It's Not The Poor Folk (Original Song)...A Response To "Rich Men North of Richmond"

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Seth Staton Watkins

Seth Staton Watkins

11 ай бұрын

It's Not The Poor Folk (Original Song)...A Response To "Rich Men North of Richmond"
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I wrote this song, "It's Not The Poor Folk", also known as "Proletariat Rising", in response to a song that has gone viral called "Rich Men North of Richmond" by Oliver Anthony which has been hailed as the next great working class anthem. It starts out great commenting on the plight of working folk and the indifference of greedy politicians, but then he turns to admonish other poor folk for eating "fudge rounds" while on welfare. For someone who doesn't want the government to have any control, I find it odd that he wants to control what poor people can and can't eat. And while he identifies the problem, long hours for not enough pay, he doesn't call out private corporate ownership. Those greedy capitalists who will suck you dry to maximize their profits. His solution is to lower taxes and gut social welfare programs. Not sure how those "folks in the street, [who] ain't got nothin' to eat" will get anything to eat without help. Gutting welfare programs without addressing the underlying problems won't do any good for the poor people that literally don't eat without those programs because privately owned institutions get away with paying them less than subsistence wages. There is far more abuse of public money at the top than the bottom. Other poor folk are not your enemy. I agree that modern governments aren't great and in fact, I think the modern institutions of power that utilize charismatic politics, esoteric knowledge, and a monopoly on violence as forms of domination ought to be dismantled and replaced by grass-routes mutual aid and voluntary, uncoerced work that benefits everyone so that we may once again enjoy the three fundamental freedoms outlined by David Graeber and David Wengrow in their book, "The Dawn of Everything" (2021), those being 1) the freedom to move or travel away from despotism under the auspices of universal hospitality for refugee and vagabond alike, 2) the freedom to disobey arbitrary power, and 3) the freedom to shift and negotiate social relations. But private corporate ownership of the means of production needs to be dismantled as well. Under feudalism, peasants served lords to gain access to their ill-gotten land. Under capitalism, workers serve employers in a similar fashion, renting themselves out to "earn" access to the bare necessities of life, all of which have been commodified. Even if the government is gone, you would still have to "sell your soul" to Walmart in order to eat. We cannot let the bourgeoisie divide the working class. Rise Proletariat, and make them cower.
Lyrics:
When the music starts to play
And the words sound about right
Sayin’ man how the rich ought
To be made to fight
For what they stole
For what they embezzled
Not just the politicians
But those bourgeois devils
Well, then the voice it turns
To echo those rich men
To admonish the poor
blame them for the rich man’s sins
So you want to take away
What little they’ve been given
While rich men watch and laugh
As you speak on their behalf
For it's not the poor folk who’s allowed some extra bread
Who is making you toil till you drop dead
No it is not the food stamps or new and different people
The obese and elderly or those who are disabled
I say all are your brothers and none are your enemies
So long as the rich men they suffer no penalties
Freedom is not your traditional values
Crafted from bigotry and classist realities
Freedom is freedom to move and disobey
To rely on one another to keep would be kings at bay
Say none of us can stand alone against their power
We must stand together, and make them cower
For the laws of this land have us used and abused
Owned and subordinate to our patriarchal roots
I say it's high time we reinvent this whole operation
To make mutual benefit our sole occupation
Because Freedom is freedom to move and disobey
To rely on one another to keep would be kings at bay
Say none of us can stand alone against their power
We must stand together, and make them cower
(here we go)
Yes, Freedom is freedom to move and disobey
To rely on one another to keep would be kings at bay
Say none of us can stand alone against their power
Rise proletariat, and make them cower

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@user-ci7dy1qk6z
@user-ci7dy1qk6z 7 ай бұрын
About half a month ago I stumbled on Oliver Anthony's song "Rich men north of Richmond". Today I found your song "It's not the poor folk", good sir. Cannot hold hold myself back and not through in a penny. Hope I will not sound naive or detachted: Due to the sins of a rich man World apart is torn. Those who could stand together Are at each others throats. Gays fight for right to marry Workmen - for right to eat None of it really matters In the rich man's spit Sitting on bag of dollars Sucking on fat cigar Beef among folks is a bonus For rich men to stay where they are. People could be united, But bitterness narrows sight: When every day is a nightmare, With woe eyes may come blind. But stay true to your ideals, In those you love seek worth: Don't trust lies of puppeteers The self-proclaimed kings round the world.
@StarMe555
@StarMe555 9 ай бұрын
These lyrics are take my breath away. I swear this epitomizes 2023.
@hungrymusicwolf
@hungrymusicwolf 11 ай бұрын
And thus the discussion is held in song. I love it. Edit: Great, now I have another song to go on repeat for who knows how many times.
@singingway
@singingway 8 ай бұрын
Great job! You embody the true spirit of Irish folk as it echoes through the whole world.
@shamusduffey4873
@shamusduffey4873 6 ай бұрын
I like how the end doesn't get way too aspirated and overdone but also it doesn't sound flat.
@christianlocascio178
@christianlocascio178 10 ай бұрын
"To make mutual benefit our sole occupation." Words to live by. As someone pointed out, "Rich Men North of Richmond" delves into the pain of our circumstances. But it does not delve into any solutions. Your piece does. Keep writing and singing.
@deepspacehippie8186
@deepspacehippie8186 11 ай бұрын
Great song, as someone with cerebral palsy thanks for looking out for the vulnerable.
@jesseshedd7865
@jesseshedd7865 7 ай бұрын
Same here with the cerebral palsy brother the way I see it neither Oliver nor Seth missed the mark their aiming to solve the same problem but they're aiming their sites at a different source Oliver is most concerned with those in power making the laws and playing us like fiddles as opposed to Seth who is more concerned with the rich men behind the actions of the rich man north of Richmond and the politicians Seth is going after the money and his logic is we deprive the tyrants of resources and we win as opposed to Oliver who wants to aim his gun directly at the tyrants instead of Simply depriving them of resources they're both aiming for the same goal with different methods
@adamgorecki32
@adamgorecki32 10 ай бұрын
Whole heartily agree here, both songs are amazing but I agree with the message that you put forth more.
@TheSupaman98
@TheSupaman98 9 ай бұрын
Nope. Social Welfare is the problem. Oliver Anthony is better.
@LexitaMai
@LexitaMai 9 ай бұрын
​@@TheSupaman98 There is no "nope" to what someone's opinion is lmfao.
@shadowmage36
@shadowmage36 10 ай бұрын
What key is this in? I need to learn to play it!
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
It's in the key of G!
@noskerdycatUSA
@noskerdycatUSA 11 ай бұрын
Great song! While Oliver's lyrics mean different things to different folks, I didn't feel he blamed welfare. Instead, I see the "Rich Men" song addressing the dichotomy of a failed welfare system, and also the powerful and tyrannical political and corporate entities that play a significant role in shaping that system. It portrays a system in crisis; a system that is edging towards a 2 tier economy. It would be great if more songwriters followed your lead of responding with their art, as I believe it would create a cultural shift in music emotionally, and with a message for the new century.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
Well said.
@Wraiths_and_Wreckage
@Wraiths_and_Wreckage 11 ай бұрын
he just doesnt want the government taking a giant chunk out of his check and wasting it, which it does constantly. i cant' look at my gross without wanting to organize another revolution.
@emeraldstardust10
@emeraldstardust10 11 ай бұрын
All of this
@TiviylScratch
@TiviylScratch 10 ай бұрын
That's how I took the original song as well. Very well said my friend.
@comyuse9103
@comyuse9103 10 ай бұрын
considering it was, and still is, heavily boosted and astroturfed by american oligarchs (it was literally played during the recent republican debate), i don't believe that for a single second. rich men is a subtle propaganda piece.
@bbbartolo
@bbbartolo 11 ай бұрын
Hallelujah! What a song. And I hope you have more original songs in you, because you'll have a big impact with your marvelous voice and great musicianship. 🤩🤩
@c.kainoabugado7935
@c.kainoabugado7935 5 ай бұрын
Excellent. Its full circle that the country's people sing about the corporatism being lived. Moving on to justice, freedom & love like the Hammer song is easier now. 🎉
@simonolshan-cantin1067
@simonolshan-cantin1067 11 ай бұрын
'Freedom is not your traditional values [...] Freedom is freedom to move and disobey To rely on one another to keep Would be kings at bay' SO GOOD :)
@adamwhite7243
@adamwhite7243 9 ай бұрын
I need the chords please 🙏 been playing guitar for 20 years but still cant play by ear 😢
@festkonfekt9172
@festkonfekt9172 10 ай бұрын
would it be possible to find the chords for this somewhere
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
It's in the key of G and and can be played with just G, C, D and Em.
@troykeeling4490
@troykeeling4490 10 ай бұрын
Perfect
@TheAutisticFrog
@TheAutisticFrog 7 ай бұрын
is there piano sheet music for this?
@GreyGooseBows
@GreyGooseBows 11 ай бұрын
Holy shit that's an awesome song dude!❤❤❤
@nenasadie
@nenasadie 10 ай бұрын
This is brilliant. x
@maxfieldstanton4541
@maxfieldstanton4541 5 ай бұрын
"not just the politicians, but those bourgeois devils" second favorite line. "Rise Proletariat and make them cower!" Favorite line
@PaulRGauthier
@PaulRGauthier 3 ай бұрын
yes
@PaulRGauthier
@PaulRGauthier 7 ай бұрын
Rise proletariat and make them cower!
@GuruishMike
@GuruishMike 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@leggstee9129
@leggstee9129 7 ай бұрын
乐声中充满难以掩饰的悲怆,夹杂着对未竟的事业的遗憾,还有一丝飘渺的希望。
@occupationallystrong1606
@occupationallystrong1606 10 ай бұрын
Hell yeah. This is what I am talking about
@meganstorm3248
@meganstorm3248 11 ай бұрын
Thank you. It's scary, how everyone latched onto the pain in that song & never stopped to question the decision to kick down.
@acady5164
@acady5164 8 ай бұрын
Because there was no kicking down. He was singing about a ridiculous inefficient system that allows people who are fully capable of taking care of themselves become dependent on it, when there are others who truly need help but aren't getting it. Obesity is a problem in this country especially among the poorer among us and while the system should be able to help those in need it should not make problems worse instead on better. The term, "kicking/punching down" is a nonsense propaganda term to make you argue over nonsense and completely ignore a real problem. You should stop swallowing that stuff.
@meganstorm3248
@meganstorm3248 8 ай бұрын
@@acady5164 Bullshit. In a song about the ravages of poverty from the "rich men north of Richmond," he still took the time to attack SNAP recipients with the classic poor-hate of "taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds" to blame the people even worse off than him, then immediately pivots to talking about how kicking down causes suicide. That one line did more to undermine his overall message than any hot take, and the people trying to defend it are doing the same damned thing, because it's what the rich men in DC tell you to do about it. I don't think it was deliberate, but it was telling. You don't even have the excuse of carelessness.
@PaulRGauthier
@PaulRGauthier 7 ай бұрын
@@acady5164 Who are you to decide who is "fully capable of taking care of themselves" or not? ESPECIALLY in an economic system the REQUIRES a permanent underclass of under- and unemployed, aka the reserve army of labour. Free each according to ability, to each according to need. PERIOD.
@grantdaily9662
@grantdaily9662 11 ай бұрын
Perfection
@steveallen3434
@steveallen3434 11 ай бұрын
awesome song and a great way to make your point. I thin k you have a talent for writing songs and should do more of your own songs. Thank you for introducing me to the music of Oliver I have just listened to his song and my take on it is a common complaint about welfare louts and governments not doing enough for the worker. I have also enjoyed your comments in response to the comments section most entertaining and insightful.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@stacyskenandore2002
@stacyskenandore2002 10 ай бұрын
Well said!
@CrazyViking_99
@CrazyViking_99 10 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work, comrade. You speak for more of us than you know
@nataliazakula3400
@nataliazakula3400 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately yes he does, and you are all the biggest useful idiots.
@RladalFatih
@RladalFatih 3 ай бұрын
"Rise Proletariat and make them cower!" Grandpa Marx would be proud.
@jarrythskeen8336
@jarrythskeen8336 11 ай бұрын
Well said
@slowjamsliver7006
@slowjamsliver7006 10 ай бұрын
Hear! Hear! My fellow workers!
@isomABC
@isomABC 10 ай бұрын
Pete Seeger would be proud! ❤
@imafemboyfr
@imafemboyfr 11 ай бұрын
underrated
@MatsJPB
@MatsJPB 10 ай бұрын
Heck yeah!
@camopaint0707
@camopaint0707 10 ай бұрын
well yes....but how do a lot of those politicians come to power...corporate backings....
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Yes, that is the point of the song..."not just the politicians but those bourgeois devils"
@jaredmcgahen92
@jaredmcgahen92 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins agreed, they all need to go.
@sueachoo2054
@sueachoo2054 7 ай бұрын
Wonderful, Fabulous, Lovely, and Inspiring ...lifts my mind and my soul. Thank You dear Seth ... Thank You.
@thebigs6405
@thebigs6405 7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that's he's calling out both corporate and government bullshittery
@jameswilson6977
@jameswilson6977 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant
@everrettbreezewood3665
@everrettbreezewood3665 11 ай бұрын
I know most of your listeners are socialist, but to me as MAGA, 95% of your song is gold. It is time to end worker exploitation, let regular people own houses, and provide for the homeless. Just remember that most of the exploitation is done by those against whom we have no redress. I worked hard to improve, then quit my factory job and am better off now going to drive truck. I will never be able to beat the tax machine like that. Please think on this: Very few corporations could give workers a universal fifty percent wage increase just by cutting out the grease at the top. The government complex could give workers a universal fifty percent wage increase by cutting out income tax. Politicians need the money even less than CEOs. If they had really wanted to fix homelessness and poverty, they could have done it with the budget they have. But they never will, so its up to us, the workers, to do it ourselves. And until our taxes lower, the politicians make it too difficult to feed ourselves, let alone our neighbors.
@Dhorannis
@Dhorannis 11 ай бұрын
I get where you're coming from, but there are some major problems with this. 1. Income tax for typical working class people is not that much in the US. To get to the maximum, you have to earn almost 600.000 a year (if you're single). And even then, you're only at 37%. A typical US worker is only at around 22% income tax. And that doesn't even apply to the whole amount. For someone who earns 80k a year and is single, income tax only adds up to roughly 16% of their income. Cutting that out would make a difference, but it is very far away from 50%. And if you earn less, the difference would be even lower than that. If you earn only 40k a year, you only pay 11%. 2. Taxes are used for far more than paying politicians. Do they get too much? Absolutely. But there are a lot of public services that wouldn't work without being paid for with taxes. I am always on board with changing the government to help poor people. But getting rid of income tax wouldn't change that much for poor people. I would suggest closing loopholes for rich people and increasing the minimum wage.
@everrettbreezewood3665
@everrettbreezewood3665 11 ай бұрын
​@@Dhorannis 1. Where do you live? Looking at my paychecks (factory and road work), I lose roughly 30% of my gross to either income tax or a mandatory retirement plan which I have no choice in. That means the working class people get 2/3 of their income. Adding that extra third back is basically a brand new 50%. Factoring the retirement out, I only lose about 1/5 of my money- but that means an extra 25% to my paycheck. No CEO earns 25% of all their workers combined. Let alone the self-employed people plagued by the same taxes. 2. Sure, more than paying politicians. Paying excessive soldiery, paying IRS agents, paying agency bureaucrats, paying inefficient road workers, paying 6-figure university professors/administrators, paying insurance companies, paying welfare fraudsters, paying child abusers in public school, paying lawyers for nonsense cases, paying retired people who would have made more money saving on their own, paying everybody and their brother whenever they feel like dangling a carrot to control. Obviously, some taxes are needed. Some programs are necessary. Sure, get rid of rich peoples' loopholes. But high taxes will always affect those who are working first. Statistically, working class people are the most likely to give to the poor. Take away their money, and you throw them into poverty, preventing them from giving to those who really need it.
@markstoll7179
@markstoll7179 10 ай бұрын
So what are you trying to say in the verse about “I say all are your brothers and none are your enemies so as long as the rich men they suffer no penalties”? Are you saying that the “corporate Kings” or “rich men north of Richmond” (aka politicians which is what I think he was referring to) should suffer no penalties because in both songs you’re blaming a higher power which should be more to the point than anything else in either song
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Corporate kings are owners of capital (the owner of the coal mine for example), not politicians. Politicians are largely symbolic at this point and they don't pay your wages. Your boss pays your wages and he is the one responsible for the "bullshit pay". Oliver's song doesn't mention them for some reason. Probably because they have done such a good job redirecting our anger toward the politicians (primarily those on the left). And that lyric is saying that workers should not demonize each other while the rich go unpunished. "All are your brothers" as in even obese people on welfare (they might be disabled, or a military vet, or suffer from severe mental illness...Oliver doesn't know their story yet he feels comfortable passing judgement). They are still less of a burden on society than corporate vampires. All of the poor and disadvantaged must unite against their oppressors. Not fight over the scraps. So my song is entirely on point. Oliver's deviates a bit.
@markstoll7179
@markstoll7179 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins ok it makes more sense now, I’m a Midwest farmer and I am my own boss essentially and I make a wage decided my the Chicago board of trade that decides how much I sell my crop for and it ain’t right that I buy everything for my farm at retail prices and sell my end product which is grain at wholesale price and I don’t decide the price either way, then I pay taxes to the government for stuff that ain’t necessary and I don’t have a say in where it goes either
@markstoll7179
@markstoll7179 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins and another thing if you haven’t read charley Reese’s final column for the Orlando sentinel look it up and tell me what you think
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
@markstoll7179 yours is a tough situation and a better example of a failed system. As for the column I sympathize but I think he lets corporations off the hook. When you build an entire social fabric around monetary gain, and allow limitless money into the halls of justice, corruption is inevitable. Remove the corrupt politicians sure but they will just be replaced. Remove those who corrupt them, and things might actually change for the better. Politicians don't actually make very much money from our taxes (around 0.003% of the budget goes to their salaries) so that isn't why they are taxing us. They make their money from private donors and in exchange they do their bidding, some of which is using our tax dollars to buy private sector goods (think military contractors and private medical providers...private companies that are paid billions with our tax dollars because they paid a few million to some politicians). If you make it impossible to accept that kind of money while in office, and create term limits, that office will only attract genuine public servants from each successive generation, and not career politicians who are only there to build their wealth. My two cents anyway.
@markstoll7179
@markstoll7179 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins i agree 95%, my taxes my not go to their wallets directly they go to over paying to build a bridge and a company get rich and then that company’s stock price goes up and the politician just happens to buy it a week before it goes up so what goes around comes around, and I am not saying big companies should be left alone while we put all the blame on politicians I think they should both be held equally accountable, and yes term limits for politicians should definitely be a thing look at Senator feinstein 90 years old and just signed power of attorney over to her daughter and yet she’s still allowed to vote on stuff that ain’t right
@persianprince6213
@persianprince6213 11 ай бұрын
First Yet Again! ❤🎉
@vincemoran587
@vincemoran587 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely ✊🏴🇨🇮🇵🇸🇨🇺🇻🇪🇻🇳❤️
@alannatherson7721
@alannatherson7721 9 ай бұрын
Comrade Seth Staton Watkins?
@Rrss369
@Rrss369 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this Seth! Pointing out it’s the corporate greed that is keeping us down and not the poor. Stand together is the only way we can make change!
@connorlanglais5651
@connorlanglais5651 11 ай бұрын
When did Oliver say it was the poor’s fault?
@ReflectingMoon
@ReflectingMoon 10 ай бұрын
​@@connorlanglais5651 he blames the 300 pound woman on snap benefits with fudge rounds and says nothing about corporate greed.
@kikio0529
@kikio0529 9 ай бұрын
I always took Anthony as talking about the people who abuse the system both corporate and welfare. I worked in welfare for a while- it's a sad truth that it is a system that is very abused and unfortunately it hurts the folks who need welfare the most. One thing you learn on the job is you can't take it personal because it will kill you. But seeing many fall through the cracks and other's fly by on welfare out of laziness, resulting in good kids turning to drugs and crime to get by, then I hear folks say "it's the hood kids were born bad and some bull'"...oh I get Anthony's cynical thoughts on it.
@PaulRGauthier
@PaulRGauthier 7 ай бұрын
The real abusers are the people who created and maintain an economic system that requires a permanent underclass of poor and under/unemployed to function. From each according to ability, to each according need or GTFO.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 6 ай бұрын
It is still very funny how easily you put on an irish accent when *singing but your speaking accent is so thickly american. Speaking and singing are different skills I suppose.
@icook1723
@icook1723 11 ай бұрын
My sister is on welfare. She has a rare form of epilepsy that is resistaint to therapy and surgery. She has 1 or 2 seiziures a week. She cant hold down an entry job when she cant realible work a full day (not her fault). She looks like a healty young women. But she gets disapproving looks from strangers when they see her EBT card. The vast majority of wellfare recipients are not cheating.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@icook1723
@icook1723 11 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins Love your music. Have you thought about doing Corb Lunds "This is my Prarie"?
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 11 ай бұрын
I have only met two cheaters in my life... I support you💜💜💜 and I’m on welfare too-two jobs and couldn’t make ends meet even then… down to one because the company laid everyone off in every state… major shutdown. I wouldn’t have my lifesaving medications (MH support) were it not for welfare atm… so many good and deserving people use welfare the honest way-like your sister-and they don’t deserve to suffer💜💜💜 hugs💜💜💜 May she continue to get the support that she needs.
@asiamiller6713
@asiamiller6713 11 ай бұрын
Much love & support for your sister. Sadly there are people that judge others in society without knowing their personal circumstances and some people even assume they know another person’s circumstances by appearance alone. My mom has a heart condition that she has had since childhood and thankfully as long as she takes her medications and follows Doctors orders she lives a somewhat normal life. Her physical abilities are limited so she qualifies for a disabled parking permit. When she was younger . My mom looked healthy. You couldn’t tell she had a heart condition and when she would use disabled parking sometimes people would stare at her and some even accused her of using someone else’s disabled parking permit and taking the disabled parking from others who really needed it and would get quite mean. You cant judge a book by its cover. Thank goodness your sister has you. Good bless.
@casuallytam
@casuallytam 10 ай бұрын
Your song hits it perfectly. Our corporate overlords, which really have wound up not much different than fuedal lords when the people have no choice but to fall in line or wind up homeless and dying, have done such a good job of directiong the peoples anger towards the wrong groups. Yeah, the vast majority of politicians have done a terrible job of passing laws and funding programs that help and support us, the people. Theyve gutted social safetey nets and programs to help the poor, the sick and infirm. But the CEOs, the Board of Directors and the rich men who own these companies claiming record profits year after year are the real enemies. They are the ones forcing people into long hours for terrible pay. They dont provide a living wage while they pocket millions hand over fist. They tell you to blame inflation, blame the politicians, to blame the poor. But they are the problem. Not your fellow man. Your corporate masters run the show. Blame them. Cause its their fault.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Well said.
@leopardknowledge.1430
@leopardknowledge.1430 10 ай бұрын
Why should Galen Weston be paid $10 million a year for doing nothing and why should they be able to arbitrarily bring up prices because of "operating costs"
@leopardknowledge.1430
@leopardknowledge.1430 10 ай бұрын
Why do celebrities want us to donate to charity when they themselves have the money
@leopardknowledge.1430
@leopardknowledge.1430 10 ай бұрын
Heck, Elon Musk could literally end world hunger for at least a decade.
@traditionalfolkmusic9709
@traditionalfolkmusic9709 5 ай бұрын
Political corruption is the only reason that corporate power is dominant. It used to be (and not long ago) that 80% of farmers in the US worked on small, independent farms, but laws were passed that made it hard for small farmers to function, while simultaneously giving money to the big industrial farms. Now less than 20% of farmers are independent. Also the whole concept of a 'corporation' is a legal construct. There are other types of organizations that could be dominant if they weren't defined out of existence. The root problem is squarely with the government.
@happygoluckyscamp
@happygoluckyscamp 6 ай бұрын
Wait, you're American? I thought you were Irish
@favb7931
@favb7931 4 ай бұрын
He might as well be 😄
@Omnicide101
@Omnicide101 10 ай бұрын
Common Seth W
@persianprince6213
@persianprince6213 11 ай бұрын
It's so awesome to hear an original Seth! This song is beautiful! Well done mate! ❤🎉 ✊️✊️✊️
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@flameepidemic4839
@flameepidemic4839 9 ай бұрын
Personally i took the fudge rounds line more as a way to point out that people on a check either waste their money or sit there not trying to do better because the government is taking care of them which is true in a lot but not all cases.
@cybervader3582
@cybervader3582 8 ай бұрын
Are you American ? Im so sorry for not pickingupyouraccent earlierif so (and if so wow you kinda screwed me wit ya irish rebel music lol still love your voice no matter what race you may be)
@Ames-gn9iw
@Ames-gn9iw 5 ай бұрын
Keep it up Irishman
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
So many haters here😞😞😞 sigh…
@AlAndaloceima
@AlAndaloceima 7 күн бұрын
Feudalism was not a problem because Man knew how to live in Nature (Hunting, Canning, Harvesting, Et Cetera) and didn't rely completely on a Lord, now we are completely dependent on Modern Technology, the problem is not one Class or another it's The Industrial Revolution
@yoyopg123
@yoyopg123 11 ай бұрын
Well, this isn't exactly a response because it is directed at a completely different audience. If you think Oliver and the millions of people who this song speaks to lean communist or socialist or gravitate to terms like "proletariat" and "bourgeoisie", you are very much mistaken. That's a completely different crowd. To me it's like saying, "I'd like to respond to the song 'Chattanooga Choo Choo' with the song 'Casey Jones' ". They share some similarities but are utterly different. Oliver objects to the abuse of power, not to the wealth. He wants to be taxed less so people like him can keep more of the money they earn. His dollar isn't shit because the politicians along with the Fed have deflated the currency and cause massive inflation by spending trillions on programs that amount to a bunch of nothing. He's tired of subsidizing the shitty dietary choices of people who could be working but instead sit around and milk the system, knowing that the resulting diabetes they'll incur means he'll also get to pay for their complicated heath care needs to boot. He's tired of seeing the opioid crisis claiming young men because government is running interference for Big Pharma and DC refuses to close the border thus allowing tons of fentanyl easy entry into the US. I'm sure he's got nothing against the millions "rich men" all around this country that start businesses, pay a ton in taxes, employ people, or otherwise manage to accumulate 2.2 million dollars (the current definition of rich) in assets over time - cause he's soon going to be one of those people. Obviously, the song is titled this way because it sounds more musical than the "Politicians, lobbyists, autocrats, and deep staters in DC". Anyway, love your music.
@marge3157
@marge3157 11 ай бұрын
Completely agree.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
Glad you like the music. But I'm confused...it sounds like people like Oliver want the government to back off and let these rich men keep "their" money. But how are these rich men earning said money? How do you differentiate between them? How many of them own a McDonalds franchise, or work in Big Pharma, or otherwise spend billions of dollars on marketing campaigns to sell the very same poor dietary choices or lethal drugs people like Oliver attribute to fat lazy poor people or the border? Why not call out the Sackler family? How many of these rich men vote against politicians that would seek to raise the minimum wage at the request of their constituents or curtail said efforts to sell their shitty products? And then how many work in private healthcare, either for insurance providers or private hospitals? Surely those individuals who make their living off sick people have an incentive to create more sick people. Do you see how there will always be, at some point, a fundamental disconnect between the imperatives of employers and employees, between private capital owners (these rich men) and the average citizen? For these are the same rich men that employ people, pay some taxes, and manage to accumulate more wealth than 98% of their fellow Americans all while pretending they earned every cent (i.e. as much as 400x more than those they employ). Let's continue. What happens when the people on welfare get that job at one of those McDonalds franchises, perpetuating the distribution of poor dietary choices which they then consume because they aren't paid enough (a vicious cycle of exploitation). What about the millions of Americans who simply can't afford to live on their current wages without welfare? What about those that physically cannot work? Letting the rich men keep "their" money by getting rid of taxes that fund social programs does nothing to address these legitimate concerns. Sure it might disabuse the 0.9% of abusers but the 99.1% of legitimate users are left behind. People say getting rid of welfare will force companies to pay more but then who are these people starving in the streets for whom Oliver expresses sympathy (and rightfully so)? Why aren't they employed by these rich men who just want to make an honest living and why aren't they getting paid enough to keep themselves off the streets? Are we just sad about it or do we intend to help them? They aren't on welfare, otherwise they'd be eating their fair share of fudge rounds, right? And then if they were, we'd just tell them to get a job, right? Does it not compute that most of the people on public assistance would be more people starving in the street without said public assistance? It doesn't make sense to express sympathy for a condition that is alleviated by the institution you then criticize. I think it has been well established that most people on public assistance have no desire to be in that situation. There is not a substantial number of people who make it their life goal to live in poverty on subsistence wages from the government. It's a myth and a distraction and therefore not worth bringing up. He gives it a place in his song so as to suggests an equivalence between the rapacity of the rich and the poor that does not exist. To conclude, paying workers fairly addresses these concerns (and we achieve fair wages by allowing workers to unionize and fight for fair wages...and electing politicians who will fight for them). Having social safety nets (paid for via graduated income and revenue taxes) for children, the elderly, the disabled, and anyone else who cannot work a full-job addresses these concerns. Both are only temporary solutions in my mind but for now, they can do and have done some good. So, the question is, would Oliver and people like him support the McDonalds franchise owners and their right to accumulate as much money as possible? Or would they support the politicians trying to fight for better wages on behalf of their working constituents, and social safety nets for those that can't work, that yes, some people will abuse on a small scale (again it's like 0.9%)? I think I know the answer but I hope I'm wrong.
@williamjenkins4913
@williamjenkins4913 11 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins Man I'm not trying to argue economic theory right now. Whether you like it or not almost all country listeners are devout capitalist.
@yoyopg123
@yoyopg123 10 ай бұрын
@sethstatonwatkins You literally asked 17 questions (albeit a couple of them rhetorical) in your response - all valid subjects to discuss and debate, but are tangential to the central point I was making in my previous post. These two songs are talking PAST each other in terms of their target audience. They appeal to different constituencies. What @williamjenkins4913 said so well and succinctly "whether you like it or not almost all country listeners are devout capitalists." In CURRENT times, the audience in the song you rebut with hits the G-spots of anti-capitalists, impressionable students taking questionable degrees ending in "studies", Bernie Sanders and AOC speech writers, and University Faculty lounge dwellers. Those people (and the self-identifying elites at places like the Lincoln Project, Bulwark, and NYT) hate and attack Oliver's song because they know he and his audience come with the life and value perspectives of a different tribe they loathe - the “deplorables”, the “clingers”, the “irredeemables”, or on your side of the planet, the “Gammon”. Evidently, he reads scripture before his concert. It doesn’t get more “clinger” and vile than that in the eyes of his detractors. I’m not making the case that Oliver’s song is a classic anthem for a generation. Who knows if anyone will be listening to it in five years time? But if you divorce the lyrics from the music and apply a LITERAL interpretation to the words vs. a figurative reading, then you certainly can pick apart (deconstruct as “smart crowd” says) the song and completely miss that the sum of the parts deftly captures the zeitgeist of a particular moment in time. This highlights the power of music (and oratory as well). I could deconstruct the Straubs “Part of the Union” song and paint a very harsh and disagreeable picture via a pedantic, word by word analysis. But I accept and acknowledge the song should be taken figuratively. I’ll do the math and accept that there are valid grievances and history to back up the anger that this simplified, short-hand, pop song version (which, if read literally) barely rises above an adolescent temper tantrum on the page. I’d apply the same standard to your song “It’s Not the Poor Folk” and “Rich man North of Richmond” - the sum is better than its parts. There are very few actual Nihilists walking around wishing to live with the realities of civilizational chaos that would ensue should that philosophy be put into practice. But there are masses of people that will happily sing along and tap an approving toe to John Lennon’s “Imagine”, which is perhaps the best anthem to nihilism I’ve ever heard. Such is the power of music, for good and for ill. Lastly, to you or anyone else reading this far believing that I’m ignoring the list questions you posed -- 15 years ago I would have probably gone down the list and spent a paragraph or two trying to thoughtfully answer each one. But having gone down this road multiple times, I’ve learned that the most reliable response is to have the responses I’ve made ignored and then be presented with a host of new questions that I’m expected to respond to. Honestly, I would probably have answered if limited to one or two points to rebut, but at the end of the day I just stand by the point I made in my second sentence. Be well.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
@yoyopg123 Respectfully, your entire response is set against a straw man and that is likely because you didn't address the questions raised. Those "17 questions" weren't in response to Oliver's song or his art but to the narrative YOU crafted to generalize people like Oliver and his fans. If you aren't going to take the time to analyze that narrative, maybe it shouldn't have been crafted to begin with. You can say that all country listeners are devout capitalists, but what does that even mean? Does it hold up when you start asking questions like those I posed to you? Would Oliver support the business owner or his fellow wage laborers? I think it likely that answers will vary in which case we have a nuanced situation with nuanced actors that could then begin to discuss and debate these subjects that are supposedly "tangential to the central point", for they are only tangential because instead of addressing them, you would sit here and categorize all people in this debate as rigid anti-capitalists (and all of the derogatory and politically motivated terms you used to describe them), or rigid capitalists (those the anti-capitalists would supposedly call "deplorables" though I have only ever heard that from Hillary Clinton who most certainly is not an anti-capitalist), rather than dissecting their thoughts and feelings to determine what they actually believe beyond the shallow definitions most people hold in their minds. I would have them engage the nuances behind the ideologies rather than simply identify with this or that term without a second thought. If someone can't describe to me why they are a devout capitalist, they very likely aren't a devout capitalist but I would be interested in asking them questions to determine what they do believe. Also, I find your needless jabs (such as "impressionable students taking questionable degrees ending in 'studies'") distasteful and not unlike those jabs you attribute to Oliver's detractors. They betray your bias for I think you referenced terms like "deplorables" to present the people you identify as my primary audience as generally condescending but that falls flat when you then condescend those people in the same manner. People are allowed to study what they wish, and unless you wish to sit in and engage with those students and their professors, those "university faculty lounge dwellers" - as if to suggest they do nothing else - you are simply commenting on that of which you willfully remain ignorant. Finally, John Lennon's song "Imagine" isn't about nihilism (in my opinion as that is primarily all we can attest to here). In fact it is likely the opposite. Taken at face value, it is what its parts suggest, a world where the things that divide us don't exist and therefore, a world where we are completely united as one human community. Or even better, as Lennon put it himself: "'Imagine', which says: 'Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics,' is virtually The Communist Manifesto, even though I'm not particularly a Communist and I do not belong to any movement." I can see why perhaps a devout catholic might wish to present it as nihilism, but it would be naive to recognize such an interpretation without also recognizing the catholic as holding convictions that the song threatens to undermine (those being faith in their god and their particular religion). It would seem in this instance you have betrayed your biases once again, in that you would give credence to the catholics' interpretation of Lennon but not the leftists' interpretation of Oliver. And that's when leftists aren't even criticizing the entire song, just the parts of it that you would have us believe need to be taken figuratively. In my opinion, if Oliver's song gives a conflicting message, and therefore can't be dissected or taken literally, it probably isn't a song with a strong message. More just a rant against various groups of people and nothing which hasn't been said many times before. That is not to say he isn't talented. He is very talented and he gave a very compelling performance nonetheless. Anyway, be well yourself.
@tora0neko
@tora0neko 11 ай бұрын
No gods no kings
@paulmatters2641
@paulmatters2641 5 ай бұрын
Best since the great Luke Kelly
@maxfieldstanton4541
@maxfieldstanton4541 11 ай бұрын
RAISE THE SCARLET STANDARD! SOLIDARITY! ✊✊✊
@mikemcghin5394
@mikemcghin5394 11 ай бұрын
Hay seth are you refinancing that west Virginia coal miner
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Hey Mike, I'm guessing you're the coal mine owner trying to redirect the anger of your disabused employees. Those that still live anyway. How about instead of trolling my comment section, you pay your miners what they are worth and give them safer working conditions. Sell your yacht if you have to.
@mikemcghin5394
@mikemcghin5394 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins no I'm not I just couldn't remember his name. And as for you to know 2 of my great grandfather were 2 of original rednecks that fought at Blair Mountain so I'm not a coal mine owner
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
@mikemcghin5394 well then your great grandfathers are true American heroes. I hope you follow in their footsteps.
@oliverhede6612
@oliverhede6612 10 ай бұрын
this is a good song, tho i disagree with your interpretation of some of Olivers lyrics, though i will not sit here and say that my way of interpretation the lyrics are the right one either, but im thinking these are the lyrics you are talking about in your song (Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothin' to eat And the obese milkin' welfare Well, God, if you're five-foot-three and you're three-hundred pounds Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of Fudge Rounds Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground 'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down) the way i see these lyrics, are that some off the biggest problems in america today, is obesity, homelessness and folks never being able to afford a place to live on their own No matter how hard they work, and when he says "Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down" i think he means both the hard working folks and the obese, and homeless people, the reason i think that is because it has become a business for Corporations and dirty politicians to keep obese and homeless people, homeless and obese, there are an insane amount of money involved and so they keep the people homeless and obese by "kicking them down" instead of taking care of the problem also he doesn't mention anything about disabled people either like you do in your response, another thing is that Corporation greed and the rich getting richer is exactly the thing he is singing about both in this song and in alot of his other songs hence the name "rich men north of richmond", he is singing about how corporations own everything in america and they do, they own the wealth the resources the land and yes even the "welfare" it is a place of pure corruption and everybody knows it but nobody can or will do anything. anyway that's my rant.
@Billzor991
@Billzor991 10 ай бұрын
Seth, thank you so much for writing and singing this. It's really distressing to see a song being lauded by the far right being loved by some people with 'left' leaning tendencies too. How quick people will want to blame the poor and the sick for their problems. I saw this last night on Spotify and I couldn't believe it, I was really happy!
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@boejiden1942
@boejiden1942 25 күн бұрын
I'm guessing you didn't know about corporate welfare... Billons of dollars to corporations from the government. Same root problem that social welfare has. The government is keeping us all down.
@michaelcreighton5116
@michaelcreighton5116 2 ай бұрын
Seth. The problem is the common man no longer has the means of production. The real economy is distributivist, not capitalist=socialist. Read Pope Leo XIII Rerum Novarum and Pope Pius XII Quadragessimo Anno.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
No hate to Anthony. He is an amazing artist and I sympathize with his song but I personally felt he missed the mark on this one.
@ting4758
@ting4758 11 ай бұрын
Why should my money be taken from me to support others who have made bad decisions that I have not. It's bad that some are in the those positions and need help, but it's none of my business and its being forced upon me. Freedom to disobey you say, I can think of nothing more free than telling the government to shove it when they're taking my money under threat of force. But yeah, greedy capitalists are bad. That part's common sense.
@Timspt8
@Timspt8 11 ай бұрын
Social safety nets are very important for a welfunctioning society
@7979Army
@7979Army 11 ай бұрын
Considering I’m without insurance here till the 1st of September and I have disabilities but still paying $120-340 per Doctors visit as I’m still recovering from a wreck and surgery from this year after loosing my last job. Yeah he did miss it. But to many here in America there’s so much political motivation for things people don’t understand where to actually place the blame for things.
@Jameslwallalce1990
@Jameslwallalce1990 11 ай бұрын
@@ting4758 For the same reason its taken to support infrastructure like roads, the military, First responders, libraries, etc. if you don't want to pay your taxes, then don't use any of the infrastructure it supports. Don't drive any vehicles you own, on any of the roads, use the internet that you're currently using, or the power, and move off the grid and stop interacting with society, as these are all services that are subsidized by the government that you pay a premium to use. However if you are still choosing to interact with society in any meaningful way that means you have to pay into it.
@MsLovieGirl
@MsLovieGirl 11 ай бұрын
Seth, thank you for this song. It is beautiful and powerful. I am disabled, my brother is an injured gulf war veteran. Your song really resonates with me regarding our relatives, who are part of the capitalism you sing of. Thank you for singing truth!
@mikekratochwill4195
@mikekratochwill4195 10 ай бұрын
💙💙💙💙
@CutTimeBrony
@CutTimeBrony 11 ай бұрын
While I liked rich men and it was refreshing to see a political country song not just shit on the left, the welfare and 300 lb verses really sat poorly with me. Thanks for making this. Some of these responses in the comments are a big oof though, if not unexpected.
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
OOF indeed! I can’t stop reading tho…
@Shawn-mm3oj
@Shawn-mm3oj 8 ай бұрын
Any song that inspires the people moves my heart keep up the good work
@oprime0078
@oprime0078 9 ай бұрын
I’ve listened to both songs, I think there might’ve been a disconnect somewhere, of course this is always possible as music is subjective But to me both of your songs meant the same things, I enjoy them both. Continue making awesome music, it sounds amazing and is a delight to listen too.
@tqxy24
@tqxy24 11 ай бұрын
This is for those of us who work hard. No where we are from, our skin tone or religion etc
@kadendavid2043
@kadendavid2043 11 ай бұрын
I love all of your work, as most of them have kept me trudging along when I was still in the Military, and even more so when I was a Civy cop. However to me personally, I dont feel as if Chris (Olliver) was targetting social welfare as a WHOLE. To me it felt like he was calling out the people who ABUSE the welfare system, which ive had to deal with personally on a daily basis. He's talking about the people who REFUSE to play their part and suck money away from the poor who NEED it simply because they can, and ive been told this to my face before. Dealt with a lady who had 3 kids in her car who was unemployed BY CHOICE, because she'd get more in handouts than she would getting a job to provide for her kids. Those are the ones he's targeting, not the ones who struggle, fight, and try their hardest. Hell, as a family of 5 in the Military, I had to suck up my pride and be on food stamps while stationed in California because we were literally poor. I could barely feed my family, my wife worked also, and the Military paid us next to nothing as we lived in a 1950's house that was infested with black mold. It sucks, made me feel like I was worthless as a Dad and Husband, and I was on the verge of becoming another Veteran statistic. It pisses me off when people abuse a good thing, but your song still rings true. Another wonderful piece, just as the rest of yours are.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
I appreciate the response but I disagree. It sounds like you're saying it would have been better for that mother of three children to take on a full-time job, or several, for less pay than she was currently receiving while then also likely having to pay thousands a month for childcare while she worked? All while her employers rake in record profits and provide no extra benefits? I would rather she live comfortably with her three children on a government check than subject herself to that nonsense. Fix the private sector and you don't need welfare. But you can't get rid of welfare first. Like you said, you needed those food stamps through no fault of your own. And that mother of three children needed that government money through no fault of her own.
@kadendavid2043
@kadendavid2043 10 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins Oh I never said we should get rid of welfare. i just find it distasteful when people purposely choose to not work or earn an honest living to provide for their family simply because it is easier to milk the system by raking in the child support from the Fathers of the kids AND then living off of welfare. She was bragging about not having to work because she used the kids to get child support. I entirely don't care if people use the welfare HONESTLY, but when people start using the system like the way she did it irritates me. Again, i have NOTHING against honest people using the assistance the way it's intended. That is what it's for.
@RobWaters
@RobWaters 10 ай бұрын
So here's the problem with the welfare abuse bit. In the overall numbers they report, that includes spending for Medicaid programs AND fraud committed against the Medicaid program. Folks at home trying to figure out how to make $40 in SNAP benefits last two weeks aren't committing Medicaid fraud, which is a massive majority of those "bad" numbers. In the food assistance program, 1 to 1.5% of ALL recipients nationally are found to be abusing the system. (Also child and spouse support isn't a handout since it's determined by a court who would also reduce it on her if they found her situation to be one where she shouldn't be getting so much that she's "living" off of it in your mind.)
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@sethstatonwatkins I’ve been thinking a lot about this… genuinely a lot over the last few days… specifically, “Fix the private sector and you don’t need welfare” I agree, that would help people like me, for whom $16-and even $20, when I had it-an hour isn’t near a living wage… but, say we do fix the private sector-there are still many people who cannot work, and may never be able to work, in some instances, due to debilitating conditions. When the private sector is fixed, what support is offered to those who truly cannot work? How do people like my grandma-elderly, severely physically disabled, mentally ill, not making it on social security alone, nor with the added widow’s benefits-survive? Is there help for them if we do fix the private sector, and what would that help be? What will the private sector do for them when welfare goes away, and would that ever be enough to truly, permanently undo welfare? No hate, I’m just genuinely curious if you have any ideas, as I can’t think of a good enough solution… 🧐🧐🧐
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
@menyou1443 welfare should always exist for people like your grandmother. We can fix the private sector and empower workers and we can also take care of those who cannot work for themselves.
@josephesquivel4066
@josephesquivel4066 2 ай бұрын
Nah it's both
@laterreurrouge1917
@laterreurrouge1917 10 ай бұрын
Will this song find its way to spotify? I need this in my playlist
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Soon!
@laterreurrouge1917
@laterreurrouge1917 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much in advance, comrade
@RockSpiders
@RockSpiders 9 ай бұрын
Great song! I just think you kind of missed the point of Anthoney's song The song talks about government overreach and addreses the corruption of the current system, making politicians and their corporate friends richer at the cost of the working class being oppressed. The only refrence he makes to wellfare is his disaproval of people who are obese and able to work but have through their lifestyle become a burden on society. He never says anything against anyone who needs wellfare due to actual medical conditions or circumstances they have no control over. Just thought I would add my 2 cents I love your music Seth. Keep en coming😂
@zeddwulfen7737
@zeddwulfen7737 8 ай бұрын
He intentionally missed the point to push a narrative.
@johnhernandez284
@johnhernandez284 10 ай бұрын
My coworkers can't even work more than 64 hours without them taking out so much in taxes that the check is worth less than what it was with less hours. Sorry but I think a lot of it is the government that's keeping us down. That's not to say that there's not corporate laundering as well in fact that's another big part of what's corrupting our government
@slowjamsliver7006
@slowjamsliver7006 10 ай бұрын
I'd suggest your coworkers look into that. That sounds like someone is scamming him. It is always better to work more with the taxes systems in both Canada and the USA. Other than municipal taxes, everything is a progressive taxes, and not flat percent tax. It can become less worth your time, but you should always be making more unless you are trying to qualify for welfare. Then it is the means testing that will bite you.
@isaiahbasaldua924
@isaiahbasaldua924 11 ай бұрын
this is a great response to that song amazing work
@denisesaylor9692
@denisesaylor9692 10 ай бұрын
Keep it up!! Culture is such a huge part of any revolutionary movement. Love this so much.
@spmoran4703
@spmoran4703 10 ай бұрын
It's true Seth . Small business is beautiful . The small little shops and such things . Our food and our clothing should not be a right for power for politicians . BE A REBEL . Dont look left or right . But look to those who need . The family struggling to feed themselves , the veteran sleeping out on the street . The disabled person , told that they are useless and a waste of space , time and money . We tried Left it didnt work . We tried Right, same thing . But we havent tried Compassion yet . Compassion is not for whimps it is strength. The strongest thing . Slainte my Irish American cousin. This a great song with truth going all the way through it.
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
Man I love this!!! Well done💜💜💜
@comyuse9103
@comyuse9103 10 ай бұрын
...you just said be a left winger. the left is the political ideology that supports mutual benefit.
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
@@comyuse9103 in theory-not in practice…
@comyuse9103
@comyuse9103 10 ай бұрын
@@menyou1443 the left supports mutual benefit. the left calls for expansion of healthcare, the left calls for the decommodification of necessities, the left calls for more humane working conditions.
@RavenJCain
@RavenJCain 10 ай бұрын
The poor are not 300 pounds eating fudge rounds. They can't afford them. Like many other people of a certain ilk, it flew over your head. People on welfare are kept from being poor, to play the part of being "the poor" so people can feel good about themselves, and profit immensely, while not actually helping the poor. "I support this party, policy, celebrity, politician, influencer, musician, song... so I'm helping the poor." Sure there are poor on welfare systems. Some come and go as intended due to domestic violence, separations, death, etc... but for most they grew up there, and they have zero intent on leaving, or real reason to. I grew up in that lifestyle. I had a cell phone, xbox, and spent most of my time playing MMOs on a high end PC, among other hobbies. Hated the end of the month when we survived on the foodshelf and macaroni etc... but loved the first week of the month where we got new toys and ate like kings. Just like the homeless issue. It is too profitable for them to exist, for those kings and queens you sing about, to actually help them. The only difference is, those kings and queens have a legit reason, that is how they make money, as disgusting as it is, but you have no excuse in supporting such a evil and disgusting system... well I guess that depends on how good your song does. It may very well be profitable.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Resorting to ad hominem attacks against my character, arguing a strawman, and claiming an anecdote as evidence of widespread abuse are all well known logical fallacies. Let's address the anecdote. While YOU may have abused the system, out of every 10,000 households engaged in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), approximately 14 were found, through a 2018 report by the Congressional Research Service, to have contained a recipient who engaged in fraud after investigation. Within the realm of SNAP, for every $10,000 distributed in benefits, around $11 is identified by state agencies as having been excessively disbursed due to recipient fraud. By way of comparison, the IRS approximates that out of every $6 owed in federal taxes, $1 goes unpaid as a result of tax evasion or fraudulent activities. People need SNAP benefits to feed their families because they can't afford food on a normal wage from private business owners. I never said that we shouldn't help people get off welfare. I said explicitly in my song to make the rich men pay. As in make the private owners of capital, your boss, pay decent wages so that people don't need welfare. If you just get rid of welfare, and do nothing else, millions of people will needlessly suffer before anything changes.
@kristentejera7160
@kristentejera7160 11 ай бұрын
Beautiful song!!!!
@charliecrowley1070
@charliecrowley1070 11 ай бұрын
Brother I'm gonna disagree and agree with you, it's both that steal from the hard working men! If we get our govt that is suppose to be for the people instead of beholden to corporate interest our society would make a big leap forward. If a politician is caught taking money from corporate interest and pushing laws to help that corporate interest, jail time no excuses! While I don't mind our tax dollars helping someone that is down on thier luck but it shouldn't support them for a lifetime unless they are physically unable to do so for themselves. If you are able body get your ass to work like the rest of us.
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
While I agree with some of your points, I disagree that welfare should not support you forever… the system traps so many of us into needing welfare for much longer than we’d like to be… your statement “if you’re able bodied get your ass to work” doesn’t resonate well for a few reasons. 1. Many people have debilitating illnesses, such as mental health struggles, that make them appear able bodied while still preventing them from working steadily or safely… what you are saying does have some merit, I agree, but it is not true of all cases. 2. Much of the downturn of our luck is written into the system, and the government in many ways prevents us from being able to turn that luck around… I was working two jobs and still couldn’t make ends meet, forcing me to go on welfare-now inflation and due payments and my wages are preventing me from doing better, as I would be absolutely hopeless without welfare. I am absolutely working, and I cannot afford to live because of so many facets in the system… my “sister” (friend) is also on welfare and works 60+ hours a week. Insurance rates and deductibles-not to mention food, gas, rent, debt, bills, and other prices-have gone through the roof, and it’s to a point where even someone toiling with two jobs cannot live without welfare. If we keep the current system, some hardworking people such as these will need to be on welfare their entire lives, and it isn’t fair to say they should lose that because they have been trying for years and overworking themselves for too little pay, only to still be unable to make ends meet their whole lives… as long as you’re trying, or need help such as the elderly and disabled (both of which my grandparents fell under) I will happily provide my tax dollars to support you in a heartbeat… I would never want someone to go hungry or without just because they can’t make ends meet for a number of years.
@charliecrowley1070
@charliecrowley1070 10 ай бұрын
@menyou1443 if you are working 40 hrs a week and are still qualifying for welfare then me personally I wouldn't have an issue with you continuing to get it. On the mental issue part I can see that ad well but also believe that would end up getting abused. I'm all for helping someone as long as they are trying to help their self but you and I know to many people take advantage of that system. Hope things get better for you!
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
@@charliecrowley1070 thank you, and fair enough! I agree that there should be screening so you can at least have some proof that you qualify for disability on the mental health front. Otherwise, as you said, so many people could try to get out of it. I’m more thinking of people who were like me in the first months post-trauma, who were having mental breakdowns for a month or more straight and had to take tranquilizers (frighteningly called as needed “antipsychotics”) to even half function without a breakdown at work or from a simple colleague interaction. I do know many people who invalidate my MH struggles because of people who absolutely abuse that and overplay their symptoms when they aren’t actually mentally ill, but just whiny. Perhaps if we have some solid procedure and COVERED psychological testing available so mental health professionals can confirm and assist the process, it would be more appropriate to assign those MH disability labels.
@charliecrowley1070
@charliecrowley1070 10 ай бұрын
@menyou1443 Hoprfully we will get our economy back and that will help you with locating a better paying job.
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
@@charliecrowley1070 I actually make good enough money-maybe when they think about what they are doing, they’ll decide that it can now equal a l*ving wage…
@camelliabell9046
@camelliabell9046 11 ай бұрын
I love this version❤❤❤
@twilek876
@twilek876 11 ай бұрын
Love this song 100% right
@arkthompson2211
@arkthompson2211 11 ай бұрын
Love this ❤
@johnburnett5377
@johnburnett5377 10 ай бұрын
If that's what you got from his song, then you weren't listening very well. Europeans love their welfare state, but actual working Americans hate every part of it. The rich men in DC, and the degenerates on the dole are equally loathed. Non Americans don't understand that, but that's your problem, not ours.
@zeddwulfen7737
@zeddwulfen7737 10 ай бұрын
Well put.
@Rrss369
@Rrss369 10 ай бұрын
Humm, as an American, and a professional that works with poor children, let me just say they would be dead without it. Especially Medicaid. Some of their parents are working two or three jobs to make ends meet. No health care and minimum wage ( which is a joke). They are the working poor! And our FEW safety nets are literally life savers.
@johnburnett5377
@johnburnett5377 10 ай бұрын
@@Rrss369 you speak of the exception, not the rule. Try to catch up.
@Rrss369
@Rrss369 10 ай бұрын
Not true! Catch up! And if the rich payed into taxes there would be plenty! Trumps tax cuts for the rich is disgusting! And raising ours! Catch up. And get off your sound bites, please!
@johnburnett5377
@johnburnett5377 10 ай бұрын
@djw8212 and you just outed yourself as a commie. Glad we got that out of the way.
@thevorticesengineer8912
@thevorticesengineer8912 11 ай бұрын
Bravo, Moilers Of Ierde rise
@ReflectingMoon
@ReflectingMoon 10 ай бұрын
As someone who lives in the Appalachians, someone who was born in Welch West Virginia and the granddaughter of a coal miner this song tells the truth where Anthony mussed the problem with his. And this song musically is better
@menyou1443
@menyou1443 10 ай бұрын
I am reading all of your responses, Seth-I hear you; and I’m listening… 💚💚💚
@Cockatrice23
@Cockatrice23 11 ай бұрын
If another revolution has to be made a civil war must begin, the question is. Will the military take out its own people, or stand with them against the unconstitutional things our government has been doing
@steveallen3434
@steveallen3434 11 ай бұрын
so stop electing the wrong government
@kadendavid2043
@kadendavid2043 11 ай бұрын
Being someone who served up till last year, I can completely say that 98% of us would gladly protect THE PEOPLE. We are tired of being used as political pawns and social experiments. We signed up to protect the rights of the people, the Constitution, against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Biden being in office has been a SEVERE morale blow to a vast number of Troops, as we feel like he could give two shots less about us, and just wants to send us off to die. When Trump was in office, our pay increased, we felt as if he viewed us as HUMAN, instead of a number on the roster. When he came to base, you could literally FEEL the excitement and loyalty he had to the Troops, which is far more than what could be said about Biden.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
@kadendavid2043 Did you miss this? Or maybe you have just chosen not to believe it? "Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed." "The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic." - Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic
@kadendavid2043
@kadendavid2043 10 ай бұрын
@sethstatonwatkins So, after reading about 10 different articles about what you posted, I noticed some key things that makes me wary to accept the Atlantic's claim outright. (Again, not saying it DIDNT happen.) Some things are that the only things I'm seeing are mainstream news outlets that are HIGHLY biased and Anti-Trump all saying almost EXACTLY the same thing word for word, as if they got the info from a single source. The Atlantic did say that they released their report to other news media outlets. However, the Atlantic said they recieved four anonymous statements that Trump said this, and that the reporters refused to name themselves or their positions. The Washington Post, another very left-leaning anti-Trump outlet said that they interviewed 25 people who testified that Trump did NOT say what the Atlantic claims, thought they could not verify the validity of their claims either. Out of the 25, 14 would be "likely-credible", and only 2 would be "very credible". All of those people, however, reported their statement without being anonymous, and gave their positions, etc. With all the reading I did do, it seems that it is EXTREMELY inconclusive if Trump ACTUALLY said what he did or not. There is no HARD evidence, only hearsay, which isn't enough to classify as proof. If there was hard evidence of him actually saying that, I would be more than willing to be pissed off and angry, but there just isn't. It seems like a political he-said-she-said battle during a heated time for election. But I'm also weary of believing ANY mainstream media outlet (republican or democrat) because of their tendency to blatantly lie and make stuff up. I'm also weary because we now know for a FACT that politicians in general will literally fabricate accusations of TREASON and Russian Collusion (Steele dossier that was PROVEN FALSE through Congressional investigation to be bought for and created by the Clinton foundation with the NHS's assistance) In an attempt to sway a Presidential election. The Mueller report that was released proved that Trump did NOT collude with Russia or take bribes from Russia, but EVERY left leaning news source out there HAMMERED out to the Public that he DID, without evidence. So again, while I am not saying he DIDNT say it, I am also not saying he did. There is too much uncertainty, too many holes, and not enough hard, factual evidence.
@kadendavid2043
@kadendavid2043 10 ай бұрын
@sethstatonwatkins I also wanted to thank you for staying respectful. I know we may disagree on some things, but that is all it is, a disagreement. You still seem like a fantastic guy that I'd share a drink with, even if we may not see eye to eye. Take care, keep writing fantastic music, and standing up for your beliefs!
@sunshynff
@sunshynff 10 ай бұрын
Thank you soooo much!!! I recently retired out a few yeas early due to an on the job injury, I've always been left leaning, but as I found out several years ago after my injury, and time on my hands, that an American moderate of left leaner was sitting on the sidelines, happy with the status quo, and right of center in any other country on the planet. Fast forward 5-6yrs, I've claimed land and firmly planted my flag in southwest region of the left, by most international standards. Living in a Midwest flyover red state, and a town located between the suburbs and "when the hell is there going to be an exit so I can pee!", hasn't been the best, but I've learned there are more lefties in rural and semi rural areas than I ever thought, but boy oh boy is everyone in love with Oliver's song, and I'm the only one in my town calling BS on it's intentions, and the dog whistles. Started to feel like maybe I had a bad take on this one, with all the flack I was getting, but seeing a couple articles today, and now this song, this beautifully written and performed song, I feel a great weight off my shoulders, glad I could rely on you, you can rely on me anytime!!
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@drewc981
@drewc981 11 ай бұрын
Well done! Definitely going to share this elsewhere
@peterrefshaw6934
@peterrefshaw6934 10 ай бұрын
I’m Irish also and a conservative. People are playing the system but when you talk about dividing people by class, that is most definitely a liberal ideal.
@LilyFisher4
@LilyFisher4 11 ай бұрын
The song “Rich men north of Richmond “ is about the corrupt politicians in DC that are destroying the US. If you listen/read the lyrics it says “ ‘Cause your dollar ain’t shit and it’s taxed to no end ‘cause the rich men north of Richmond “ those lyrics are in regards to the increasing inflation that we are currently experiencing and taxes and the reference to them wanting total control and knowing what you think and what you do. The song is not blaming poor people. The reference to obese people milking the welfare system comes after stating that there are folks in the street with nothing eat. It shows the ridiculous policies that these politicians make and how they foolishly spend tax revenue.
@ting4758
@ting4758 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, i feel that he missed the point about the song. All I have to do is look at what all the media owned by the rich are saying about it to know that it's against them.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
What happens to the poor people who use food stamps when you get rid of the food stamps? Don't they become more folks in the street with nothing to eat? What happens to the 4 million poor americans who rely on SNAP benefits to feed their families when you get rid of it because of the 0.9% who take advantage? There is a very long list of things to cut from the federal budget before you go after something that is actually tangibly helping millions of Americans every day. The poorest Americans have no money for food because private corporations don't pay them enough for food. The government isn't ineffective because of food stamps. It is ineffective because the laws of this country do more to protect private property and corporate interests than human lives.
@justahasbeen2728
@justahasbeen2728 11 ай бұрын
The obese on welfare wouldn't be so obese if they'd get jobs but the government keeps them in the system. Welfare has no time limit. Too many peope use it as a career. Americans are an obese people there is no doubt. But when the biggest are those on welfare it shows a major problem with the system. When people can use welfare to buy lobster and filtet minon why would they work and contribute to society. The system, as good as it was intended to be, is broken and can only be fixed by the politicians who don't want to give up the easy, lazy vote. Oliver's song is cashing out the politicians to care about the people as a whole.
@ting4758
@ting4758 11 ай бұрын
@@sethstatonwatkins there needs to be other things that need to happen first before we get rid of food stamps. Some ideas are to get out of the UN and NATO, stop sending billions to Ukraine, and to pull our troops out of foreign nations. What good is the American empire if it can’t take care of its people at home. It should’t give people fish, but instead teach them to catch
@Sabnock1990
@Sabnock1990 11 ай бұрын
@@justahasbeen2728 - I think we should really be addressing our American diet and the foods we allow to be sold/bought before we start blaming fat people on food stamps, as a fat person on food stamps (who is Autistic and definitely can't hold down a job), i'm at least cleaning up my diet and have went down from 230 pounds to 157/163 so far, but fat or not, that's not the issue, the issue is, our diet is full of processed crap and refined grains (which lacks a lot of the nutrition in grain), not to mention the Glyphosate and other pesticides that contaminate crops which we then eat which then wrecks the microbiome (which both bad diet, AND pesticides can alter the microbiome),, which is imo what's causing most of mental and physical health issues today. It doesn't matter why someone is on food stamps, what really matters is why "we the people" are so willfully ignorant/unconscious, and why we are so quick to give our power away to politicians and corporations who act like they know what they're doing but it's quite clear they have no idea, all they care about is power and money, and we the people suffer for it and willingly put up with it. I say, we need a second American Revolution, but a revolution of Consciousness.
@user-iq2ok5pj1x
@user-iq2ok5pj1x 11 ай бұрын
A bit academic, but the juxtaposition of these two songs and some of the debate going on in this comment section is one of the oldest arguments in leftist political discourse. Are the rural poor (peasants, in Marxist terminology) hopelessly conservative? Or with some convincing can they become a vanguard of change? Back in the day, Marx and Engels would have pointed to events like the War in the Vandee during the French Revolution as an example of why those seeking change and social justice should press on without rural support. Bakunin argued that the rural poor's interests were actually closely aligned with the proletariat, but leftist politics needed to avoid attacking their religious beliefs and avoid doctrinaire political language that alienates these folks. Having followed you for a couple years, Seth, I'm pretty sure I know which side of this debate you fall on. ;) Having lived in rural America, I've had plenty of friends whose political convictions sound very similar to Anthony's. Based off my interaction with them, both the critique of that this song misses Anthony's point about corrupt politician and Seth's counter that the Anthony is overly harsh on welfare recipients and needs to focus more on greedy capitalists are true. Rural American conservatives see a "welfare system" and corrupt D.C. politics as inextricably linked while completely ignoring corporate greed and corruption that do them greater harm. It is one of the most counterintuitive political outlooks I've ever seen. If we ever want to bring these folks' politics into alignment with their interests, there's an educational gap that needs to be bridged. For my two cents, words like "proletariat" and "bourgeois" tend to be counterproductive in this regard. They have been so deeply manipulated that the very things which should be their rallying cry scare them away. Its a gap we need to learn to bridge.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 11 ай бұрын
Well said.
@josht3125
@josht3125 10 ай бұрын
Take a deeper look at history, think about the Roman idea of bread and circuses. Welfare is bread, modern entertainment being readily accessible is our circus. Some people do need help, and many more will take what’s offered.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
You have it backwards. Most people do need help and some will simply take what's offered. So then ask yourself, why do so many people need help? Who isn't paying them enough money to live without welfare? In Rome you had slaves who were exploited by their owners, in Medieval Europe you had serfs who were exploited by their lords, and now we have wage slaves who are exploited by their employers. Same hierarchy, different masters. Some wealthy turd at the top, and whole lot of hungry people at the bottom.
@emeraldstardust10
@emeraldstardust10 11 ай бұрын
Y'all totally missed the point of his song and it's painfully obvious. He literally is blaming those who are in the government getting rich off our taxes and then keeping people on welfare who need that little bit of help. He literally blames the government throughout the whole song.
@sethstatonwatkins
@sethstatonwatkins 10 ай бұрын
Politician salaries are 0.003% of the budget...they aren't getting rich off our taxes, they are getting rich off donations from corporations that pay them to prevent legislation that would raise wages. Your taxes go to pay private military contractors, private healthcare providers, and and a small portion to public welfare programs because we refuse to cut the military budget, de-commodify healthcare, and force corporations to pay people living wages and provide benefits. In any case, if you get rid of the corporate donors, the government would be much less corrupt.
@dotto4807
@dotto4807 11 ай бұрын
As always, Seth with the proletariat wins. Keep em coming!
@redheadofepic
@redheadofepic 11 ай бұрын
Down with Coporate Kings!🔥 Beautiful song! A big fan as always!
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