What Went Wrong? Uber Driver's 120,000 mile Tesla Experiment!

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This week we get an update from our long time friend Dobson who has been driving for Uber for over 8 years. He drives 6 days a week, 300 miles a year. Until last year that meant fueling his Toyota Camry nearly every single day, while changing his oil twice a month. In 2022, Dobson purchased a lightly used 2019 standard range Model 3 Plus. The $53,000 price tag was far more than he had ever spent on a car, but the savings in fuel and maintenance immediately began paying dividends. After a little more than 12 months and 120,000 miles on the odometer, the unthinkable happened to his Tesla. The high voltage batteries life came to an abrupt end.
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@ronrosenberg4058 7 ай бұрын

Nov 27. Any updates on Dobson’s GoFundMe?

@ItsKimJava 7 ай бұрын

Surprising Uber Driver w/ Money for NEW Tesla! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLp7Zclosd_OgIE.html

@garyrooksby 7 ай бұрын

$15k raised already. Great to see.

@Twolife 7 ай бұрын

@@ItsKimJava I curious as to what insurance costs if driving that many miles? I know my insurance ask for milage to determine pricel

@bign1667 7 ай бұрын

Whatever you do sell the tesla and buy a camry/lexus

@bikeman1x11 7 ай бұрын

why encourage this nonsense- let him just get a real car or hybrid

@ChitFromChinola 8 ай бұрын

Tesla will have to figure it out. This guy is essentially testing out the robo-taxi model.

@car_tar3882 8 ай бұрын

Actually Elon is perfect and nothing is wrong and cars shouldn’t have buttons because in 2 minutes they will be robotaxis so shush

@car_tar3882 8 ай бұрын

I actually think we should have a megataxi in a boring tunnel and the megataxi could have steel wheels and the boring tunnel would have steel rails and there would be another rail which is energized and it would take energy from the energized rail so no battery degradation

@carholic-sz3qv 8 ай бұрын

@@car_tar3882lol!!!! What a joke!

@Patriot3 8 ай бұрын

You can count on them not helping anyone out. Lol, you must not have ever had an issue or worked with the clown show Tesla.

@JosefCZ 8 ай бұрын

Is this LFP? It should be better for taxis

@FutureSystem738 8 ай бұрын

I have a friend who uses his 2021 Model 3 for Uber here in Australia. He’s done 250k already, with minimal degradation, only around 10%. However I’ll add that he rarely Supercharges, maybe only 20% of the time or less. I really believe that Supercharging is hard on batteries.

@bones23jones 8 ай бұрын

Do you know if he has the Standard Range LFP or Long Range?

@V10PDTDI 8 ай бұрын

@@bones23jones I think they mentioned that is is a std range but not a LFP I think it's a 2018 it has the chrome trim so it's too old to be a LFP but I wish Tesla would give him a new std range LFP car or swap his battery for a new LFP and see him do the same charging 2 time a day like he was doing to se what would happen.

@bones23jones 8 ай бұрын

@@V10PDTDI yes that would be a great study for the Tesla family. I drive Uber but less than him and only super charge a couple times a week. At 50,000 miles now. So far so good...

@robmcguckin7605 8 ай бұрын

So, he's driven about 30,000 miles more than Dobson (150k miles) but its 2 years newer with less supercharges and yes, fast charging any battery is not good for longevity because of heat degradation.

@sanahaskuranage8071 8 ай бұрын

There’s evidence that super charging doesn’t effect degradation

@ramfan5149 5 ай бұрын

Anyone wanna bet his old Camry is still running like a champ!

@user-jh6sx4ww4f 5 ай бұрын

You know it, and I'm a Chevy man myself

@G11713 5 ай бұрын

NMC batteries are powerful but fragile. The LFP ones are heavy duty and long lasting workhorses with better safety as well. That Camry requires fuel and a lot of weekly maintenance. The Tesla requires windshield washer fluid and tire changes occasionally. This battery thing is unusual and fixed with LFP.

@dongeorge4037 5 ай бұрын

Damned Straight.

@BurkaLifter 5 ай бұрын

@@G11713 you have drank a lot of that koolaid

@peterwilkinson1975 4 ай бұрын

@@BurkaLifter switching to lithium iron phosphate batteries is a good choice. It’s hard to say what went wrong with his battery. It’s early days for electric cars, so people who buy them have to deal with all the early adopter problems. Based on what I’ve seen with battery developments that are happening, way cheaper more reliable faster charging 3x the energy density ect. All of the downsides should be solved in the next 5 years. (There already solved it takes time to develop the manufacturing process to build them). Basically electric will pretty much be superior in every way. All the people who hate change will be the last to switch but ultimately it all comes down to what technology is better.

@SQK1261 5 ай бұрын

A hybrid like a prius would probably make much more sense in this situation.

@anticarnick 5 ай бұрын

Totally what I thought. As a person with papers published in battery research IMHO Tesla sandbags their numbers at the start (they never get the published numbers in range) to preserve the battery from degradation, and then they slowly drop the sandbags until the warranty expires. He needs to K swap this thing :P

@Daikini0 5 ай бұрын

They changed my battery in a 9.5 years old Prius over 200K miles under warranty. Tesla is just trying to find the best way to avoid warranty issues. I like Toyota in general because they treat customers as customers.

@user-zq3wt4qq9b 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Toyota tested the hybrid in the Prius but since it was super reliable they put it in less contraversial looking cars.

@aluisious 5 ай бұрын

That's why I just bought a 23 Camry hybrid. A little smoother and quieter than the Prius, same power train reliability. @@user-zq3wt4qq9b

@chrisrishermn 5 ай бұрын

@@user-zq3wt4qq9b contraversial looking cars? That sounds so female. Do you buy cars based on looks that most other people like? Husbands? Houses? Food? Are you really alive or a robot?

@Mynameisgus94 8 ай бұрын

Man, what a wonderful guy. So honorable and righteous taking a hit like that...Not blaming other for his decision. mad respect to Kim and this man!

@GeoffCK 8 ай бұрын

Piss

@xraylife 8 ай бұрын

🤮🤮🤮

@shanemcgovern1904 8 ай бұрын

How was he to know that the battery would die while trying to earn a living, after all tesla says "battery longevity is not affected by frequent supercharging" I definitely think tesla knew there was an issue with the battery while it was still in warranty. Where is their goodwill towards this man.

@davidbowl9650 8 ай бұрын

@@user-lu3nn5ly3f true. if his battery is already a refurb

@plektosgaming 7 ай бұрын

@@user-lu3nn5ly3f Absolutely. He's not living out of a shack trying to make ends meet. (very nice house he has there) 300 miles+ of UBER a day is good money. Easily enough to afford a new battery or gas for your hybrid car. And, yes, all batteries eventually die. ALL ALL ALLLLLL of them. Every last one. And when they do, it's a massive outlay. 10K+ in most cases. Often closer to $20K with labor and taxes. Which means that an out of warranty EV is basically something you sell for parts. So resale is part of the equation as well as a business expense. Meaning he knew going in that this was going to devalue to zero by the end as he was 100% going to drive it as long as the batteries DID last. He was just hoping he could get 200K/2 years out of it like his previous Camry. The go fund me is.. just enabling him. He really didn't need the money compared to other people out there.

@crispyjokingtuna1495 7 ай бұрын

His comparison of the battery to an engine is actually really good. The only problem is that a used engine for a 2019 camry costs less than 3 grand and will last much longer than an ev battery

@wilson2455 7 ай бұрын

the issue is that taxi/Uber ICE engines are always at operational temperature. Over 90% of wear within a ICE comes from cold, stop/start driving. If properly maintained, a taxi drivetrain can do 500K+ miles before it needs major repairs or replacement.

@David.42 7 ай бұрын

Speaking from experience, a better analogy would be a comparison with a dual clutch or CVT type transmission. The vw/Audi DCTs are replacement only at the dealer, and the cost can easily exceed the trade in value of the car.

@markseehawer3762 7 ай бұрын

@@David.42 As a mechanic that i why i drive old vehicles easier to repair cheaper parts

@SpodeboyGMAIL 7 ай бұрын

The cost of a ICE engine might be $3k for a Camry, but the labor to install it will be at least another $3-$5k depending on the local market

@crispyjokingtuna1495 7 ай бұрын

@@SpodeboyGMAIL it’s still cheaper than a battery every 1-3 years

@MrMaxyield 6 ай бұрын

When bro realized he should have bought an old school Toyota Camry...😂😂😂

@ce9916 5 ай бұрын

This man is so fair-minded, he could be a diplomat. Great guy

@thesadboxman 8 ай бұрын

This guy is so honorable. Most people would fully blame Tesla and maybe even righteously go Karen on them. But Dobson takes responsibility and is more than understanding of the whole situation.

@AudiTTQuattro2003 8 ай бұрын

True, but that Toyota is looking better and better now. Could easily go with 300k miles with just normal maintenance.

@michaelfagan9620 8 ай бұрын

@@AudiTTQuattro2003 I've owned 4 toyotas, 2 priuses, a camry, and a sienna, which all went over 200k, but none over 250k.

@williamcampbell435 8 ай бұрын

@@AudiTTQuattro2003 Yay and you will pay for oil changes, Air filters, brakes and repairs that you will not on a Tesla and it would be more then 9000$

@AndriasTravels 8 ай бұрын

Tesla provides Superchargers, yet you use them and they damage your battery. I don't get it, Tesla fans construct their own reality.

@fivestars9285 8 ай бұрын

@@AndriasTravels Tesla is in the business of making money however possible!

@gjc9801 8 ай бұрын

This guy is a first class human, what a great attitude!

@snookmeister55 8 ай бұрын

True. Most people would be very angry in his situation.

@davidmenasco5743 8 ай бұрын

You can certainly see why he is popular as a driver.

@crinabobo7412 8 ай бұрын

Musk should give him a cybertruck with lifetime battery warranty

@jez5855 6 ай бұрын

Its always admirable to hear a man take responsibility for his actions. But I find it interesting how people in general are so much more forgiving of Tesla for such issues that costs people so much money in repair bills. If a Toyota were to fail prematurely like this, I don't think people would take it as kindly.

@jaime21121 5 ай бұрын

You are right but it's all about marketing!

@tapasranjanpati9472 2 ай бұрын

Tesla is not a practical car yet. Its for dreamers who want experience Elon Musks work. But imagine if a battery replacement drops to 5k after few years. I dont think it would be a bad deal then.

@1001Hobbies 5 ай бұрын

A Camry engine will give you 300K to 400K miles if you take care of the engine. Could be even more. A friend of mine has a 2014 Ford Focus with 300K and it still runs like new. Whenever the Camry does need a new engine you are looking at about $3,000 - $4,000 with labor.

@aluisious 5 ай бұрын

I just bought a Camry hybrid because I'm planning to drive it for 15 years until EV tech is a lot more advanced and sorted out. It might need a $2-3k hybrid battery at 150k miles, which is fine because it saves a decent amount of gas, and the ride is also smoother than the gas only Camry (no transmission, seamless start-stop at lights). If people bought cars to do what they need instead of what some marketing bullshit tries to make them want, they'd buy compact and midsize Japanese sedans.

@hemiplow1297 5 ай бұрын

The lithium battery in the Camry will last 300k miles Guaranteed

@ymcpa73 5 ай бұрын

I would love to see what would happen to that focus if he put 300k miles over 3 years.

@hemiplow1297 5 ай бұрын

@@ymcpa73 he's gonna be in for head gasket issues and all kinds of surprises

@reuven2010 4 ай бұрын

a camry requires maintence every week in this scenario

@theclotshotdidit3115 7 ай бұрын

Imagine buying a petrol or diesel car and you can only use 80% of the fuel tank, and the fuel tank gets smaller each time you fill up 😂😂😂😂

@yeahyousaidit 7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@adriano8809 6 ай бұрын

And imagine to sit inside your car for hours at the gas station waiting for it to be “full”.

@stefanpuffer 6 ай бұрын

And you have to replace the engine every 100k miles.

@HomesickforAlaska 6 ай бұрын

My understanding is that it is not 80% but rather 60%. I believe the recommended charging regimen is only charge to 80% and don't discharge below 20%. That gives an EV with say a 250 mile potential battery range, an actual range of 150 miles if you want to preserve the battery.

@vincentlanzetta3807 6 ай бұрын

Great response!

@38Flyer 8 ай бұрын

Kim, kudos to you for being such a kind person. We sure need people like you in our society---especially now.

@HaydonRyan 6 ай бұрын

I learnt about batteries when I built an electric bike. Rapidly I discovered that cells go bad, in their string. There might be two dead cells but the rest are ok. If the pack isn’t able to swap the cells (for matched cells) then the whole lot is junked. This sudden death is exactly what happened for me. Two dying cells but the rest are ok. They need to be designed to be re-made vs just recycled.

@JacksonWalter735 5 ай бұрын

Agreed. If EVs are somehow going to be the future then these fixes need to be possible. So far the only companies I know that replaces dead cells for Teslas, Prius, or other EVs/hybrids are all in California and they’re swamped with customers.

@Spirited_Driver 5 ай бұрын

Agree! I dont understand why people are ignoring this fact of battery heartache.

@dujuanjohnson5025 3 ай бұрын

There are new lfp batteries that don’t do this. He has an old Tesla

@Spirited_Driver 3 ай бұрын

@@dujuanjohnson5025 Its the nature of lithium batteries from cars to phones.. Not just tesla but any battery, There were even new battery packs exploding in the factory before even getting shipped out to dealerships!

@kronos5385 6 ай бұрын

I was an Uber driver for a little over 5 years. I had a VW Jetta for the first 2 years getting an average of 25 MPG. I then bought a Toyota Prius (hybrid) and my MPG went up to 50 and my Uber income almost doubled. I never considered a total EV because in Uber you never know where you are going until the rider gets in the car. I would be so stressed out as to how much battery power I had left and you can't charge the battery with a rider in the car. I think a hybrid gas/EV is the best choice for any ride-share driver. My Prius was amazing but it got too old to qualify for Uber. In Connecticut, no ride-share vehicle can be over 12 years old. That's a state law.

@rRekko 5 ай бұрын

Is that state related? I know there are countries like mine, where your driver will know the general area you are going to and once they accept the trip they know the exact location.

@rogerwilco1777 5 ай бұрын

Same. I sold my 3rd gen Prius and got a Corolla Hybrid AWD.. they're 4k cheaper than the Prius now. They start around $24k (not counting dealer mark-up, i had to pay a $2,750 mark up back in Mar 2023 cause F-U thats why).. but whatever, I needed a car and dealers were trying to sell me 10yr old Kia's with 200k miles for like $13k, so I figured I'd just pay twice as much and get a brand new Toyota. So far its great. The AWD helped greatly in the snowstorms. And it looks just like a normal corolla.. so you dont have the anti-prius jerks constantly road raging you.

@fladave99 2 ай бұрын

I drive an electric bike and if I run low on battery I can pedal. Maybe Elon should put pedals in his cars to lessen range anxiety

@jeannovacco5136 Ай бұрын

That way whatever town you live in, in Connecticut, can charge a lot of personal property tax on the value of your less than 12 year old vehicle. Ps it would be just as bad if he was using this car for commuting over 80 miles a day each way to work and back taking long trips on weekends a few road trip cross country vacations

@kronos5385 Ай бұрын

I don't know if every state charges a yearly tax based on the value of your car but mine does (Ct). At least it goes down every year as your car devalues. The State's explanation for the 12 year rule is that they're looking out for the riders safety. But there's no such vehicle age limit if you just want to deliver food. I think Uber has corporate mandated 15 year allowance on the cars age but, of course, state laws vary and take precedence. This also makes it tough to find a decent vehicle in that age bracket for less than $15,000 to Uber in. I've taken a lot of Ubers as a passenger and most rides I get picked up in are pretty new and cost their owners well over $20,000.

@joecampo1770 8 ай бұрын

This guy is a class act all the way. Despite what has happened to him and his vehicle, he has a positive and optimistic spin on all of it. Kudos my friend you are a class act.🎉

@bikeman1x11 7 ай бұрын

shows how brainwashed clueless EV drivers are

@izoyt 7 ай бұрын

he just don't want to have beef with tesla and its layers (yet).

@elliotoliver8679 5 ай бұрын

He is deluded by his Telstra ‘family’

@albuslee4831 8 ай бұрын

His attitude is super positive and reasonable, considering everything this guy went through. Also, 120k miles in a year isn't uncommon to taxi drivers and Tesla will have to deal with this in proper manner if they're serious with operating a Robo Taxi Fleet.

@trevorberridge6079 8 ай бұрын

Tesla do not have an official million mile battery, but they do have taxi and limousine vehicles that have done over 900,000 miles. This is NOT a general issue with Teslas. At 120,000 miles per year he could expect to still get eight years of driving out of the Tesla with no battery issues. This is more likely to be a software issue and not the actual battery in most cases. No car has an unblemished record. But, having said that, the 122 year-old Waverly electric car is still running fine today. Yes that's One Hundred and Twenty-Two years. Not a typo.

@CJ-tc7xh 8 ай бұрын

@@trevorberridge6079You’re over exaggerating big time CAP bro if that’s the case they need to raise the warranty mileage

@trevorberridge6079 8 ай бұрын

@@CJ-tc7xh Not exaggerating. Just reporting facts.

@superzero4250 8 ай бұрын

@@trevorberridge6079 The encouraging part is that they are trying to develop a million mile battery to complement the motors that already can achieve that much… 🤔

@bobbyphila623 7 ай бұрын

@@trevorberridge6079 a bucking go fund me for this..uber gave him 4000 just in xtra cash

@thechuckdriver 6 ай бұрын

I’m a rideshare driver and passively shopping right now for a new vehicle. And I’m test driving the Tesla model Y next week. Thank you for this video. And that guy is awesome! He def handled that situation with Grace.

@davistolpulitz 6 ай бұрын

Can’t beat a VW Jetta

@zimissscameras 5 ай бұрын

@preludethomas1061 4 ай бұрын

What did you end up getting?

@dujuanjohnson5025 3 ай бұрын

Make sure you get a 2021+ with the better battery

@iamoutofideas13 7 ай бұрын

This is one of the most helpful videos I've watched on the internet in months. Thanks!

@jesuschristislord7754 7 ай бұрын

Cab companies use the Prius for a reason. They can put 270k miles on it easily.

@Area42Gaming 5 ай бұрын

that's because it's a Toyota not a tesla.

@scott4825 5 ай бұрын

Also, their battery packs can reasonably be repaired/refurbished, and even new ones are somewhat reasonable.

@Area42Gaming 5 ай бұрын

@scott4825 same with the new gmc batteries, it's such a simple process.

@Spirited_Driver 5 ай бұрын

@@scott4825 I mean, a new battery is still more than a complete engine rebuild..

@Spirited_Driver 5 ай бұрын

@@Area42Gaming simple yes, cost effective no.

@Johnwillbegone 8 ай бұрын

Dobson is an absolute prince of a man. It would be interesting to see the numbers on a highbrid Camry in the exact same situation.

@siamimam2109 8 ай бұрын

The battery inside those usually last 200K+ miles as long as it’s taken care of. Less strain on the battery because it only activates in low speed/idle

@Jimster481 7 ай бұрын

Hybrid camry do over 200K without an issue... sometimes 300k or more.

@gomahklawm4446 7 ай бұрын

Camrys last very long. Many rich people drive them. Money invested over time wins greatly over buying worthless women drinks in bars.

@mobisugershot 7 ай бұрын

@@Jimster481 yes thats because it's battery has less strain and the car is a hybrid, so it also uses an engine and not just a battery, compared to a tesla which uses a battery to power the motor. Just like siamimam2109 said above

@Jimster481 7 ай бұрын

@@mobisugershotyep, which is why it's important because the battery lasts 2-3x longer and costs 1/3 as much to replace.

@JPSMASHER80 5 ай бұрын

Dude’s a warrior. Instead of crying and making himself a victim, he sees the positive of his situation and moves on.

@joes2514 3 ай бұрын

Dobson is such a reasonable person. He's very well spoken. He makes good points and doesn't play the victim. Tesla would do well listening to and working with him.

@xroda_ 8 ай бұрын

Crazy how there’s older cars with high miles still running

@MarcioSantos-pp4os 7 ай бұрын

he didn't knew how to use the car, how to charge the car.

@robertkubrick3738 5 ай бұрын

@@MarcioSantos-pp4os SO, You can't just use it like the cheaper Camry he replaced it with? Tesla Fail!

@lorenzo42p 5 ай бұрын

the tesla was marketed as being able to use it as a 24/7 taxi and pay for itself. they lie constently.

@DJAJ101 24 күн бұрын

@@robertkubrick3738 welcome to trying to explain anything to delusional Tesla owners who will go to the end of the earth to make every excuse under the sun how Tesla's are better than ICE vehicles but their logic can only go so far till their bias stupidity kicks in.

@desmondstanley4372 8 ай бұрын

I’m only 13 minutes in right now as of this comment. Before the start and during the pandemic I started Uber in my M3 LR. My vehicle had around 3k miles when I started and when I completely stopped I was around 50k I believe. At the time I lived in an apartment so supercharging was all I had. I was charging twice a day as well. I purchased the vehicle in Dec 2019 and supercharged almost daily until I moved into a home and had the Tesla wall charger installed, this was in July 2021. Forward to 3 weeks ago, October 2023 I had racked up just under 115,000 miles. I’ve been all over the U.S. in my car and have done countless roadtrips after Uber and moving to my new home so I still supercharged a few times a month when on the road. I loved my M3 LR and had no big issues with it. Battery range went from 315 to 287 max and because I was coming up on the 120k warranty loss, I traded it in for a 2023 Model Y. I have no intentions of doing Uber again but roadtripping will definitely be a thing. I think this guy got mix of unlucky and over doing the battery cycles in such a short period.

@menace3115 6 ай бұрын

Really smart honest guy, good luck my man.

@user-zo4wp4lg8i 7 ай бұрын

My 2014 S is @ 300.000+ miles. One battery repair/regeneration ($4500 @260.000) and one motor rebuilt ($1300 preventive service). Still on 90%+ range. Aren't there any independent Tesla repair shops in your area??

@treborg777 8 ай бұрын

I believe it was all the supercharging that killed the battery. Look at Bjorn Nyland's older videos in which he was using a Model X in a business hauling stuff around Norway. He supercharged a lot and ended up with at least one battery replacement relatively early in the life of the vehicle (but at least one was under the original warranty). The heat from supercharging just kills the battery.

@darkhorse2reign 8 ай бұрын

Heat? In Norway?

@chillywilly7299 8 ай бұрын

I agree 100% supercharging kills the battery period. I have been riding e bikes 12 years I know.

@roshansamuel4494 8 ай бұрын

@@darkhorse2reignyes! There is that one week in July when the suns rises over the horizon.

@treborg777 8 ай бұрын

It’s the heat concentrated in the battery pack while supercharging. Tesla has tried to mitigate this, but ultimately frequent supercharging (especially the most recent high power versions) damages the first-generation lithium packs. We’ll have to see with LFP.

@V10PDTDI 8 ай бұрын

Bjorn had to replace the battery pack in his model S P85 but Tesla replaced it under warranty.

@sandyt4343 7 ай бұрын

The most reasonable man I’ve heard on the subject ever. What ever he does in life he will be a great success. Very eloquent and very articulate in his assessment of the situation.

@christianramo 6 ай бұрын

I'll be thinking to get a tesla 3 for uber and lyft but I always say that 300 miles range is not enough for ride shares, now after see this video my thoughts are confirmed, I'll wait for a least a 500 miles battery o a cheaper and affordable price.

@blipblop92 6 ай бұрын

Yep too bad he ubers he could do so much more

@sandyt4343 6 ай бұрын

@@christianramohe is still a person I would rather be around than a lot of people I know who are very good with money, and little else. Money is only a tool and certainly not the measure of a person’s worth. I have quite a few people in my life with vast wealth, more than they could ever spend, but I only admire the very few who have demonstrated that there is more to their lives than money and certainly more to their worth.

@m.singleton229 5 ай бұрын

I found that my mileage is dropping and then I got a notification that my 12 volt battery was not functioning properly. They changed it and my mileage. Went right back up and it was not expensive it was only a hundred dollars. It's a model 3 2021 with 68k miles on it.

@elliotoliver8679 5 ай бұрын

Yer as long as stays away from junk EV’s

@Ni5ei 6 ай бұрын

Tesla should give this man a new battery and thank him for the test results.

@PrinceAlberts 6 ай бұрын

Something I’m surprised wasn’t brought up more in the video is supercharging vs regular charging or home charging. Supercharging is very hard on the battery. Regular charging doesn’t heat the battery as much and it doesn’t cause as much wear. The same goes for charging past about 80%.

@vincentlanzetta3807 6 ай бұрын

Very true

@johnarcher4189 6 ай бұрын

Well stated!! True that.

@howardkeil1526 5 ай бұрын

I would think it would use substantially more electricity to charge also due to losses in heat and the fact that it's got to be cooled while heating.

@BornAgainCarnivore 5 ай бұрын

Yeah heat lessens the battery's life span.. On a side note, talking about heat.. the EV are not a good idea to have in super hot temperatures or really cold temperatures.

@PrinceAlberts 5 ай бұрын

@@BornAgainCarnivore Indeed, there are a lot of people not enjoying that EV life as much this winter. They’re still okay so long as they aren’t driving too far, but nobody is taking their Tesla cross-country in Canada right now.

@tmorcos21 8 ай бұрын

I have been an Uber driver for over 9 years and an EV driver for over 4 years. I currently own a 2023 Bolt EUV for Uber, my wife has a 2022 model 3 long range ai just sold my 2021 MYP for a brand new 2023 Model S long range. This is my 3rd Bolt EV/EUV as I average 5000 miles per month here in Southern California and make between 90 and 100000 per year. I change my Bolt every 2 years and 120000 miles as a business expense. If you make 180000 in 2 years and replace a car worth 30000, that means you made 150000 in profit. You didn't mention that if you drove your camry 100000 miles in 1 year, how much that would of cost you in gas, oil changes, brake pads, transmission maintenance, etc. You are still ahead for 9000 dollars. Ask your accountant if that 9000 is a write-off? If you make a good income with your corporate account, get a long range model y for comfort and use the older model 3 for the rest of your rides. I think for most ride share drivers, a 30000 dollar Bolt that gives you 300 miles on a full charge is perfect. Hope this is helpful. Part of doing business my friend. Kim is very right about continuously supercharging your vehicle, leading to faster degradation. A long range also gives you 8 years 120000 miles warranty on the battery and with the S and X it's 8 years and 150000 miles warranty.

@Henry-by6fj 8 ай бұрын

Another thing you should get a new Tesla and get all the perks 7,500 tax credit makes it cheaper than most cars and can't even compare the car to others . Second no sales taxes and state discounts. No brainer get a new one and sell the old one . Get LFP 2023 or 2024

@JifferRiffic 8 ай бұрын

You wrote a book. I solf my gas car because I didn't want to change the oil. Im about to sell my tesla cause my windshield washer fluid is getting low and I'm unsure how to change it. We need to make these cars more simple. ;-) lol

@henrikleong1234 8 ай бұрын

Get the BYD. The battery is much cheaper. 😂😂😂

@robertkubrick3738 5 ай бұрын

Long range are Lithium Ion.

@robertkubrick3738 5 ай бұрын

@@Henry-by6fj LFP don't qualify for the tax credit, I heard. Not enough NA content. NA content goes up 10% every year for the tax credit.

@daviddipasquale5479 8 ай бұрын

Your friend is such a reasonable gentleman, offering valuable information. If I worked at Tesla, I would recommend a company fund for research, and take cases like this a very frequent use of superchargers and miles

@slivkask8329 2 күн бұрын

Dear Kim Java and Dobson. Thank you very much for your honesty and integrity. It is very rare in the online world. You both have my respect!.👍

@cyumadbrosummit3534 6 ай бұрын

The intense heat from supercharging mostly occurs in the bottom half of the charge curve when (depending on the model) it's accepting 200-250 kWh. The last 25% is ramped all the way down to 25kWh.

@michaelbatchelder 8 ай бұрын

Very nice video. I charge mine to only 80% (with only 4 exceptions) and had mine since 2020. But this guy has put it to the extreme test.

@johnlittle8267 8 ай бұрын

I think he should have used the Uber program and leased a brand new Tesla and I don't think there is a long term commitment. He could just turn that one in after six months or even one month, and get another one. I would love to have Dobson as my driver, he is so good at communicating, wow. Great video and content!

@LeverPhile 7 ай бұрын

Don't leases typically have mileage limits?

@mihaistefangrosariu6421 5 ай бұрын

it is so pleasing watching these ev range videos, from my 10yo diesel passat with 1100 km range on a full tank.....

@TheAndreasMustola 5 ай бұрын

A quick look at how lithium ion batteries degrade after a number of cycles, the curve in the graphs goes down very slowly at first. But then when it hits a certain number of cycles it goes down fast. Like an incubation period when everything seems to be going smoothly until the disease breaks out and everything goes downhill fast. So the degradation is not linear.

@ianpobanz12 8 ай бұрын

He should try LFP module 3 and see how that goes

@marcusbiller867 8 ай бұрын

LFPs also degrade

@FutureSystem738 8 ай бұрын

@@marcusbiller867Not nearly as much, and they’re good for far more cycles.

@diytesla 8 ай бұрын

@@marcusbiller867LFPs degrade much less, few we had with 25-35k miles still charge to 270+ miles at 100%.

@davidpearn5925 8 ай бұрын

LFP has a better reputation for mild warm weather use …..safer @100% and more durable. I wouldn’t consider anything that doesn’t have the same qualities.

@dzone67 8 ай бұрын

For what it’s worth…Bought LFP Model 3 4 months ago and car charges to 268 miles at 100%…

@phenry5083 7 ай бұрын

The Camry is so much more well defined, better built, more reliable, and has higher resell.

@user-cb1wh5wn6f 6 ай бұрын

In a lot of places supercharging is more expensive than a tank of gas.😂

@outcast6187 5 ай бұрын

The main problem is NOTHING is more damaging than super-charging. Charge at home and charge it slowly, if you want the battery to last.. Supercharging is kind of shocking that it is allowed.

@tomn.9987 5 ай бұрын

@@outcast6187 That is not really true. What damages the battery is heat that comes with charging fast. But EVs have battery conditioning, it keeps the battery pretty much at a set temperature so supercharging does not do any meaningful damage. There are real issues, supercharging is not one of them.

@russmartin4189 3 ай бұрын

Really!

@Shantanano Ай бұрын

You can precondition the battery before you arrive at The Charging Station. It actually gets it ready for the Fast Charger.

@MQT- 7 ай бұрын

The time it took to find a charging station and waiting.... did he calculate the $ loss there ?

@rustyshackleford00 8 ай бұрын

Perfect timing! I was recently curious how Dobson’s Tesla test, was going. This video answers all the questions I’ve had for years. Has definitely helped with making a decision about a Tesla. Thank you both so much.

@owar74 8 ай бұрын

Remember it was with the old batteries on Tesla model 3 the new ones Tesla said are for 1 million miles

@Goodhello369 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate this honesty. This is what we all need. Both of you are completely admirable.

@Radioheadfan143 4 ай бұрын

It's hard not to like this guy. Great additide. Very positive. Very personable.

@crabbcake 6 ай бұрын

Good vid ! best vid on range I've seen.

@coop333000333 8 ай бұрын

$9k for a new battery doesn't sound too bad. A friend of mine just had his diesel engine on his F-250 fail at 130k miles and got quoted over $20k for replacement.

@XX-166 8 ай бұрын

Not even close in comparison

@V10PDTDI 8 ай бұрын

He said that it was not a new battery he thinks it a refurbish. with one year warranty unlike the chevy bolt recall they give the customer a new and better battery and complete new battery warranty just like a new car.

@XX-166 8 ай бұрын

@@V10PDTDI absolutely the bolt wins with less cost and a better warranty and fit and finish.

@nicholasmuni7995 8 ай бұрын

I'm glad you threw in fit and finish of the Bolt, a friends two year old Bolt with 20,000 mis. has no paint chips, a small ding in the front from a rock that did not chip the paint.

@safeandeffectivelol 8 ай бұрын

@@V10PDTDI Too bad the Bolt has been discontinued. Good luck getting maintenance and repairs done going forward

@yichaohan6317 7 ай бұрын

Wow, a refurbished battery with 60% capacity for $9000 and only one year warranty.

@phillipsnell6880 2 ай бұрын

I watch another guy on KZfaq that drives as an app driver and he saves so much towards a new battery out of his profits as he can only supercharge. He thought ahead knowing he would have to replace it.

@charlesm.9858 4 ай бұрын

So we ordered a model Y performance and I was going to use it sometimes for a rideshare but after watching this video, but I’m gonna start doing is putting money aside to save so when it comes time that I need a new battery I’ll have the money and I’ll tell him go ahead and do itthank you so much !

@willieguapo 8 ай бұрын

Now I get Tesla's business plan. Save $16K in fuel over 100K miles. So you can buy a new $16K dollar battery. Excellent thinking Elon.

@AndriasTravels 7 ай бұрын

Elon did not think of that. Like everything else, he just fell into a pile of sh and came out like a rose. That is ending though, and soon.

@TheDiervek 7 ай бұрын

@@AndriasTravels LOL no it's not. After all I have witnessed in 4 short decades on this planet I'm 99% convinced "there is no spoon"

@j81851 7 ай бұрын

And a totally un-explored or researched issue is what is the danger of critical failure or run away as the battery deteriorates over time? And incidentally what is this revelation of 100K battery life? that is NOTHING!!

@randomtrendz 7 ай бұрын

There is no win win situation either pay beginning or pay on the end

@AndriasTravels 7 ай бұрын

@@TheDiervek No one knows for sure. But after my decades I think Musk will soon be history, he digs himself in deeper almost every day. What did you mean "there is no spoon?"

@vec306 8 ай бұрын

I do Uber and drive about 150 miles a day 3 days a week so with personal use a total of 500 miles a week. I’ve noticed a slight drop in mileage. I only charge 80% and I only home charge at home.

@snookmeister55 8 ай бұрын

Your experience supports the theory that supercharging was the cause of his problem. I think it was either supercharging or a defect. He was really unlucky.

@cousinjohncarstuff4568 8 ай бұрын

@@snookmeister55 Charging up to 90 or 95% instead of 80% which is supposed to best?

@snookmeister55 8 ай бұрын

@@cousinjohncarstuff4568 Home charging, 85% with nickel battery is the recommendation I've read. I don't own a Tesla, yet.

@safeandeffectivelol 8 ай бұрын

Home charge at home? Where else would you home charge?

@snookmeister55 8 ай бұрын

@@safeandeffectivelol Not everyone is a homeowner.

@jairusfojas8788 Ай бұрын

He said he drove 128000 miles in 1 year. that means he's driving 10000 miles a month 😅. That's 20k worth of gas savings.

@ryanevans2655 2 ай бұрын

Charging 0-90 or 100% three times a day is WILD

@keithrupp1 8 ай бұрын

First, I admire Dobson's attitude about this unforeseen $9k expense! I have a 2012 Model S P85 and a 2014 Model S 85, both right around 105k miles. I Supercharge maybe 5% of the time, but I do live in Phoenix, AZ so it is "hot" a large chunk of the year. I usually recharge to 80% at my solar paneled home. My 2014 "Drive Unit Rear" died under warranty, however, it had the side-effect of reducing my max range from 232 to 214. Tesla said I had to "retrain" my battery to get back my range, but after following their recommendations I never did get the range back. My 2012 still gets to about 220 max. I know my Model S battery chemistries are probably different than his Model 3, but I agree with many here it's not the heat and probably not Supercharging, but the number of charge cycles you put the battery through. Eventually we will know the truth, and I'm hoping I don't need a new battery until prices fall as dramatically as Tesla's new car MSRP's have!

@Jimster481 7 ай бұрын

The price of batteries will only go up. There is not enough Lithium on the whole planet to make even 40% of the cars they want to make as EV's. Therefore its likely that car prices will start at 50k for small battery cars and midpriced cars will be 100k with high end models being 150-200k. This is the "EV Future" that so many were exited to see. 200k for normal vehicles.

@OhSoddit 7 ай бұрын

@@Jimster481It's all Klaus Schwab's wet dream. We will own nothing and he'll be happy.

@Pilostudio 7 ай бұрын

@@Jimster481 I am not paying 100K for a car unless i'm making at least 400k/yr. I'll keep rigging ICE engines until i die

@duramaxadventures5832 7 ай бұрын

@@Jimster481plenty of lithium. A insane amount.

@terranhealer 7 ай бұрын

@@duramaxadventures5832 just like there is plenty of oil in US shale. It just requires fracking to get it. Lithium mining is a very dirty business 😮

@Saculmit 8 ай бұрын

I've seen a few rideshare KZfaqrs mention that they take some of the money they're saving over using an ICE vehicle and put it into a battery replacement savings.

@robertkubrick3738 5 ай бұрын

Good plan. What do they do about the DEPRECIATION?

@cybergigafactory 6 ай бұрын

Would love if he could do the same test with one of these LFP Packs. Maybe these could handle it better to be charged so often. Great video though.

@s.i.m.c.a 6 ай бұрын

LFP is better than NMC, sure. But i would consider EV only, when they would come with Lithium Titanate(LT) battery pack

@Richardson_Mg 4 ай бұрын

I was one week away from getting that car for ride share!!! I’ll go hybrid! Awesome content

@mkusa421 8 ай бұрын

I’m not a ride-share driver. My 2019 Model 3 Long Range has 167,000 miles and I charge batteries to 85% at home 95% of the time, no supercharger. I barely see any degradation and the car drives like new. Maybe that’s the difference? Charging at home! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Great Video guys! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@linusa2996 8 ай бұрын

In his case he's not going to be able the go home and charge it twice a day between 9am and 8 pm

@spacecadet1249 8 ай бұрын

Yes, maybe if Dobson wasn't such a workaholic, and limited himself to one normal charge, daily at home, then when the battery was low, go home for the day, plug in to his wall-charger and chill for the rest of the day. Superchargers are killing his battery.

@linusa2996 8 ай бұрын

@@spacecadet1249 300 miles/day is not a workaholic in the taxi/delivery game. I drove 250 to 350/day 5-6 days a week

@Galileo9.81 8 ай бұрын

I agree. Home charge also, 2021 M3 LR AB, 63K miles, it was around 353 miles of range at max, but now 345 miles. Still runs fine with no strange noise or lacking performance. Now, I am sorry you ran into this situation, and thank you for bringing this issue to public. However, running high mileage within a very short amount of time can also degrade any ICE also. Plus, Tesla is dominating in EVs, but it's competing with other ICEs,too. So, I wouldn't call this a monopoly. Do you know how many unsatisfied customer cases are pending towards ICEs? This doesn't just apply to Tesla only. Just practice a smart buying with smart planning. I know EVs are pretty new, but I still believe that EVs have more advantages than ICEs as long as you know how to plan before something catastrophic things happen. My recent lead acid 12v battery replacement was one of them. Nothing is permanent nor perfect in this world. Good luck.

@davidmenasco5743 8 ай бұрын

@@spacecadet1249It's not just supercharging. Dobson's case is a very distinct scenario. He was driving 200+ miles, then supercharging to 90% and driving another 200+ miles and then supercharging to 90% again and then driving another 200 miles. Much of this during the warm afternoon / evening hours. His battery was almost certainly reaching and staying at temperatures that are higher than usual. What would be needed for this application would be an upgraded cooling system on the car. This would likely solve the problem completely. But I'm not sure if it could be done without either raising the price for all drivers, or a specialized version of the car for ride share. Unfortunately, I'm guessing that neither of these paths will be appealing to Tesla. But perhaps they will find a way. Solving problems is something they're pretty good at.

@gjc9801 8 ай бұрын

Tesla should come out with an extended warranty for commercial use maybe $100.00 bucks a month for total coverage of battery

@JacanaProductions 6 ай бұрын

How can fast charging at a Tesla supercharger be that much cheaper than gas, sure at home at 12c / kWh but Tesla charger 30c right?

@lorenzo42p 5 ай бұрын

it's not cheaper, it's lies. I remember a time they claimed charging would be free.

@JamrockNoble 2 ай бұрын

It is cheaper. Roughly around 55 percent of filling a tank of gas. I recently traded in my mazda3 turbo for a model y. I did buy premium gas to get the additional horse power that the engine is tuned for with premium but to fill my tank it was roughly 50 dollars. To super charge to 80 percent from 5% is 22 dollars and change. For context I live in MA

@TimRHillard 3 ай бұрын

Most semi truck OTR drivers log at least 100,000 miles per year. Teams can hit 300,000.

@efanchien 8 ай бұрын

LFP pack seems more suitable for this use case than the NCM pack in his 2019 M3. Would be interesting to see if his next car has LFP pack to give it a real world test.

@Teslacustoms 8 ай бұрын

Yeah u can’t charge to 100 percent without LFP pack , sucks many tesla owners don’t know this. Also supercharging to 100 percent everyday also is very bad. I started fixing Hi Voltage tesla repairs recently and have learned quite a bit just how damaging it can be.

@marcusbiller867 8 ай бұрын

@@Teslacustoms you "can't" charge to 100% an LFP either, both will degrade - first long term results in Europe show a very slightly less degraded LFPs at the same age and mileage. Tesla needs the 100% charge to control the BMS - it is bad for the battery regardless

@FutureSystem738 8 ай бұрын

@@marcusbiller867Wrong. LFP NEEDS regular full charge, and LFP is good for far more cycles. I have a friend who’s a Uber driver with LFP in his Model 3, 250k so far and the degradation is minimal.

@danielsevilla5216 8 ай бұрын

@@FutureSystem738your friend should make a video. He is driving the more than this guy.

@kris8263 8 ай бұрын

@@FutureSystem738 250k km or miles?

@darrelsmith5929 8 ай бұрын

This bro is so positive even when something like this happen to him. If everyone use to think like that this World will be a better place, I enjoyed it stay positive 🇹🇹

@user-rk1mx5wz5k 6 ай бұрын

i need a boat anchor when your ready to sell! batteries are not ready yet..they are getting better but till then ill keep my gmc

@johnwinter9722 6 ай бұрын

Great content. Learning a lot. I have had an EV and a PHEV. I live in southern MN. Cold weather is not a friend of EVs, although they are popular in the Twin Cities and my area, Rochester. Driven a Tesla Model 3. So nice! However, I need a pickup so am leaning into the Silverado EV, but cold weather and charging infrastructure are continuing challenges.

@macharlem 8 ай бұрын

I contributed to the go fund because as a TSLA shareholder I am Tesla. Thanks for being a test case. If the go fund covers the cost please drive the model 3 all the time and keep testing the situation. Pretty sure your hard work will always payoff. Think of the pollution that you are saving us all from. Hard work always pays. We can do it, Ellon doesn’t have to do everything. We got this , keep pushing 🙏

@leaphardotnet 8 ай бұрын

Are you masochistic?

@AhmetMurati 8 ай бұрын

I have been investing in TSLA too

@juliocvelez1 7 ай бұрын

Gonna have to go back in that Camry 😂

@111mbailey 5 ай бұрын

Yep

@lorenzodavolio5341 Ай бұрын

Why did I hear exactly the opposite experience from another taxi driver? In California we have 100.000 of these cars and they work like a dream…

@sp276 2 ай бұрын

Regardless whether you agree to help him or not he is a very decent person, I like him!

@Khanfuzed1 7 ай бұрын

I remember these being sold as 24/7 taxis and it cant even handle two charges a day?

@lorenzo42p 5 ай бұрын

"welcome to the family, give us more money. btw we lie."

@i_run_far1132 7 ай бұрын

I feel bad for him but unfortunately a lot of people made this mistake.

@carlmorgan8452 7 ай бұрын

Smart people learn from others mistakes

@socialhostage8534 7 ай бұрын

It's kind of the risk you take adopting new technology. But those are expensive risks for cars. But Tesla also charges crazy money for just fixing up his battery a bit. I assume by the story. Apple uses the same tactics...

@elprzemo666 7 ай бұрын

Mistake? 😂 He just want next tesla. Owning tesla is more important than having profitable work. He work for tesla, he live for tesla heil Musk! 😂

@gormenfreeman499 7 ай бұрын

In the broader sense, the mistake is called capital misallocation. Which eventually hurts the economy with malinvestment.

@taylorsopko5807 7 ай бұрын

@@gormenfreeman499no car is an investment they depreciate. Ill keep my 84 datsun, its runs eternally.

@user-ml6lz2kg5w 5 ай бұрын

I love that the caveat is that if he were to do it again he would only use it for corporate clients concerned about the status symbol it represents. This statement speaks volumes.

@kingjames924 7 ай бұрын

I wonder if Tesla's deal with Hertz and Uber is really a super-experiment in battery longevity? They can gather enough data from drivers to find out how long these vehicles can last under various conditions in the shortest amount of time.

@TroySavary 6 ай бұрын

Probably why Hertz has massively scaled back their Tesla purchase.

@hotshot8365 6 ай бұрын

Looks like Hertz is dumping 20,000 EVs from its fleet, so I guess the outcome from that trial was not good.

@TroySavary 6 ай бұрын

@@hotshot8365 Their mistake was so heavily skewing their EV purchases toward Teslas, which have well known reliability problems. Hertz said they were losing money on Tesla cars due to high repair costs, and frequent downtime. Then they were hit by the massive depreciation when they sold.

@detraed8962 3 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking. Cause I am thinking if they are using them for robotaxi fleets they have to have better batteries.

@dpcdvrdve 7 ай бұрын

Batteries usually prefer slower charging and discharging. So drag races and super charging at highest rate/250kv will certainly degrade it way faster.

@KevinJohnson-er9xt Сағат бұрын

Tesla has NO resale value! …the money you saved on Gas and Maintenance and Incentives is now poured in buying a new battery

@iunnor 6 ай бұрын

What about his tires? Don’t they only last around 30k miles? How many sets did he purchase?

@thom1218 7 ай бұрын

I hope Dobson goes and buys a nice camry with his go fund me - he won't regret it.

@s.i.m.c.a 6 ай бұрын

for the money he spend on tesla -he could get any PHEV/MHEV

@elliotoliver8679 5 ай бұрын

Interesting to know how many miles can get from ICE car - a LOT more than a lousy 100k!

@XxMusclecarsxX 5 ай бұрын

prius is king

@ianstorm45 8 ай бұрын

This video means whole lot to me because I was actually in the market for a new car and was about to switch to electric but after watching this video it have me to think twice” I put 82miles per day x5, this comes out to 21,320 miles per year x5 it’s 106,600 miles 😢 so basically in 5 to 6 years I would need Faulk up over 10k$ to replace the battery.

@geraldh.8047 8 ай бұрын

Charge slow, live long (and prosper).

@bluecollarbeat3156 7 ай бұрын

Does someone have real world data comparing life expectancy of remanufactured batteries and new batteries?

@geraldh.8047 7 ай бұрын

@@bluecollarbeat3156 there is no fixed definition of what "remanufactured" would mean so there is nothing solid you could actually compare.

@w5glw5gl 7 ай бұрын

You have a very different situation. You can put 100 miles in your car overnight at home.

@Boom38119 7 ай бұрын

By that time the cost will be a third of what it is now.

@brennan353 2 ай бұрын

Great podcast. I'm so glad I came across it. I am a strong believer in EV's and Tesla in particular but I am sick and tired of those who can only see the positive aspects. I like to get into things eyes wide open. I just got my Model 3 for personal use and the more I drive it, the more I like it. Still, this is invaluable information, and we need more people we can reason with, like this Uber driver.

@danny.b 2 ай бұрын

Enough talking - take that girl home 😂😂

@wytreeey3645 7 ай бұрын

I learnt my lesson about the lifespan of these batteries with my expensive battery powered lawn mower. My personal experience changed my mind about considering purchasing an EV. My other big concern is data privacy with these modern cars.

@wytreeey3645 7 ай бұрын

*modern cars in general, not just EVs

@Corleone_Napoleone 7 ай бұрын

I learned my lesson just by owning a I Phone.😂😂😂😂 Didn’t even go as far as a lawnmower. Perhaps you could have purchased Ryobi drill. Cheaper way to learn. Electric cars simply won’t work.

@dudend22 6 ай бұрын

smart = surveillance monitoring Analysis & reporting Technology

@dudend22 6 ай бұрын

they want insurance companies monitoring how many passengers go in your car, how safe you drive, miles you drive and adjust your insurance prices in real time

@dudend22 6 ай бұрын

thats why the gov is pushing electric vehicles so hard, tesla has recorded people in the cars doing all kinds of things even having relations

@bearcubdaycare 8 ай бұрын

Fear of the battery needing replacement is a thing; multiple people have expressed this to me. It would be worthwhile for Tesla to offer a good solution for this, like an optional extended 200,000 mile warranty, or such.

@trevorberridge6079 8 ай бұрын

People fear ghost, goblins and ghouls. Fear is not fact. Batteries will usually outlive the car by some considerable time. Tesla batteries in particular have a stellar reputation and they have now moved to even more stable and long lived chemistries in their new batteries. This seems to be a software issue. Anyone who has spent five seconds on any computer based device knows that software issues are "a thing". A real thing. Teslas update when you're asleep and major issues can be resolved without anyone having to make physical contact with the car or even have it leave your driveway. Sometimes they have to be hands on. It's not the end of the world.

@mfr5725 8 ай бұрын

I'd spend $3,000 for a warranty if it got me to 200,000 miles with less than 70% degradation before replacement to guarantee I don't have to spend $10,000 to replace one myself.

@bdjm8595 8 ай бұрын

Agreed, whenever I talk about the possibility of EV ownership everyone is afraid they might have to replace the batter down the road!

@brittanylevinson741 8 ай бұрын

I’d gladly pay $9k more up front and finance it with the car to have one battery replacement included for the life of the car. This would offset the massive burden of a sudden balloon $9k payment that is not optional.

@foam27 8 ай бұрын

Or just raise the price $3k and give the cars a factory 200k warranty.@@mfr5725

@Reddylion 7 ай бұрын

This guy in red tesla back, nice.

@FlexWheeler2nd 6 ай бұрын

Great experiment - very educational. If I'm going to be an Uber driver, I'd buy a Camry. Sure, I'll spend more on gas now, but long-term life of the car will outlast the Tesla battery and how much I'll pay for a replacement. The tech is so new still. I don't live in Cali so I'll stick with ICE for as long as I can till the tech gets much, much better and hopefully costs go down.

@mrdsn189 8 ай бұрын

Thank you Kim, such an important topic! Everyone let’s help Dobson! 🙏🏽

@LifeHack2012 7 ай бұрын

My neighbour has 310.000km (192.000 miles) on his 2019 Model 3 but he's always charging at home with the occasional supercharge on long trips. Range is still fine, so I guess slow charging really is the "secret".

@Jessticks2319 6 ай бұрын

Yes and possibly constant usage is the issue … so much usage daily maybe generating hot spots in the battery causing damage… where someone driving 30-50 miles a trip and then allowing the battery to cool would not see this damage occur. Where he is driving 200-300 miles without much stopping and cooling of the battery . Just a theory

@sllvll0k318 6 ай бұрын

It is only a matter of time til sudden death.

@PoorMansInvesting 6 ай бұрын

I've seen some gas cars rated for less than 200K make it to 300K. There's always anomalies, best to stick with averages.

@Camnio1 6 ай бұрын

Do u know for a fact that its the same battery? They put different batteries into different models (SR/LR/Performance) & MY's.

@tjhessmon4327 5 ай бұрын

I’m always leery about proclamations made using “My Neighbor or My Friend”. I think My neighbor said he has 1,999,000 miles on his Tesla, and he frequently flies it to the moon and back on a single charge. I mean if your going for grandiose, go big..

@omstout 7 ай бұрын

Drives the hell out of the car; complains that the car is wearing out...

@robertkubrick3738 5 ай бұрын

100k miles is not a lot of miles on a quality car. The Camry could do that with a smile.

@roycewells5071 Ай бұрын

Bro driving the heck out of the car duh it’s falling apart lol 😂

@jimparr01Utube 8 ай бұрын

Great attitude! I hope both Dobson and Tesla work through the issue and determine how it happened that way.

@rpelleti 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, Kim Java, for making such interesting and informative videos on Teslas and related topics. I really enjoy watching your videos.

@ItsKimJava 8 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you so much for the kind words and the generosity! Means a lot!

@user-cs7he5zb9i 6 ай бұрын

I’m a construction worker and use lithium ion batteries in my tools all the time I know this is not a comparison to your car but what you’re saying about your car is exactly what happens in your tool batteries it’ll work about half of what it usually is and then you’ll go to charge it again and it’s over with it’s how those batteries work

@armouredtrend7404 5 ай бұрын

You can get a bit more time out out of that battery by attaching another charged battery to the battery for a small amount of time (to get it to a voltage that the charger will then charge the old battery, as the charger does not charge if the battery voltage drops below a certain voltage

@YR2050 6 ай бұрын

Well it was a 2019 battery, a lot of improvement and different tech have added to the battery since then.

@jacksonbangs6603 8 ай бұрын

This guy is a pioneer in the electric vehicle car share industry. His knowledge and experience is very valuable for the future of electric vehicles.

@xraylife 8 ай бұрын

Memo: EV's have no future - its the 4th time they've failed in the market.

@jacksonbangs6603 8 ай бұрын

Please list your REAL sources of information to back up your claim that electric vehicles won't last! Your source again has to be from a real and unbiased source!

@TechScottBrown 7 ай бұрын

One item I'd like to surface is that a lot of folks I chat with at a Tesla Supercharger are NOT navigating to the supercharger through the on-board nav system. What happens in this case is that there is no thermal battery preconditioning taking place prior to charging.

@michaelandrew83 7 ай бұрын

That just makes it longer to heat up the computer will take care of that preconditioning just saves your time

@dk-bw4gk 4 ай бұрын

Tesla was PERFECTLY prepared for rideshare. They got themselves out of giving you a free battery.

@miroslavstevic2036 6 ай бұрын

Baterry is a battery, just like smart phone. In the beginning its fine, then every day is weaker and weaker. Rapid charging/discharging will take a toll on most baterries. Gas car don't degrade. You can literally pull out a 1970 era car from a scrapyard, fix it and it will drive long distance. Gas car will never betray you on the road like EV.