I have never played 40K. I have never collected 40K. I dont understand 40K. Most of your videos that I watch might as well be in Swedish, thats how little I understand of what you guys talk about. But I do understand the passion of a hobby, mine are just different, I started watching this channel when Jazza did art, now i watch for the passion you guys have.( still not sure what a space marine chapter is or a Tau)

The coffee bits are getting better and better. This one was an absolute masterpiece!

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Jazza, you are almost single handedly responsible for me getting back into the hobby, not just of 40k, but from that also came DnD, 3D printing and 100's of hours of enjoyment painting awesome minitures. Thank you Jazza.

Gotta love the idea that a group with multiple channels dedicated to tabletop hobby are accused of being "tourists" by professional Twitter users and podcasters that jump to a new hobby to complain about from the sidelines every week.

Hi there, I completely feel like a hobby tourist. I am older than most models out there, 61 at the end of May. I started painting during the pandemic as a way to relax, decompress and well just take a break from what was going on at the time. I painted random miniatures, then board games miniatures and well sooner or later GW models had to be next. As anyone would do, I marched my way to KZfaq. I watched videos and videos and more videos. I watched all the videos I could until it came time for me to paint. Then I watch more videos. Through all that I have NEVER played a game of 40K or Warhammer fantasy and I have only played tabletop RPG a few times. I graduated in the age of Pong! I paint what amuses me at the time. Whether if it is an old cast, new plastic, a tabletop miniature or a random miniature I found. I paint for the joy and the time I have to relax. If that makes me a hobby tourist, can I get a passport to travel this hobby as I please? Love the content. Keep it up.

Heck! Jazza’s back on the channel! Jokes, but this was a great video. And it hit a little close to home. I don’t like the term “hobby tourist”. To me, it’s okay to have a surface level interest in a hobby, cause that’s how people figure out if they want to go deeper. That’s how I got into Warhammer. I found a Tyranid mini, and called it a “weird Xenomorph” and then fell down a rabbit hole of learning a little bit more of the lore. If I had had a term like “hobby tourist” at me in any negative way, I would have dropped it and walked away. And I’m so glad that it never happened to me. Thank you, Jazza and Dave, forever this video and the discussion. Can’t wait to see what’s going to happen in the future.

It is so bonkers to me when I hear these stories. I remember being like 12 watching with wonder a group of adults playing 40k, and they actively encouraged me to come over next to the table and ask questions. I distinctly still remember one of the folks who couldn't be bothered to paint their army even letting me play a small game to learn.

Hearing Jazza “wasn’t allowed” to play D&D even though his brother, He who Shall Not Be Named, owned them makes so much sense for that person now.

Seeing jazza on an episode about accepting people in the hobby makes my heart warm cause I assume a lot of people think of him this way and they are just wrong. Also love hearing people talk positively about women and others being accepted in the hobby and lore. Cant think of anyone who might think otherwise. Yep. Not one. Especially one who has a channel about swords.

This vid was very special and lovely to hear both Jazza’s passion and doubts. As someone who still considers themselves new to the hobby (just over a year and a half in now), I also feel like an outsider, even at my local games club (who have been nothing but welcoming), and social anxiety means I struggle meeting new people. Nice to know I’m not alone 😊

guys that skit... pure perfection so funny lol also loved the extra length, 40 minutes or more any day, podcast this stuff baby! lol

I for one love that Warhammer is becoming a household name, I've had a Drs appointment and ended up discussing with my Dr about it because his son has joined a club at school and now they both have started the hobby! The more people enjoy it the more we all get together! so win win win IMO

Still love the flashback videos that show prep-boy Dave 🤣

For what it's worth, and it might not be much; I am currently running my second d&d campaign. We have a session tomorrow night. I have never had as much fun, in such a fulfilling way, as I do when we play this game. I am only running this game because I met the current players in a westmarches d&d game that I only joined because of tTt Roleplay. I credit my love for this game to you guys. I didn't even know this hobby existed before Jazza made his "We're bringing back Tabletop Time!" video. I'm now almost a year into my 40k journey too, which was also almost entirely caused due to you guys. I could never express how grateful I am to tTt for showing me how awesome this part of nerd culture is.

As an old dude who is far less active in but still loves Warhammer to this day, THANK YOU for this video. I've been gaming since '79 and I have encountered so many of the things you mentioned here.

I am someone with neither the time nor the artistic hand to actually paint miniatures or play serious tabletop games, but I've always had so many ideas and thoughts of things I would love to do if I did. I came up with my own guard regiment and did lots of research on them years ago, but then I kind of fell out. You guys are a great source of inspiration and reignited that passion for not just that idea, but so many others that I have. Thank you for bringing back that creative spark and I hope you guys get to enjoy your hobbies for many years to come.

Not knowing the rules and being scoffed at, is legit the reason why i NEVER got into ANYTHING.. My dad love trains, and collects models, so we where often inside hobby stores, i remember seeing Warhammer and ask if that was something i could paint, and they just told my dad "no its only for boys".. My dad saw a LARP store and saw my enthusiasm and we tried to figure out what it was and how to play but again i got the "its for boys" comment. DnD again "no girls allowed" i tried playing computer with the guys in school but "girls don't play red alert" every sport, every hobby, i have always been turned away from or forced to enjoy from the outside looking in. My now partner loves playing computer games with me - board games - not DnD, but other systems and home brew stories and settings - I paint HIS warhammer stuff - i still don't do sports but that's just me being lazy! He invites me to everything he does because he loves to share his hobby and life with me. Fudge people who gate keep honestly.. They are silly, sad creatures who lives in a world long gone from reality.

So Jazza not knowing the turn around time of this video is a testament to his leadership. Leaders should trust their team to do the work they’re hired to do and remove roadblocks when they occur. Leaders should not micromanage their teams. Jazza is turning into the leader we should all be lucky to have. Also, those coffee bits are fire lol

The hobby tourist thing must be a result of culture in general becoming more tribal. I've experienced it myself: I went down to my local hobby store, entered a blood bowl league - yet everyone excluded me and they stayed and played in their own little clique, despite me repeatedly asking for games on Discord. When I called them out on this, a very select few started including me. I then suggested maybe because it's a league we should all have to play each other. The boss then kicked me from the Discord server for questioning him and his league rules.

I give 10 coffee beans and 3 ugly laughing cry tears to that coffee segment. Loved it. Also yeah, I wouldn't say this one was the first one that felt podcasty, I feel that you guys are more comfortable with the format and just nerding. Great conversation, being a international viewer, didn't know about the term having so much baggage. Its sad, hobbies are for having fun and sharing, thats what make them hobbies

How could Jazza be a hobby tourist? thanks to him I found out I could paint minis and how to do it, and because of him I found channels like squidmar that pushed my painting technics further. Jazza is not only the resort at the vacation plance, he's the airline that takes you there.

Well done team. The Hobby is whatever you want it to be for you. Insecure people label others to make themselves feel better, more justified. It's a sad world where people feel that putting others down because they are different to them, and to boost their own ego, is acceptable.

I made the "mistake" of walking into a hobby store and asking about the "forty thousand figurines". The look of disgust and derision from the store clerk made me feel so insignificant, it tainted my interest in the genre, leaving a bad first impression. It had enough of an effect on me that I never took up the hobby and didn't bother picking up any of the manuals or sets.

Clean cut Dave looking like he's about to head to church.

Thank you for touching on this. My older bother was also into and I wanted to be but wasnt allowed to, in highschool dated and later married someone that played and he tried but we spoke very different languages (me art him numbers) and the how to and stuff was always too much at once. Sorta became friends with the local game shop employee but then he got a girl friend and I didnt exist anymore that was hard but I kept at it. We were playing on day at a tournament at the local game store and this middle aged guy (I was still in college at the time) was such a stickler for rules and loved to make people look stupid. We disagreed on a rule and because he was him everyone agreed with him. I lost because of it, looked it up after and was right. I brought it up and got like “huh well now the shop knows too” brought it to the next game and he told me that if I couldnt let one little lose go I would never be good to which everyone laughed…laughed at be for being right to the person that was always a stickler for rules and would NEVER let any of them go…so I said I guess thats why hes never going to be good because he had to lie about rules to beat college girls and I never played at that shop again. Got a divorce from the gamer too and just recently started caring again cause of your channel. Thank you all for addressing this. “Tourists” or whatever are still valid players.

Is it weird that I kinda love the name "hobby tourist". I imagine this person who loves passion and goes around joining others in their hobbies. I might not be into "blank" hobby but could definitely appreciate the passion others have. 🤩

omfg each video just gets better and better I LOOOOOVE all the work you guys are putting into all these videos.

Great video! I see a lot of the “Hobby tourist” nonsense online, and all I can say is I definitely wouldn’t want to be associated with that crowd they seem very toxic and angry. Jazz’s and his hobby journey on KZfaq was a huge factor in getting me into the hobby. In a few short years I went from watching some terrain making and mini painting videos to having over 3K points worth of Spacewolves and Stormcast painted and ready to go. Thanks for all the inspiration!🤘😎🤘

Ahh just an all around fantastic conversation to listen to (and peek up at the visuals while I'm painting at my desk). An absolute breath of fresh air!

Your team never fail to impress. Nail on the head y'all. Keep up the grand work y'all. Does my heart good to see such wonderful folks inthe hobby with us old bloods.

It amazes me how awesome, wholesome and welcoming Jazza is when other brother ended up as such a toxic gatekeeping prick

I can relate super hard. I could've gotten into warhammer when I was 14 and had my first job, but I was literally laughed out of the only store in town, by the owner and his friends when I came up to their game on the side during a magic Friday. I just asked how much it would cost to start playing. I was expecting 500-1000. But they literally laughed that I couldn't afford it. Then I was watching lore videos during free time at work years later and got into painting. I still haven't gotten to play because the store here doesn't play AoS or killteam, or anything but full scale 2k point 40k and I really dont care about every faction being techy looking. One day I'll have a friend group that's interested.

The bullying and gatekeeping within the hobby has always existed. The weirdest experience that is kinda related to this that I had was at GW Parramatta back in the early 2000s (when it was in Westfield Parramatta). An employee (now ex-employee) who I believe was the store manager there was a wiccan and so one day he when he saw a kid wearing a WWJD bracelet abused the crap out of him shouting crap like "your God wants you to kill me" "kill me now" and stuff like that at him. The kid was like 12. I was something like 15 or so and playing a game in the store at the same time. Other staff were cool there though. I have to admit that him and that behaviour didn't make me keen to come play in that store.

The back of that Daemon Prince model was designed to fit the plastic dragon wings from WH Fantasy which were available on their own sprue (i.e. you didn't need to buy a whole dragon for them).

i never would have started painting minis if it wasnt for Jazza and his video painting the giant blood angel. never played a game, very small exclusionary community in my area. but i love the painting side of the hobby. thanks to jazza i get to have a ton of fun creating stories and characters as i paint. its a great escape for me, having the ability to focus on something fun for an hour or two a day. cant express my gratitude enough.

Great video love seeing Jazza back on the channel I hope he comes in more to show some of the stuff he has been working on. An army showcase from Jazza ??

If people on the Internet are making fun of you your probably right and haveing more fun than them keep going your on the right path

I only found jazza from the colab with minis. Seemed like a fun guy so popped to the channel and was shocked how big it was. Glad you got back in and you're cracking on.

I honestly didn't really know of this term till now but i think it's going to be a useful tool in my verbal arsonal for when i see non warhammer hobbist political commentators who barely ever touch warhammer outside of times it's useful for them to generate rage bait content such as that guy who couldn't even pronounce adeptus custodes and was behaving like the anti christ had been found because gw gaves us a female custodes short story. the majority of their stuff is political content and if they have models i would be surprised

I was a Jazza, grew up a big fan of GW but too anxious to really go in and get involved in the store, and embarrassed because I couldn't afford enough minis to play. I tried a few times to go into the store and play a trial game, but there was always a regular there that would push ahead of me, so I just played smaller games at home with my family. I remember as a teenager, I once plucked up enough courage to enter the FLGS's painting competition, and came second. All I can remember is sheepishly hovering at the back of the store as the winners were being announced and the sudden disappearance of cheers, and the rustling whispers of "who's that guy?" "No way that beats XXX's one" "Never seen that shit before" "he's not even from here" from the regulars when my name was called out, and the feeling of shame and exclusion was so strong that it completely soured my feeling of achievement and I was too embarrassed to even go back and pick up my mini after it stopped being displayed. I'm sure to those guys, I was probably a "hobby tourist" even though I'd been painting, collecting and reading lore since the early 90's.

my experiance has been much the same as jazza, I've been in the hobby since second eddition 40k, collecting and painting models on and off though my life. I've got many half - 80% painted projects but never fully got one up to 2000 points so i've never had a game of 40k in my life. maybe this will be the this year or next i find a place in melbourne for a game and to show case my hard work on the table.

"Going to game stores, looking at paint jobs" That's me, right there, Jazza. And it alongside watching some videos and talking with the staff of my local store, gave me the kick 8n the pants to get started.

I love the friendship this crew has. Great talk today! Nice to have J. drop by for a visit.

I've been called a hobby tourist by someone who didn't understand the irony of the 40k setting. Tells you all you need to know about who that person was.

I learned the phrase/term with this video. I've acquired a lot of W40k models/kits, a bunch of paints, haven't built/painted anything (YET?!), watch Eons of Battle, Poorhammer, Auspex Tactics, Majorkill, Zorpazorp, Battle Brother Sam, and (obviously) TTT.

when Jazza mentioned being introduce to the hobby by his cousin, i could really relate to that as my cousin introduced me first to Space crusade, then battle masters then Epic 2nd edition, which absolutely blew my mind. The hordes of tanks and little men streaming across a table and clashing in huge piles of plastic was glorious. My cousin mostly won because I was more excited about sending huge armoured waves across the table to get slaughtered in tactically dubious assaults. Games took a whole day to deploy and a day and half to play. I stopped playing after I started university which was the end of the 90s and into the new millennium. I took up the hobby again last year, but leaned into 40k minis and my cousin once again introduced me to a gaming club that he went to. And it's such a joy when there's a group of men all in their 40s and 50s some bringing their children to the club and all just having a blast pushing little plastic and resin figures across a table and rolling dice while yelling at the downfall of their favourite squad or when they somehow roll 4 6s in a one go.

I was so scared at first to get back into the hobby bc i left due to not so great experiences. i found a local gamestore and decided to just go to it and see how it feels. it was honestly such a welcoming store with the owners just being super friendly that it started to feel like a second home almost. i've been going there for 3 years now and we have build a full on community. it made me realize that it is so important to have a strong and welcoming community.

I hear tourism is fun, lmao. Elitism and gatekeeping are silliness. My friend and I play tabletop games at a local book store cafe (the coffee and apple pie are real benefits!) and we get a lot of interest from people who don't know anything about tabletop gaming. Its nice.

Crisis Protocol is a great skirmish game that really captures the super hero flavor. I love that Jazza is giving it a go. We have a growing community for it here and Maine and the North East overall.

Those coffee break clips are awesome, the ladder part was genius XD. What I don't get is where do these came from? Is it some sort of internal joke that grew out of control?

Please please please share the link to that old school video of young TTT!?!?

Coffee bitz has been a wonderful addition. Please keep up the awesome creativity!

Great vid...love hearing peoples hobby journeys...honestly I really enjoy listening people talk about thing they are passionate about! I do how hate any form of trying to belittle someone when they are just trying to enjoy a hobby...and it happens all the time! I mean, how often do people throw around the "you're not a gamer!". Thankfully, I don't think I have ever had to deal with it personally...yet :)

I've been playing this game since I was 13. I dont count when I was 11 cause oh boy did I not know what I was doing. I've not come across the term hobby tourist till now. As I think of this term and ruminate on it I can see "hobby tourist" taken as Jazza said it initially. Someone who doesn't engage with the hobby, but wants to speak as if they where an authority on the hobby. With this in mind, the idea of someone who already doesn't like a hobby you enjoy trying to change it on a fundamental level feels gross. The mentality of, for example someone who says "I don't like basket ball so I'm going to change it for everyone so I can like it." is unsettlingly selfish. Sometimes change is good. Sometimes adding in stuff is good. I'd rather that change come from the community, and not pressured by someone who doesn't engage with the hobby. This doesn't mean you need to know everything about the hobby but at the very least engage in some constructive manner. Unless the community as a whole believes the ball should not go in the hoop, let the players strive for the hoop, and if the odd man out wants to play hoopless basketball no one should stop him but at the same time they shouldn't be obliged to change the whole game for everyone. Cause you can't please everyone. It's likely a thought and sentiment most people in the hobby have floating around in the back of their heads and it shows when it's the first thought Jazza describes. It's easy to see how bad actors in the rage bait community can take the idea and warp it. It's the idea of getting you worked up over something you don't like and sprinkling a little extra in so now you're thinking about the thing you dislike, and something's been snaked in to get you thinking about that little other thing too till it becomes a big thing in your head along side the first.

Love this Hobby, Got into From playing Dnd and being really excited about making and painting a miniature to represent my character, as during the campaign we played with my friend’s miniatures and they were just generic ones ( one of my friends was using a batman mini as a proxy even though this was a pirate themed game and he was not batman lol) and so i re-created my character on Hero forge and hit order. But now i need paints while i waited for my order to arrive. So i ordered this Reaper bones painting kit that came with 20 paints or so and 3 dnd models. I used those to practice painting my first ever miniatures and i was hooked. It was so much fun seeing this little dude come to life as i paint the colors on to him. All the while picturing in my head his story and what makes him tick ( the first one was just a skeleton with a bow lol) But every time i felt i was getting better and better with each model. After painting those 3 i went to a barnes and nobles and saw they were selling a warhammer painting bundle that came with 3 pots of paint and 3 primaris space marines. I picked that up and got to painting and had a blast with it. I was so excited that i did this accomplishment i posted the first one to reddit and got a few likes and some helpful comments. I instantly painted my second one and saw much improvement thanks to the helpful comments on reddit. Then my hero forge minature finally arrived. It was time to put my month of training to the test so i could paint my dnd character and impress my friends the next game night. Unfortunately dnd would be put on hiatus because of covid and i never did get to bring my character to dnd night. But it was too late, i had been bitten by this hobby bug and i was itching to paint more models. Fast forward to today and I have way too many models, way too many paints, and not nearly enough time to paint them all. But I love this hobby, and love watching videos of people expressing that same love! Ive never met anyone in person that is in the hobby ( or maybe i have and its never came up) but by playing other miniature games with people who dont paint but like to play games, its still a way i can share my hobby and have fun with friends

This is a wonderful message, short version, don't be the person you'd not want to meet.

when I first got into the hobby a guy called me a hobby tourist because I'm a girl , From that point on I could not take the term seriously.

I consider Jazza to be more of a tourist guide rather than a tourist. I have a Huion, 2nd actually, because of his digital art many years back. I kind of started with 40K when he started showing off things. I didn't make a box like he did but I have a setup pretty much alike. So it might not be the deepest dive every time but there is a lot of discovery&inspiration watching vids every now and then.

it seems interesting to me that Jazza's brother has one of the rage bate channels they are talking about

I don't think the gatekeepers even care about who they harm in the process of defending their niche hobby from outsiders. And actually, your talk about how gatekeeping affects people reminds me of how my high school art teacher treated me, she was very much not a teacher, as far as she was concerned, if you weren't driving your interest completely with all the intensity of a professional on your own from day one, you weren't worthy of studying art. And her awful comments caused me to lose a lot of my drive for art. The passion is obviously still there, I wouldn't be here otherwise, but there's such an intense fear of failure caused by some shitty comments that are... from about 20 years ago? It's still affecting me now. I wish it didn't, but it does. And it's that which makes it all the more annoying that there aren't local art groups I could take part in. Really, all I need is a body double (that's a person who is there, but is literally doing their own thing, but that I could essentially coast alongside, keep that working energy going), but it's pretty hard to get one because the sorts of groups needed just aren't there, and I think there's still very much a lack of understanding for body doubling in this area. But seeing you guys cracking on is bringing me a little bit of hope.

I loved The Paladin game and short video. Kept looking for a sequel to it but never knew Jazza had created it.

Man, my way into the hobby is almost a mirror image of Jazza's, crazy!

We need more tourists that’s how they become full on hobbyists!!!

The coffee bits are starting to take more effort than just painting up models for a mini showcase video at this point.

People LOVE Space Bears! Me included.

I have legit blacklisted that term on socials. It brings nothing to the community, and it's said by jerks.

why am I so invested in the coffee narrative

W-w-wait, this requires my full attention; I’m going to need a coffee (pauses video, shenanigans ensue) …ok where were we?

I suspect a large % of people using the phrase "hobby tourist" are projecting. They see others who are infinitely more passionate about something than they are, and throw out a term that they think will upset them. What they don't understand, is not being as passionate about "the hobby", is fine too. You can have as much, or as little hobby as you want, and thats ok. It's not a competition. One isn't better than the other, and it takes nothing away from you if someone else just dabbles in something you're *really* into.

Drinking my coffee during the coffee bits section

I've been called a tourist and i've been around since the rt days. If you use the term tourist as a slur, that's all we need to know about you ;)

I've been in the hobby since 1st edition came out and have been accused of being a tourist, based only on not sharing someone's opinion.

To humour the gatekeeper's point of view. Preventing any type of hobby from getting mainstream traction, is stopping the price gauging and extreme opportunistic practices that come with anything related to tourist short term cash grab. Mass appeal also brings unwanted attention by hate parties of late that only want to make their hateful point of views manifest in everything they turn their eye on. Warrhamer is a tongue in cheek parody, but it can be severely misunderstood if it isn't taken as that. Preserving things outside of the mainstream media is like keeping the colonists outside of your land. I am not supporting this take but i can see fair points in it as well. It is the same problem with any kind of art. You want great artists to be able to create art , but they also need money to pay their bills. In closure, i think it's high time we look things more stoically and focus on what we enjoy and ignore the static.

Had this painting session at the very beginning of my hobby journey, to learn with one of the guys from the official local GamesWorkshop in town. Had already painted a bit (badly ^^') my own Space Marins Chapter, which I called the Space Diamons since I was a geology geek and had learn that nothing was sturdier than diamonds. Was really proud of the idea, too. And yet while talking about it with said store worker, the guy (around 30) laughed in my face (13 yo kid) for having a "girly" name for my chapter. wtf ? never went back to said store, and even now that I'm back in the hobby (ended quitting 'cause not enough money to get figs and painting gear. it's nice to be an adult and have money to spend ^^), i am not going back there. Plenty of space around to meet great people and buy good stuff ! edith : funny how that last bit by Dave links up with a lot of different hobbies. For instance, how the LEGO community is, and how some adult fans laugh at Bionicle Fan for "not being real lego fan", and vice-versa...

This honestly kinda makes me sad. I wish I had people to actually do hobby stuff with regularly. Just kinda depressing that people gatekeep like this in a hobby that really needs a community to get by.

unrelated to the topic but Short hair clean shaved Dave, looks like he'd be Australian Steve form Blues Clues

I started with the love for the story's in the early white dwarf magazines,started collecting a few marines but nothing great,lost interest for a few years while i delved into world of warcraft,got given a mix of old models which brought me back into the hobby ,read the space wolf omnibus and i was lore crazy from there,me and my brother hammered through the Horus heresy (he's been collecting for a while, multiple armies) he brought a big box which was half plague marines which i personally love there lore so i ended up with 60+ models for basically nothing iv added Typhus and a few more myself ,the community online i avoid to a extent because there all mental,my local store are great guys they'll help but there's no pressure which is brilliant for people overwhelmed with the variety and anxiety,iv had the "look" but it's from people who have no clue but most iv met are good people 🤘

Space Bear Rattlings/Squats would be awesome 😍

Jazzas definition of hobby tourists was spot on. Both how hobby tourists is missed used and how it's actually applied. Then after that dave lets some bias and projection get in the way and miss understands gatekeeping. Even if you're not a tourist and have been around longer it's good to gate keep against subversive actions. Yes dave we want new people in the hobby we love new people. But you got to like the hobby and not just want to use the hobby for personal agenda. Dave i feel like your letting personal stuff cloud your sight from the bigger picture. Just look around, star wars wasn't gate kept and now we have the acolyte. Battletech has a plague of bad writers and malicious actors. GW, well it's gw really, they've more so just been stepping on rakes with certain actions. Tranch crusade shot it's self in the foot before they even got the chance to start. There's some that haven't been effected many do to how small they are. Infinity, bolt action,flames of war, there pretty much small enough to fly under the radar. For better or worse.

Making and looking at sick little things is bloody mean, I was watching a siege studio video before this just marvelling in the cool little dudes. We should be tourists going and appreciating fun stuff together

Dave looked like Ben Wyatt from Parks and Recreation, that’s amazing. He should do a Severance coffee time skit!

If I was to make any comment to anyone looking to get into AoS or 40k as a hobby. Bring yourself to the table, be as creative as you want to be or collect it like you're collecting a historical war game. It's all up to you! I myself am very much on the creative side of things, I love to make my own factions within the lore because I can

I’m an absolute hobby tourist, I’m rubbing shoulders with knowing fuck all of the lore and mechanics of warhammer, but man do i love painting them.

Well the internet just got smaller for me! 2 channels that I'm independently subscribed to coming together...completely unaware of any previous connection

Oooooooh! I started right before the magazine came out, I got all the first magazines which had plastic miniatures... Goblins, last alliance...

Modern-day hobby tourists are people who are politically motivated to take over a space and have it cater to them specifically, at the expense of the real fans. You can see this trend happening in everything that becomes remotely popular, and it always kills the thing they've taken over.

Jazza was close right off the bat, but Dave missed the mark. “Hobby tourism” is not a xenophobic term. Rather, it goes hand-in-hand with “Warhammer is for anyone, not everyone.” If you love what we love, or want to learn to love it, come on in! If you just want to take it from us and change it into something else, why would we support that? And it absolutely does not exclude women or minorities from the hobby (plenty of both fighting against tourism). The loudest voices on Twitter, KZfaq, and everywhere else in favor of changing Warhammer are all white men… typically taking it upon themselves to speak on behalf of women and minorities, and calling any who disagree with them names like “pick me.” The issue, as Jazza recognized, is that the “tourists” are people less invested in 40K who demand mass changes be made to accommodate them… like tourists saying they love a locale but that the locals should speak their language, that the restaurants need to serve their cuisine, and so on. And it is interesting that you brought up the bullying of the past considering the tourists love to tell nerds that their passion does not matter, that they are virgins (incels), that they need to “touch grass” rather than obsess over their passions, that it’s good that it is being taken from them, and on, and on. And that gets to the heart of this. This is the latest case of an old nerd passion being commodified into a mainstream fad, something to show off on Instagram. And nerds are being bullied by the tourists who demand Warhammer change for them. Edit to add: Telling people to play old editions while Warhammer is changed for new people is crap. After all the time and money invested, they should just accept that the hobby is no longer for them? To accommodate people who have never been fans before? Really? Anything tourists could possibly want was always accommodated via homebrew and kitbash. Why does Warhammer itself have to make their desires canon over the desires of people who have kept it all alive since 1987?

Dave, Jazza- Speaking of ‘tourists’ I’ve got a bunch of kitbashed war hammer models i have put together (because i really enjoy customizing the models as an artist perspective-beyond the game) -and as i have not played the table top… I’ve no idea if they would be even remotely useful or wanted maybe as artistic collections- but interested if you would be willing to take a look at em and let me know if they would ever be worth anything (as in would people be interested in them, and what would a reasonable price be to sell em). Anyway at the very least it would be good to hear your opinion on it. Cheers to all of you guys/gals there

Frankly Jazza is me when it comes to Warhammer, I think it's cool and I have built and painted some things, but I don't really consider myself 'into it'. I too look at the reveals and go "oh sick, it's guns. Those are neat" and "oh cool, these guys are wide!" So that's comforting to me.

Conquest Last Argument of Kings is always there for you! As a person who enjoys playing games, does that make me a game tourist?

This just reminds me of the first time i went to a gameshop to learn magic the gathering from a friend sadly even the store owners and employees also had that air of if you dont know all these different things about bits of the game your useless and wasting everyones time then another when i went to learn about warhammer at a different shop had similar people

This type of term usage is terrible for every hobby. I started with this hobby around 2021, when the new edition of Kill Team was released. I think I had two incidents where somebody tried to gatekeep me because I seemed to have made a big Lore mistake. Kit-bashed 3 Battle Sisters with Daemonettes and Daughters of Khaine bits. It was the rule of cool for me, but I did manage to “offend” another customer of a GW store as I proudly presented my first kit bash.

He honest jazza- you wanted to talk about this so you could wear that Hawaiian shirt on camera

OH MY GOD, the single frame of BABY DAVE WAS WILD at 15:00 minutes

Gotta do a bit of gatekeeping or whats stopping bigots running wild? You wouldn't want your store full of them and youd have serve them with a smile 😅. Same as you wouldn't want guys turning up to girl only game days, youd have to gatekeep or youre just gonna be a doormat for worse people. I get what youre saying though, its just a bit more complicated than expressed here.

"When I was just starting high school I found a White Dwarf in a thrift shop" I had that one... "These were the golden days" ..oh, I'm OldHammer 😅

I’ve only been doing warhammer for a few years. I barely play because I collect feudal guard, kitbash all models including chaff, and paint so slowly. It feels like I make a unit a year, so I feel like a tourist

I really don't understand why some would care about how invested someone else is into a hobby??? What is this, a cult? People can't leave and do other things or only invest time into certain parts of the hobby? P.S Loved the coffee bit

12:28 oh that’s just adorable