flash Point History

6 жыл бұрын

Tolerance in Islamic Spain is a fiercely debated subject. Was Spain under the Moors a period of enlightened co-existence between the three major religions of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism? Did these people come together to build an advanced society where 'convivencia' existed? Or was this all just a myth that is perpetuated by revisionist historians?
The story continues as the mighty caliphate is gone - but its legacy continues and the Jewish Golden Age begins.
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@rossusarnulfus7552
@rossusarnulfus7552 5 жыл бұрын
I like that final scene - Muslims, Jews and Christians, great men all of them, stand near each other representing glory of al-Andalus. Your channel is great!)
@btsloverkpop6500
@btsloverkpop6500 3 жыл бұрын
muslims jews and christian they belong to same ancestor but still they fight they all are abrahamic faith all arise from middle east they are brother religion
@thefool1086
@thefool1086 Жыл бұрын
@@btsloverkpop6500 The middle east wasn't even a concept in the middle ages.
@realjsk
@realjsk 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this yet another great effort to shed some light on this era of our human history. I enjoy these videos a lot. I believe that it might have helped to bring the audience closer to the real picture if you gave a few comparisons with the common practice in other kingdoms of that age. In other words, were there other kingdoms where the king was of one religion and his wazir or chief of the army was of another? Without such a comparison, some viewers may subconsciously compare the situation with nowadays standards, and so miss the point. Thanks again. Great work!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 3 жыл бұрын
I would say that most local communities figured out a way to co-exist - if out of necessity rather than any moral obligation. But with any major movement of peoples from one spot to another, xenophobia would be the norm - take the crusades for example
@JaLiberal
@JaLiberal 6 жыл бұрын
While the achievemets in science and culture of Islamic Al Andalus are priceless, after watching all episodes I lean towards thinking that it was a tolerant state as long as it benefited the rulers. And for the long it it did. However, for Christian and Jewish communities it was like walking on a knife's edge because they didn't know when the muslim rulers will benefit from praching hatred to their own. It's like the moment the taifas got weak, the tolerance vanished which makes you question if it was real to begin with. Anyway Al Andalus must have been a wonderful place to see and visit in it's prime. I have been to Grenada last year and the Alhambra is just amazing.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent insight - the fate of the Christian and Jewish communities was directly tied into the prosperity of the state. The real test of any state is how it does during times of stress - even in ‘enlightened’ countries. For example, during WW2 the United States had her own citizens in internment camps. I think if you take Al Andalus and compare her to her contemporaries, she was indeed socially advanced.
@originalulix
@originalulix 5 жыл бұрын
@@mitchtherighteous Nice strawmen. Someone trigerred by facts? Sorry dude, facts don't care about your feelings.
@rafthejaf8789
@rafthejaf8789 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you write Christian and Jewish with capital letters(as you should) but Muslim with a small m? I think this says something about your subconscious thinking. Anyway you write , "I lean towards thinking that it was a tolerant state as long as it benefited the rulers." Well yes, it has been that way throughout history and remains true today. The point is not to put Islamic Spain on a pedestal but simply to include it fully in the teaching of history. The reason this has been so difficult for the ruling class in Western Europe to do this is in a way quite simple. It's because the medieval Christian world of Europe was in reality a copy of the Muslim world of the same period. It was natural for Europe to have done this because the knowledge that the Islamic world introduced, in terms of science, art, philosophy and engineering was too powerful to be ignored. However it led to a feeling of vulnerability in the elites of Europe and the subsequent inventions of self through notions of purity and uniqueness that unfortunately linger on to this day.
@originalulix
@originalulix 4 жыл бұрын
@BLUE DOG You're pretty stupid, aren't you? Let's see: can you give sources for any of your claims?
@anomalousviewer3164
@anomalousviewer3164 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchtherighteous I like ur sarcasim hahaha
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone - Episode 6 continues into the final part as the mighty Umayyad Caliphate is no more. Even in decline was tolerance a possibility? If you liked this - please spread word about the KZfaq channel and share on social media. Its the only way a channel like this can grow. Consider contributing on Patreon as all funds are needed and used to make videos like this possible. You can also download the podcast to go on your media player. Thank you! Chapters 0:34 - Samuel ibn Naghrillah 1041 C.E. 5:03 - Alfonso VI 1085 C.E. 10:57 - All that glitters is not gold - Epilogue
@terencemagee
@terencemagee 5 жыл бұрын
Generally the Spanish have a disdainful attitude to the Muslims of Spain and don´t give them much credit for any historical contribution. This needs a documentary.
@AdamSahr-cj4kf
@AdamSahr-cj4kf 4 жыл бұрын
That's correct, and it is mainly the Church's attitude... The Church would do that, wouldn't it?!
@rodrigodiazdevivar6183
@rodrigodiazdevivar6183 3 жыл бұрын
Having lived in 3 Islamic Countries, I can tell you there is NO tolerance for any creed/religion that does not follow Islam. I am surprised you made that comment. By the way, what contributions?
@TheTromer
@TheTromer 3 жыл бұрын
@@rodrigodiazdevivar6183 many muslim countries arent exactly muslim more wahabi or something else as for muslim contribution i think he's speaking about the Islamic golden age in Al Andalus a time of great development in knowledge
@kderailed86
@kderailed86 3 жыл бұрын
@@rodrigodiazdevivar6183 btw can u list the names or ur just a liar
@qul5816
@qul5816 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodrigodiazdevivar6183 Which countries? Some countries have extreme muslims, which are mostly iran, iraq qnd many more. During the 4th Rashidun Caliphate death, Islam was actually torn apart by civil wars. The Umayyad vs The Abbasids. The firm believers of ali turn into Shi'ite. Then some were corrupted by the Berbers. Many more. Like other religions, some use religion as weapon or shit, gaining power. Some just firmly believe. Some do believe but have low faith. Mostly the extremists are the wahabis, which reside in The Middle East, along with most Shi'ites. Most of the muslim population are Ahli Sunna Wal Jamaah (sunni for short) are tolerant to others. But like other religions no matter muslim or not, the faith in them was slowly fading
@jeffreywhitlock4882
@jeffreywhitlock4882 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome history. I am definitely travelling to Spain within a year to visit Cordoba and Toledo within a year.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
Jealous my friend - my son is still too young to travel. Take some good pictures! Have fun!
@serg10bah1a
@serg10bah1a 8 ай бұрын
How did you like it?
@TheSamuraijim87
@TheSamuraijim87 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic that i got around to watching this at last! And so late, too. A good episode. And one without clear answers. A murky grey area is always fun for any historian. And the Almoravid Amirs and the Almohad Caliphs are on the Horizon! Fun times!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
It was really the calm before the storm. Al Andalus would never the same again. And then you had the Christian response and Reconquista!
@eliasfrahat7074
@eliasfrahat7074 6 жыл бұрын
Great job
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@mohammedaljinabe1573
@mohammedaljinabe1573 5 жыл бұрын
You are from Basra city... am i true???
@kkme503
@kkme503 9 ай бұрын
Alfonso married with a Arabic princess called Zaida even he had a son who died in the war agaist the almorabids and this is the reason why Urraca become queen.
@IanHGamer
@IanHGamer 5 жыл бұрын
Great videos!!
@yorksfolly1255
@yorksfolly1255 6 жыл бұрын
such a good job. Keep it up. I really love that you look at both sides and dont push one side.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks - I think to pick a side with so much material and such polarized views , would have been a suicide mission and would have detracted from my goal of continuing with the historical narrative.
@rifanbudi34
@rifanbudi34 4 жыл бұрын
Islam promotes tolerance لَّا يَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يُقَٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِي ٱلدِّينِ وَلَمۡ يُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوٓاْ إِلَيۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِينَ (Sahih International) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. -Surah Al-Mumtahanah, verse 8 Islam promotes kindness ۚإِنَّ رَحۡمَتَ ٱللَّهِ قَرِيبٞ مِّنَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good. -Surah Al-A'raf, verse 56
@CESSKAR
@CESSKAR 3 жыл бұрын
What about Surah At-Tawbah 9:29?
@hisham2k5
@hisham2k5 3 жыл бұрын
@@CESSKAR in battle it was a punishment just like the flooding of Moses
@SamFreelancePolice
@SamFreelancePolice 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating series! That Mudéjar architecture style is stunning
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
I agree - getting to the Alhambra has become a bucket list item for me
@keeb220
@keeb220 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these videos I wish you had a larger following!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
I'm happy you liked the videos! A bigger following will come.
@willbarber8707
@willbarber8707 5 жыл бұрын
Love it !! Please keep up the great work! Subscribed !!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 5 жыл бұрын
Happy to have you here - glad you liked the series!
@MohdHilal
@MohdHilal 3 жыл бұрын
Baghdad was a better example of tolerance and inclusion, the very design of the city highlights its inclusion. It makes sense if Caliphs felt more secured in Baghdad than in Cordoba
@yasuotheunforgiven9549
@yasuotheunforgiven9549 4 жыл бұрын
Subbed. This is very important for me since I deeply like history
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Let me know what you think.
@ValdezJu
@ValdezJu 6 жыл бұрын
OMG! I've gotten so far behind with watching your videos - need to go back and start spending some quality time here on KZfaq. I love your videos so much! 📌 🔔 ✔️
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Jimaro! Yes just published these last three videos in the past week. Let me know what you think!
@saifyousif53
@saifyousif53 4 жыл бұрын
Can Morera tell us, when he decided that Al-Andalus was a bad example of a society in which tolerance was only a myth, to which medieval society he compared it and came up with this conclusion!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
No he can not. His rhetoric is hate based at best. Anyone who has done ANY research in this field can see how he is FOS.
@ahzam2862
@ahzam2862 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx I have to give it for your neutral stance and giving the history its due.
@husseinalsharaa202
@husseinalsharaa202 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahzam2862 he is not being biast tho he is just saying the truth but you crybabies can't handle it.
@ahzam2862
@ahzam2862 3 жыл бұрын
@@husseinalsharaa202 I'm literally praising his unbiased approach you dumb fuck. Do you have some reading issues?
@ericagos1601
@ericagos1601 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx I have read his book. My impression from it was similar to what you said yourself, in the first part of this episode, that the truth of convivencia is somewhere in between myth and reality. He backs up his views with historical events and data and quotes from other scholars who have a different view (as Al-Andalus being a progressive utopia that was ahead of its time.) It was my understanding that he was disagreeing with that assessment, but not bashing the culture or saying it was any worse than contemporary cultures. History is viewed through a different lens by different people, and changing generations and attitudes will alternately glorify and condemn the same civilization. I'm curious as to why you think that his views are hate based, and if there are any historical events or data that you consider false.
@marylee8372
@marylee8372 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. This is fascinating!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@pyrrhus3445
@pyrrhus3445 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video are u gonna talk about the al moravids rule in Spain ? Or this is the end of the serie
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
This series is going to go all the way to 1492 and then beyond. Almoravids and the Taifas are next!
@newintellectual.
@newintellectual. 6 жыл бұрын
I have a question, @2:30 you mentioned no Jew or Christian can hold high office.. what was the reason behind it?
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Al Andalus was established like many of the provinces of the Islamic conquest - you had an Islamic army come through and take over the major cities and infrastructure before disseminating out into the hinterland. During the Umayyad Caliphate - based in Damascus - they made it the policy that Arabic was the official language of all the lands under control. So it was a way of asserting power. People in these conquered lands could usually continue to practice their own religions and forced conversions to Islam was rare. But there was now an incentive for people to adopt the new religion. If you wanted to pay less taxes and gain higher office, you converted.
@newintellectual.
@newintellectual. 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your answer. At the moment I'm reading Islamic sharia textbook [it is Islamic Sunday school textbook] in which it mentions Jews and Christian as Kafirs and Najis (unclean)... so I thought if there was any connection.. btw Keep it up. I love your work. :)
@arsalanshaikh3763
@arsalanshaikh3763 6 жыл бұрын
Abo Lolo the point is sir Islamic sharia is the biggest hypocrosy that was in the hands of the caliphs at that time then came the turks islamic sharia is a law made by caliphs and the religious establishment full of bullshit .. trust me it kept changing over dynasties and differs from plqce to place from sect to sect ... religion is just used as a tool by the mullahs and caliphs ...
@Ridhwanullah
@Ridhwanullah 5 жыл бұрын
Because in Islam religion and government are one and you can’t have a Muslim Bishop or Pope and vice versa
@mindyourbusiness4440
@mindyourbusiness4440 4 жыл бұрын
not like you could have a single muslim leader in any christian empire
@jorge8915
@jorge8915 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome 😎
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🤗
@husseinalsharaa202
@husseinalsharaa202 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm surprised a lot people accuse you of being biast while you try your best to be as much informative and unbiased as you can. At least he is better than (real crusader history) the guy who believes Richard the lionhart will go to heaven.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 3 жыл бұрын
I got accused of it this morning alone - some claim I'm too pro-muslim and some say I'm too pro-christian. I think for some, who have heard the story from only their perspective, are shocked when the history is given even in a neutral light.
@tamaveirene
@tamaveirene 6 ай бұрын
Excellent
@goreacraft
@goreacraft 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Thank you! Side question: How does an arabisised jew or christian looks like as you said in 8:24? What is different apart from just the location where it lives ?
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
The term applied to the adaptation of non-Muslims into a Muslim society. Initially it had a more negative connotation. But it meant to wear the same clothing, speak the same language, and read and write in Arabic. Perhaps even encorporate food, music, and customs.
@supernivemdealbabor
@supernivemdealbabor 5 ай бұрын
00:12:13 Those biasedly picked examples are like seting the reign of ab al rahman III as example of all the long period of moorish invasion, Intead of puting almanzors rule or the almoravids or almohad rule. There were isles of calm in an ocean of insanity, at times free fall. Long periods of decadence, violent transitions from one to another ruler or from one cultural, ethnic, social or dominant group to another. Those unspledourous times were the ocean, the isles were like patches: the reign of the first caliph is an example, but what did come then afterwards?.
@terryhsiao1745
@terryhsiao1745 3 жыл бұрын
You the master of this era!!
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 3 жыл бұрын
The allowance was having shipping and handling problems
@arsalanshaikh3763
@arsalanshaikh3763 6 жыл бұрын
Man great series its ironic how people lived together with love and compassion how politics and yes the religious establishment destroys peace and love among communities .. Religion is nothing to me the point is our humanity is corrupted...
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you my work. I'm personally not very religious, but I've seen people act in incredibly generous and compassionate ways based on their faiths. I think its as Shakespeare said - "nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
@laz3ra
@laz3ra 6 жыл бұрын
What has reached us is from the elites POV. Of course Christian/Jewish rich traders will get along well with the muslim nobles. If they get peeved off they just leave and the country suffers.
@htoodoh5770
@htoodoh5770 4 жыл бұрын
How did religious establishmrnt destroyed peace and love?
@user-fe9rr3hz9p
@user-fe9rr3hz9p 3 ай бұрын
The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is considered the biggest holocaust of World history. The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1500 AD, before the arrival of the Europeans. With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30,000 Rajputs after he captured Chithorgarh in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100,000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances. The holocaust of the Hindus in India continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700’s. Historians have elaborate literary evidence of the World’s biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India’s Hindus. These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed - and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist, mass rapes of women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu and Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World’s biggest holocaust. The destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan by Talibans just a few years ago, prove that Arabs were not an open and tolerant society. Something very wrong is happening in the way universal history is being written.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 3 ай бұрын
And then with partition even more died
@supernivemdealbabor
@supernivemdealbabor 5 ай бұрын
00:04:51
@bosbanon3452
@bosbanon3452 4 жыл бұрын
I think al Qadir lost valencia to el cid , al qador was potrayed so bad in the charles helston movie el cid
@SlowMovingBird
@SlowMovingBird 4 жыл бұрын
Little long other wise great
@zaphodbeeblebrox2360
@zaphodbeeblebrox2360 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you did a video about sargon of akkad, it would probably get a lot of clicks. just a thought.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
Sargon ? Has he been popular in the news lately?
@originalulix
@originalulix 5 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx No but there is an alt-right KZfaqr popular in certain circles of the so called "Intellectual dark web" going by that name. You may have noticed that just by nature of their topics your videos pull in a certain crowd (thankfully a minority in your comments). Thanks for doing these videos, they are very balanced and informative.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 5 жыл бұрын
@@originalulix thank you. I try to keep this as even keeled as possible. I admit its a difficult task
@originalulix
@originalulix 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Olson Of course, I'm a communist who is by definition against religion, and I also love Islam. Makes total sense, and it's absolutely clear you are not an ignorant idiot.
@eliasfrahat7074
@eliasfrahat7074 6 жыл бұрын
First to comment :)
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
hahahah - not sure why people like to mention this so much. =)
@nadjaforster6893
@nadjaforster6893 3 жыл бұрын
"I fart in your general direction" excuse me?! That's a good reason for a whole ass crusade right here xD Also, 3:31 gandalf is that you
@twosocks8088
@twosocks8088 6 жыл бұрын
It was a Pax Islamica.. So long as Jews and Christians new their place they would “get along”.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve never heard that expression - it brilliant! Yes very major civilization had its pax - Pax Romana, Pax Brittanica, and now - Pax Americana
@theodoreparris8260
@theodoreparris8260 5 жыл бұрын
Flash Point History: Pox Islamica more like. This is a very biased site: no critiques.
@anonrandom7765
@anonrandom7765 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to ask a question: Are you Jewish?
@m.x.
@m.x. 7 ай бұрын
Putting "Islam" and "tolerance" in the same sentence is an oxymoron. It's a myth that all three religions were living together in harmony. Muslims were very endogamic and supremacist. Jews and Catholics were 2nd-class citizens under the Muslim Empire. Also, Muslims were the biggest slavers of the Middle Age. Among other things, they captured 20 000 Spanish virgins that were sent to Damascus as sex slaves. That's a lot given the low population of the Iberian peninsula at that time.
@zvpzvp
@zvpzvp 5 жыл бұрын
As usual, the influence of Byzantine scholars on Western Europe's civilization is underestimated, and islamic influence is correspondingly overestimated. There was no exceptional need for arabic translations, due to the Byzantine/Greek inherited knowledge. Above all, through the Middle Ages, there was a considerable Greek culture in southern Italy.
@AdamNoizer
@AdamNoizer 5 жыл бұрын
A456 A456 The usual case would be the other way around. Byzantine impacts on Western Europe aren’t discussed here since the video isn’t about Byzantium.
@user-yu7fi1cd2v
@user-yu7fi1cd2v 4 жыл бұрын
Many bishops of Europe had learned Greek philosophy in Muslim Spain while Catholic Church prohibited learning philosophy as heresy. Scholasticism with bigger probability started in Spain.
@jdlc903
@jdlc903 4 жыл бұрын
Right byzantium empire still existed during this time.they seem to suggest this info had been lost
@htoodoh5770
@htoodoh5770 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-yu7fi1cd2v Catholic didn't banned philosophy.
@halaldunya918
@halaldunya918 2 жыл бұрын
The Byzantines weren't hot and advanced, u Euro centric azz wipe. They had stupid complications over petty things like Iconoclasm (literally whether images should be allowed). Hindu Arabic numerals which Europeans still use, is from Islamic polymaths, Algebra, the Greeks never contributed to this.
@Rorgosh
@Rorgosh 3 жыл бұрын
Well, about peacfull coexistence. The level of the religious peace in the Umiyyad emirate was far from uncommon in the early medieval europe. Even so, that some part of europe (for example: kingdom of Hungary) was a reality even in the high medieval ages. But no one write bestsellers about the peacefull coexistence in Hungary during the house of Arpad (whose mother or grandmother was a jewish girl by the way). Why? Hungary was (and is) a landlocked country even when from the late XI. century the hungarian kings were croatian kings aswell. By theese landlocked situation, the kingdom could not reach the high of cultural and human development of the mediterran region, by its ports in croatia did not really connected the main trading rout (Danube). However the history of the emirate/caliphate show the true story, which isnt about the religious enlightment. Nor the emirate, nor the caliphate, nor the taifa states could recruit the sufficent number of soldiers from their land. Against whom? The most sparsely populated lands of the iberian penninsula. The christian kingdoms in this time and region had maybe 8% of the population of the penninsula, but they could be a real threat even for the caliphate. How so? Easy. The kingdoms could fill their armies ranks from the local peoples, while the muslim states could not or in an ineffective way. But why not or in an ineffective way? Simple because even the ones who converted to islam were not considered trustworthy by the ruling class of the muslim states, not to mention the christians and jewish people. Of course they could join to the standing army, but the ruling class did not support the militarization of the local communities. By this, in case of need they could not raise an army from the locals, so any major loss hampered their military capabilities for a long time. While their northern neigbours - by this militarization - could replace even their lost professional soldiers (the knights) within a few years. Then why we believe in this peacfull coexistence? Because two things. First, it is a nice myth from a golden age. Second, because the iberian penninsula is in great position for human development by its geographical position if the penninsula is not in a permanent turmoil with itself. The emirate and the caliphate could provide this for several generations, and the early medieval states usual “tolerance” was much higher than the usual in the high and late medieval ages.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 3 жыл бұрын
very well said. There isn't that much that covers the kingdom of Hungry - except when it comes to the Ottomans and then the Huganirans were the main defense for Europe. for what its worth, it did a video on the Black Death where hungry had a low infection rate and was a haven for the persecuted jews of europe.
@Rorgosh
@Rorgosh 3 жыл бұрын
Flash Point History I saw it, its nice, however, you need to know, Hungary were amongst the countries which reaction to the plague workforce crisis were the worst. The loose against the ottomans actually happened before the ottomans had foothold in europe. Hungary became a state, where the kings demolised even the existing castles and bound the peasantry to the land. So there were nor adequate defending facikities (castles) nor a population could support the army either by joining to the army or pay enough taxes to maintain armies. Ofc. the problems developed slowly, so the country could stand a one and a half century before its collapse, but would be more than 14 (literally!) castles on the turkish border, than the country might keep its independence.
@turki1258
@turki1258 3 жыл бұрын
Its true however people of the book ‘اصحاب الذمه’ pay gazya for protection, but not only to protect them from other Muslims but also from invading forces because they are not forced to join the army. There was an instance in early Islam where Muslims could not defend people of the book and the caliph ordered that all of gazya money ever payed to Muslims to be returned to their owners however I have never found other instances like this later on. I also want to say that gazya is not a heavy tax, as been said in this series. It is a one time a year it costs around 1% of your total income while Muslims pay zakat which is around 2.5%.
@desmondrivera8083
@desmondrivera8083 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see an open minded, unbiased historical account. Al - Andalus was by no means a perfect society, but the portrayal of Islamic Spain in such films as Charlton Heston's El Cid are bit one sided and do not really tell the whole story.
@ocroafff5527
@ocroafff5527 4 жыл бұрын
If u go to history muslims saved alot Jews throu out the history from christianitions
@anomalousviewer3164
@anomalousviewer3164 4 жыл бұрын
Two thumbs up for the effort put in and amount of information provided in the series of videos of the different topics you have done flash point history. However from the bunch of videos I've watched so far there appears to be a slight bias from yourside, and for that I give one thumbs down
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
This is really good feedback! I try my best to remain as unbiased as possible. Please elaborate.
@eliashuerta1812
@eliashuerta1812 4 жыл бұрын
Arabs jews and gypsies created flamenco dancing also southern Spain it use to be ruled by moroccans. Al andalus will always be Muslim Jewish place. Toda Baruch hashem Adonai. Akbar mashalla Shanti namaste Jan . Long live middle East in Spain ole
@eliashuerta1812
@eliashuerta1812 4 жыл бұрын
God bless middle east
@xc6631
@xc6631 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Olson nope it will be advanced. That's why we fall: ibb.co/MRVvrHd
@AdamSahr-cj4kf
@AdamSahr-cj4kf 4 жыл бұрын
The Gypsies started moving to Spain from Europe in the 15th century and the inquisition started in 1492, so, your theory doesn't hold water at all...
@jmcr1963
@jmcr1963 Жыл бұрын
Andalusians are Christian and follow Christian festivities. They don’t know anything about Islam and they are not interested. Natives are clearly western. Sorry but there is no Middle East in Southern Spain. NOTHING apart from a couple of monuments. I am Andalusian myself from generations.
@PMMagro
@PMMagro 5 жыл бұрын
Early on muslims in Christian areas too where treated a lot better. Once the religious fanatism took over all "heretics" of the wrong religions did get treated worse over time. Also in the muslim "states".
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like the nature of a religious movement - once the politics really kick in become very tribal - then its all about 'you're either with us or against us'. But perhaps this is just an inherent part of any religion from the start?
@Tait0o
@Tait0o 4 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx I don't think it is an inherent part of religion. Every religion seems to be an answer to many existential questions, like: Why does the universe exist? What is the right way to behave in this universe? ... Like science religion provides answers, that help recipients to orient themselves in the complex and confusing sphere of existence. Those function is necessary. Without it there would be no way to know how to behave. While it is necessary for every individual to find an answer, there is no undeniable proof. (*) Therefore, every answer seems to be merely subjective. Intolerance originates from the belief to know the objective truth, without undeniable proof. Because if somebody beliefs to know the objective truth every deviation is false by default. False in this case means the entire mode of existence is false and needs to be suppressed. (**) If religion is lived as an individual answer to the questions of life, then there is no need to suppress other modes of life, as long as those other modes of life don't suppress religion. Thus, I conclude religion makes people neither inherently intolerant nor tolerant. (*) If there is proof I would like to know. Please share it with me. Edit: ('**) Why this would be a moral necessity is another topic. I could extrapolate, but the post is too long already.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
My friend - this is truly looking at the bright side of things. While I won’t deny that religion does have its positive aspects, promotes the sense of self exploration, and can drive an individual to attain a higher purpose - every major religion in history has also had its share of brutality, persecutions, intolerance, holy war, and even genocide.
@Tait0o
@Tait0o 4 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx True. Many atrocious acts have been committed in the name of religion. Did it happen because of religion, despite religion or was religion only a means to justify an egoistical strive for dominance? I would argue the latter. If we look at the historical data there is brutality and strive for dominance even without a clear connection to religion. (*) Modern examples for such atrocious acts without a religious justification are the Cambodian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, the Nanjing massacre and the atom bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. On the other hand there are instances of peaceful coexistence between believers of different religions. This would not be possible, if religion automatically makes people intolerant. If we learn to cherish each other and do not try to force our way on others lasting peace might be possible. At least that is what I hope. (*) It really depends on the definition of religion.
@AMRPK
@AMRPK 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoying your posts. I notice that Moreras book has caused some consternation among academics. Some of the reviews have been scathing. Given that his book was published by ISI, perhaps the oldest conservative think tank in the US points to today's political debates. I stopped reading this book when it found its way into arguments used by the alt-right.
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 5 жыл бұрын
I approach my series and the associated content I produce with as much academic know how as I am able to do. I only produce about one podcast a month as I read extensively. Only reason I used Morera’s book is because it has a strong opposing view to the nature on convivencia. When I get criticized for my narrative by people who carry his book like it is thier bible (trust me this happens often - and my poor ratings on iTunes started the second I started talking about this topic), I know immediately I’m dealing with a poorly informed person. Morera’s book is extremely biased and despite his extensive research and source material - it is very one sided. He only provides items, resources, and references that support his agenda. He produced a polemic book meant to rally people and go against the grind. In that he succeeded - but it’s a cowards approach not to provide anything that goes against your argument. I find it laughable that people only use his prose as a basis for thier views on this time period. Immediately I think this person needs to read more. It doesn’t surprise me that the alt-right uses this. Why have an independent thought when you have an angry narrative that preaches to an audience that has already made up their minds towards another culture? Sad part is, that you have to be a fan of history to read Morera - would you not have also learned the lessons of history as well along the way? That putting ones faith in a one sided view is where you get conflict, holy wars, pogroms, and genocide?
@AdamSahr-cj4kf
@AdamSahr-cj4kf 4 жыл бұрын
Morera is a false intellectual who refashions history with his own prejudices... A man who calls exception any fact that debunks his prejudices and exposes his interested constructs !!!
@alfgui3295
@alfgui3295 4 жыл бұрын
@@FlashPointHx Morera is doing the right thing when he pisses off leftist "historians" like you.
@IRISHINFIDEL
@IRISHINFIDEL 3 жыл бұрын
The Jews opened up the gates of Toledo and allowed the Muslims to take their first city, so when they were massacred by their Muslim brothers in Granada in 1066 and their grand vizier was nailed to the cities gates I cared little
@silentobserver4425
@silentobserver4425 2 жыл бұрын
Sephardic Jews changed so many things in the context of western esotericism.
@rabijahid4763
@rabijahid4763 5 жыл бұрын
So many misleadings
@memcrew1
@memcrew1 4 жыл бұрын
rabi jahid can you elaborate?
@AdamSahr-cj4kf
@AdamSahr-cj4kf 4 жыл бұрын
Morera is a false intellectual who refashions history with his own prejudices... A man who calls exception any fact that debunks his prejudices and exposes his interested constructs !!!
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 4 жыл бұрын
Oh I agree. If anybody has read anything else, they will know this. The man wanted to sell books, so he used his degree and his prejudice to appeal to a polemic view. I had to include his work here otherwise I would have all the people who support him telling me that I need to read his book.At least now I can say, I did read his book and in the grand scheme of things he does not really have a very good point.
@tamaveirene
@tamaveirene 6 ай бұрын
Excellent
@FlashPointHx
@FlashPointHx 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@tamaveirene
@tamaveirene 6 ай бұрын
@@FlashPointHx It is I who must thank you for the painstaking research (and artistic hard work) that has obviously gone into making this fascinating (and addictive) series about an often ignored, yet terribly important period in Human History! Since I (accidentally) discovered your videos, I have been burning the midnight oil watching them! IMO History is an essential component of our lives here on earth. With HUGE RESPECT from this Australian...God bless your work and everything you care about➕🤍🕊➕😍😍😍🦘🔥
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