I like the idea of the Multiverse buts it's very confusing

It's not the fault of the concept of the multiverse, but how it is presented in the MCU.

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To be fair they never had high stakes. Good guys never lose and when they do they lol time travel to fix it.

wdym? in mom reed tells dr strange he can’t stay there for long or else he de stabilizes reality

Excellent point. The only good thing we've gotten with the MCU Multiverse is an animated Doctor Strange episode from What If.... and that was fantastic. Everything else has mediocre as toast

@@chasehedges6775 all of the mcu shows have been great especially she hulk idk what your talking about

@@johnnycage6676 They have been hit or miss

@@chasehedges6775 lol they have been terrible 🤣

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Yeah it literally just makes everything feel like it doesnt matter anymore. Zero stakes.

@@PlanetAfterlife everything and everywhere all at once uses it perfectly tho

I really agree with this I think that they need to go back to how hawkeye was, very down to earth and street level. we need that with daredevil.

This guy necromances

@@Chaxlotl yea but that’s not a franchise. Having time travel/ timelines is different in single stories like attack on Titan, everything and everywhere all at one, or Rick and morty.

I have been saying this for years now that’s why I still get more excited for dc releases because the mcu during the infinity saga didn’t feel like movies that could stand on there own but more like chapters in a book we had to wait 10 years to finish cause of only getting one chapter at a time the movie being connected is a cool novelty but when each movie is just setup for the next one that novelty stops being cool and the concept of an interconnected universe wasn’t invented by the mcu Hanna-Barbera and the power rangers has been doing it many years before marvel ever thought about making iron man in 2008

Dude this argument is so weird to me. So many times I see people make the argument that the movies aren’t connected enough and each film seems separate from the MCU. But now you’re saying it’s too connected

But... Cameos and setup next movies/series are literally the main foundations of the MCU 😅. When a MCU movie has a great story by its own, awesome, I applaud. But that's the both things that makes the MCU what it is.

@@kevin10001 but that… that was the point of the Infinity Saga though! It was like the old school serials of the 1930’s and 40’s but with better budget. It’s just that none of us picked up on it until stuff like Civil War came out. I mean I’ve noticed that so many of you guys want self contained movies but refusing to acknowledge that that era of those types of Comic Book movies just don’t put butts in seats like they used to, which is why DC is just stuck in atm. I mean don’t get me wrong I see the problems the Multiverse Saga has it’s not perfect, but neither was The Infinity Saga so we should really be giving this next storyline the benefit of the doubt here instead of acting like every project r-worded our childhoods like Star Wars fans did to George Lucas because they couldn’t handle something new and different.

Anyone complaining about this shit isn't really that much of a fan. Comics constantly have crossovers. Back in the old day you had to wait 4-5 years to see a crossover

They really only did it to do cameos. That’s all the mcu is now. Not the mcu we used to have.

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Had. Between that and political propaganda, many are just giving up on it.

Fans need to enjoy the ride and let them tell the story that they are building up too. It is like being at a camp fire. We sit back and let the story teller tell their story.We are not the story teller but we want to take over the story that the story teller is trying to tell.🤔

Don’t forget it also takes away negotiation power from their actors. Now anytime they have an actor being difficult or asking for better pay, they can easily recast them with the multiverse without upsetting or confusing fans.

Yep. Michelle Yeoh and James Hong starred in their lower budget multiverse 2022 and it came out quite good.

As bland as America Chavez is, her actress did a wonderful job and gave a good performance. She was adorable

Had America Chavez been a Labrador Retriever, it would have made sense how she'd be spooked by everything that moved... "squirrels!" and would have been okay with the movie's character development.

No, America was important because Strange learns that it's not always him who has to be the saviour.

@@kevinmckenna5682 They really could have done it better tho. Why not show both Dr Strange AND America Chavez fighting Wanda? That'd make so much more sense but nope. You could even have Zombie-possessed Strange, America and Wanda flying through the Multiverse like they did earlier in the film. Such lazy and rushed writing, if you can even call it that

@@kevinmckenna5682 that has been done in infinite war.

That movie is the real Multiverse of madness

Did it though I mean hot dog hands was the best they got lol.

@@Anthonycheesman33 bro did u even watch the rock scene or racoonie

@@mariannoshenoy4592 There is no point in talking with this guy. If he thinks sausage hands was the best thing he probably need to have a lot of laughter and a lot of comedy in the movie. He probably thinks Thor 4 was te best movie yet because GOATS

EEAAO is beautiful. The fact they could give emotions to a pair of rocks and give even the raccoon and hot dog fingers pathos is amazing

I'm reposting my other comment. One big weakness of the Multiverse is when they basically do what Spider-Man did and set it up as a glass window instead of a door to be opened. Like yeah Venom and Morbius are in the same multiverse, but it doesn't matter because Sony will never let them all come together in a MCU movie anyways. So why tease us? Seeing Peter-2 and Peter-3 was VERY cool, and they were relevant in NWH, but it stings knowing they probably won't even be referenced in the future.

Yah and there is no better venom than Tom hardy so all it’ll do is make fans more angry and upset

@@GreigaBeastDS I could see Disney eat Sony if they do not eventually sell those rights away.

@@Alresu A hostile takeover is much harder to do overseas-not impossible, but it’s not as easy as Musk did to Twitter

But hulk and Thor really need to be done with

That's not what the mcu have in mind and comic book industry in general unfortunately. Its why Invincible is good, there's an ending to Mark's story

Yeah, the M.C.U. is finally turning into Marvel.

@@-haclong2366 MCU has always been Marvel

The issue is, everyone is expecting EVERY SINGLE PHASE 4 PROPERTY TO HAVE WORLD ENDING STAKES. They're expecting 10+ characters from different properties to cameo & then disappoint themselves and call Love & Thunder bad just because Thor is trying to hard to seem okay to everyone around him. People aren't supposed to be looking at the upcoming MCU properties with the entire flash card knowledge of their stories that they've had read at them by desperate KZfaqrs, you're not supposed to pick apart every second of interviews and trailers and try and guess the movie's events before you even see it.

@@Whiteythereaper thank you somebody with common fucking sense everybody’s whining about the multiverse saga and how there’s “no stakes “ like wtf does that even mean. If anything every project that’s upcoming from phase 5 and phase 6 already in my eyes will do significantly better than anything from phase 1-3 and an argument could be put up for infinity war/endgame. But slander on phase 4 just because majority of these shows and movies didn’t live up to some peoples ridiculously high expectations does not mean Marvel is declining or getting worse anytime soon, I mean even marvels worst projects still get attention and kills most movies with the box score I have nothing but trust for anything kevin feige puts out

I just don’t think marvel sees it as a problem

Good point.

No, they really aren't. Entitled fanboys are picking and choosing things they want to say are bad, purely because it's suddenly cool to say "no the multiverse stuff is overplayed" when we've barely seen anything. We have only just reached a point in Phase 4 that the properties that weren't affected by Covid lockdowns, besides Black Panther, are starting to release. The stories that we are seeing were supposed to take place closer to Endgame and suffered rewrites and complete overhauls to adjust to the new insurance costs and social distancing rules during filming. The characters that have appeared before are supposed to still be traumatised by Thanos and what happened. The new ones are supposed to show more of the history of the universe, showing us Gods and cosmic beings that, until now, had stayed hidden, abandoning much of the known universe, only coming back after Thanos using the Infinity Gauntlet threatened to undo reality, and the technology of Earth has shown that they are ready to cause chaos.

Soooo true

There is probably a joke in there somewhere about comics generally being fine with the concept of a retcon in the 1st place.

Unique?

@@chefcorinth I mean, I always thought it was. Having multiple universes/dimensions or realities. Back then I would’ve scoffed at it but I think it definitely works if you have a good writing crew tackle it.

True, it just feels like some weird Dragon Ball-esque tale of ever increasing power levels. First of all, that means they HAVE to keep upping the ante, and great characters and villains end up losing focus just for being street-level, secondly this constant need to one-up the previous movie will eventually lead to a problem when they reach a point where that's no longer possible. If Loki and the early bad guys were threats to all of Earth or the galaxy, Thanos was a threat to the Universe, and Kang will be a threat to the Multiverse, what can they possibly do next? How can they outdo "saving reality itself"?

@@starkillersneed I was gonna mention Dragon Ball, too. There are so many asspulls, and unnecessary power ups and scaling imbalances that it’s become really hard for things to even feel special about it anymore. This isn’t gonna feel any different if it keeps going.

@@NoirNameless Imagine how much less hype Infinity War and Endgame would have if every single Marvel movie was a mega teamup where they face a Thanos-level villain

@@starkillersneed That’s facts. I’m actually a bit afraid for how they’ll handle my favorite villain. Which is Dr. Doom. I’m scared he’ll either be rushed, the badassary won’t be captured the same, or will be a letdown the same way Gorr was. Villains like them with because of the buildup and characters having to organically come together to stop them. I swear cameos just don’t feel as special as they used to. It’s so weird that at one point, cameos felt impossible, now they’re second nature and serve no purpose most of the time.

They're pretty much already there.

Feige is a hack

The issue is that they're doing it for every single movie, solo films as well as Avengers films. Iron Man 1, 2, and 3 weren't world ending, Cap 2 and 3 weren't world ending, Thor 1 wasn't world ending, etc. etc. It used to be that for the most part, solo films were more character based and smaller scale with the huge world ending storylines reserved for avengers movies. Now it's every. Single. Movie. That's where the issue arises. They've basically turned the TV shows into the small scale stuff and the movies into world shattering multiverse shattering catastrophes that they somehow manage to stop by the end only for them to set up another one down the line. Spiderman, Doctor Strange, Eternals, even black widow to an extent. All these massive Avengers level threats to the world or the multiverse. What they need to do is tone it back down. Have a big event every once in awhile not every movie or it just becomes stale in the grand scheme of things.

@@ploopy8780 I'd look at it another way in that sometimes, the main hero does save the world outside of the Avengers. That wasn't Spider-Man 1-2, but was 3. He's gone through the bulk of the roster of his main local threats, by the end of the 3rd film. The real recurring theme is that it was a threat of his own making that endangered the world/multiverse. He essentially did what Tony did with Ultron, but fudged it up a little bit worse. It took 3 versions of him and Strange to fix it. His entire arc is him becoming a better hero on the level of the Avengers. Which means he kind of needs to survive/prevent a world ending event. Iron man sacrificing himself in the Avengers to save the world is an expression of his evolution. Cap did it out the gate in his 1st movie because he's practically already perfect. So humble he chose not to lift Mjolnir the 1st time. Peter looks up to both of them. The Eternals are already their own powerful group, that would absolutely be the type with world level stakes. They just felt out of place by the time the story reached present day. Magic wielders by design are pretty much capable of breaking reality. Can't imagine making a movie with them or Strange and not have that level of threat. Phase 1 was building up to Thanos, and there was always that looming threat even though that particular day had been saved. The multiverse use is just them winning battles before the real big war. The next big threat is coming from there in as opposed to Space. Once again set in motion in part by the heroes' themselves. Also Loki. He keeps fucking shit up too (still, kinda the heroes' fault).

Some of my favorite Dr. Strange comics is where he saves like two or three people.

@@ploopy8780 Soooo true

I searched it up: it’s called source code :)

Source code

It annoys me as well man

theyre two different continuties how tf do you not know this by now lol… how do you think the living tribunal is still alive.. how do you think there was only one multiversal war to ever happen with only kangs… why is america chavez completety different…

I can't fathom why anyone would waste mental energy pondering this question

Honestly I thought that whole concept should have been limited to only magic users because the idea that dreams are views into other realities felt silly and a massive rule to affect the entire MCU even for a movie of this genre.

@@silverblue73 😂

That is one of the main part I did not like. This means that no one has creative dreams their just different realities.

You missed the whole concept of dream walking. It has little to do with lucid dreaming and everything to do with possession of your multiverse body such that it is dream walking.

You bugging

Yeah agreed. Shang-Chi was by far my favourite movie, and I really enjoyed Ms Marvel & Moon Knight which again, pretty simple origin stories!

I absolutely loved Spider-Man no way home it's a miracle that Disney, Marvel and Sony were able to make that movie as great as it is

Shang-Chi also has a multiverse theme

Shang Chi is ok but it's corny, safe and often boring. Multi of madness was wayyy more creative and interesting.

The X Men films were as hit or miss under 20th Century Fox Fox as Marvel is with Disney.

ITS A GOOD THING YOU’RE NOT WORKING ON THESE FILMS AND NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU WANTS

@@chasehedges6775 yeah, but imagine a "phase 1" "Apocalypse Saga" as good as phase one of "infinity saga." I can dream, can't I?

That’s how I feel, the X-men should have their own universe because they are going to ruin them trying to have them in the same universe

@@stringer2295 it's too late to suddenly say "they were here all along!" Or "society is persecuting them because superpowers." It really should just be its own thing, and hopefully more comic accurate than the Fox movies. And it should take place in the 90s so Magneto is 100 years old...

Funny how the real multiverse theory is also an ex-machina for the atheistic mind

@@benjaminwatt2436 You mean to say that atheists like to cite multiple possibilities as a reason for being atheists, essentially launching an ex-machina to any argument for the contrary? Interesting.

​@@benjaminwatt2436wtf does this mean?

​@@Mahlak_Mriuani_AnatmanHe has no idea what he's talking about lol

Yeah that sounds like a bad argument imo

its not consistent though. america chavez should be causing an incursion everywhere she goes, especially when she stays in the main universe at kamer taj

We need more scientific babble as to why being in another universe is a problem. Tell us matter being foreign causes ripples in the famous space time continuum or something and even then that wouldn’t explain why dreamwalking is problem. But I think we needed more than just - your presence here could cause and incursion and a post credit scene confirming Dr S has causes one. I assume they don’t want to be clear because at the end of SW they will want to merge some of this universes and they don’t want to contradict themselves.

@@salemgelidi3266 I mean there’s three pretty simple possibleexplanations for that 1) Because of her powers America doesn’t cause incursions 2) America can cause incursions but typically doesn’t have enough of an impact to do so 3) America does cause the occasional incursions we just haven’t seen it yet

@@jonasquinn7977 three pretty simple explanations that werent used though. its still valid to say that the film doesnt explain itself, because while these are possible, they arent presented at all lol theyre just theories

The Multiverse Saga will hopefully be the last because the MCU is getting predictable and stale. This is coming from someone who enjoyed all the MCU movies up until the most recent ones.

​@@KRYMauL the multiverse sage is no where near the last they have it planned out for at least 2 more phases 3 if the mutant saga happens

@@getrichcam3136 The Multiverse saga is the next three phases. Mutants will probably just be an interlude during this saga. Alternatively they could pull a Heroes Reborn/Avengers vs. X-Men and introduce the X-Men in that next phase. I think if anything this “Secret Wars” movie is going to end with Battleworld.

​@@KRYMauL my fault I meant to put saga not phase they've already confirmed an eternity and timeless saga and I said three if the mutants get their own saga

@@getrichcam3136 You said saga, making a whole mutants saga would be ridiculous because these moves are getting diminishing returns.

clearly it is cause why do they keep getting money….. before you say cameos or whatever well thats not what we got with MoM as literally everyone was expecting and yet still the franchise is doing great so…

Agreed

And Shang-chi

She Hulk isn’t political… lol it’s a superhero sitcom about a woman. You thought the source material didn’t dig at men and highlight things women go through?

@@Dcovington bruh they spent an entire episode straight up telling us how hard she hulk has it compared to her uncle just because she's a woman in a scene that was memed worldwide. And coincidentally she hulks writer is a man hating feminist . Yea you're right it ain't political. Bug brain deduction...

Same. The evil Doctor Strange should have been the villain of Multiverse Of Madness

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It's a shame so many people miss the fact that she's being manipulated by the Darkhold. She's not in control, and at the end of the movie, she's rejected by the children she wanted and manages to break free of the control the dark magic had on her.

@@Whiteythereaper No , she's been a great heroine now turns into a villain for a trashy reason to find her kids why not her brother and vision ? A horrible way to write a villain and all of a sudden we're supposed to feel sympathy for her makes not sense like Cathy in falcon and the winter soldier

@@Whiteythereaper It feels to me like she took it to get what she wanted and it just ramped everything up to a 20.

I mean, yeah, I think a big part of the appeal of Spider Man: No Way Home was that it caused 3 up-until-then seemingly completely unrelated film series to all interact. If they already all seem to be part of the same 'superuniverse', it dampens the 'when worlds collide' factor quite a bit.

@@jaschabull2365 I disagree, Many Fans on the Internet already knew they were going to be in the movie, but the fans were still excited because they were well-liked characters.

Probably why Shang-chi succeeded unlike the rest

@@mastername5373 They didn't know that until the trailers, or maybe whatever pre-trailer coverage of the movie was leaked before that. If it was clear from the first time Tom Holland appeared as Spiderman in 2016 that the McGuire and Garfield portrayals of the character would eventually meet him later, I must've been living under a bigger rock than I realized. And in any case, it certainly wasn't apparent when watching the Raimi and Webb movies that there would later be a reboot that reintroduces its characters.

No? He explains how they’ve been misusing the multiverse in several movies and that its kind of become an overused trope in every movie since it was introduced

@@theRagingGlory the end result being dull, stakes-less movies.

Thank you

@@PhelesDragon I don't see anyone complaining phase1-3 plot who were big mcu fans , but this phase 4 even a big mcu fan like me are complaining about plot , writing , cgi , direction bcuz it is really bad , phase 1-3 was criticized only by those who didn't liked mcu but those who loved it we mcu fans rarely criticized it , only once in a while with few movies but phase 4 even as a fan I can say most of the content are shit.

You didn't watch the video

That’s not how the multiverse works in the MCU mate

@@Davefromdabend5 It's literally already happened with Loki, Wanda's kids, No Way Home, etc.

What do you dont understand?

Exactly?

He stayed in one of the alternate timelines that he went to to return the stones (most likely when he returned the tesseract that they took from the 1970s) with Peggy Carter until she passed away, at which point he used the pym particles that were for his return journey to come back. The most "confusing" part is that he doesn't reappear back on the pad he was supposed to, which doesn't really get explained beyond a throwaway line about "blowing past his time stream" or something. You can chalk that up to cinematic license, since the reveal of Old Man Cap on the bench is more dramatic than him appearing on the pad.

@@DLTyrus he never used the suit again thats why he didnt reappear. So why and how was he able to "come back"? He didnt...he has always been there... The moebius strip explains it... time cant be changed everything happened how it was supposed to happen... So when captain america was fighting aliens in NY there was already an old Steve Rogers somewhere out there waiting for his moment to come...

@@cmbaz1140 I mean, why he popped up on the bench, and not in his suit on that specific area with which he went, like the avengers did after time heist

When did marvel ever needed to step up exactly ?LMAO !🤣🤣

@@fahimalfaisal7781 ever since the Boys and Invincible took the spotlight

@@ardent835 took the spotlight ?When ?How ?From the biggest movie franchise in the world ?On twitter ?KZfaq ?Seriously ?Thats it ?Biggest joke of the century !Like it’s not even funny !LMAO !🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@fahimalfaisal7781 the biggest joke of the century is She Hulk twerking, Ms Marvel existing, Thor Love and Thunder wasting Gorr, Dr Strange 2 being mediocre and The Eternals being a borefest so take your fanboy goggles off before making a fool out of yourself.

@@ardent835 She-Hulk twerking is PERFECTLY in line with She-Hulk as a character ,she’s whacky ,silly and absurd ,Ms.Marvel is simply amazing I as a Muslim is extremely proud of it ,the way it celebrated the South Asian and Muslim culture and Iman Vellani is simply charming as Kamala ,so proud it is getting a second season !Thor 2 had Gorr the right amount of time ,as he was sympathetic father and menacing ,screen time doesn’t matter ,he was incredible ,MOM was simply amazing ,it showed progress for Strange and Wanda finally releasing her corruption of the Darkhold ans sacrificing herself !Only a brain dead ,devoid of any brain cells pathetic asshole would call Eternals a borefest ,the philosophical themes and meanings were incredible ,I can go on and on with how Eternals was amazing with all its deep themes and there was no villain in the movie ,just different people with different motives ,it’s not called fanboy !Its called speaking facts and doing research which you severely lack but yet still shoving your ass here to argue with your baseless and worthless piece of trash ,and trying too hard !Good luck !Do better next time !LMAO !🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's ok to be skeptical because from what they have released so far ... It has been terrible and full of plotholes.

Theyre leading to secret wars, they just announced that. Not only that, but people have been speculating a lot for years about the direction in which theyre headed. With patience, the pay off will come and it will be epic. Thank you for tuning into today’s short TED talk.

@@iampulkit who cares about secret wars though? Its just going to be another recreation of infinity war, but even less stakes this time, somehow

@@TakeAStabProductions well i guess we’ll have to wait and watch, abt another 1000 days lol

Just wait till phase 6 ends & you'll get your answer. It's upto you whether you're interested or not as simple as that. I get why people say Endgame should've been the end (i don't really agree to that but it's understandable) but No Way Home being the end? What? Seriously??☠️☠️☠️

@@Indeeee yea, agree. theres no need to see absolutely every project they make, just see the ones ur interested in. i think Secret Invasion is the most promising upcoming show

They definitely feel that way.

That's how most franchises work. Star Wars merchandise makes 4 times as much money as their movies. Batman merchandise makes 3 times as money as their movies. Spider-Man makes twice as much from merchandise as movies. Dragonball makes about 1.5 times from merchandise as from their mangas and anime combined.

No one is making you watch it. I mean, you didn't even need to watch this video.

Agreed. So much content, too little time to breath

@@chasehedges6775 why are you commenting everywhere like a pathetic asshole cheap attention seeking bot account !Fuck off pathetic asshole !

@@kevinmckenna5682 ok fanboi. Go drink your soy. Seriously, is it that hard to give an opposing opinion without some suburbanite neckbeard getting offended? Check your privilege. And no, I haven't watched any superhero movies since Wonder Woman, but then again I actually have a life

@@kevinmckenna5682 What kind of argument is that? It's clear that the non-stop churning out content is causing a serious decline in quality.

Honestly, thats their fucking problem. I work 10-15 hour days driving to construction sites carrying 50 pounds cement bags of flights of stairs all day and I am all caught up. If I can manage it, they can.

Exactly! Like the tv shows were a great concept for during Covid lockdown times. Everyone was at home and no one wanted to go to the theaters. But now lockdowns are over. People don’t have time to stay home and watch tv.

@@CaseNumber00 It's entertainment people can enjoy in their free time. They can watch when they have the chance or just not watch it if they feel like it is "homework." It isn't bad because there is more of it and I feel having more hasn't really changed the quality all that much like many try to claim.

@@tuffdude7795 Of course, but its tantamount to bitching about a movie not making sense after only seeing Part 2 of a franchise. Its fine watching the movie, no ones stopping you, but you made the decision to watch this media then get mad and publicly complain about it because you dont understand and watching the other material in the franchise that chronologically takes place before this media, which will most surely answer and solve you problems, but wont because it is too inconvenient for you. The problem is not the media or the franchise, its you. The real problem here is people are getting mad at everyone and everything else where they are the problem. It sucks you dont have the time but dont be blaming others and make excuse. You say its HW but, no one ever made it so, it wasnt designed to act like one. What you are doing is packaging the inconvenience into another form, faulty logic- a strawman, and attacking it as the excuse and reason for being mad at the media and doing more effort to watch it. You missed the bus. You missed the train. They leave at set time, announcements for the shows or movies come out weeks or months in advance, and you missed the train. Taking a step back, its not the trains or conductors fault you missed it, its you. You got caught up for a moment walking out the door, forgot your keys, and had to walk back, left the trash cans behind your care, its ultimately your fault. You lie to yourselves, "its not MY fault I didnt watch the show or movie, they just make too many media for me to follow". Instead of fucking around with me in the comments, use that time to watch the other content.

@@CaseNumber00 My comment was agreeing with you. I don't see it as homework. I was saying that if people do think it is homework maybe they don't enjoy this franchise and should stop watching it. You are absolutely right that if you don't watch the prequels to what you are currently watching it isn't the current movie's fault it is yours.

Also they ruined how Infinity stones are supposed to work. Since nothing by any means can destroy them. And even if they are, the universe will die with it.

Nope