Imagine a world where Johanna Long didn't get tossed aside in favor of Danica. We'd be in a much better place.

When your teammates are 4th, 5th, and 9th in points compared to yourself in 18th driving in top equipment, how can Xfinity teams look at you and say you deserve to move up? Not to mention she's behind rookies like Jake Garcia, Nicholas Sanchez, Rajah Caruth, and Corey Heim in points Hailie Deegan has had many opportunities and she is squandering them

As much as I like Deegan, this is a make-or-break year for her. She has to start winning or at least be in the top-5. The excuses are beginning to run out.

you’re braver than most making this video

She has a top ride for 2 or more years and she proves she's bang average I'd say this is her last chance to prove herself. Love your content BFM

Deegan is a brand, not a driver.

Your best example of someone like her who has struggled is Harrison Burton who had 18 top 10s in 40 races, Deegan has 4 top 10s in 59 races. I thin that sums it up pretty well.

She's been given every opportunity possible and has done absolutely nothing with it

Deegan's best asset has been, and always will be, marketability. She will have as many opportunities as she needs to establish herself in Nascar, and not everyone needs to be a Cup Championship driver. I think her talents could settle out in Xfinity and be somewhat successful, but she does still have a long way to go. Calling her a bust is just too soon.

I think she's brought a lot of awareness to just how bad the truck series is for developmental drivers. Her lone Xfinity start gives me pause before writing her off. But you'd also like to see more speed out of her.

who would do better in this 13? joe graf jr or her? speaking of that, a few video ideas: -nascar busts: roush racing driver x contestants -the joe graf jr experience -is blaine perkins that bad? -how good is kyle weatherman? -the kris wright experience -the cj mclaughlin experience -the riley herbst resurgence -how good was paul menard?

Darian over here going scorched earth this week 🔥🔥🔥

It's a shame how the West alumni have not fared well in the national divisions except Gragson (before moving to Cup) and to some minor extent Gilliland. Derek Thorn is about the best out of the K&N and ARCA West days and he's not even running NASCAR.

The equipment she has at her disposal and the people she has around her at ThorSport she should certainly be performing better. The one thing I have noticed with Hailie is when Ford have sent her to run the GT4 Mustang in the Michelin Pilot Challenge at Daytona the last 2 years she has actually performed pretty well there. It could be in Ford's interest to consider moving her over towards that IMSA side of things on more of a full time basis.

Most people don’t have the balls to say that

Certain drivers throughout the history of the sport do better in a certain series vs the others. An example would be Jimmie Johnson ran like sh*t in the Busch Series but had a Hof cup career. Ron Hornaday Jr had a below average cup career, had an okay Busch career winning 4 times but won the truck series championship 4 times.

I’m curious on how she would do in Xfinity. Just because someone was mediocre and bad and trucks, doesn’t mean they would be mediocre and bad in Xfinity

I'm sick of TV saying a top 20 run is a great run for her. They don't talk like that for anybody else in top equipment.

Her top priority is social media attention. She won't improve.

I’m gonna wait until her time in the Xfinity series begins. IMO trucks is a hit or miss series for great talents in the higher two series.

Would love to see Matt DiBenedetto drive in her truck. He is out there getting top tens in a Rackley-Willie Allen truck.

I stand by the idea that she should give at least one season in the Xfinity series a try. She’s on the hot seat right now as a nascar driver. I won’t deny that. However, I only declare someone a nascar bust if they’ve tried everything there is to try in the sport, from trucks to cup, and they come up short in all of it. She has struggled in trucks, but if you look at the truck series over the past few years, only three or four good drivers have come from that series to have stable careers like Smith, Hocevar, Rhodes, and Creed. Not to mention, nowadays, with drivers having no knowledge of the terms “respect” and “sportsmanship”, the drivers who aren’t the five or six that are actually competitive like Smith, Hocevar, Rhodes, Crafton or Caruth treat the race like it’s a local fairgrounds demolition derby. It’s like they don’t care what happens to others around them at all. That’s not a good environment to produce talented, knowledgeable drivers out of. Hornaday and Skinner said very much the same thing recently. I know that’s a very cynical way to look at things, but still… something has to be done to improve driver attitude in the trucks, maybe even in all of NASCAR, because eventually, this kind of disrespect will get someone hurt. Sum it up, I say get Deegan out of trucks, and into Xfinity equipment, and see how that goes for at least one season. If all else fails, at least she has her off road racing roots to return to. She won a championship there if I’m not mistaken. I’m not saying that she should just be given a ride just like that, but at the very least, she deserves one last chance to prove herself, before it’s time to cut losses and move on. And lastly, NASCAR needs to get these young, overeager drivers in line, so the honor and dignity of our sport can be saved.

I wanted to really support her and loosely followed her career. I would say that this could be the year that she gets cast aside for a more experienced driver. I think her social media takes priority for her rather than being at the track practicing whenever she can or even getting some sim racing time to gain experience. And its almost never her fault for any accident yet she gets out and gives them an ear full.

She is a victim of this phenomenon of racers getting shoved to higher divisions too quickly. She got a THIRD place finish in the ARCA Menards Series in her ONLY year there. If she stayed there she could have improved (and just maybe have won a championship there). But no, she immediately got sent to trucks and now looked what happened. Also she did get a top 15 in the NXS at Las Vegas, which is great but that is just ONE race. If she does get more part time Xfinity starts, I really hope she does well.

Deegan might be better off in cars than trucks. If not, then she can always go X Games and drive rally cars. Her dad'd extreme sports background allows her to go in many directions.

Toni has a good start in Craftmans series, hopefully she'll make it consistent though cus watching Hallie just sad, man.

It doesnt matter if she doesnt win races, she has such a social media following that she brings in the viewers. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was some back room deal teams were getting from allowing her to drive.

She was faster in the Xfinity car than the truck -- I think that's a strong statement about the truck series not being a good training ground for high horsepower drivers. NASCAR needs multiple fast women drivers, but I wish they were all better people than Deegan is.

Hailie Deegan... Welp, for me, I saw her as a hit or miss. In ARCA, I saw her as doing quite good enough. 3rd in K&N West in 2019, 3rd in ARCA, not bad. When I saw that she was heading to Truck Series, I felt like she wasn't gonna set the world on fire by running very much out in front on the regular, but now looking at 2021 and 2022. I wonder if her transfer to ThorSport was a good thing or not, and it seems it wasn't. Driving for a Championship Contender team and barely cracking a top 10 in like after the first half the season... Just underwhelming. But seeing her finishing 13th in 2022 at Las Vegas just makes me wonder. What on earth is going on with her? I mean, I'm feeling that the Danica Patrick effect is still kicking, but, idk. Hot takes or not, idk.. Hailie Deegan so far is close to NASCAR bust, unless a late-resurgeance happens

Talent is talent. Doesn’t matter if it’s Trucks or Xfinity. Deegan isn’t trending towards a bust - she is a bust.

1) she has seemingly put far more focus on being a KZfaq/Social Media influencer than she has racecar driver over the last couple of years. 2) I’m not gonna talk up a 13th place finish when there are only around 15ish cars capable of running up front any given week (the 4 JRM cars, 3 JGR cars, 2 RCR cars, 3 Kaulig cars, and 2 SHR cars. Maybe a few others like the 48, 27, and 25 depending on the race and cars like the 77, 07, and 28 if they have the larger team support due to the driver). Deegan tan 13th in the exact car that Cole Custer had won at Autoclub in earlier in the year. Sure, put her in a few more Xfinity races, but I don’t think it’ll make a difference. Hocevar has run really well in his chances in the Spire (JRM) 77. 3) we all know the only reason she has the seat she has and it has nothing to do with her talent. Her ARCA stats are anything to get excited over. She’s in the truck because she bring funding from Monster and she’s a girl which is great publicity. Why else is someone with an average finish of 17-20 winning most popular driver? It would be like Corey Lajoie or Michael McDowell winning most popular driver.

I'm absolutely doubting the point of moving to the Xfinity series if most days she can't run well in trucks or keep it one piece.

Hailie Deegan’s 2023 season: -1 top 10 -14 wrecks in 17 races -19th in points -Getting beat by 5 rookies in points -Getting outpointed by her teammates every week Masterclass.

Black Flags Matter forgot to mention this in the video..... If Hailie starts prioritizing her racing career over her KZfaq channel, then maybe she can start running up front with her teammates, and in turn give Xfinity owners reason to hire her

Good drivers know how to hustle a car. Great drivers can hustle ANY car. If you want to be considered for a cup ride, you better be able to perform in both Xfinity AND Trucks

But see what most people forget is the truck series was never a development series, it was originally for the veterans like Crafton, Sauter, Hornady and Skinner who were never great in Cup or Xfinity they made the truck series, also just want to say that some drivers just don't do good in trucks, take Harrison Burton, Noah Gragson for example, there's a reason why alot of drivers skip the truck series for development and go straight to Xfinity, the development program should be ARCA, Xfinity, Cup

I’m doing the same thing with her I’m doing with bubba. Where would they be if it weren’t for outside influence. I always compared bubba to a hot headed Chris Buescher. Serviceable, maybe gets a win a year, but more of a mid pack driver. I’d say deegan is like a Austin Dillon. You KNOW there’s talent there, because we’ve seen it, but it rarely shows. Their in top rides in their series running 15-30 on the regular. I’m willing to give her one more year to prove herself, but she’s running out of time

Darian’s been brave lately lol

I feel like just because some people do well in the Trucks series as well as other series doesn't take away from the fact that some people just aren't good in trucks, but are good elsewhere. It's a logical fallacy.

I think, Darian, that the reason for Hailie's state performance is that, while she's proven that she can drive a racer, especially in competitive equipment, she doesn't have a solid crew chief that would provide the essential ingredient of champagne chemistry in what separates good drivers from the greats. For example, if one followed Hailie Deegan as she vlogged her experience(s) competing in the Camping World SRX Series, the chemistry she had with 'Hollywood' Jeff Hammond felt reminiscent of, say, Jeff Gordon working with Ray Evernham or Jimmie Johnson working with Chad Knaus. It's why that dynamic served as the focal point in the 1990 film 'Days of Thunder,' and why the recent dynasties of Formula One are backed-up by the winning combination of driver(s) and Team Principal. If one had competitive Xfinity Series equipment, and came up with a game plan to elevate Hailie to NCS competition within three years, orchestrate a packaged deal between Deegan and Hammond in a formula for success. Similar to how Rick Hendrick signed Jeff Gordon and Ray Evernham 31 years ago. It's why Danica Patrick may be looked back upon as the Raul Boesel of NASCAR. A wonderful driver who never won a race. Danica proved she belonged in competitive equipment, yet she did not have that champagne chemistry that would have propelled her to further greatness.

I would like to see Degan do more races in the Xfinity series before going full time in it because just basing it off one race seems silly.

I really do feel bad for Deegan at this point

Did i read correctly that she is going into xFinity next year ?? Her average finish in Trucks was 21.st this year, and only 2 top 10s. There are so many amazing drivers who overal finished in the Top 10 of the year, and all of them are deserving of a xFinity ride much more than Deegan ever did after 3 years of being a bust.

She’s wasting her time in Trucks. Trucks is terrible. However, that no excuse for her to underperform since 2021. I still prefer her to learn in Xfinity since Xfinity is more skilled and better than Trucks

It all comes down to her pickin either her racing career or on/offline social life. She's gotta pick one or the other and focus all her energy on it!

4:01 I understand he was mad about it, but that is really ironic

Haley's issues is she lacks hunger. If she had spent a number of seasons learning and earning her ride and advancement down in a short track series she would be a much different driver. Had Haley spent a few seasons in a short track series where banging fenders is a matter of course and drivers need to learn the aggression that Haley doesn't have. In Haley's defense, many of the new young drivers have a similar issue that Haley has; quick progress at a young age through the the "lower" ranks and ending up struggling in the trucks and Xfinity series. Then these young, talented, but very inexperienced drivers get into a situation where now they are in a make or break situation with their career. When divers are 21 and looking at their racing career ending while in the truck series there is an issue. The on track things drivers need to understand and be willing to do should be learned at a place like Greenville Pickens or North Myrtle Beach, or Eldora, not at Daytona or Charlotte. If I was a team owner with a driver like Haley, especially Haley, I would pull her out of the full time truck ride and send her on the road to the late dirt series with some paved ovals mixed in. Tell them "win your way back to full time trucks". Haley Degan is a pretty face with allot of money behind her. She will not improve because she has no motivation to improve. She is marketed by her sponsors and as long as she is able to rep their brands, sell their products, and be a spokesperson that gives sponsors a return on investment, she will fail to impress in any series she drives in.

I feel like we could say the same about so many drivers - trying to make them happen rather than develop on their own timeline always leads to disappointment. I’m not quite ready to write her off as a brand rather than a racer but we’ll see I guess.

The reason she left Toyota is because she spun Derek Kraus trying to win at Dacono Speedway, and I witnessed the whole thing. Dacono Speedway is in Colorado, my home state.

I've always wished her well and I've been holding my breath hoping to see her do well. I'm now purple. I really don't think she has what it takes. Bad finish, wreck. Bad finish and more wrecks. The numbers don't lie. It's always something.

She should go run the cars tour for a year and see what happens.

Great video for starters. Imo, it's a little early as Eric said to say whether she's a bust at this point. She's still really early in her career. You can easily say she's underwhelmed considering the attention she's gotten but too early to say she's a bust.

She is to worried about her social media than racing.

I can see her being a real estate agent like Dylan Kwasniewski if racing doesn't work out.

A more charitable take on her 2023 is that she is up against three tough teammates: Crafton, Rhodes, and Majeski. Two of them are former champions and the third could very easily win a championship this year. Those three drivers could make many look distinctly average by comparison.

What's now ARCA West was more shallow back in 2019 than anyone who wasn't paying attention to advanced stats realized. Her 1.76 PEER in that series was ranked second, but she posted an equivalent rating in her part-time ARCA East schedule that year and ranked midpack. ARCA National was also incredibly shallow in 2020 - she was one of four drivers who ran the full schedule for a competitive organization, and posted no wins. There were warning flags that she wasn't ready, but I'm also not sure where she could have gotten ready in a better fashion. It's also worth noting that before turning to NASCAR, she tried to follow in her father's footsteps in short course trophy truck racing, specifically the now-defunct Lucas Oil Off-Road Racing Series, but stalled in the Pro Lite division - basically equivalent to the Xfinity Series within that sanction.

"Once you bust you cant come back" - Eric Estepp 2023

Lawless Alan is the last person who should be calling somebody else "talentless". 0 top 10s in 3 seasons...

Kevin Harvick was very underwhelming in trucks before moving up to Xfinity too

Finally someone says it! The guys on Door Bumper Clear seem to be in denial if you ask me. They have an excuse every time she is mentioned on the show. My question is does she bring enough money for someone to let her drive there Xfinity car? It would be interesting to see how she could do, but in every series the price goes up to be there.

It's bout time for this video to happened 👏👍

Wasn't she going to do OF or some such thing?

In my opinion, Hailie Deegan will go down as a NASCAR Truck Series Bust. However, that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have any talent. As many have said, she finished 13th in her Xfinity debut. While impressive, I am currently not sure if she will be a consistent contender for wins. She has also shown a lot of talent in SRX and in the Michelin Pilot Challenge. If things don’t go well for her in NASCAR, I think she’ll do well in other forms of motorsport. If there’s a place where she could possibly turn her season around, it will be at Mid Ohio next weekend because she ran well there last year and has been okay on road courses.

Great job on this one young man , Kudos for the quick irwindale cameo in there , Her And lawless tore up a lot of stuff at irwindale, Only time will tell , Isabella robusto She might be the next hype

4:20 tbf Lawless doesn’t get as good equipment as Carson Hocevar so I think that’s pretty inaccurate, inappropriate and ignorant to say he’s the last person who should be saying that.

I want to see Hailie Deegan win and run in the Top 5 consistently, but idk man, it's been 3 years in the Trucks and now she's driving top tier equipment, but STILL running way behind her teammates and crashing every other week. She's been qualifying better this year, but as soon as they drop the green flag, she falls back. I'd like to see her in an SHR Xfinity car, but is that opportunity fair? What about the other young Truck drivers who have performed better than her? They deserve these Xfinity rides over Hailie, if we're being honest.

I’ll get ripped for saying this, I'm sure, but it seemed like Hailee really started to tank about the time she started getting serious with Chase, as if, maybe subconsciously at least, she's afraid to show him up, or make him feel bad that his career kind of stalled out. That happens. Johanna has had opportunities, I’m sure, but right now she and her husband are raising a family while focusing primarily on his racing career.

Rajah Caruth now has more wins, than Deegan scored top 5s in 3 seasons of trucks.

All the "wait til Xfinity" people are so annoying. Winners can win in all forms of racing. Thorsport is probably the best team she will ever get. Many drivers would beg for this opportunity and not only that they gave her Luches as a crew chief who literally was a few laps away from being a back to back championship crew chief. Plus looks like the sponsor dollars are drying up as well, which means when ford has had enough her run is over. It don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's a passion issue. I would like to see her turn it around but I don't think she cares to.

I say let the girl do whatever she wants to do! As human beings we should all have support for each other in this treacherous 🌎.

I think that in all honesty, I'd have to wait until she makes a season in Xfinity. Yes, while Corey Heim, Carson Hocevar, and Zane Smith are thriving in the Truck Series, but the best example of this is Carson. While he is thriving in the Truck Series, I can't help but look at how consistent he is in Xfinity. In his debut with Spire, he ran up in the top 5 almost all day and finished a respectable 6th, and backed that up with an 8th place run at Charlotte. Although getting taken out at Nashville, he was running 5th at the time. With that, I think Xfinity will be the final straw for most NASCAR fans to label her as a bust.

I'd still love to see what she could do in xfinity, maybe she'd show flashes of brilliance in it, cause clearly the trucks aren't doing it for her, I dont even pay attention to her truck stuff anymore, it's basically just a matter of when will she crash out

As a Hailie Deegan fan, it's been very underwhelming for sure. I have lost a bit of hype for her because of her lackluster performances. I do want to see her make a move to the Xfinity Series, since her debut there was respectable. Some drivers just aren't cut out for certain series, kinda like how Jimmie Johnson was pretty bad in the Xfinity Series aside from one win. Some drivers are more suited to some cars than others. Plus did you hear Natalie Decker got another ride? Blasphemy.

The thing I find most interesting about all this is the fact of how Thorsport changed everything to accommodate her . Manufacture, crew members and pretty much the whole culture. I know this from someone who is currently employed with the team and thats what I was told. Ford came in and made her the priority there and the other drivers are pretty much an afterthought as well .

I wanted her to do well. I’ve watched the vast majority of her races and she doesn’t appear to have the aggressiveness to move her truck to the front. She seems content with not crashing instead of trying to win…….WIN! Run it like you just stole it ! Go Go Go . You know what I mean ?

Make a video about Lawless Alan next

Let’s be real, she’s also gotten more breaks than a lot more deserving drivers because of her dad.

The stats/facts don't lie. She's a dud in all motorsports racing, not just NASCAR.

Nothing about a race truck is aerodynamic at all. I think we should take that into account when evaluating these developing drivers. I think she'd do a lot better in a more slippery, streamline Xfinity car, but that's just me. I'm hard-pressed to write someone off until their performance tanks in the sedan series versus the truck series. The drag coefficient on the trucks just isn't something all the development drivers will master. She ran the old Gen 6 cars in ARCA Menards very well.

Give her a shot in a decent busch series car like last year (before anyone tells me the car she drove last year wasn’t decent, it was fully prepared by stewart haas..) let her run a few races and see how she does

How will the simps defend her now

If she’s really focus on racing and developing some knowledge of racing and race craft, she’s be successful. But she’s too busy being a social media star and KZfaqr!

Ford brokered the whole Thorsport to Ford deal so she would have a competitive seat.

Lawless Alan talking about talent 😂😂😂

A few years ago, I made note of Darian's "Real Deal" Series being a curse after the horrendous treatment Natalie Decker received during her brief time in Trucks. I ended it by saying "Ryan Vargas, Chandler Smith, & especially Hailie Deegan, you've... been... warned." Darian called me a "nutcase" as a result, but it turns out the actual nutcases were in fact the Deegan defenders, & especially those who are *simps,* which over 90% of Deegan's "fan base" is. I see that Darian has learned his lesson. Darian may have been the one to introduce the racing community to Natalie Decker, but we all knew of Hailie Deegan before she came into to NASCAR. In double the time & opportunity Deegan got compared to Decker & in equal or better equipment, Deegan hasn't been able to get a Top 5 like Decker has _(But Dragon, that was at Daytona, anyone can get a Top 5 there;_ Then take away one of Deegan's Top 10's because Talladega). Yeah she's gotten a few Top 10's, but everyone thought she'd be an absolute goat by now for some reason. Now here she is in *ThorSport equipment,* & while everyone & their grandmother insisted that Johnny Sauter is "wAsHeD", Princess Hailie is doing about the same or more often that not *worse* than Sauter *when he was being guinea pigged by ThorSport,* & in Sauter's truck! Face it. Y'all overhyped the heck out of Deegan. And now she's a certified NASCAR Bust. At least with Decker you have DGR (Now Tricon) not giving a damn, health ailments, & lack of sponsorship as to what's been holding her back & why she's been racing part-time & trying that Twitch streaming endeavor thing of hers since the end of 2020... Only one of those reasons applied to Deegan, & she's not with DGR/Tricon anymore. Honestly I really hope she's gone from NASCAR after this year. This *can't* continue for her. For Deegan's sake, she needs to go back to the off road trucks. She's actually good there & she'll be happier there. She doesn't have to worry about the simps as most of them will just go away, & she doesn't have to worry about being guinea pigged or being apart of manufacture's stupidity.

It’s like if Danica Patrick decided to drive trucks

There is a couple of things to take into consideration. When she first started in late models/K&N it was her primary focus. When she moved into ARCA the brand deals were coming her way and also she decided to also build up her own channel. When she entered trucks she started dating Chase and started doing merch and other things. To me her focus is not NASCAR. She can say it all she wants but you can see it in her videos. She cares more about her social media than she does about making it in NASCAR. I don't know if it is because of just how bad she started out in Trucks demoralizing her or if the want to do well faded and now she is stuck because of her contract with Ford. But I genuinely don't think her heart is in NASCAR anymore. Now if she did get a ride in Xfinity and just started doing well I will take it back but right now I honestly think she should have stayed in ARCA for a couple of years not immediately jumping into Trucks. I think she was too fresh in Trucks and she really didn't have the practice outside of short tracks. She needed more time with Speedways and super speedways before moving into trucks. And honestly most of what she is learning in trucks will not transfer over to xfinity and cup. She probably could have skipped trucks altogether and probably been just fine. Edit: Also just because someone has a championship crewcheif doesn't really mean anything. It is more of the relationship you have with your crew. I have seen the way he will look at her when she is explaining her car to him. Everytime it seems like someone looking at someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not saying one way or the other on what she knows. But you need a crew chief that will listen. Because in the end of the day it doesn't matter what the crew chief thinks what matters is how the driver feels. There has been a few times I could tell Hallie has asked for something in the car and based off her race vlogs it doesn't always seem like she is getting the adjustments she is asking for. You can be in the best car in the race but if it doesn't feel right you are not going to race well.

To be honest I feel like the trucks isn’t really a place to show the full potential of a driver I would love to see if Deegan could try again and Xfinity but I’m not sure if that would happen judging by the past couple seasons

I say give her a 1 year deal in Xfinity and that deal determines if she continues to race or not. She brings funding, so why wouldn't a smaller team take a chance and see if she's cut out to be a future star.

I’ve said this a lot and I’m going to keep saying it. GET HER OUT OF THE TRUCK SERIES! I think the truck series has just become absolutely terrible recently and you can make the arguments about their current big 3 of sorts. Well I’m still not quite sold on hocevar but anyway, 13th in her xfinity debut. Clearly that’s where she needs to be instead of with people who other than a few exceptions can’t drive to save their lives.

I'm going to wait and see how she does in some Xfinity starts. The racing seems cleaner and more her style. Trucks can be pretty...uneven. You get taken out by other people WAY too much in trucks. Maybe she's a bust, but I'd like to see her run several Xfinity races before passing judgement. Now I do wish she'd worry a little less about being an "influencer" and getting, um, accessorized in the off-season, and a little more about her driving. But otherwise I like her attitude.

I had high hope for Deegan when I saw how she was preforming in the lower series. I'm however disappointed in her Truck series stats. Honestly if I was a Xfinity series owner I'd be hesitant to put her in a car full time as of now. She doesn't even need to win in my opinion just be more consistent. Time will tell.

Do y’all think the bad season Hailie is having this year has anything to do with the number of her car?

Only reason she keeps getting chance after chance is she's a pretty young girl...... put an average looking guy in SAME EXACT SITUATION and they would be shit-canned after 2 seasons.

its almost like you can't just pick people to be race car drivers based on whats between their legs

I was excited to see what she could do when she first started, but I don't even look for her in the standings anymore...I know it's probably 20th or worse. If she wasn't tied to Ford so closely I could see JRM giving her a shot in a couple of races, but not a full season initially.

I hope she gets a good Xfinity ride for next year. When she does get her confidence built-up she'll improve. I think Hailie will be good for Nascar and think she's capable.

I’m really hoping she still gets a chance in xfinity.

There’s definitely some time for her to turn it around. But let’s hope she doesn’t end up like Danica. Maybe an Xfinity series ride would be better. But I think she would have to get at least a top 15 right off the bat.

I've been off the bandwagon for over a year. Also out of the 3 top series, the xfinity series is definitely the one were the car is biggest determining factor in your performance. Just look at all the randoms that just hop in for a race in top equipment and compete for the win. Or drivers that compete for championships but do nothing when they move up to cup.