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The paths of pain talking to each other is literally just like Nagato talking to himself.

6 paths of allegations

Seth can scale Itachi against Pain but he can't scale himself against the law 💀

The fact that these two went from being chill here to now hating each other

Thank you for making this video. This video changed my life. Finding out the true victor between Pain and Itachi helped me overcome my mental health problems. Thank you very much SethTheProgrammer.

I like how the second half of the video was almost entirely dedicated to finding ways that itachi might be able to beat pain. Really just shows what a mountain pain is to overcome.

When Tsunade says that Sasuke had to be juicing to be so strong, I always took that to mean that he actually had been. He'd been with Orochimaru for years, a guy known for his immoral scientific experiments and practices. Sasuke went there to get stronger. He's already been totally cool using the curse mark. I'm sure that he'd be willing to take any experimental snake-dick pills that Orochimaru gave him.

The real most legendary fight is Seth vs His Allegations

I have to go with Pain, simply because Pain is such a hard counter to Itachi. He has vastly superior stamina and that stamina can be exasperated by continuing to bring back any fallen paths. Plus, their eyes make them immune to visual genjutsu which takes away Itachi's greatest strength. Even Amaterasu can be absorbed or pushed away. Ultimately, I see Pain winning a battle of endurance.

One thing always missed about Pain is how he scales to the entire village. He beats Chouza (Jonin), Choji (Chunin), Kakashi (Kage Light), Shizune (Jonin), Ibiki (Jonin), Three Ambu,Iruka (Chunin), Ma, Pa, Three Giant Toad Summons, Naruto (Kage-Level), and arguably the Nine Tails. He beats dozens if not hundreds more nameless ninja. On top of this Pain is interrogating people, meaning he’s not trying to kill in most cases. He destroys a village of over 100,000 people (scaling from the army they can produce). I think Pain scales to the entire leaf village, which is wild. Just my thoughts.

Nagato straight up fought someone as smart and tricky as Kakashi while having 4 different bodies out doing God knows what. Like, all 4 of them could be doing stuff as complex as 1 on 3 interrogations while the fights happening lmao wtf. Also, imagining Itachi doing that tsukiyomi feat with his gf as nothing but improv is seriously impressive and the opposite of him writing it out beforehand is hilarious is a morbid sort of way.

I'm glad that they pointed out that Itachi never once, really, had to go all out in a fight. It makes me wonder what else Itachi could do, or knew how to do but didn't want to or never was pushed to do. They talked about a big factor being how much Itachi knew about Pain, but I think it goes both ways, and not just with the Susano'o, Totsuka Blade or Yata Mirror. With as analytical as he was, and how much he studied and looked into other jutsu, there could be things Itachi could pull but we never saw because he wasn't pushed to it.

I always got the vibe that Itachi and Pain were exact equals to eachother. They were Naruto and Sasuke’s main enemy for most of the series (Sasuke always wanted to kill Itachi and Naruto got the entire villiage to admire him because he beat Pain) both were also these ultimate powerhouses, but held back by aging and sickness, and they were even paired up when revived.

My favorite line in the whole video “one thing about itachi you gotta know is that he is the sandbagger god” 😂 so true man’s never goes all out

Thank you guys for this I love all of the scaling points you made and agree! Most people won't acknowledge all of the one shots and the basic idea of how much Itachi did hold back in mostly the entire series and as soon as he saw a god tier jutsu he countered it!

Itachi vs Seth's allegations... (Itachi genjutsu's Seth and makes him think noone will notice him trying to joke his way out)

Poor Itachi hates killing, but he's always getting put into these death matches lol

We're getting an absolute barrage of Seth videos and honestly you're one of like 3 anime creators I watch so I'm definitely appreciating it. You make my work days easier when I have stuff to listen to

1. Itachi, Naruto & Bee Vs Nagato (controlled by Kabuto) There's a huge difference. Kabuto almost forgot about Chibaku. The real Nagato wouldn't have just stood there like a puppet. Nagato has sensory to spot Kabuto for Itachi to find. He'll easily spot Itachi nearby. 2. Naruto vs Pain = Pain - Jiraiya's info - Prep time with 2 Sage clones - Needed help from Frog Sage to reverse summon Naruto's clones - Tsunade's slug advising Naruto - Pain almost made Naruto lose hope when he pinned him down until Hinata SUPER triggered him. - Minato had to reseal for Naruto, and rebuild his confidence. - Naruto gained Sage mode after being saved by Minato. - Naruto fought drained Pain after destroying the whole damn village! Naruto would've been SUPER dead if it was truly 1 vs 1. 3. Itachi Vs Pain = Pain According to this video, it seems like it's close to a draw, however, they kept stating "equal stats," which it isn't. Ultimately, it'll come down to who has more chakra, Nagato. Pain is too much of a powerhouse for Itachi to last. Itachi is finished once his Susanoo is gone, assuming he's nearly or is out of chakra. Think about how well Nagato was able to control the Six Paths simultaneously. Amaterasu will do absolutely nothing because it'll get absorbed or pulled off immediately! Not to mention, Amaterasu could get absorbed with a scroll, like how Jiraiya did after Itachi and Kisame ran away from Jiraiya's jutsu. Raikage dodged it against Sasuke, which means it's not as fast as Sasuke's Kirin (lightning). Gaara easily pulled out Madara out of his Susanoo. That means Itachi won't be perfectly guarded. Maybe Pain could pull him out. If Itachi's Totsuka blade can't reach the core of Pain's Chibaku, then he'll get trapped inside along with Susanoo. Susanoo won't be able to move. There are so many ways this fight can last long. Pain will keep reviving. Itachi will have a tough time catching him. Eventually, Itachi will deplete all his chakra. Pain will rip out Itachi's soul with one touch while the others attack (not all 6). Itachi can never waste his chakra against Pain. Nagato is from the Uzumaki clan, which carries the most chakra. This video explained how this fight could drag, which means it'll come down to who has more chakra. Pain wins. Itachi's two eyes versus 6 Pains + 7th Pain wAll Powers. I doubt it. Itachi might have to fight blind against the 7th Pain. And that's IF Itachi could figure out how to kill him without chakra. One touch is all Nagato will need to rip out Itachi's soul. Pull + Rip = dead. Or another Chibaku (Planetary Devastation) while hidden and ready to absorb powers.

I always believed that if stamina is a factor then most likely Nagato wins because of how much he can draw out a confrontation. Itachi has a lot of insta kills, but Nagato has the bodies, summons & chakra to spare

Man, the Shikamaru vengence arc through the Pein arc was definitely the golden age of Naruto. I remember I kept thinking how much better the show kept getting into the war arc too (fillers and shittily animated episodes notwithstanding), but in hind sight I was definitely most invested up until Pein was defeated. The mystery, the Sasuke shit, all the fights taking place against our main characters as they finally come of age and prove themselves as the elite class of Jonin while it still meant something. My God, it's so good I can't get over it

They're respectively the Best Naruto characters since they are in the Best two fights in the whole Series against the two main characters, Pain vs Naruto And Sasuke vs Itachi are so legendary nobody can deny that imo The top 2 Best fights by Far in the Verse

What a fun video. Great content mate

Seth powerscale how strong the prison guards are

Nothing like a Swag/Seth video to take me back to the good old days Edit: Holy shit what a difference a month makes

They weren't able to mention Tendo Pain being able to defend himself even while casting Chibaku Tensei against Six Tails. Also, they didn't mentioned Nagato sensing Amaterasu before the fire even came out. All in all, I'm with Swag, Pain edges out a bit.

In the novels, Itachi goes up against one of Danzo's Aburame clan members. This person isn't making eye contact, but looking at Itachi through his bugs to fight him. A great strategy. However Itachi circumvents this by casting Tsukyomi ON THE bugs making eye contact. Because the chakra is all linked together, sharing information - all the bugs are affected, including the ones inside of the aburame ninja and himself. Itachi then follows up with an Amaterasu. If Pein can be circumvented in any way like that, then I'll say Itachi has an extremely strong change to KO the real Nagato through the paths. Genjutsu is just chakra, travelling through the body and cranial nerves (according to jiraya) the receptors transfer chakra. If he's able to move that chakra through bugs , it might be a possibility. Itachi tbh is one of those characters, where if you give him prep time, he can likely definitely kill you. His IQ and hax is strong enough. That's what Obito is likely referring to. He hid most information from Itachi his entire life, because he believed that Itachi had the ability and means to take him out. He wasn't even as cautious around Nagato and Konan, which says a lot (also cost him, because he underestimated konan)

The crazy thing about Itachi, is that he is only seen when he wants to be seen. I don't think we've ever even seen Itachi at full force or power. He was obviously holding back against Sasuke. Obito legit feared him, and Zetsu said that he was unstoppable when he got serious.

Best video I think you have. Gave yourselves the time to fully explain concepts and thoughts. More of these please

Missed these types of chill scaling vids with u and swag great vid guys ❤

Thing is, theres no way itachi could gather intel from pain. Even his own civilians don't even know who nagato was

i highly doubt kishimoto was thinking about the fact pain caught a sage mode punch without flinching when he added the line about no one being able to jump into the naruto pain fight because they were too powerful but thats why i love this series the analysing you can do with each little fight that brings detail to the whole universe is outstanding

This was fun. I'm pretty sure Pain wins. I'm on the mindset they mentioned somewhere in the vid that since he's mentally able to deal with information collected by 6 bodies, he can handle Tsukuyomi. That and Itachi's highballs are too mythical to be taken seriously imo. On that Bruce Lee energy.

Tbh I would give it to pain🤷🏾‍♂️ itachi wouldn’t know to go for deva or naraka path. He doesn’t really have a counter for planetary devastation and he would probably just get overwhelmed by all the paths and run out of stamina. I doubt he would try but itachi wouldn’t be able to do much with taijutsu the human path stopped sage jiraiya. I don’t see genjutsu working on all the paths and pain could just absorb Amaterasu. Itachi has other bs but I feel like pain would just outlast itachi🤷🏾‍♂️ he can’t one shot all the pains at once.

On the “divinity” subject, can’t believe you guys missed that Nagato’s crawling machine makes it literally look like he’s been crucified.

Great video!

I'd be up for a "lecture on Naruto powerscaling" series where you explain the tiers of power arc by arc, organisation, rank (kage, jonin etc), hidden village etc and make an ongoing ranking of the mayjor players.

Ngl hearing Seth and swag laughing and cracking jokes is heartbreaking when you know they're not friends anymore

nice to see these two in such a nice and long video

This has to be the most complicated fight to debate in all of Naruto. So many layers to it. I found it crazy how that manga page at the end could be talking about either one being the most powerful member of the akatsuki. Then the argument about Tsukyiomi’s injection of information vs Pain’s above average brain being able to control 6 people at once. We really wouldn’t know unless we asked Kishimoto.

About Kurama figuring out chibaku tensei faster, it's possible that Kurama knows what Chibaku tensei is from his time with the sage of sixth paths and it's a reaction from memory instead of being able to reason how the jutsu works faster than Itachi.

awesome vid!

Hey Seth, hope you're good, I was wondering if you had ever considered throwing some of the longer vids on lore or theories on Spotify as podcasts? I can't always watch on KZfaq (driving or too much data usage) but I love listening to your vids. I understand if it's not really a worthy investment but I'd imagine a lot of others might be interested in this too? Food for thought 😁

41:40 The one time we’ve seen rinnegan paths against genjutsu was the frog and even the paths who were caught could still talk (meaning Nagato was pumping chakra still) and the other paths were still in control They had the sword in them to paralyze them

I feel pretty confident Pain would win. But to say it's extremely high-diff would be an understatement.

Honney wake up, allmost an hour long seth video just droped.

The .hack// music at the start brought back a memory I forgot I had. Thanks bub. 👌🏻

37:37 That part where Konan mentions the sky cries again could implied whoever has the most pain and hurt in their past is the strongest between Itachi or Pain. Its my head canon.

There’s been a lot of Itachi hyping so far but I always go with pain because it feels right to me.

Great video 👍👍👍

He's the edgy older brother who really has a heart of gold. Obviously he would have the greatest power in such a fight, plot armor.

Two of the Best characters kishimoto made easily, Imo they're The Best Written characters Along With Obito And Sasuke, But Imo Pain and Itachi are above Them for The impact They've left

39:50 I think it's Pain. It's tricky because Itachi NEVER fights seriously, but Pain has such a versatile arsenal and we quite clearly see that Itachi struggles with stamina/disease that it's tough to see how Itachi overcomes it. Itachi would probably have to be sandbagging by like 50% or more in his fight against Sasuke to be able to beat Pain.

You two were wonderful together, and with Six you were so great. It's still sad that we may never see another like this due to some terrible choices. I hope all of you can move on and grow from everything, together or not. Thanks for the previous fun.

My favorite thing ever discussed by you guys still is just Itachi having the rinnegan but having a flock of crows with it just wrecking everything😂

You've been on fire lately. I'd like to see more animal matchups. Loved your gorilla vs bear matchup.

Regardless this fight would be the most epic fight ever and I guess we will never know what happens if they fought.

I really enjoyed this conversation 😊👍

Itachi and Pain vs the allegations next pls

I think the rinnegan can block the tsukuyomi, otherwise Madara would have also been trapped in the infinite tsukuyomi, with Madara and Sasuke two characters having rinnegan being unaffected I think it’s safe to assume

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Pain might dodge the amaterasu but he wont help you dodge prison time,you done nigga

The way I interpret how the paths of pain functioned is that they were revived by the lord of the underworld and are being controlled through the rods by nagato's chakra by issuing commands and are moving themselves based on the commands they're receiving not nagato directly controlling each individual one himself, so they're basically just juiced up ninja with nagato's chakra and power so I wouldn't think the tsukuyomi would hit nagato if frog song couldn't

The hardest part of ALL of this is that, going back kinda to what you guys were saying, in the end, we don’t truly know what it looks like for Itachi to sincerely try. We don’t have a clue. We could ASSUME that, due to his distress and his “MY PAIN IS FAR GREATER,” that Pain himself is giving more overall effort in that moment. The ONLY time we EVER see Itachi give that level of flamboyance, is when it is literally just an act. I almost feel like itachi was left this way on purpose. He’s one of the only characters that we never really truly see a cap to. We never see his limit. We only know what people says, which is where obito says things like “if itachi wanted you dead, you would be dead.” We’ve only seen him threaten, and based on what people perceive, that are fearful enough to not get in his way. So like … what could this man TRULY be capable of? Has he been overhyped? Or is he truly terrifying?

Why prison solos Seth

I high-key think you can tell which ads Seth is actually chill with or silently cringing at based on how he talks about it.

This is a really good video. Good conversation and you guys walked through the ideas perfectly

These vids take me back

Seth VS Allegations Who would claim victory?

Pain wins and here’s why. Itachi would have to waste a lot of chakra to deduce all the pains individual skills starting the battle. The amount of summonings with outside attacks would pressure him to much to be forced to use susanno. The reason it gets to this point is fireball justu and Amaterasu gets absorbed or repelled. You could argue since the susanno is chakra it can be absorbed but even if it can’t itachi can’t stop chibaku tensei by himself. Genjustu wise the pains should be aware of how good itachi is at it and a good counter is having certain bodied eyes closed and some open and have it continuously switch so itachi doesn’t know which body to he can hit with genjustu. And again with the pressure from the summonings he cannot be worrying about that. He in order needs to deal with the animal, revive, and absorbing path first. His stamina wouldn’t hold out whereas the pains would keep refreshing stamina early on in the battle by Reviving paths.

Yeah, it's definitely The Best fight Along With Naruto vs Sasuke. For me neither alive Itachi nor edo Itachi beat Pain And edo nagato respectively. Pain would win most scenerios.

I truly don't know if Amaterasu is blitzing Pain, Pain could either absorb or push it away, but again it's really fast. I just find it kinda weird that Garaa blocks it with no difficulty with his sand, but could blitzs pain.

28:15 I think the way Obito stopped Amaterasu was by removing his right arm which was Zetsu anyways, and then just attaching new one. This wouldn't even be last time he lost his right arm specifically. Later Konan explodes it, and few episodes later he has new one.

I'm glad u guys r able to address both sides fairly and not try to blatantly say 1 side stomps because 1 thing while ignoring the counters for the other side. Which happens a lot in this series community match ups

People putting a lot of stock in Itachi's IQ. You can't out think your way against someone with more hax abilities, raw power, durability and an insane amount of stamina. Pain took on the strongest village, then Naruto with sage toads and sage mode clones ready and intel, then Naruto using 8 tails, then Naruto AGAIN. Unless you think one genjustu affects all of them (which has never been the case with pain) Itachi doesn't win

A lot more entertaining and funny than I thought lol

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I always thought that the nagato was like a your router for wifi and the pains were like a neutral network seeing and working together as one

50:00 raikage was able to dodge Sasuke's amaterasu, which means that amateasu actually travels at a certain speed through the space between the user and its hit point instead of it been teleported from its user to the place the user looks at. Just remember that Naruto first kurama cloack chakra control was able to overcome raikage's speed, which means Naruto would easily dodge Sasuke's amaterasu as well. Just to add more information to the video, it's actually hard to add something to the video since you cover almost everything that could be covered for this debate. Nice job.

Naruto KZfaq isn’t the same without you two doing videos together.

All those Kakashi senseis about to hit Seth with the legendary "This ass shall know pain". Seth about to experience the excitement and pain of that arc all over again like it's his first time (no pun intended). Truly magnificent.

Just watched half the video. I'm a Pain fanboy all day, but this is one of my favorite what if battles in manga. There's just no objective answer it's just a straight 50/50 and that's kinda rare

for the assessment of finding invisibility, the Sharingan can see chakra and the best comparable feat of this is when Sasuke saw the mines in the Deidara fight. so if the chameleon has any form of chakra what so ever, the Sharingan can see it. and i would assume that the summoned beasts at least have chakra flowing to them to issue commands like the 6 paths since they have the rods and rinnegan too.

Love the content my dumbass just hadn't been watching lately because you changed your profile picture my bad bro I can't read. Love the video keep it up guys

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This right here is what we deserved cause that first video y’all did of Pain vs Itachi was so mind boggling to me cause Rinnegan is just too OP Especially if you don’t know pain has 6 bodies + Nagato to deal with

I was always under the impression that Obito, Itachi, and Pain were all relative. I based that line of thought on the simple idea that Obito would not sick Pain on the leaf because Itachi stood in the way, Pain clearly understood Obito's power because of Konan's plan yet still seemed to assume that he would be the one in charge after all biju were captured, and both Pain and Itachi had a clear level of respect for Obito's authority.

Probably one of the most difficult Vs in Naruto, u could make a case for either character, but I do feel pain comes out on top because he does have counters for most itachi attacks or at least he does have them in theory

When Nagato uses chibaku Tensei, Itachi tells Bee and Naruto aim their strongest techniques at the core or they will be trapped. That alone tells me that Itachi would have been trapped if he didn't have the help of the two strongest Junchuriki. I'll have to give it to Pain.

Pain outlasts itachi easily. Gg

I like how in the Itachi vs Pain video we are discussing Sasori vs Kankuro lmao. Side-note, Sasori did destroy Kankuro, but Kankuro had no information going in and Sasori knew everything about his puppets because he made them. It was a bad matchup.

I watched 30 minutes of them talking about everything besides pain vs itachi before I gave up on this being about them 2 at all.

Seth 😈 hello. Today's not your day.

I think, if they fought when alive, Pain would win. We know that Pain can pull people out of Susanoo and universal pull is basically unavoidable and the Yata mirror still needs to be used like a shield and put infront of an attack to block it. The Totsuka(?) blade while strong, won't be as useful because of there being 6 Pains. It might be able to take down one but after that Nagato will know and be careful about it. If the Totsuka blade takes time as well to seal like we saw vs Orochimaru then Itachi could be a sitting duck as well. Nagato might also be able to disconnect from Pains so if Tsukuyomi even work or have any effect on the Rinnegan, then Nagato might still just be able to stop giving Chakara to the pain caught in it so it doesn't affect him. I think the biggest problem though is, as many people have already talked about, stamina. Not only does Pain have superior Stamina but there are 6 of them and to make things worse for Itachi, the more Pains he kills the stronger Tendo becomes and we can be quite certain Tendo will last until the end because all the other Pains will give their lives to protect Tendo.

21:00 aren't we forgetting something? Jariaya's Sage Mode was considered incomplete. It isn't a full sage, and I think the big difference in power output we're seeing is due to that, not Naruto being that much stronger than Jariaya.

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My favorite part of itachi vs pain was when they scaled sasori, that was the real reason i clicked on this video, bc i didnt already know how strong sasori was

As strong as Itachi is, I highly doubt he’s winning a 1 v 6