That new girl ended up taking him golfing.

​@@ereyes6718 she had a nasty swing ngl 💀

​@@808hearmannxea2 Swings like Derek Jeter, stabs like a Londoner

@@ereyes6718 Joel only got caught cause he let his guard down because of situations like this

​@@Daiwasthere Joel was a dumbass in part 2. Also, it is so crazy out of character for him to even have saved Abby in the first place. Shit script.

Bro come on I just got over that fuuccckkk

One hour?! That happens the next *day,* not an hour

@@ZenMonkeyGod Yeah I didn’t play the damn game maybe because I don’t wanna pay 70 dollars to watch the girl who murdered my favorite character survive.

​​@@The-real-negansaying that when your username and pfp idolize a guy who killed a more beloved zombie apocalyptic character than even Joel is hilarious RIP Glenn

@@willisstillhere8846 Well the only difference is I didn’t give a shit for Glenn, and well negan made up for it instead of attempting to justify it, don’t compare negan to some lesbian teenager.

I thought the same thing 😭

YESSS😭😭

Yeah right after he walked out, she realized what she said to him

Thats not the last time they talk each other…

If it wasn’t for this moment Ellie wouldn’t have visited Joel at his house later that night and agreed to make amends

Yes the big lie was bad but she totally took it to another extreme level. Like I wish joel could have been like so you're mad at me because I saved you? She's like well maybe you could have just. Let me die because my life would have meant something that's like terrible. But literally yes that's what Ellie would want. But what are the chances that a cure could have been even been made?

It's deeper than that lol

@@SortofUnpleasant I know the story, but in this instance, she was just looking for something to aim at him with

​@@Andy-rf8rryes, that's why the whole game happened. Her genocidal spree wasn't just because Abby killed him, but more fueled by regret from moments like these. She realized that she acted like a child, which really ignited her bloodlust.

@@FSUSean2112She was mad, she isn’t hurting him lmao.

Aw no 😭

Omg I read that wrong at first 😅

Maybe he shouldn't have stolen her choice from her and then lied about it for years after. But I guess that's what dads do for their baby girls?

​@TheCelestialFox I'm a mom but after losing everything Joel had lost and her talking about what she wanted to do after (she didn't know they were gonna kill her at the time) I'd of made the exact same choice Joel did regardless of whether she hated me for it or not

@@Kasha0211 As you are a mom, I'm sure you haven't played either game. Ellie always knew she was going to die. She wanted to and said her life would've mattered if it did. Of course the show retcons this among countless other things to really sell you that Joel/Ellie relationship, which includes the ending of the game that was changed so egregiously it negates there even being a part II game, let alone a show to build off of it. I do not acknowledge the show. To address your actual comment: Then congrats, you're equally as terrible of a person. I'm glad that you think a kid you barely started caring for (shown by you robbing them of their decision to die for the cure, then lying about it for years after, all after telling them they weren't your kid and you sure as hell ain't their parent after they poured their heart out about not wanting you to abandon them on the journey) 6-8 months after meeting is more important than actual mother/daughter relationships that should be saved. Especially when your daughter would hate you just the same. I hope you say the same thing when you take a golf club to the brain for making such a poor decision that killed an innocent man, taking him from his daughter, who then rightfully gets revenge on you.

Seth: What about them? Me: Don't u worry about them. Worry about your own life pal 😂

Ellie AND Joel ready to kill him. I'm good off that smoke.

Didn't even realize it

The Old reaper appears i wouldnt risk it

I'm pretty sure Seth experienced shit to. So yeah I wouldn't underestimate him.

He has no idea. Joel could've smashed his skull. I bet Tommy warned Seth about Joel after that lol

The last of us 3 commencera par Tommy et J.J qui tue Abby et Lev

​@@mauretanien948 Lev did nothing wrong lol 😭😭

​@@mauretanien948What did Lev do to you 💀

Weak libs making their intentions and disgust of properly honorable men is the funniest thing to happen to Muricans this Century.

Because Niel Cuckman hates Joel...

The only hate he got was from Abby. Deep down, Ellie still loved him. It was just complicated.

I think Ellie was just lashing out because of the firefly thing, not cause she was actually angry with him. And story-wise it gives her a lot of guilt that helps explain why she becomes so hardcore about getting revenge for him.

@@emperorweskatine8999lol no Ellie was just a dick in this game and a wuss couldn’t even avenge Joel

I mean she still mad that joel took her choice and still basically doomed the world

@@ForceInEvHorizonshe didn’t have a choice

@@ForceInEvHorizon i think they wouldn’t make a vaccine rightaway. I can’t imagine how they could in those conditions with only one person and one subject. To me it sounds tough. Anyways. They should get volunteer moms to get pregnant and get bitten during birth and produce more immune people 😂

Ellie wasn't given a choice

That is the point

Have you played the game? Last scene Ellie said she will work on forgiving Joel. That’s why when Joel died, she was full of guilt and wanted mad revenge.

Idont palyed the game but if dina caused that then it dont count. She shouldve done it herself without anyone telling her to do so.​@@6.2Slomaro

So did Joel

​@@braydenchadwick9836 what?

​@@braydenchadwick9836 what? Nah Ellie wasn't doing shit to that old man, she can barely fight

Nah not really. Ellie was only effective with her knife or stealth

@@parzival2077 bro huh? Ellie would smoke the shit out of him

Bitter tears

I feel u same here

they did him so dirty so i understand

Seth was about to meet Jerry in the afterlife lol

​@@Luke-vf6qc The last of us 3 commencera par Tommy et J.J qui tue Lev et Abby

I guess people doesn't know joel was a literal reaper

Joel would have fucked him up

​@@mauretanien948I'd play that lol

You spelt it wrong IDIOT HAHA SO CRINGEEE💀💀💀

Bro I'm surprised they made her so thick

well she still mad at him for TLOU 1, sucks that she has resent towards him at the end of his life. I get both sides of the argument tho.

@@issac82983 Which is honestly fucking stupid too. The whole of the characterization of this game contradicts so much from the first game that it’s ridiculous.

@@rainman3164 what? Joel lied to Ellie for YEARS. She asked “tell me everything you said is true” and Joel said it was. Then she found out the only person she had in life had been lying to her for so long. I’d be pissed too.

​@@guyinagame4793 she knew from the moment he said it. Thats why she went back to the hospital to check. Also shes not mad he lied. Shed mad because marlene was right. She woyld have gladly done the surgery she wsnted her life to mean somethinh

@@guyinagame4793 The ending of the original implied that she knew the whole time and was content to live in blissful ignorance. She knew it and she accepted what happened and why he did what he did, so how and why did she regress past her younger self in Part II? All he did was save her from dying in a fruitless endeavor that would have yielded nothing.

That's when he brings out his super effective golf club.

Joel really said “FEAR ME, if you dare” 🐈🥾🥾🗡️

cringe redditor

That's not his daughter

​@@isaiah8488 No really?

He just wants the best for her and he didn't want to tell her because he knew she would act like this but she just made a issue

But when Joel died she cared and cried

​@@s.bwarteacherjr too late by then

​@@s.bwarteacherjrit's almost like that happens in real life all the time you say something you regret then they die and you can never take it back

Well maybe because Ellie was lied to by Joel about what happened in the firefly hospital

Yes, absolutely. Of course she’s mad that he’s dead and mad at the people that killed him but she’s also equally as mad that she found terapie things before he died

Not necessarily. If you played to the end of the game (which this is part of), you'd know that Ellie and Joel meet up later, have a heart to heart, and make peace with each other. She was devestated because they started to make things right, and she was never given total closure because she was ribbed of the opportunity to truly turn things around.

If all the people who hated The Last of Us 2 realized this, they would see how wonderful this game is.

​@@Tyler_WYes, exactly, but in the end, the only thing that motivated Ellie was the anger she was feeling with herself for treating Joel like that before he died. Everything that happened in Santa Barbara had NOTHING to do with revenge, Ellie's revenge arc ended the moment she killed Owen and Mel in the Aquarium.

@@countedcoin9738 yeah her leaving the farmhouse again wasnt about revenge it was that she was so fucked up with ptsd that she left because she thought killing abby would fix her

They really did. I felt like he needed space to grow. To move forward but Naughty Dog fucked it up and wasted time on doing a "remake" than rewriting the whole game for part 2.

​@@I-need-2-win Why would they rewrite it?

@Hitler Loves Anime because it was bad, and had problems, let's just leave it at that.

Don’t forget why Joel is treated this way after what he broke his promise to Tess

​@@I-need-2-win Last of us part 2 is a masterpiece just the way it is. You just missed the point of it. No rewrites. DEAL WITH IT.

“Who let the simpleton out of the asylum?”

Happens a lot

Second game was so bad, Ellie is such a brat, so hard to like anyone :/

​@@bigbrotheriswatching3234 exactly! Joel is still the only likable character. But then again, if he actually lived through any more of the game, they'd probably fuck him up too

@@bigbrotheriswatching3234 he took away humanity’s only chance of survival by being selfish and putting Ellie above everyone else. He also lied to her about it for years when she asked him for the truth. Of course she’d be angry with him, but she forgave him in the end. It’s realistic. She’s not going to be happy Joel killed a bunch of people to save her against her wishes.

​@@KingDontre not just that. She was just unnecessarily being bratty towards almost everyone

​@@711ptj3 take the fallout profile pic off since you dont understand what it represents

@@711ptj3 imagine different kinds of people exist and this game shows that different people do, in fact, exist even in an apocalype since just because some fungus zombies are roaming the world doesnt mean only straight white cis people exist now. Oh nvm i guess your tiny brain cant compute that

@@slepygabriella2752 enlighten me, what do you think it represents?

@@711ptj3 how about bill? the game barely inferred that he was gay, but he definitely was. who gives a fuck? if the story is bad then that’s fine but i can’t stand people hating this game bc they say it’s about gay people being jammed into the game. ellie was gay in the first game. it’s about love bro, that’s what the first game was about. gay people exist, and they will after the apocalypse. it only makes sense that they exist in a game that’s centered around people and relationships. the game is about the PEOPLE, if it were about Jesse and Ellie fucking and having a kid nobody would give a shit 🤦🏻‍♂️. these stupid double standards exist for idiotic right wing people too and it pisses me off.

​@711 PTJ fallout is an aggressive criticism of capitalism for one. And every game goes out of its way to condemn your exact way of thinking here fam. Inclusion isn't bad.

Right she deserves better

@@jacobs3442 goober

@@jacobs3442gtfo that man literally died for her and said he would do it again with no problem no one else is doing that for ellie in that series

@@jacobs3442 simp

@@jacobs3442 🤡

He will forever be counted as one of the best characters in games

​​@@IndianChad2005 indeed. Naughty Dog fucked up big time.

He deserved it he was a mass murderer

@@I-need-2-win him being a main character doesn't mean he can't die The world they live in is brutal and violent It makes sense that he died in a brutal and violent way

@quagliarella I understand that but the way it was executed was just bullshit and stupid. They don't focus on the infected much except for humans are assholes

He lied to her bruh Then again ik someone's gonna try to justify the lying or blame her for not being grateful that he lied to her

*Ellie* NOT *Elli*

True

Abbie : "Say no more"

Not after what he promised to Tess

I bet Tommy warned Seth about Joel while having fresh air lol

He's great in the show too. Wish that woman wasn't the antagonist and it was him instead. Super talented

Seth didn't dodge a bullet, he dodged a nuclear missile lol

An ex hunter who lost his daughter day 1 and basically lost his surrogate daughter 1 year ago yeah if Marie didn’t get involved he would have got curbstomped look in Joel’s eyes that look that only he and a handful of others have

The last of us 3 commencera par Tommy et J.J qui tue Lev et Abby 😂🔥

One swing from Joel and Seth will meet his creator lol

Exactly :))

I mean, if my loved one kill hundreds of hundreds of soldiers for me, i would aways appreciate them every second after that

finally someone gets it

At least they shared some nice words on his porch.

I love doing some nice golfing in the morning sun

Thats the point.

Okay, so petition to bring him back..

you know that the game doesn't want you to think that Ellie is in the right here right?

@@cocopus its unnecessary for them to write Ellie as an unlikeable jerk towards Joel right before they kill him off barely an hour into the game. Horrible writing, horrible plot, completely destroyed everything the first game built up with absolutely no payoff at the end.

​​@@Darksyne I don't think you know what horrible is you're just biased that is exactly what good writing is their relationship is complex and Joel doesn't get to spend an eternity alive and explain everything he loves about Ellie and get back on the best terms he gets taken away before he can do those things like real people do That's why ellie was so mad that she lost joel after treating him that way until she remebers that she tried to get on good terms before died having the conversation on the porch In this scene ellies says she's doesn't know if she can forgive the firefly situation but she want to try, joel realizing he has another chance to be a father to ellie sheds a tear and nearly cries Joel is shown be a better person in general and better dad to ellie and is shown to have zero regrets even if it hurt ellies and his relationship he'd kill all those people again just to keep her safe They also showed us him singing playing guitar he taught ellie to like he said But ohhhh no a 57 year old man got to see his daughter figure in his final moments after saving a young womans life An no it wasn't poorly done joel didn't gib his name until Tommy had already said they're names to Abby Abby had saved Tommy's life Tommy and joel were in a blizzard with nowhere to go except the nearest safe building which happens to be abbys ski lodge area Within 30 seconds joel was suspicous of the group

@@johnmarston1419 literally everyone else doesn't agree. Joel deserved better than to be tossed aside like garbage. Remember this is a video game meant to entertain people and you can't do that if you kill off a beloved character because the developers want to push an agenda with a different companion for Ellie. All for an ending with no payoff.

@@Darksyne agenda? I think you're the one with an agenda it was bound to happen one day And also entertainment no media is an artwork art evokes emotion joels death amels angry so angry that you'll ignore things you disagree with and act like the whole thing is bad for reason you can't be specific about And the endings payoff was to make you feel bad it's kinda the point of ellies story as well as joels Not all media is supposed to pander to what you want

I really liked your theory. Maybe she does start to realise it at the end of the short as her eyes look like they cast some doubt on her outburst? Especially in a later scene which is meant to be after she attempts to salvage a broken relationship. But imo feels guilty she was t able to repair it to what it was. What do you think?

I agree. They did not do a good job telling a good story in the second one. It feels like they tried to make a point about revenge but it fell short.

The irony is this absolutely was used to mend their broken relationship. Literally the last flashback scene in the game is a continuation of this night where Ellie goes to talk to Joel and try in her own way to learn how to forigive him.

I would have liked to have a similar story but without the revenge theme, like maybe Joel gets bit and Ellie has to figure out how to heal from that wound just as Joel did when his daughter died. I feel like the only thing Neil cares about when he wrote this was shock value. He put the shock of the story over the character and themes. It would have worked well in a stand alone tittle but this is a sequel, you just can't do this shit

I know right 😢

Joel would have sent bro to the shadow realm

@@Ignaciofinger he was about to pull out a brick from his jacket

@@steverogers6572 he was gonna pull out a nailbomb and throw it at the guys foot

Seth was about to meet the creator of all living things lol

Ol boy dont know Joel single-handedly killed a bloater with a machete, and can make a proximity bomb out of rusty can and some bubble gum

​@@loudcat9364 But somehow still gets brutally killed by a she man 💀

@@A-TRA1Nyou obviously didn’t play the game. So sit down chief

Look at Joel go!

Ellie: -I'm an independent woman now, i don't need you. A year later: Joel i'm so sorry, i miss you.

You mean when she was 12, inexperienced and allat?

Fair point but ig it's different

it's propaganda bro

@@anthonygarcia8749 How?

@@anthonygarcia8749 what is? The game?

It’s writing by neil drunkman. Very light version of homophobes.

Yeah, this whole scene felt odd. I almost had to ask if this is still a post apocalyptic zombie world with Raiders that kill and eat people

Ellie is lowkey petty as hell- like holding such a big grudge against joel for as long as she did was beyond lame

@@MightySoup234 I think that’s why she took his death so hardly. She struggled to forgive herself for treating Joel that way and not being able to forgive him sooner.

@@MightySoup234 I don’t think you fully understand just what Joel did to her • he escorted her 3/4ths of the country to find the Fireflies because they were on a mission to save the world. • he didn’t give her a choice on if she wanted to do the surgery, he stripped that from her. Now the Fireflies were awful to those 2 but what Joel did was equally awful. • he LIED to her about them stopping to look for a cure, and SWORE ON THAT LIE • years later, she discovered that lie for herself, which is arguably worse than it Joel just fessed up. • she made it very clear that she and Joel were done, and that she doesn’t need him to protect her anymore.

Which is completely hypocritical of Ellie.

@@steveg8029 how is that hypocritical?

Couldn't she beat them with her bare hands when she was 14?

@@atanaZionI never seen that, unless You mean the time she escaped because even with meele weapons its hard to fight them.

@@WaylonMoone There are some youtube clips about it, hard but not exactly impossible

​@@atanaZionI think she'd need a knife for a clicker. A runner or stalker wouldn't be much of a problem with throwing hands

I'm literally asking how does nobody mention how hot she is damn lol

Worse. Its anita

Ah the "AnTi WoKe" gremlins in their natural habitat..

@@dmaxwell910901 hey if you can’t get a game to sell with a gay protagonist just start it with a straight one and then kill him and force everyone to play as a gay protagonist in the sequel😂 I’m not hating on it, I love Ellie. But I hate that they killed Joel for no reason beyond having more focus on Ellie

@@MrSEABIE That's just your assumption lmao. Games change character between sequels all the time. God you people are walking parodies

@@dmaxwell910901 what do you mean by you people

What are the reasons?

People justify everything which is the opposite of what the developers/writers wanted. I don’t know how you can justify Joel murdering a hospital full of innocent people and the only doctor who could find the cure, which ruined Abby’s life. We were pretty much told that there would’ve for sure been a cure. Like if Joel is perfectly justified then how is Abby a villain when she was avenging her father ? If Joel did the same thing he’d get a pass

@@OncelerKidsAreCringe joel continuing the lie straight to ellies face muliple times

@@kyra2419someone understands the game

@@kyra2419”innocent people” bruh did you even play the game? The fireflies are straight up terrorists that blow up a building in a populated safe zone within the first hour of the game and they were gonna kill a child and backstab Joel because their vet (not even a real doctor) thought he could make a vaccine for a fungal infection (which is impossible) with 20+ year old equipment

I mean she showed up to his place shortly after. She still didn’t apologize nor did she forgive him. She said she could try but that’s it. Makes her pretty unlikable in my opinion

@@TrashTalk878 makes her human, not everyone can forgive people instantly, sadly it takes time but in this case she never got to say it

Not to demean you because i honestly hope one day your dad will, but he isnt really her dad and he lied to her about something she remind him was extremely important to her before any of it even happened, i get you want joel to not be treated so roughly but this life, actions have consequences just like if you werent to do them, at the end of the day she was in her way coping with what happened and the results of it all, you can not judge her for how she feels. Ever. because you havent lived the exact same life. This thought process is coming from the same type of people who praise joel for the first game, when you reread what i have wrote for ellie alot of those apply to joel as well or atleast super joel fans will agree with.

@808hearmann Xea Ooohhh! I was waiting for someone to comment this! Because luckily for you, I already have a response locked and loaded for someone like you. So thank you so much for saying this! Ooohh! I'm so excited! Yes, I know that's not her real dad. I played the game, thank you very much. But he still CHOSE to love her. He could have very easily handed her off to Tommy, or even gave her to another firefly like the original plan was. But he didn't. I also get why she's upset. Really, I do! She said she wanted her life to matter. But her life ALREADY does, as she's literally the only thing that Joel has left. As someone who lives in the real world, that whole process definately wouldn't work out the way she expects it to. First of all, what happens to the people that are already clickers/bloaters/runners/etc? Is the vaccine going to turn them human again? If the vaccine did happen, I'm willing to bet every dollar I have that the vaccine would be ridiculously expensive. Not to mention the fact that there would DEFINATELY be a war over it. You want to know what I think should have happened? They should have asked Ellie while she was conscious if she wanted to do the surgery. And Joel should have been in the room. You're right. I can't judge Ellie for how she feels (which I'm not. Where you even pulled that from is beyond me). But that can go both ways, friend. Have you lost a child before? If not, then you can't judge Joel for what he did. I'm very aware that Joel does bad things. But guess what? Everyone in this universe does. It's a zombie apocalypse afterall. People are pushed to some pretty dark limits in this universe. Some people do bad things to survive, some do it to protect people they love, while others do bad things for power and fear. I'm aware that Karma is a running theme in this game too, thanks.

​@@GamingWithGlacier what an awesome reply, 100% agree.

@@DiegoLopez-ft5wd Thank you, my friend. :)

@@GamingWithGlacier see I get both yalls points, but I think the attitude Ellie has towards Joel and her discontent nature and her feeling of “lacking purpose” is gonna be an even more important and integral part of the overarching story. Ellie centers her entire worth and belonging on her immunity and the possibility that she is the key to saving a broken world. That’s taken from her and so her entire identity is stripped with it. Think about it. Ellie’s whole motivation and purpose was that she was the cure. Now that’s gone and it was stripped from her by the person closest to her, and then he lied and lied about it. I believe in the next last of us (they already confirmed it’s been written it’s gonna be a thing) part of Ellie’s story will be finding that worth. Finding her new identity and how to be happy. Coping with her trauma and finding that, being the world to those around her that matter and love her is just as important and valid as saving a broken and (honestly) evil world that would’ve exploited her sacrifice and used it for personal gain

Remember that there's a whole storyline about *why* she is mad at Joel. This shit isn't out-of-hand

And the audacity to say that saving Ellie is selfish and the worst sin ever? But it’s A FICTION GAME! The outcome does affect us. So why should we care about a cure?? We’re not in the Story 😂

It was a whole year ago though you can’t be that petty of that it’s a waste of energy “forgive your enemies but never forget their names.”-John F Kennedy

I mean, it's realistic. I see this everyday.

The last of us 1 established ellie was gay and that shit is one of the best games of all time 🤔🤔🤔🤔😮 And guess what? Joel was still an old white guy in that game 😵😵😵😵 Fucking weirdo

it's not realistic at all

​@@sashidze Technically it is, I seen alot Old people being Homophobia, My friend told me her family say this remind her when she was young, old people is just like that to black people, Like old people calling black people/lbgt a devil 💀 like they were devil for what? For who they are? That just ridiculous 😂

​@@sashidze how tf is it not realistic?

U can! It's around snowy mountains people have places just like Jackson there

I assume the best is tlou 1

1st worst game on earth, fucking wokes

The game socks balls, they killed off Joel and gave us an annoying brat built on the back of anger, envy, pettiness, over indulging lesbian, non logical, anti climatic asf and two bad endings. Major disappointment not even top 200

@@longfish5174 Yes for me

@@popisolation Killing Joel was good, ending was great It all just depends on perspectives

“Kids die all the time”, remember? And so do Adults. So realistic she couldn’t stop death no matter the cure. She was going throw her life away without living the rest of it. Humans can’t save the world. Look at all deaths that have occurred this year, no vaccine is going to prevent a car accident or a plane/ helicopter crash or stabbings and shootings.

cause joel kept the truth about the end of the last game a secret and lies to ellie. thats why she is mad

@@Hi-wz8fb ok but regardless defending her in this fashion should still go appreciated, at least its what i'd assume from the ellie we had in the first game, she wasn't THIS mean spirited

@@fobo3361 it does show ellie was ready to forgive him, in a flashback. right after this happened in the dance place ellie goes to joel and says she wil forgive him, she didnt mean it necessarily but she thinks of what joel had taken away from her

She asked him to stay away from her while. He violated her boundaries by trying to intervene and she’s allowed to be mad about that. Joel knows damn well she can handle an old homophobe on her own.

Imagine finding out that your dad murdered a hospital full of people. Apparently that should nake her love him more Seek help