can you post timestamps anyway? very useful imo

You need a moderator there. You couldn't get a word in edge wise.

Steven, I've recently discovered your content. I am awestruck by your uncanny ability to speak cogently and forcefully in opposition to a wide spectrum of incoherent conspiratorial worldviews. The sheer tenacity and mettle required to wade through the mountains of anti-science rhetoric is, truly, astounding. I commend you for still showing up to these panels and continuously force feeding rational perspectives to the audience and other panelists. My impression is that you're too intelligent, methodical, and concerned about harboring well-evidenced worldviews to platform these people. I think you--on an intrinsic level--deserve to have intellectually stimulating conservations with good-faith and objective interlocutors. Frankly, I think you need a lyceum and not a stage brimming with bat-shit [#zoonosis] absurdity. If you're ever in the Bay/Palo Alto, I'll buy you beer.

some of these responses are so dumb that I cannot watch any more.

@@atheistmecca971 The one wearing red and yellow is "supposed" to be a moderator... somehow

what an absolute banger. followed by the total silence of crowd, which was able to cheer on every conspiracy take.

@@Desdress Myth-informed was created by a conspiracy theorist. Makes sense.

Time stamp next time pls brother just to help out

@@motorhead48067 30:40

@@jamesmcdougal2 It does. A no shitting section in a swimming pool would be pointless if everyone is shitting in it outside of that section. In the same way public health policy is useless if only a small subsection of people practice good health and everyone else does the opposite.

THIS is a great idea, or just a deathmatch. Destiny vs the fucking world

@@Fredisson666 I don't want anyone to die. Just the maximum amount of political pundit insanity possible. Thank you for the reply friend. :D

@@johngleeman8347 Not even some people to die? Cmon, don't lie to yourself.

@@daviddotorg Killing a wicked person doesn't stop their bad behavior for long. Some other unscrupulous wretch will replace them in short order. I would rather the vile and grasping persons be put in prison or discredited with hard facts and mountains of evidence if they are spreading falsehoods. Taking away their power, their money, their sycophants, and their legacy hurts a blackguard far more than killing them.

Then Destiny slowly wakes up and he's in the back of a horse cart with Vaush dressed in old Nord clothing. Vaush looks at a half-dazed Destiny and says "Hey, you! You're finally awake, you were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that imperial ambush."

It was the transphobic comment that put the nail in the coffin for me.

@@louisadway1856 What's transphobic?

@@codynoth4183 one of the speakers talk about the current Health Secretary as a "man in a dress" or perhaps a "man in women's clothing". Either way, it was apparent that they were being incredibly bigoted against a transgender woman.

@@louisadway1856 LOL

@@soccerplayer922 what's so funny?

Wine mom vibes

@@Supergforce777 for real 🤣

Strong boomer hippie winemom vibes from her.

yeah bro she wouldn't shut up and I swear her mic was louder lol

Destiny himself was on a fucking tangent for the entire debate, so let me just call you out on your double standards for not aknowledging that.

oh shit you watch destiny? really like your stuff! i think it would be interesting if you two had a convo.

Hey, what are you doing here bud? Didn’t realise you watched Destiny content

Yo it's you!

I can't understand how he subjects himself to this all the time.

Damn didn't think I'll see this lol

Bravo!

4 yentas and a sigma.

Dude was blatantly lying to keep his cool the entire convo

Or : Destiny defending the indefensible?!

Or : Destiny defending the indefensible?!

lol

Her occupation is being a wahmen

A Journalist and documentary filmmaker

@@DolphusRaymond She's a journalist in the same sense that me lighting a bonfire in my yard and then stamping it out with my bare feet makes me a firefighter.

If I was there I would be speed running misogyny

Can you imagine this panel is Destiny wasn't there?! It would of been a gaint circle jerk.

Ye the times when Destiny tried to push to get an answer on the really stupid stuff the moderator just switches away. It is really annoying because not being able to dodge when you get caught in your bullshit is one of the benefits of in person debates.

I’m glad he finally got to ask the woman who never stopped talking where she gets data she trusts and her answer was “anecdotally on the streets!” What a time to be alive.

The moderators for Better Discourse all suck. That being said, it is fun seeing Destiny thrive in chaos.

Anecdotes are overpowered. Best debate tactic

I think she was only expressing how an anti vaxer probably would view it. I was in a similar situation where I had the privilege of not having a family member die of it until very recently where 3 died all around the same time. It's probably easier to feel that way when it doesn't really affect you tbh.

@@avarice5071 yeah. Unfortunately, anecdotes only help with vittual signalling. Doesn't really help with actualling discussing the issue

@@AliGoose2000 Ehh, they have their purpose. Certain kinds of people anecdotes are more effective on than others probably.

This is the classic conservative 'Don't care until it affects me personally' argument. Like when they are against abortion until the knock up a girl, or against LGBT stuff until their kid comes out gay.

It was a decent joke at first but she kept going with it, and it made it kinda weird when you consider their relationship outside the debate. I understand they laugh and joke with each other like that on their personal time, but I woulda thought she had enough respect for him to at least keep a public debate civil and not stretch out dissing him like that.

“You knew I was a snake when you let me in”

She’s in the harem, she never said she was loyal to it. Lauren is a grifter at heart just like her good friend Venti. Never help scorpions out they will sting you.

Lauren definitely hit below the belt with the “gamer comment”. But she has a point insofar as Destiny having very limited adverse effects from lockdowns. He makes money through his simps.

its funny because destiny has way more responsibilities than lauren and was effected way more from covid

Lauren “Data is the plural of anecdote” Southern

She is basically the right version of Hassan, but she doesn't have cultural power.

She was talking about lockdown policies doofus ... Not covid itself .... She was saying he wasn't affected by the policies.....your comprehension needs some work...

i actually liked the destiny and lauren friendship arc. but this was a really shitty stab at destiny just to dismiss/muddy the waters and im surprised that she tried to defend it more instead of pretending it was a joke i wonder if Destiny realized this and will put some space inbetween them :\

@@sunkillsmoon Lauren- you weren't effected by the policies. Destiny- Well yeah I was you see I couldn't do xyz. Lauren- But you're a gamer bro you could play games. Destiny- what does have to do with my point? Lauren- Gamer. (Looks to crowd for laughs)

99% of people who die with covid have underlying health conditions like cancer.

someone died in a car accident with covid and they call it a covid death.

average conservative commentator

Whenever someone says "Covid has a 99% survival rate," they should be asked how many people are in the US (~330 million), and what is 1% of that number? Oh, so you're okay with the death of 3.3 million Americans.

@Smally Bigs It's not overblown to any extend. Covid is the tipping point. It wasn't like the hospitals saw the same amount of deaths they would usually see and those just happened to also be Covid-positive people so they attributed them to it. The issue is that hospitalizations and deaths for those comorbidities exceeded all statistics. Hospitals ran over capacity. People who had prior conditions died a lot younger than they should have and those weren't some outliers but consistent numbers. The problem with these discussions seems to be that one side of the panel is there to earn cheap applause by talking fast and being outraged while another part is looking at the scientific evidence - which yes, changed over time, yes is not perfect, yes will reveal a lot of mistakes made years from now for sure, but is at the end of the day a thousand times more effective and reasonable to rely on compared to "yeah, just lock down those obese people (which is more than half of America, but sure)".

but she was on THE STREETS OF AMERICA

Haha right? The "I don't believe any data or statistics" got me good

Do yall even know what she has done, or looked up any of her stuff.....prolly not

@@joshkhan6 Do we need to? Her arguments/debate style should hold water on its own, regardless of what her background/credentials are. She comes off as an idiot.

@@joshkhan6 Why would I? She openly admitted she does not believe any statistics or data, which means she pulls her shriek material out of her butt.

You can tell the crowd laughing got her high too. She repeated the exact same joke 2 or 3 times back to back. Pretty annoying considering how nice she is on stream, switching up to win over which ever crowd she’s in front of.

@@Jason-ef8re i mean going by her history i thought this would be unsurprising.

@@null6955 exactly, and it’s funny because Destiny goes hard on Vaush for doing the exact opposite - being nice in person on stage and being awful on stream. He respects the gusto I guess

No the "You're a gamer who never goes outside etc" was a funny dunk. Why pretend conservatives have arguments and then fake outrage when when they dodge questions?, fucking hell.

on this I just realised she is really unfunny or it was a very bad day for her

In a 3 vs 1 debate lol

this one is too much for me

Yea after watching that second panelist interrupt and then ramble over Destiny almost non stop Destiny pleads to get just 1 question in. Host: " I will let you ask your 1 question, just let me completely change the topic first". Covid panels are the least focused because conservatives are incapable of separating scientific data from policy implementation.

The moderators at betterdiscourse are the absolute bottom of the barrel

@@Keithslawinski or just wear your mask and I’ll maybe wear it govoid

Not even a chuckle 🤣

It was boomer cringe

That joke would crush ass on twitch. Which makes her statement that destiny is out of touch with the real world, even funnier.

@@briantrowbridge8134 Delusion

@@moonillusions832 me, or lauren?

To be fair, I’m sure she was saying that it’s really the other measures that work and the masks are a nearly irrelevant addition. Imagine you’re depressed and you start exercising, socializing, and eating well, but also start doing power poses in the mirror to improve your confidence. Maybe the confident poses in the mirror make some tiny impact but it is really the other things that make most of the difference. You can say “power posing in the mirror cured my depression if you combine it with the other things I did” but really the power posing likely did nothing to cure your depression. Saying a+b+c+d=100 doesn’t reveal very much about any one variable. D could be 1 and a,b,c could constitute the other 99. I think I’m overexplaining hopefully my point was clear. Just think we should be charitable, even to Lauren Southern.

@@motorhead48067 very good response

I'm disappointed Destiny didn't bring up that getting Covid has a far higher chance of Myocarditis along with everything else including the about 25% of people with long haul Covid symptoms.

@You need a medic I’m gonna need more to go off of than a random person’s KZfaq comment referencing experiences I have no way of analyzing (even ignoring the fact that I’m not a doctor), but suit yourself buddy.

aamazin!

Yep, the closure of borders and lockdowns, though majorly annoying, were extremely effective at lowering the spread.

30:21 dawg this shit is maddening

Erh is she still talking about it? She actually has no idea what's happening in Australia, I haven't checked in anywhere in months.

I live in Australia in a major city. 95% of people were happy to lock down and understood that masks, distancing and vaccines were all effective measures. Everytime a dumbass American talking head chimes in about Australian lockdowns, we all cringe.

Moderator was so awful. I'm only 20 minutes in and I'm losing my mind. She let that insane woman next to Destiny throw out all the garbage Facebook memes but didn't let Destiny give a proper response. Absolute garbage from her to stop Destiny to ask a question by asking her question first which then goes through the whole panel.

Not just any streets, the "streets of AMERICA" Rock Flag and Eagle baby

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtV8ZNeJ17KlYZc.html information obtained from speaking with the American people

It's not just data that disagrees with her, it's ALL data.

@@patchhappens7575 “I don’t have to change my mind, because I’m an American. Rock, flag, and eagle. Right Charlie?”

@@ChipCheerio I am dug in, and I will never change

Also conservatives: hey here's this piece of data that really fits my narrative and let me just completely ignore the immense amount of data that completely discredits my opinion. The part where the woman on Destiny's right said myocarditis cases were underreported in vaccinated people and the total number of deaths was overreported just makes her look insufferable.

@@logo960 Dont forget the part she wont let destiny fully rebuttable as well such an annoyance.

Timestamp please 💀💀

@@tb8654 34:00

@@chaosmonkey1595 Well don't you think it makes sense to report COVID less as it becomes less of a problem... And instead start covering what could potentially become the start of World War 3?

You know it’s bad when even the conservative audience doesn’t want to laugh at poor foreign kids🤣

She's Myocardarded

@@Briman13 that must explain her diarrhea of the mouth syndrome

There is literally no logical reason for her to have done anything to avoid getting Covid since her natural immunity can take care of it, it did take care of it. Stop trying to force others to take drastic measures against things that are less deadly than the common cold.

@@SlayingSin I'm referring to her talking about still getting Covid during the peak of the lockdowns. I don't think she can use her experience as an example because she actively avoided doing things that would prevent spread lmao

@@GahdLike ah. Okay.

Cuzzzzzz she dumb

Look dude, amazing point, but you NEED to use punctuation. Took way too long for me to interpret that sentence. I'm not asking for perfect grammar, just some fluidity.

But still, I want to be clear, you frigging nailed this analogy dude

she literally used this talking point years ago when she was on about her bullshit with the migrant crisis in Europe "I was on the ground interviewing hundreds of Swedes about their opinions on immigration so I think I know more than whatever data you're throwing at me" her grift of having moved away from the right is so fucking transparent lmao

@@briantrowbridge8134 way to much positivity, that isn't the DDG I know

What do you think the policies would have done?? Do you think they would of eradicated the virus or was it all just to slow the spread??

You probably don’t wear mask correctly or wear the right one anyways. Lauren’s point was that no one is doing it CORRECTLY, no one was going to do it CORRECTLY, and the difference that mask might make is not tremendous anyways.

During the initial outbreak the Czech Rep instituted a mask mandate that required everyone to wear a mask as soon as they left their homes. It creates a grass roots movement by moms and grandmas to make hand made cloth masks, and it cut spread by close to 80 percent. When the US was at 100,000 deaths they had under 2500 and it remained quite low throughout the worst of it. The sense of duty to your community is what helped there and we see how hysterical, conspiracy brain rot caused in the US with now over 1,000,000 deaths.

@@giovalladares1022 Masks being worn incorrectly is significantly better than no mask at all. Imagine if people used this argument for shit like condoms lmao. If you don't think masks work then that's a different issue.

@@Thesnakehat Based.

Destiny mentioned on his stream that he asks for these uneven panels. Better content.

Destiny should have known better than to barge into this PTA meeting, it's his fault really.

Listening to her struggle to pronounce this word grated me so hard. “Mayokaidortis” “miyocoydartos”. Please say it a few times to get it in your head.

Corey LoL Yeah, her Sarah Palin routine was obnoxious. Unfortunately, other than Destiny, there didn’t seem to be ONE other person in the room that understood much about the Pandemic. Interesting to hear so many of them in their worries about our education system. SMH

@@Zerophimable I never noticed at all, then again I've got half or more of the conversation at x2 speed, and when she starts repeating herself I click right once and skip a few seconds, so that checks out.

Bad take considering demo cities were the worst off. Oh we're all the deaths in NY/NJ conservatives?

@@chaosmonkey1595 My country had the most lockdowns and everyone turned into a duck.

My county (in georgia) had the most restrictions and all I got was this stupid shirt

@@sgtpatton 😂

Here in Ireland, lockdowns and mask mandates were widely successful. Now that all restrictions have been lifted we are seeing the highest number of covid cases we’ve ever seen.

Lol, wait until you find that every group of people is full of trash.

Zach wants open borders and to teach my 4 year old daughter to be “brave” and come out as a boy because she likes G.I.Joes. Zach locks his door at night when he sleeps because he’s scared of the people outside

Arrogance

@@CarnelianChris exactly

@@CarnelianChris did you just make fun of someone for locking their door because they fear what‘s outside *and* for wanting open borders in the same comment? 🤡

Destiny said on stream a couple days ago that he requests to be put on panels where it’s 1v4.

He enjoys them and asks for them so he doesnt have someone holding him back. That being said if a mod wont let him respond to the circle jerk then its pretty...rough

@@murderparker7968 Geez, what a Chad

@@tripledigit4835 yeah he said he actually prefers it because he performs better that way, that 1v1 is too slow a pace for him. Godstiny.

Fucking tru

I mean, they can always be cherry-picked, but I see the point of, "shut up and listen, this might be going somewhere." How about we fight with sources rather than "sounds made up."

that savannah Hernandez thinks personal stories are even better than data

To be fair, it kinda is.

Can someone explain to me what's wrong with that statement?

"it's about feeling"

She rather live in a third world country she wouldnt last a minute. I donated my time in Uganda to help build houses and infrastructures for clean water sources and to see how the people are suffering but very happy for any little thing you contribute is so heartbreaking. No should live like this and to have an airhead speak on something she has no clue about makes a joke of their struggles. Lauren grow up and stop acting like a high school freshmen.

I guarantee you a documentary observing the lives of people who were on lockdown would be far more decimating than those actually affected by the virus. Covid was never a big deal. Ask the people whose teenagers and children committed suicide thanks to this lockdown if Covid was a "big deal" to steal their support system and lives away.

And then criticizes Destiny for not getting out enough

@@DK5TY someone get this guy a medal

@Hieronymus Bosch lost my uncle too

He was chilling in Sweden when most people weren't even able to get a 2nd shot of vax yet c'mon now. He isn't a regular person

Yeah, I wish that bridge would just burn already. Their tolerance of one another when they have conversations on stream is so manufactured.

To be fair the woman next to Lauren did push back on her about that.

@@bran4457 I really like Lauren in destiny's content outside of debates. That DC stream was great, but her debates are insufferable. I don't think I have seen a person that is so transparently arguing in Bad faith before

Timestamp?

@@thebondvillain4920 37:10

If you isolate at home why do you need to report it?

@@mightyturnip5070 so we have more accurate reports.

@@mightyturnip5070 so we have accurate numbers???

@@mightyturnip5070 hahahah 🤣

@JoggaStoppa™ incorrect, the numbers of deaths we see reported from covid correspond to the numbers of excess deaths we've seen when comparing the deaths from previous years

yeah realistically you could only protect the elderly in that way, assuming they even want protection lol.

"It doesn't matter if obese people or anyone with comorbidities die" is her actual argument.

@@solario8628 I think it’s more like “their death is more directly linked to the consequences of their actions and health decisions that I don’t think the rest of us should bend over backwards to accommodate for it.” Disclaimer: this isn’t necessarily my belief, this is just a charitable (and what I think is more accurate) interpretation of Lauren Southern’s beliefs

@@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686 I still remember when the lockdowns first started happening. The amount of elderly that said "fuck this, I don't have much longer to live, if I die I die" were shocking. I also agree with your interpretation of Lauren's opinion. I think she panders a bit for financial gain but her actual opinions tend to be a bit more reasonable.

You might just get a cell next to her for the same crime if you beg the judge enough!

I don't think the actual data comes into play much at all with their line of thinking. It's mostly how they feel and the personal impact it has on them. If the data can support them then they'll use it, if not they just dismiss it.

They don't even believe the statistics, it's pure confirmation bias all the way down

What we the point of that they don't believe the stats in the first place.

Because there's no actual total number of deaths. Just about all the countries had different measures when reporting their numbers and some never really reported any at all. I don't trust the USA numbers, since they included deaths with covi i.e. people who's cause of death was gun homicide.

@@simonwinn8757 So first off you know excess deaths is an easy enough way to measure this without even having to actually look at reported numbers? Do you know what excess death counting involves? Also what evidence do you have of that conspiracy claim?

I think the argument they’d make is the damage it did to children. Of course you can survive without use of your legs. COVID may have long term mental health consequences in children and more importantly it killed kids rather than crippled them (not sure what the death rate from polio really was). Polio is this visible thing and the damage it causes is also really hard to ignore.

You are wrong though. Polio had almost 15% rate of mortality while covid only had 3.5%. Also polio had way worst side effects specially to children. I'm sorry I agree conservatives re dumb but your argument is not it. Also covid 19 mortality includes people that had other diseases while having covid. Yes covid could've been the reason that made the previous condition worst and made the person die, but in some cases covid19 made no difference in the previous condition, the person died from the condition and the death still counted for ths covid statistics. My brother worked with patients with covid since the start of the pandemic and he confirmed me this. But yeah I do agree almost everyone should've had the covid vaccine, only people that where extremely debilitted or had bad reactions to the vaccine can consider not taking it but risking having covid.

Except the CDC, WHO, AMA all stated the covid deaths were over reported by as much as 50% so try again.So yea stop cherry picking and get correct info.

why are vaccines legally classified as unavoidably unsafe?

Covid doesn't paralyze you though

even if just to have a tool for later he really just lets the opposition babler away as much as he withstands to dispute it

"well you see the e in ego means you have to let the "E" go" - Mohammad Ali

bruh, destiny is the worst example ever of "letting the ego go", he will stick to his talking points until his grave even if he is clearly wrong.

watching this a year later 90% of destiny’s takes were retarded

Let the record be shown that zero deaths are attributed to mio-KYDORTIS.

He need pen and paper for these people

"You can respond, but first I have a question." *tells some sort of story that Lauren comments on*

It was more of a 4 v 1 tbh

Destiny is good in 1vX debates when he’s not being stopped from talking by an extremely biased mod.

then why don't he speak more that's his own fault

Nice Joker avatar glad you're on our side brother

Do a little bit of research instead of uncritically believing destiny, when you adjust for factors like that the data still very clearly shows that the places with the most authoritarian policies did the worst.

I guess thats like conservative virtue signaling?

@@micfail2 I didn't say anything about destiny or anyone else's facts. I made an observation about what they cited as being an important factor in whether they thought a country's response was good. Every single one of these people could be wrong, but it's important to notice why they gave the answers they did...

Yes. But that’s because destiny is a means justify the ends kind of guy, whereas obviously conservatives are not. This is pretty simple ethical philosophy and it’s hilarious u think this is some interesting aspect of the discussion.

👏👏👏

Jesus man I'm sorry 😔 Those comments on hospitals were absolutely insane. Apparently, Savannah never talked to nurses "on the street" while she interviewed "REAL-Americans"©

She sounded like my local newswoman reporting on a puff piece.

She's A Lil Goofy Fa Sho ... But Pointing Out Mispronounciations Isn't The Kool Dunk U Think It Is !!

@@masasosaa9835 It is, actually. This isn’t “covefefe”. This is a self-professed journalist, debater, and public figure who actively steps onstage to debate over the nuances of a deadly disease in front of the public. If she can’t understand common pharmacological suffixes like “itis” (inflammation), then this is a disgusting abuse of her responsibilities. I’m sorry that you can’t see this.

@@jelko2850 Have A Good Day ! 👍

Also, if they're so easily manipulated, why can't everyone also identify when these specific statistics are manipulated? Why is it only people with a certain set of beliefs able to see when something is wrong, yet no one else is?

Honestly this happens way too much with the average person. Whenever I'm arguing/discussing/debating someone, I always try to ask them after they reference a study if they believe that statistics can be skewered disingenuously or unconsciously, and if they say Yes I ask for them to give me an example of a study that they referenced, if they say no then I try to point one out in a study that they reference in order to show how either side can fall into misinformation both quickly and accidentally.

An easy example would be covid death statistics, as it's been widely known and accepted that people who simply had covid when they died were marked as covid deaths. its a dumb argument tho because it doesn't really go anywhere.

@@Shadowh8ter To that point, Fauci called it out on the air when he said that not every child who went to the hospital with COVID (and was therefore added to the "children hospitalized" statistic) went due to COVID. However, he then proceeded to not make that same point for adults, so that was an example of someone both pointing out statistical manipulation and manipulating statistics at the same time.

The problem is,this is absolut what both sides think, that the other is naiv and easy manpulated,the more politics came into play,the worse it gets.

Probably dumb question but what do you mean by prime?

@@lewistillett206 It means just usually airing on one side of a particular issue, topic or opinion usually intentionally through coated and low key language so when the actual conversation starts the audience and others are subconsciously already thinking about X Y and Z in a certain way.

@@eternalblue4660 Nice explanation, ty

@@Vovoxa7 Algood

@@eternalblue4660 Thanks, thought that was the case

Her joke about Destiny gaming had a point. Those who are introverts can handle lockdowns far better than those who are extroverts. If your routine is playing video games 8 hours a day (not an ad hom, I have done this myself as a teenager), then lockdown doesn't disrupt you very much. If your routine is going to the gym, then work, then hang outside w/friends, then go to a restaurant, then go to the movies; lockdown will completely mess you up.

I love how you try to fish for a semi coherent statement of substance in all of what Lauren said lol good job simp

Talking about TBD ^ obviously

@@Thebullshitdebunker Wasn't this in response to destiny sayingnhe couldn't see his fiancée?

@@tarfielarchelone2674 IIRC yes, but it really doesn't matter. The overall point still stands, despite if the joke/comment was mean or used as an ad hom. The point being introverts can handle lockdowns far better than extroverts. So when some introverts say that lockdown wasn't a big deal, they are correct; FOR THEM. It was a big deal for everyone else who wanted to enjoy the fruits of a standard, functional society.

lol

Yeah it wasn't fair at all, no way you can take Destiny with just 4 people

Facebook memes make them feel smart

They are acting like SJWs LMAO

Imagine shilling for big Pharma lol. Couldn’t be me.

@@malbasedvalentine3210 you need to better your comprehension skills.

As opposed to blindly trusting every federally approved talking point without question or concern.

Just more evidence these people don't know and don't care about facts

yea this was just plain annoying

It shouldn't be illegal to spread AIDS, if you have a healthy immune system you will probably catch it in time to get treatment. It should my freedom to spread AIDS.

Yea usually I'm happy to simp for Lauren but this just wasn't it 😭

The fact he's not allowed to respond makes it worse.

Facts

I'm not a conservative so I don't hold the vaccine bad view point, I do however hold the "I'm the president and if I say everyone has to get vaccinated then everyone has to get vaccinated" to scrutiny. I know that was hyperbole.

Yes because it was going to be an option to get it , Biden first said it was an option then went back on his word and forced everyone in the government and contractors that work under the government to get it or lose there job. He also tried to go after smaller businesses but got sued for going above his government branch.

@@karatechris09 I’m talking about the vaccines and the development not mandates. Yeah some of the mandates were contradictory or even unnecessary but as far as getting the vaccine out quick. Conservatives had no issue with the vaccine being made quick under Trump. They wanted it out as fast as possible so things can get back to normal. Vaccine aren’t 100% cures and people keep forgetting that. We’re living with the consequences of getting it out so fast.

It must be exhausting trying so hard to push a narrative only for Trumpgod to go against it causing them to constantly backpedal.

@@terrellk3242 I absolutely agree it was push out too quick and not enough testing done on the vaccines. The people who said they will never take the vaccine while Trump was in office is the exact people that was pushing so hard for everyone to get the vaccine when he out of office say….Kamala Harris, the vaccine did not change only our leadership. Yes vaccines are not 100% but when a virus has a higher infection rate vs mortality rate people will weigh the option if they will take the chance of adverse side effects vs a stronger case of the flu. I promise you if a different strand of smallpox broke out again people would desperately will to take any vaccine because death is likely if you get smallpox till a cure to it is made.

I like the part at the beginning when she says "But we were told it was... safe and effective!"

She's just trying to get to the nuts and bolts, dude.

SHE DON’T BELIEVE DATA OR STATISTICS

yes she would have made me hover my hands over her neck lol. she just thinks that talking loud and over people make her seem smart

I think I would have smacked her when she had the balls to say Destiny wouldn't like her talk after asking him like 5 questions and talking over him after like 3 seconds of a response.

I believe them though. These people only watch Fox News, and I absolutely buy the story of "Tucker Carlson or whoever was ranting and raving about The Evil Democrats and their corona policies, and stopped to rave and rant about the russia ukraine war instead! (and still try to find a way to shoehorn in Democrat Bad no matter how far they need to reach to do it)".

@@rocketrelm1125 I don’t know how much I believe her specifically, but I completely believe that there are people that think that because they only watch Fox News. I just don’t know how someone continues to have these conversations, when opinions like this are thought of as actual thought and not being brain dead

Lauren used Destiny like a good boy. Now she has a bigger voice again and she will backstab him. "I just want to learn and have a discussion." Can't believe how his community fell for it.

@@jayjoe3716 I think you're reading into a cringe joke way too much mate lol

@@jayjoe3716 I mean I agree and disagree publicly it will look like that socially I can be friends with people who believe different then me ur not a bad person just because u disagree with me I don't think Lauren is as bad as ur saying was he used yes was it like a leach naaa they are kinda friends they have life's outside of there political discourse

She was joking. No one took that seriously besides you apparently.

@@danteferno4595 what was the timestamp? I want to hear this for myself

👍🏻 your a clown if you think Covid should have caused the lockdowns. There is plenty of proof covering the government’s ass

love how the moderator keeps bailing the loudest one out everytime destiny tries to ask a question to illustrate why her argument was dumb

I was with you until that last sentence wtf. You agree with people being shot for violating Spanish flu mandates? Wanna clarify

''Lmao totally ok to shoot people who don't follow mandates guys we're the rational ones amaright'' And yet you wonder why people like Lauren get 'emotional' over this, y'all are part of the problem.

@@JayD73 it's the reason these people push back so much. I've had some of the most heinous shit said to me because I refused the vaccine because I don't want to reward people for guiltily and shaming. I'm pro Vax but if the tactic to get the hesitant vaxxed is to make them fear you and feel like trash, then I also refuse to get it. Truthfully, I don't want to live in a world where people collectively act out the belief that we can get what we want by being nasty to others. I'd rather live in a world where discourse is to use logic and reason to convince others.

wholesale agree with you and im kind of wondering why i wasted my time listening to this idiot circle jerk and for that matter why he even bothered with this debate, none of these ladies are operating in reality and this wasn't a constructive conversation on any of the interesting points Destiny brought up like half way through the video

Same but i switched to Novichok halfway through.

Or better yet, a butcher that doesn't believe in washing their hands because germs are fake..

She legit doesn't have a single study or actual "data" on her website that goes over COVID information. It's a joke.

sorry guys the caffeine just kicked in