Right. At current penalty system, if two cars collides, then each cars will trigger their own penalty which is not fair. Turn10 need to make the penalty system be able to differentiate between the victim and the assailant.

Yeah, this is like Gran Turismo 7, when you're dirt, you win!

I'd be so mad. How can the developers actually allow this in a game like this? So stupid.

The penalties will evolve, I thought I read in some forum, to be fair, if you look closely, the other two pilots also received a penalty (6:45) Penalties work better than I thought

Dude got literally pushed off track and gotta full 2.25s penalty for being the victim.

"Build from the ground up"

It is a learning system, why nobody knows what that means

​@@tobireindlIt's their 8th attempt. Why nobody knows what that means? If it was the 1st, people would be more understanding. But here we are, nearly 20 years later.

@@krisbarr5663 Its the first, you just dont know anything about game developing or the new engine 👀

@@krisbarr5663 The game just came out, dirty drivers and clean drivers are gonna be in the same lobby until the safe drivers get a higher safety rating, and the dirty ones get a lower safety rating.

They also a lot longer...

@@thesis4349That's how actual IRL races work.

​@@thesilver7238laughs in f1

Dont compare Forza to IRL. There are no 8 minute races IRL. @@thesilver7238

@@SuperIceman44 f1 races are the shorter end of racing lol

Weird is one word for it. A word I wouldn't use.... But yeah. 😑

@@drkilledbydeath87 Absolutely bullshit sounds more accurate lmao

@@truzon2407 It's not BS either, it's straight out Robbery sounds more accurate & more relevant lmao

this game is crazy with that penalty, it doesn't make sense

Game looked very fun for me... until this moment 😂

The one where he went offtrack to pass?

Yea I just had a race where a guy pushed me 3 times in a single turn and he didn't get a penalty. Then I got off track +0.5

You're never going to get a perfect penalty system that doesn't have any human input. What matters is whether it more often than not reads situations correctly, which it has in my experience thus far - which is pretty impressive for a system that hasn't had any tweaks or updates yet.

@@Scottoest Its not about being perfect, its about being decent, but the way this "penalty" system works is exactly the opposite - they punish the victim and reward the aggressor.

@@ryutenmen Except when it doesn't and it gets it right. You say that like it's some hard-coded rule, and not just anecdotes about the system judging a situation wrong - which is not at all at odds with what I said. Yes, the penalty system gets calls wrong. What matters is if, on the whole, it is correct more often than not. This is why iRacing doesn't even bother with trying to assess fault via an imperfect algorithm, and just punishes all involved.

@@Scottoest I only took facts into account, anything else is speculation. When we'll have a broader "image" on how well or not the penalty system works we'll deal with this preliminary judgement. As for iRacing...to punish all involved, including the victim, is a different kind of bad. That system also "say" that the devs didn't bother to make a pertinent system, they just put that one simple rule and call it a day and never come back to fix it, to develop it into something worthy.

Forza never knew how to implement a good penalty system.

"Avoidable Contact" they say as he gets punted. Might as well encourage ramming with how the penalty system is implemented atm lol.

6:50 *

​@@dondaketype8811that's exactly what I thought. They're trying to dissuade punting but that to me totally reinforces it.

@@drkilledbydeath87 9:57 is an even worse example of this. The guy punts two people off the course only to get no penalty whatsoever.

It's the highest rated car, so ofc it's

Bro is too "cool brain" to be spun

Me too haha ​​on xbox 360

Me too bro I went to PS4 after horizon 2 (never played gran turismo) and I got a Series S back in January of this year and I got to play FH5 on Game Pass and I really enjoy it, can’t wait for this game

It’s all been downhill since then lol

Will say online racing is really fun. Just got the achievement for 20 races while having a s rated license. Haven't seen much dirty driving but alot of the comments say other wise haha.

Fr bro

Exactly, people dont understand that this thing is a learning system so it will change with time

FH Never had clean online Racing Mainly cheaters & dirters

Horizon don't have a rating system so everyone is mixed in the same lobby. Motorsport have one, just give some time to separate those crash a lot and those don't.

It’s more the other way round in real life

There are currently some balance issues within the spec series, the Golf being very fast on the straight is not right.

Tune was stock except lowest rear downforce, highest front.

Gt isn't a full on SIM like it claims to be

It's actually the original layout, but it hasn't been used since the 80s

@@jeracerx *What the FUUUUUUUUUUUU* That's a new fact I've learned of Laguna Seca!

@@GearHead36 Yeah F1 was looking at running there, but the layout was too short, so that why they added the infield section and made the current layout

​@@jeracerxThe original layout is definitely fun to run on FM8. I love it and it's mid-high speed to boot

At the moment the Multiplayer all cars are tuned to a certain spec. So at the moment it doesn't really affect me. But it is a bit annoying I find imo.

@@IsuckAtDriving yeah, i litte scared about this.. i wanna think turn10 reduce the time of leveling cars, but i guess this not gonna happen:/

Yes.

wow

Always stability off. Traction is car dependent.

@@IsuckAtDriving thank you! guessing ABS on right?

how much did the game cost you? Is it playable on the xbox one x btw?

@@speed2567 for me. Benjamin. U had to get the extra expensive 1 to play it early and I don’t know I play it on pc

@@WillFuI alr thanks

Adding the ghosting works well in horizon but on the tracks it feels weird

There are still a couple of good racing gamers, Super GT being one of them!

@@IsuckAtDriving KZfaq is not big enough for 2 racing gamers! They're a waste of space. You have skills!

Keyboard and mouse, says so in the description. It's stunning how well he does with it.

I think where the penalty system goofed was where on the car he was hit and the angle. To me, it looked like the pentalty was given as if ISAD chopped down at another car aiming for the apex, even though he was driven into. Needs tweaking, but I can also see why it goofed. Hoping T10 makes tweaks with big updates the game gets over time.

@@ChaosFox don’t play To many sim racing games so I don’t know what ISAD is but I get what your sayin

@@final_call_71 it's the acronym for his channel... lol

@@ChaosFox sorry my 2 brain cells are fighting so I couldn’t comprehend that lmao

ABS on only my assists.

They aren't wrong. Ultimately it's just game code trying to determine fault, so it won't be perfect and it'll also probably have exploitable tendencies in how it 'sees' situations. Computer code doesn't look at these things like a human set of eyes and brain does. If you penalize both then at least you know you're penalizing (and hopefully deterring) the person responsible 100% of the time. It's also more deterministic, so at least you're not at the mercy of an algorithm. Penalty systems are basically a never-ending struggle for the devs involved - trying to make it smarter, while trying not to accidentally introduce regressions to the system's ability to 'understand' situations in the process. As good and bad drivers separate themselves via their ratings, hopefully there will be less ramming attempts against people like ISAD in the first place.