The sequel trilogy fights fit perfectly in unison with the prequel fights. Director wanted the fight to be more realistic as real sword fights don't last as long as ep. III was. Also Rey wasn't a dueling God like obi-wan or ani who spent their entire lives training instead of Reys short training Montage. Just wouldn't make any sense for Rey to be a better fighter untrained than any of the prequel jedi

@@jamesfaust7434 no one’s saying she should’ve been better but the duels were terrible kylo ren was trained in duelling and he was just as bad

@@almightykingpin6322 that's what I'm saying. The fights were made intentionally "worse" because of above stated reasons. You'll also note that kylo was an awesome fighter against the red guard as well as the knights of Ren. They couldn't showcase that level of ability against Rey or she woulda lost immediately and that would be movie over.

Have you seen Luke vs vader in Ep5? It isn't meant to be a fair fight. It is one man toying with the other.

@@jamesfaust7434 I can totally agree with what ur saying but I just think if they woulda introduced rey in the first movie of hers as a girl who had it hard in life and carried like a bat or baton or something that can resemble a lightsaber she could have shown more instinctive fight moves against kylo and the overall fight scenes coulda more aligned with Kylo being trained and being better but Rey holding her own as fighting for the entirety of the rebellion. Not disagreeing with u just kinda not too impressed with the directors ability to expand the box in which they thought from, hv a good one

Didn’t kylo ren train since he was a small child?

@@theexplodingDarkrai his Jedi training maybe but his Sith training only started after he left Luke’s Jedi order

@@rishimallepally4971 ye, that’s what I meant lol

@@theexplodingDarkrai I think he was a little older when he turned but I could be wrong. Still he’s been training for years and Rey hadn’t even heard of a lightsaber like a month ago.

@@rishimallepally4971 exactly

Hold on how the hell does this not have more traction

Exactly. "This dagger has done some terrible things." Yeah just like the saber you wield.

Well, the youngling fighting a bunch of clones was clearly better than rey.

Youngling slayer 9000! 😆

Bro, stop the insulting. This is undeserved. The younglings did nothing wrong to be compared to this bitch

True but it actually had to hit you in a vital area, not just cut

Stabbed to death by a lightsaber? That can only happen if you are male! ;-)

Stabbed to death by a lightsaber? That can only happen if you are male! ;-)

the only person who actually dies from a lightsaber is qui gon literally every other force user stabbed by a saber survives 💀

​@@gbear0385uhhmmm wtf happened to two of the master's along windu when they tried to capture the chancellor????

my favourite is Hayden Christensen's duels...He's a natural, and really satisfying to watch.

Agreed

it hits even harder when u get into the actual lore about lightsaber fights, and how strong each character in prequels was..its insane

​@Chloe-fy6to oh dude, yes but obi wan vs maul right at the end when his anger starts to take over! *chefs kiss

@@Chloe-fy6to he’s not a natural, he trained his ass off. He spent countless hours practicing and that is why he is the goat

That was some shit to think about

She did try to hit him he just blocked it in time

@@tru3_xev154 with what? His other hand?

🤣🤣🤣

You just ensured that i will never watch any of new star wars,as a OG fan i cannot witness such blasphemy

Explain ashoka being in the same boat as rey and kylo.

@@NTTofMistery ummm how bout the fact that Ahsoka was actually in the Jedi Order? She trained in the temple, was Anakins apprentice, fought with Obi Wan, and countless other Jedi. She’s nowhere close to being in the same boat as Kylo or Rey. Honest question: did you see the Clone Wars series?

@@TheBriguy90 I think he means Ashoka show Ashoka

@@TheBriguy90 i meant specifically live action 😅. My bad for not clarifying.

However..... No one taught Rey that a Jedi can do mind control, but did.

Facts 💯

Ikr, the form

I'm very disappointed he didn't become a jedi instead of Rey

finn was the only good character in the sequels change my mind

@@lightsabercollector3096 he was force sensitive but didn't tell anyone I am literally about to cry 192 likes

@@lightsabercollector3096 poe was great

She said this in front of the tomb of Tulak Hord, the lord of hate, the greatest sith of all time

So true

@@abyssano78 We can't really confirm that. He kinda just has hearsay and rumors for his power and might. He could have been only Darth Maul level for all we know. And we never will because Legends is dead as a doornail unfortunately.

@@austinkersey2445 personnaly i think that a guy that's called the lord of hate and put an enormous monster guy in stasis is pretty powerful, plus, he is class, and have an armor, so he is obviously powerful

Meh, Vitiate and Revan are objectively stronger Sith.

And the first two Jedi masters were towering people

u actually have no idea how powerfull of a sith he was..it was presented this way simply becouse of his sheer superiority in speed and skill that he owned those 2 jedi...this scene should have been done in slowmo for the jedi tbh...mace windoo could hold against him OLNY becouse of his unique fighting style..i highly recommend goin deeper into lightsaber fighting styles, its insane

He did it on purpose. He showed that even not the best duel can beat the latest duel

You don't have to say in your opinion when you speak the truth

@@zidanarfanazizy2433 what

I agree

@@Blrrb he is saying even the average bland fight or better then any newer duel.

He was legendary. May he Rest In Peace.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Christopher Lee was replaced with a double for all his lightsaber duels with an early deep fake face replacement check thd bonus features if you don't beleave me

Sure, you can’t even spell “believe” correctly. And where is the source for your statement?

@@Ep4368 ohh a spelling mistake don't piss your pants! And I told you my source the dvd blu ray extras. Lol you pick up on a tiny spelling mistake but miss the answer to your question. There's no disputing his sword fighting prowess but by the time atoc came along age had the better of him. He did close ups but the more intricate moves was a double. This isn't new information most star wars fans know this.

@@Ep4368 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9F9hcuDudm6gYU.html your welcome !

That's just the built-in excuse created in the Disney fan-fic lore to excuse bad choreography in the films. Sorry, doesn't fly with me.

@@Dagger_323 that’s also true 😂

@@Dagger_323 But think about this, Disney didn’t have the license in the 70s and 80s.

@@Phillisophical what does Disney not having the license in the '70s and '80s have to do with their horrible lore that they've concocted now that they've taken over the franchise?

Nah bruh. Rey's and Kylo's lightsaber fights just straight up suck. Nothing compared to the previous ones.

You, my good sir, deserve more likes

"crazy ass kendo" i'm weak lol

Nah bro, a drunk homeless guy with a machete has better form than the fights in the sequels

And the shows? Ashoka has dope duels

The original trilogy was more just Vader having his own fighting style and Luke not really having proper form yet even at the final fight but he used the dark side to give himself more strength. The prequels were the most civilized time of lightsaber combat and it makes sense that it’s easy for them to wield it and spin it around. Then the sequels have someone who has barely trained a year who is already more powerful then rotj Luke and she can stand up to the literal grandson of anakin Skywalker who has been trained by snoke and Luke for years.

If Rey joined Kylo, this is how their awesome training would have gone: Kylo: ~ throws lightsaber-resistant baseball ~ Rey: swings for home-run. Kylo: yes, that is the way.

Great character, great game.

This

Who was traya

@@daggercatz7297 she's the character that essentially functions as your character's master at start of Knights of the Old Republic 2, she's called Kreia at the beginning of the game though.

Geriatric Wars ✨ xD

Those old men ... that fight looked tacky, but at least you knew why they were fighting and the result of their fight changed the course of the next two films. Obi-Wan was the last surviving Jedi we knew about, the last chance for Luke to learn the ways of the force. At the time, it's pretty damn suspenceful storytelling. Fast forward to the Disney sabers, half the extras are fighting the air, zero training Ray is on par with a trained and experienced combatant. Old heroes and new villains are killed for no reason, old villains are resurrected for no reason. Lightsabers are given crossguards for no reason, i mean what the hell. The old men fighting still worked because it was built up by the story. Would have been cool with more choreography, but I don't think I'm crazy defending it over the sequels ... but that's just me so whatever

@@MinecraftMartin Most importantly, they were dealing with technical limitation at the time. They were pioneering the tech themselves and weren’t able to go full force. You can see how much more intense the fights are in 5 and 6 due to advancements in their saber tech

Honestly.

100%

also the most misleading game trailers of all time lmfao

They should give the trailer designers a budget for a full movie

Agreed. But you can do so much more with animation and push the boundaries.

Fr tho

@@Crownzz.v.r if the guy who belived palpatine says that we all know rey is stupid af (even if you wouldn't hace said it we all would know it)

You say that like palpatines fight made sense 💀

Strike me down then your training shall be complete

@@baconbandit4694 nothing made sense

And yet it was still a much better fight than Rey's and Kylo's. 😮

they were weakened by palpatine's force scream

like i said earleir..sidious was much more powerfull in both skill and force than those jedi..watch some lore on lightsaber fighting, its really insane how powerfull some sith were

They had much more complex choreography for Sidius killing the Jedi, but then at the last minute George decided that he wanted Ian to actually do the moves himself instead of using a stunt double. Yet he still threw in a couple of CGI Sidius flips and jumps when he was fighting Mace Windu, so I really wish he had used the stunt double for at least a few shots of him killing the first few Jedi.

@@HarmonicWave yeah seriously why not use the stunt double for the crazy moves, ian wasn’t even facing the camera most of the time anyway😂😂

There's a KZfaq video where someone edited the Obi wan Vader fight in A New Hope with new fx and it's sick Here it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtVihrCfzJrZYZ8.html

No it wouldn't... Lucas already did it and ruined those movies and people crucified him for it.

@@WhyAyala wait fr?

@@spynx3167 send link homie?

@@BackBeater its scene 38 remastered

Heh

Thank you for all the likes

Fucked up star wars

I don’t even like the new characters like the inquisitors but damn that quote is right

Werene't we complaining about the dialogue in Episode 2?

@@holy8782 I never did. I always loved that film

Can't wait for the Remake on PS5

​@FatalCorleone07 there's gonna be a remake?

@@suicidalbunny1608 yes sir. KOTOR, and remarkably, I think PlayStation is spearheading it. Very, very early stages rn tho

@@FatalCorleone07 wish it was for xbox sense the original was only for xbox so it makes sense but it’s whatever i’ll hopefully have a ps5 by then anyway

@@dorksaber4451 I did find it weird that the franchise switched console brands but hey..even with the Xbox Series X SUPPOSEDLY the most powerful system out, on paper, games still run much better on the PS5, so

Chills every time I watch them

I still go back to them from time to time. Heck. Imagine if they included the saber leap in this clip!

I literally just damn near wrote the same comment. Gives me chills watching it too. Amazing

Bro the way the master Jedi saves her by launching his lightsaber at the sith was crazy fire 🔥

were? shit they're still making them. a new one just came out

Probaly to show that even "bad" fights from the prequels are better than the sequals

Kinda cringe to me.

@@cerebrophage7709 what an amazing argument🤡

The Jedi had to not only be focusing on his fight with a Sith Lord and not die but also focused on the fight his apprentice was also involved in. And did so to such a degree that he was able to throw his lightsaber in a split second just before his apprentice could be killed, while not leaving himself compromised and vulnerable to his opponent for too long. That is insane when you really think about it.

@@jasonalcatraz5817 is it possible to learn this power?

@@hobomike6935 Only through devoted training.

The book says he does some sort of Sith power scream when he does that move. It made the weird-ass twirl he did even funnier since it reminds me of the Power Shriek off of Adventure Time.

@Ahmad Cole he is freakishly scary in the Darth Plagius book. If you haven't read it check it out. I am not into reading Star Wars novels, but that one was entertaining.

Naw it’s the Jedi masters getting killed in second with basic moves 🤦🏾‍♂️

That man is always extra.

REEEEEEE 😂

nah fireworks to a sparkler💀

The first duel was the best. Kylo wanted revenge for the Resistance blowing up Star Killer Base, he absolutely wrecked Finn in like 48 seconds (Would have been faster had he not been hit with that bow caster bolt), and you could tell that he was a better fighter than Rey until she let the Force guide her.

Foreplay for them

Was there a plot in first place?

@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 No and that’s exactly what you get when identity politics is prioritized over storytelling.

Reason was she goodue and he baddie

Years of academy training? I don’t think so, he doesn’t even understand basic Shii-Cho let alone any other forms…

Is that a toy story reference?

I AM MRS NEZBIT!

@@sindrimyr2423 I think it’s a toy story reference bud

@@sindrimyr2423 it’s a Toy Story reference you foolish child

Bruh Kylo Ren was extremely injured and Rey was shown to be decent with a Mele weapon so it does make sense

@@Jackp499 It doesn’t

@@Jackp499 Yes, but that was in Force Awekeens.

@@Jackp499 melee weapon, lightsaber, dude that’s a wide difference. She was good with a metal object, rather than a lightsaber. A lightsaber takes training and effort to master in the movies. You can’t just pick it up and automatically know how to use it because you used a damn metal pipe. Like tf

@@rylennoah7744 I can see where you come from there but it does give her a bit of training and Kylo is extremely injured during that fight

That's not KotOR. Thats the Old Republic MMO. One of my favorite games atm.

@@sparklymop swtor is the game but kotor is the first game of the franchise so some just call any game or books from the old republic after kotor. it is what it is.

@@umbradens6129 I've never played Kotor, tbh. I'm sure I'd like it, just have never gotten around to it.

I've literally never heard anyone call tor "kotor" unless they were tongue in cheek calling it kotor 3, and I've been playing it since the beta...

Oopsies

You still don't fight like that even with heavy weapons lol

@@brianp6859 Well no, of course not, you only fight like that if you find yourself drunk in the jungle and you're trying to hit a monkey with a large branch

They only weigh next to nothing if you are a force wielder or have a connection to the blade

Their suppose to be light but the hilt has weight.

@@shiloallard186 Absolutely, it's a stout chunk of metal in your hand with barely any leverage, which I feel is consistent with the prequels, especially the duel on Mustafar, where they had a bunch of incredibily quick moves by simply twisting their wrists, whereas actual swings like when Anakin fought Count Dooku were a bit slower. Always keeping in mind, however, that the actors in those scenes actually had physical blade-like protrusions of some sort of polymer from their hilts, while the fully animated fights in the games had "proper" lightsabers with the blade weighing nothing. And despite being a huge fan of Star Wars, the physics nerd in me always thinks of the blade as being made of plasma rather than light, even though you can't "focus" plasma using any crystal, Kyber or otherwise.

Dooku was a beast always one of my favorite lightsaber duelists

@@SRTyler392 Dooku is so underrated. One of my favorite Sith Lords.

@@jeskerjames3260 He is definitely not underrated, you just don't know how much we all love the Count.

Did you watch obi wan?? Vader would destroy him...oh wait

This just shows that the academy was needed because one master teaching every Force sensitive kid can have a diminishing and limiting effect on their learning. Many masters open the imagination, trains the varied talents, and helps the learners Much More than a single master -- even of Luke Skywalker's stature. Good thing for The Sequel Force users that none of The OG and Prequel Force wielders were around to show what they would've done to them. haha

Then proceeds to merc two powerful Jedi with a Force Scream and a couple swings. Mace must've been at least a little... Shocked 😏

The second he did the 360 dive is when I knew they we’re screwed

I like how you called him "the senate"

@@tedbed1389well he IS the *senate*

@@tedbed1389wow that joke didn't just register with me until just now 😂

Yesss in the throne room fight 😂 oh god I snicker every time I remember that

The Rey side of the Force is a plotway to many abilities most consider to be an asspull.

yea that should def be in here

@@SomeRandomYTer Is it possible to learn this power?

You dont remember shit, u watched a video that pointed it out

Bruh (´⊙ω⊙`)

Bruh😂💀

Brutal

the damn younglings 😆

I was gonna like this but you're at 666 hahaha

Then you remember that the combat in the game is NOTHING like the trailers. I still love the game, though. F2P garbage aside.

@@MisterSchitt lol it’s so much of a downgrade I just hope they make a newer version of if with better models and combat and explore more legends since that’s what it is now 😒

What makes the sequel trilogy worse is that the cinematics in swotor, at least in this scene, aren't even outside the realm of possibility. Actors in the movies are completely capable of fighting like this and yet whoever is doing the choreography is giving us children swinging a stick

If you like story games it's one of the best imo. Top 5 favorite story games ever

@@xTHExLONExWOLFx oh and what I liked about swotor is that they have a very iconic character voice actor Marcuas from gears of wars the cowboy looking guy they had captured man I’m a huge gears of war fan but when I heard the mc of gears in a Star Wars swotor cinematic film I was deff hype ass soon as he said get to the choppers know Omg Im sounding like a whole fan boy cause it fits his characters voice always fighting against the Lucuts(in war)went of topic their

🦇

Man

Inflatable bat🤡

😭😭😭😭😭

Wiffle bat in the first Force Unleashed.

I think it has to do with Rey being a Palpatine defendant and Kylo being a Skywalker

@@cloudthefourth Makes no sense if you remember that Anakin SLAUGHTERED children but you do you

@@DarthSpock9940 plus Anakin is reckless but yeah they do them

I honestly think it woulda been better if Rey was the dark sider & Kylo the Jedi. Cuz that double bladed red saber that flipped open was dope asf, huge missed opportunity.

Count dooku - an surprise to be sure but an welcome one

Interesting! Never thought of it like this before. Good call.

That's an excellent point. Gives meaning to the relatively tame fighting styles of the later movies.

This is the way I always saw it. Despite the order in which the movies were released, you have to see it as a timeline. Lucas even described it this way as in the prequels, the Jedi were in their prime. By the time the original trilogy comes around, Obi-Wan is an old man (and has neglected his training as now seen in the Obi-Wan series), Vader is mostly machine and wouldn't have the movement he used to, and Luke is training without the facilities the Jedi used to have access to, so his form wouldn't be as refined. My only beef is with the new trilogy. Rey basically learns way too much by herself, although I knew from the Force Awakens that she would be related to Palpatine. Watch her fight with Kylo Ren in relation to Palpatines fight with Windu. She uses the same lunge multiple times. Their styles are very similar.

It's a dying art

@@ericolsen5592 Exactly. While information IS on the decline in the Star Wars universe, this is just the typical case of Disney not trying hard enough to make good product. Skilled or not, the recent fights were boring.

Did you watch obi wan??? Has some amazing scenes

The thing is Kylo's form had lots of potential to be entertaining, it wasn't because he kept getting shafted to make Rey look good.

The fight scenes were like medieval claymore fights. I imagine lightsaber power comes from the wrists, forearms and legs but theyre swinging w their shoulders and it looks awful. Choreography sucks in the new trilogy

@@dylanbright6184 a lightsaber's power comes from the fact its 90000 degrees. All of these wild flashy swings are just silly. Watch the corridor digital short. Imo episode 4 has the most logical lightsaber fights, not the most exciting to watch, but the most realistic.

@@tristendunn1808 agreed Kylo shoulda been the star

Yes, because they're CGI

@@yasininn76but they were still choreographed

@@housetraitor4806 yeah, and they were still enhanced with CGI. Have you seen the remake of the duel in A New hope? That's 90% CGI and look at how better it looks.

@@yasininn76 Like we didn't see 10 years of marvel CGI making people look super acrobatic, come on bro we both know they can make it work seamlessly

​@@yasininn76that's not how cgi works little bro

no, it was the biggest piece of dogshit.... kylo trained for over 10 years vs finn (first time holding a lightsaber)

And yet the Prequels get shit.....fucking hate it here

No different than when they do some unnecessary dumbass spin that would realistically get them stabbed or sliced from behind but doesn't because plot armor in the prequels lmao

Or in this exact scene they chose to use where they didn't stab Palpatine when they had the chance. If we're gonna bitch about Star Wars let's not cherry pick

@@invaderhemp1138 you dont know shit about SW so your opinions means fuck all

@@invaderhemp1138 they were freezed bcs of his force scream 🦧

Yup, Ray Park. Not just a swordsman, a world-class martial-artist that's pretty much an expert in any fist or weapon.

yeah dude is a legend and it's really cool when even the great Christopher Lee is learning from the best and gaining a skillset like that from a scifi movie.@@mr.voidout4739

Christopher Lee was also a trained swordsman

I think Hayden was the most skilled, even then Ray. I would love to see them duel in a movie!!

@@rathenslog8490 The guy who taught Lee said he wasn't very good though.

I don’t get all the hate for Rey to begin with. She was unnecessary sure, but she isn’t really a bad character, just not the one anyone wanted. Kylo is the worst character in all of Star Wars. His emo conniption fits, his worship of his redeemed grandfather’s genocidal warlord period, his retarded saber crossguard that wouldn’t work as a crossguard cause it would just cut the damn emitters off. His entire story is just stupid from start to finish. I also bet anything if they had chosen to make Rey Obi’s kid (one of the original contenders since they didn’t decide until the last movie) instead no one would have cared.

@@amnesia5490 In normalfight she would died by Kylo hand in few moment of fight but they made this BS

@@trnovsky33 you mean just like how Anakin shouldn't have been able to pilot a fighter plane in The phantom menace? Or how Anakin was able to take on Dooku- The Guy who trained Qui Gon who trained Obi Wan who Trained Anakin? That's at least 2 layers of Imperfect training and Anakin was still able to hold his own against him when he realistically shouldn't have even lasted 10 seconds 🤦‍♂️

@@ImPyroChad with first statement i disegree but with second i agree

@@ImPyroChad or Luke went from dude getting his hand cut off to slaughtering Jaba’s crew like ants with seemingly no training resources at all. Or did Obi-Wan leave 12 training holograms for Luke like anakin did for Ahsoka and it’s just never been shown? Yeah, he trained with Yoda to learn basic force application, but I don’t recall any lightsaber training at all. Or really anything other than jumping and lifting stuff. But yes anakin was the best example. Somehow an uneducated slave learned enough electrical and mechanical engineering to build a functional c3-po, his own custom pod racer which he somehow built to race standards in a junkyard and could magically pilot better than the pros from the very first time he started the engine. It was like some 8 year old building his own F1 call and then first time driving and he’s lapping Lewis Hamilton. At least with the fighter he had r2-d2 with him who probably could do a good bit of helping. Then Obi-Wan somehow solo kills the dude who out-dueled his master in a seemingly fair 1:1 fight cause he got angry. Or how somehow the Jedi can sense force aware children with weak power to raise as padawan, but they can be around their favorite senator for decades and never once sense a thing. Heck, they couldn’t even sense dooku turned. Meanwhile Obi-wan and Vader could sense each other by simply stepping on the same planet (Death Star). Star Wars has ALWAYS leaned Fantasy Sci-Fi. Not to mention Kylo shouldn’t have had anyone to practice lightsaber dueling with for like a decade. Star Wars training has never made sense and generally all the characters just get better at everything they try/wanna do over time. People need to deal with it. I was also not talking about either of their fighting skills but their characters. Their motivation, their thinking, their goals, etc. With Vader who committed all sorts of mass genocide and other atrocities for decades, and Luke is like “I can feel the good in you, let go of your hate” meanwhile Kylo who seemingly grew up in a peaceful life with loving parents (compared to anakin a slave who’s mom was murdered by tusken raiders because he didn’t go pick her up a few years sooner, lost his wife, was told to betray the one guy he kinda trusted by the people who preach honesty and made him a child soldier… at least he had some reason) but he apparently already was leaning to the dark side just the same to the point Luke feared it and somehow Luke is now like “I can feel the anger in you… die”. And suddenly Kylo slaughters everyone, runs, tracks down some random new Sith master seemingly out of no where, all because his uncle was scared of him. He worshipped his grandpa but seems to have totally missed the whole reason anakin turned to palpatine was for the power to save his loved ones, meanwhile Kylo killed his dad in cold blood. Then betrayed his Sith master to take his spot. Then suddenly “oh I’m good again”. I totally get people thinking Kylo is cool with the helmet and neat sounding saber with the stupid cross guard, but well written he is not. And it’s much much worse than Rey. At least Rey had already been rocking a quarter staff and fending for herself for her whole life. You act like she would have never experienced a fight in her life before. Thus, Kylo Ren is a crappy character, Rey is just not a character anyone wanted. After the TFA there was lots of excitement and debate on who she was and if she was like another force baby like anakin or Obi-Wan or Qui-Gons family cause of the accent or secretly Luke’s kid, and they were excited to find out, it wasn’t until TLJ when Rian came and just started character assassinations where the hate really started. People got mad about what they did to Luke and blamed it on Rey for seemingly no reason at all other than them sharing the screen and him dying to help her (conveniently forgetting he WAS trying to help Kylo and Leia too). The difference is huge.

those swotor vids just hit different they are all fantastic from these first run to the practically short film quality dlc ones

Bringing down the star destroyer is an excellent spectacle to watch, less so to play..

Just imagine Rey going up against an Old Republic Sith.

What show/ movie is that third clip in? Please I need to watch it

@@tylerphillipss6436 it's from one of the cgi cinematics for the mmorpg 'Star Wars: The Old Republic'. You can find all of them on KZfaq.

Screw attack!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Darth Sidious

What about game trailers?

@@cckiller0053 prequels Category

Sequels: hit till it dies

@@cckiller0053 the game trailers and animated series like the clone wars had some really good saber fights. They really butchered the sequels

The OT was limited by the props strength and cgi capabilities. They literally couldn’t do much more than that which is why Lucas made the fights more energetic in the prequels cause that’s what he really wanted

Luke had an archive of jedi knowledge. And had been trained by 2 of the greatest practitioners of lightsaber combat among the jedi. There were very few jedi better than yoda at dueling I believe Windu was a better duelist in the canon. Either way kylo had definitely recieved some lightsaber training from luke as padawans start training at a young age.

I know this is legends now but Luke re-learns all old forms of LS styles through old Jedi holocrons & through meditation with the Force itself.

These people will do anything to hate. Dooku was a master duelist, Anakin the chosen one, Sideous and 4 Jedi grand masters (who’s fight was horribly choreographed), and an animation of the Jedi battlemaster who’s literally the best saber user in the Jedi order at that time. These people are so stupid they can’t see that kylo and Rey shouldn’t be as good as any of these other people, and if they were they would just cry the same shit they already did about Rey learning things for no reason, when Luke did the same shit in episode 4. They’re all just idiots.

@@es_three232 yeah but disney had to retcon that annoyingly

@@renren225 this is true. however, the only lightsaber training obi-wan gives him is the little bit we see with the remote on the falcon. And considering that Yoda tells him that weapons aren't that important, I doubt he taught him anything

It's not very different than Yoda doing those goofy hops, while fighting Tyrannus.

Apparently Sidious’ actor, Ian McDiarmid, got no prep time, and unfortunately it shows. I’m guessing Windu brought the best duelists he could find at short notice to back him up, but instead they went down with almost no resistance. I think only one of then, besides Windu, did more than parry Sidious’ attack for like a second.

The original plan was to have a much longer fight between Sidious and the Jedi, you can find videos of the stunt actors practicing it. The Jedi put up a lot more of a fight, but go down one after the other. However, the film was already rather long and included a bunch of fights (Dooku, Grievous, Sidious twice, and of course Anakin vs Obi-Wan), so they decided to cut it.

I'm pretty sure in cannon that was supposed to happen really fast, as in they could only really see his saber, but I don't think the actor was up for it (along with the run time issues)

Yeah, in my head I'll try to pretend that Sidous was exerting his force powers or something on the other Jedi, but it doesn't translate well onscreen in my opinion. @@doortofreedom5832

*Terrible. But great.*

@@Tempusverum Terrible but sh!t.

@@srptmal3028 I take it you’re not a fan of killing younglings

You act like as if she was trained properly

A lightsaber isnt a sword Its more of a bat

These are not the sequels we are looking for. :look there over there(points towards Dave foloni(I can't spell his name right no need to tell))

Ok both of these comments are so underrated

What sequels?

Yeah both of these comments are amazing ❤️

Sequels to me are a what if situation. Like what if Luke just said fuck the galaxy ima stay on an island after trying to kill my sister’s son. Thanks Disney 👍 to me the Star Wars legends books are the true sequels.

By the time of the last film he’s pretty badass. His lightsaber is basically a broadsword and he fights in that style.

why not hire the same people that choreograph those amazing scenes 🤦‍♂️

@@ejandrews3065I wish nick gillard would come back

​@@ejandrews3065listen...everyone that ever watched those trailers asks themselves the same question every time they watch them...

@@coleparkinson9904 Nick did the saber fights for Ahsoka Ep 5, hopefully he did the rest of them going forward.

@@ItsFuseFX no Disney hasn’t hired nick back since he did the prequels with Lucas, which is why channels like Star Wars theory are trying to start a petition, (with gillards permission) to bring him back to the shows and movies. Tho Hayden was using some techniques in that fight he learned from nick

do you mean Luke, Vader, and Maul?

Luke got his hand chopped off Meanwhile Vader and Maul had so much hate and anger that the Dark side of the force helped keeping them alive just so that they can get their revenge and surprisingly they hate the same guy 🤣. Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a villain

*looks at a list of characters from the Legends era that survived lightsaber wounds* Yes because only Disney can make that mistake

If you are on the level of a sith lord anything is possible. Or jedi that can beat sith lords. But ordinary force users, one stab and you are done like dinner. At least by original star wars logic. Although, even Revan needed a suit for space walk, so i guess even the best had to follow some rules then.

​@@darththor3982only the dark side can allow you to survive through sheer hate alone the light side can't help you getting a lightsaber to the gut or decapitation

it had to make sense, the jedi arts were lost to time and the sequels showed it, luke was not the greatest duelest among the jedi order

Luke had 30 years to train in between the OT and ST. Not to mention there were at least a handful of Jedis who survived the Empire's reign, Jedis like Ahsoka. You'd think they would have reached out to him after he started rebuilding the Order and teach him everything they know including how lightsabers are traditonally weilded.

​@@da-vidcargill4975 That's all fine and dandy, but at least make it look good. No amount of canonical reasoning is gonna make the fights good. Kylo Ren was trained by Snoke, who somehow just happened to be controlled by sidious. So, if sidious controlled Snoke, and Snoke trained Kylo, then wouldn't it make sense for Snoke to teach Kylo how to traditionally wield a lightsaber?

​@@TheOneWhoSouls1405 Exactly, Sidious was a master of all seven forms and was a match for both Windu and Yoda. Anyone trained by him should likewise be extremely skilled in lightsaber combat. Good thing I don't consider the sequels canon.

Yes because his fights were over choreographed. The fight in the Phantom Menace wasn't bad but after that it they all went horribly down hill. Sequels weren't that good either but at least didn't look like a dance routine. Empire and Return were by far the best.

yeah i have no idea what these goerge lucas meat riders are talking about, that is one of the most ass scenes in all of star wars, almost every fight scene in the latest trilogy is better

In the actual novelization, Palpatine is described as moving so fast that only Windu could track his movements. The other two that died were killed because they lacked the same quality. It was hard to depict Force Speed in movies back then.

I know it's not depicted in the movie to well, but the novelization explains it. His scream in the scene was a force ability that paralyzed the jedi for a little bit, giving him enough time to strike. Now I do agree the depiction could have been better.

@@jinta87didnt he also use like force yell that struck true fear into them?

Big P killing three jedi in the space of a few seconds after which WIndu manages to initially defeat him. The use of the force was not visualized very well, in fact very badly.

the older ones were more lore accurate, and the fights that look like dance peformences are different fighting styles that are lore accurate

@@darthrevan2959 Ah okay, thanks for reply

His form is really good. I just wish the acting wasn't so monotone and dull in the prequels

I don’t know I think Ray Park could give him a run for his money

Objectively, Liam Neeson actually was. He had prior training in swordplay and became a legitimate danger to everyone else on set

​@ispilloil he's Darth Vader. Darth is monotone and a dry vocal sound. That's the point. He became like a wooden soldier over time scorned by the life he loved.

​@@cheesedoodle7ge gas a Fandom because he passed sadly. There's absolutely NOTHING amazing about Baylan.

Then how come someone like Mando is better at fighting than a literal former jedi Kylo? Ya saying Kylo had no training under luke or snoke? less than Mando who is a gunslinger first and foremost? Or Boba Fett with his fancy Tusken stick. Yikes. Maybe lightsaber forms were forgotten but regular fighting i doubt. There are vibroblades still in existence that mercenaries and outlaws practice fighting with, and im sure theres a dueling scene somewhere in the galaxy.

@@Otakahunt Well Luke wasn't known as a swordsman, and so was Snoke. Luke only ever learned the basics of lightsaber fighting from Yoda and Obi Wan. He was left to his own devices after Yoda died. Compare the techniques from the prequels and the original and you will see what i mean.

Ridley was told she didn't need to train before filming

Us fans would say otherwise

@@crankfastle8138 Meanwhile the actors for the Prequels trained alot.

More effort went into making sure the new trilogy was woke, pc, and inclusive rather than having a decent story, decent cinematography, or decent anything. Its straight up a "We are woke" monument with a starwars hat.

It's pretty wack in kenobi too