I started gardening last year. It's way less expensive.

The price hike shouldn't hit us Aussies too bad, GW needs to actually have product on the shelves to raise the price on to begin with!

This is why I 3D print. 3D printers are not killing GW. GW are killing themselves

The sad and somewhat ironic thing is, if they actually reduced prices they’d probably sell a lot more. Not only would people be more inclined to buy, they might also buy more often rather than holding out for special occasions which is the case for many people now, and that’s only if they haven’t already been priced out of the hobby. Lower prices would also drive sales by reducing the financial barrier to entry to potential new players. All the constant price hikes only make the hobby that bit more inaccessible to more and more people. It’s easy to see why there has been such a boom in sales of OPR and 3D printers in recent years.

i use a 3d printer, the cheapest printer costs about 3 times as much as 1 GW kill team but after you buy it, each mini takes about 3 cents to 8 bucks depending on your resin and where you find your 3d files. meaning the printer pays for itself in like 4 or 5 prints depending on the miniature.

I wish more time allocated to explore Murray mouse milking operation

The price hike is a symptom of companies being hog tied by their shareholders. Shareholders don’t care for the wider hobby community it would seem.

This is why I 3D print. An LGS should offer catalogues of miniatures they can print for customers as a means of driving profit. More enterprising stores could even offer custom models.

My printer died after several years of use, and when I was contemplating having to buy a replacement, I realized that if I only printed 8 characters, I'll already be saving money.

Yeah the models were already too expensive as it was and as an example 34 usd just for 1 Castellon crowe of the grey knights, Like I get you have to pay the sculptors And have to pay for materials But they could have sold it for like 15 USD max And they still would have made plenty of profit And also 63 usd For a strike squad And it only comes with 5 units n a few extra parts Really glad my brother is printing my army For me because I'm not trying to spend 2 grand Same with my sisters of battle and my Eventual Dornian heresy iron warriors each.

Big fan of legit political discourse on the nature of inflation. I'm from the UK and 10 years (Strictly speaking, I'd argue 12, broken up by a brief period where *everyone* was fucked by a need to stay inside for a few years) of austerity policies haven't altered the economic state of the country. If those at the top keep making money while prices increase, we need to do better in asking why. Good on ya!

GW's pricing is hurting themselves. They could be making as much, if not more money if they priced themselves more accessibly. There was a time when it wasn't uncommon for people to have huge armies and multiples of them. It is no surprise that players started to specialize and churn their armies more as pricing increased. What the company would lose in profit per say, they would make up for in total volume of sales. Prices scare people away but give people a price they are happy with and they will gobble up your product.

Resin 3d printers be looking good. 1L of expensive high quality resin or 1 box of Intersessors

As a "nordic" the conversion rate from the pound means that BEFORE these hikes, prices have gone up around 10% and now we're getting ANOTHER 14% price increase...

Absolutely LOVED the deep dive into the different kind of box sets that have come out over the last decade or so, and with PICTURES! I'm personally really interested in different "sets" etc that have come out over the years and always find the research into "what actually happened" and prices etc quite hard to find. Thanks for doing such a thorough job. Really enjoying the new chatty theme of the weekly vids

This is why 3D printing is SOOOOOOO much more cost effective in the long run. There are so many talented artists out there that make awesome, sometimes better, designs. It's a shame but it's time for people to cast their votes with their dollars.

Would be sweet if content creators pushed other miniatures games. I know they don't get much views as Warhammer but I'm kinda over how expensive Warhammer is getting.. Frostgrave is pretty cool 🤷🏼

3D Printer goes brrrrrrrt :D

Ah yes, the army boxes, when you finally get your Astra Militarum codex but the official release is 3 months later and the new edition months after that. SO much fun.

This is why you should never trust a publically traded company. They believe their only obligation is to their shareholders, and they believe they have to always increase that profit margin over everything else.

This is probably the turning point for me to convince myself that resin is indeed worth the hassle.

I am fairly sure that the composition for the Jumpack Lord battalion box is entirely "We have to include Raptors with the jumplord, but we can't include anyone else with power armour or people will realise how out of scale they are so we'll just whack a bunch of cultists instead"

_"GW is raising their prizes to their highest point yet! This comes as a complete shock!_ _In other news; water is wet, the sky is blue and corporations are not run by people, but spreadsheets."_

Mind you, I started collecting Warhammer 40K some 30 years ago in the 1990's and I stopped in 2004 when they made most of my Orks and Tyranids obsolete. I only recently came back with some Kill Team, Mechanicus, Knights, a Stompa, Morkanaut, Gorkanaut, and Legion box last year, after a 19 year break.

I appreciate the time and effort put into this discussion. You all did a great job! You even worked hard to find positive points for each kind of box!

Just got a new Creality large FDM printer for terrain as well as a large Anycubic resin printer for figures ❤️❤️❤️

No point in buying GW miniatures when you can print and proxy for a fraction of the cost.

I miss the old Megaforces and Battleforces - they felt like epic sets when I saw them on the shelves and were just packed with minis.

3D printer goes BRRRR!

The Dread Talons box is actually perfect for me because the cultists, accursed cultists, and dark commune are the three kits you need to make a chaos cults kill team. That plus wanting to add a bunch of warp talons and raptors puts me in a unique position of wanting everything in the box. I doubt many people are with me on that.

i think the biggest thing about the clash boxes is watching the shrinkflation in the amount you actually receive. Look at Eldritch Omens compared to anything the year before. There's like nothing in it?

I'd love to hear your opinions about narrative campaigns, campaign systems. The thing that made me fall in love with wargaming was The Battle for Karak Eight Peaks campaign, the mix of story and hobbying and gaming, and it's my favorite thing about Warcry as well, the fantastic narrative content they put out, especially in first edition, and although I don't play 40k, Dawn of War: Dark Crusade is often reinstalled to scratch the itch with that campaign system it has. Then, there's the old General's Compendium, which is probably the best book GW ever released. Would be fun to hear if you have any memories, thoughts on this.

I don't buy a lot from GW these days, trying to play and paint with other ranges. But the crazy Australian prices and double dipping on 'inflation' is just pricing me out of them altogether. I would have loved to get into Old World, but I tallied up what I would need to spend and it exceeded what I spent on every other range the year before. 😢

Dawnbringers: Daughters of Khaine - Krethusa's Cronehost springs immediately to mind. One incredible new character mini that everyone wants to build and paint, lumped into a £65 box with 10 sisters of slaughter and 5 Doomfire Warlocks, both of which are units with models that are over ten years old now. It's arguable that the price means you're effectively getting the Warlocks for free, but they're very much showing their age when set next to a sculpt as striking as Krethusa.

GW had special minis for big boxes since Warhammer Fantasy 6th ed. There was a Wood Elves and Warriors of Chaos army boxes. The battle standard bearers for those two boxes were exclusive from those boxes.

Gonna keep buying 3D prints and scratch bashing, and supporting my FLGS with table time for OPR.

They did the same thing with boxes back in the 90s - I got the start of my WHFB chaos army by buying the remnants of a couple of these kind of boxes after the new kits had been pulled out and sold separately to folks with existing armies

For me it's simple: Vote with your wallet. Don't buy GW. I can excuse GW on other issues (like lack of stock or change in their portfolio) but price hike is unexcusable. So I decided to keep only Old World/MESBG from GW and sell my AoS and WH40K stuff.

My wife just told me I can't drive to Gippsland and buy another (3) Kroot box.

Cadia Stands and the Astra Militarum update came out so late in 9th that I never got to play my guard with their codex rules that edition before 10th edition.

Another bigger box thing that GW did for a while was the odd side game boxes. Some like Deathwatch Overkill and Speed Freeks came out with all new models. Others were odd pairings. I remember a Knight v Knight box and a Hellions v Reavers box. These boxes seem like a way to move minis with odd rules thrown in. Shadowwar Armageddon was an odd one that had Scouts v Orks with new terrain. I don't know if anyone plays these side games. They seem like product tests.

The price hike sucks but I'll live, shoutout to ebay secondhands, but what annoys me most is how GW keeps making the hobby more and more inaccessible. A solid 99% of people become hobbiests through GWs games and this stuff doesn't so much hit the whales, or the people who know the deal laylines, or the guys with a printer, as much as make it tighter and harder to get into. This want for infinite shareholder pleasing growth is an unsustainable illusion and sooner or later there's just gonna be a cutoff, it stifles *actual* growth.

In the last 12 months I have seen my wholesale cost of MTG go up by about 13%, and have had to eat that cost as the online sellers in Australia cut the hell out of the price, Starwars legion up by 10%, GW well they are my only supplier that has increased my discount so my wholesale price in down 3% over the last 12 months.

The Sunny coffee bit is peak 🔥

GW have not effectively taken action to keep prices down, they have taken action to keep revenue growth on track without additional supply. They expand their stock storage but not expanding manufacturing. They have a few factories in the uk but that’s pretty much it. They could open manufacturing branches other parts of the world (Mexico, Japan, Australia and so on), which could start out on a small scale focusing on limited releases/local preorders and high demand models in the local markets. For example when North America had no warhounds for months these smaller plants could have printed those models until additional supply could be allocated. It would also allow games workshop to avoid import fees to countries like Australia and New Zealand. Countries that have regularly experienced economic landscapes where it’s cheaper to buy directly from British retailers than to walk 15 minutes to the local discount game store. That’s simply because the mark up on warhammer in Australia not only covers import fees but generates profit. But they will never do this because that would mean investing money into a system that wouldn’t let them price gouge in demand models or the foreign markets. They don’t value the hobby supporters they value the consumers. It seems the company needs a complete change of leadership if it expects to continue growing or remaining profitable in the face of emerging technologies and competitors.

This episode with the skit start and news segment absolutely reminded me of good game. Nailed it 10/10, no further comments.

love you guys for being so clear eyed about companies driving inflation while also talking like they're part of the community.

One of the problems with flyers this edition is the scaling down of the battlefield. We used to play on 6x4 tables, giving flyers room to maneuver and be interacted with. This edion came with a shrunk-down play area, and flyers go too damn fast to be useful on a smaller scaled battlefield. The scale of the game is too small to make aircraft work.

This is why I play systems where I pay around 1,5 usd for a miniature (and I'm from a mid-poor EU country). It's awesome to hear you talk about non-GW stuff.

What really frustrates me with the price changes is that they increase the prices in Norway where I live a lot more than in the rest of Europe. Regarding boxes I think boxes with just one new charcter is a big pain, and truely done just to get more profit. But I sot of like the boxes where you get one faction and all the new stuff like they did with the new Cadians and with the Leagues of Votann (and with Old World too, even though I had to wait quite a long time to get a box of Bretonnians).

Definitely want to hear more topics like this. It would also be good to hear about companies with a more positive approach to market behaviour; good value for money, respect for customers, etc.

Just play the edition you like now or switch to OPR now. Use any mini you want from any range and don't support them unless you can afford or can't live without that model (I was with 1st edition warcry). Hey guys make OPR collaborate with your space bears/drop bears and do another release . I'd definitely support you guys for one of those.

The Kroot pack alligned well with me. I started collecting when Farsight was more restrictive, and said no to all the auxulariies. I only had 1 box of the old Kroot, so the new is great additions to me!

Coming from the same general, I always found it so difficult to find a game store, between your store and one down in Bass coast (which is gone now too). It's awful to hear such finite havens in rural areas are starting to close 😢

The only saving grace in the world of Warhammer is that the models don't devalue at the rate of other similar hobbies. Having said that, them sunsetting the AoS stuff may change my mind on this, as my concern that this "Anti-Bloat" tactic is actually just another way of bleeding people's wallets faster than they normally would obtain a new army.

0:33 did he load that with his own bull-milk? 😅 This is great content!!!

What are your opinions on Conquest from Para Bellum? Got hooked into it this year and been having a good time! The only problem I have is with my country custom fees, that are ridiculously high

Miss the days when your characters came in their own box and this battlion/combat patrol boxs (of ever shrinking number of models btw) where battleforce boxs that had enough for a small 750pt army or where great expansion boxs examples like the chaos/space marine boxs would have 30 marines and a vehicle orks and eldar had similar that started at like £50 and you could see and feel the savings and were great for more niche formations like Ravenwing and Saim Hann. Its a shame they stopped it has these would of been great for all these new sub factions and such and would take away these demand issues and scalping of these new army boxs.

I remember when shadowspear came out, I was camping and saw the awesome chaos minis and decided I was gonna make my own Warhammer TTRPG for some reason because of it

what's the chance that more hobby store start to propose a printing service to survive?

I got Blood of the Phoenix, Prophecy of the Wolf, Piety and Pain, Hexfire (which came with two of the new sorcerer models but no Castellan Crowe), I bought the cults half of Shadow Throne for cheap on ebay. I liked the two army boxes especially if they didn't have space marines as you got two sample armies to paint and play. For the Army boxes, I got the Black Templar and retired my Space Wolves as they are mostly firstborn and used them with the Indomitus and Leviathan SMs. I've always liked Black Templars since 3rd edition when my 10 year old son painted all the marines as Ultras (heresy!). But, there are a lot of BT Army boxes at my local LGS! I usually look forward to the Christmas boxes. I'm hoping for a new Orruk one that 'ardboyz instead of the Kruleboyz.

Can we see more of the rat darm of Murrays? What are they called? Murrats? Murrat milk farm sounds cool.

Aussies are already hit with a 50+% tariff on gw products comparing exchange rates on sale prices. I understand there are more costs to get them to Australia from the UK but the prices are already obscene on them.

Over the last few weeks they've also had a mass exodus of subscriptions. Its quite the coincidence their prices went up at the same time....They have completely disconnected from the community for profit, what a shame.

What’s worse than the price hikes is the fact that GW also charges 20% extra for Australian’s compared to getting them in the UK or anything

Coming in a couple months later to say the trend with the Battleforce boxes is definitely continuing with the upcoming Imperial Agents Codex. Except it's even worse this time around because they're making 3 Battleforce boxes and ALL of the models in each of the boxes are either from Kill Team or other previous releases, with the exception of the Malleus which is getting ONE new model in the form of a resculpt of Inquisitor Coteaz. This last point is just my own opinion here, so take it or leave it but, the previous sculpt of Coteaz was better than the new one.

said this 15-20 years ago during the Tom Kirby era. Dropped 40k/WHFM and went to HH. Once Mr Bligh sadly passed away and mainline GW got their hands on HH I dropped it also. Stopped buying the HH novels and 40k books also. The only thing I want to get my hands on are the HH1.0 BBB's so I can play with a finish system and enjoy my admech and titans stomping stuff. GW sold their soul to the dividend's/ shareholds two decades ago. They weren't even subtle about it back then.

I actually like the idea of the clash boxes, as standlone armies, the short narrative campaigns

This is just really frustrating, im supposed to be going with my mom in july to grapevine texas where theres a warhammer cafe but now i feel like i should go buy a bunch now

We a f***ed in Straya then. We already pay some of the highest prices in the world for GW products.

Bern collecting and playing CSM since 2e. The last new models I bought were big Abby and Harkon Worldclaimer and they're still sealed in their shrink wrap.

After having watched : I agree with the fear! I'm definitly interested in new eldar and orks model, but I sure as hell won't put the money in a huge box just to get the one or two among the swarm of old kits --' However, following the confrontation boxes, I'm really happy with the recent Kill team megabox : Nightmare is really nice, you can stil resell the half you don't care about, plus you get some sweet terrain ^^ looking forward to Termination in a few month as well !

I appreciate the less GW favourable discussion around the price hike. It's absurd. I don't know about your local area, but in my area of australia the 3d print and recast armies are just becoming more and more common. It sucks, especially for supporting local stores, but it's pricing people out of the game and they're going for any option that works for their wallets. With actual cost of living increases, I can't say I look at a $60 32mm character with anything less than disgust.

Did Murray say " Bollocks "? 😂

The pricing thing is insane, but honestly, I'm a fan of the battalion boxes. I can freely ignore them if I have too many things that I don't want, but if there are things I want in there, I get a bunch of discounted models, causing the prices to go to 'unreasonably expensive' down from 'holy f***' expensive. and if there is an extra squad of stuff I don't want, using it for bits, or tossing it to a friend to get them into the game, or allowing me to do weird things with models I didn't really need is neat.

Here in Canada with the price increase a combat patrol will cost 200$ after the price increase and that's before taxes

Once again, GW jump ahead of inflation FASTER than inflation! Lol, the vyper jetbike at 27 years is the oldest plastic kit they sell for 40k, and the falcon grav tank is only four months younger than that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain no other army even has a model from last millenium!

Have you guys played Malifaux yet?

I think you're doing the boxed sets a bit dirty by focusing on them as a long time player. They're not meant for that type of player. They are meant to get new players or for someone to start a new army. For those people these boxes are a steal. As you say, the models come out on their own after a month or two so you're complaint about those boxes really is "I want it now". At least that's how I'm viewing it. My wife and I have only started playing recently, she plays sisters and I play Votann and these type of boxes have been great for us because of their value.

I just went and looked it up... The Veterans of the long war box is on pre-order this weekend and GW wants $390AUD for it. I'm fairly new to this hobby as a break from my way more expensive main hobby and I was considering that as a base for my first army, but any interest in GW's games or their plastic has just evaporated. I'll finish off what I have and then I'll buy a 3d printer.

One thing that went unmentioned in regards to the box set, is stuff like Dark Imperium which have exclusive sculpts for models. This is especially annoying as the standard pox walker kit still has half a Dark Imperium plague marine in it which is incompatible with the standard plague marines.

Will you guys fully condemn Games Workshop for their constant price gouging, pricing out potential customers, gaslighting and other anti consumer behavior?

GW: Rises prices in Norway a 14% Norwegians: Looks like it's time to raid Britain again

While I love these info/chatting to us video, I miss the painting videos from you guys, I love your painting style and wanna see more about all the armies you’ve been making up, either way, keep up the great work

gonna be honest here, other than updated sculpts, chaos didnt really need anything new. the chaos lord and jump pack lord were released to keep closer to the "if it has a model it will have rules, if not its removed" theme they seem to be going with. the model releases are just a path to giving rules back into the codex the boxes are aimed at people who are new to the game and want to bulk out their army. if you have been playing for more than a few years, you have multiple chaos lords and jump pack lords. if you havent been playing for more than a few years its likely most of those models will find a place in your army. they have a current chaos lord sculpt as well as harken so neither model is out of reach for players who need an alternative to making something to use as their new models

There is a way to fix that to fix the problem of games workshop gouging you and taking all of your money. I guarantee you if you buy a 3-D printer and learn how to 3-D print and model and then go find the SDL files online and yes they are there. You can save a lot of money and that damn printer will pay for itself probably within a year or two, and that will send a message to workshop since they’re not getting any money from you.

ah and there's another great reason to get the spacebears STL packs and in general get into 3D printing

Box i got recently was the Auxilia battle force, you save like $220 nzd.

They've been doing army launch boxes for as long as I can remember! I know I had a 6th edition Fantasy Ogres and Brettonian boxes. But I do agree that paywalling, and the GW scalping and money grabbing is absolute bollocks

I can't really get people into Warhammer like I used to 10 years ago. Points costs of armies drop while the costs increase and it leads to a very exclusive customer base.

Did you get the reference?

I struggle to justify any purchase in a GW store, save for the odd pot of paint. A purchase from a discount store (even postal, in some cases) provides "free" paint or modelling supplies or actually models if spending a ton or so. It would be great if you could do a secret handshake in a GW store to get the discount.......

I have collected a skaven since I started the hobby, I have a fantasy army and my bloodbowl team. I am very excited about them having some new releases but I do wonder if I am going to be able to afford them :(

As someone whos been working on guard for a min though i have only joined the hobby recently i can see people being annoyed when they have one model and its in a expensive box set its why ive been focusing on models i know i can get in single boxes

I have plans to 3D print a Death Guard army because I just cant justify spending what id have to for all the official models. I’ll probably get Mortarian but used on ebay most likely. GW’s prices aren’t impossible to stomach for your first or even second army. It after that things get unbearable

I generally only print alternative models when I think they are cooler than the GW sculpts, which is not often....But I think it's time to make a shift.

Hmm... Portal Games declared a new Neuroshima RPG on 5ed rules - which may mean opening into markets out of Poland. Maybe they come back to Neuroshima Tactics? That will be neat! Apart from that Neuroshima Hex is a great game anyway.

My solution to this is quite simply that I took stock of my pile of shame, realized I'll probably die with a backlog, and forever lost the desire to buy into GW's FOMO boxes. I have zero problems waiting a few months for a new character to be released on its own because chances are if I get the new army box, by the time I actually get around to painting that new model I really badly wanted, it's already available on its own anyway. Just ask yourself that - yeah, you want that one cool thing, but how long is it going to take for you to actually have it on the table?

man, the singular new units in boxes that are over 100 euros just make my go to a resin printer nearby and just buy the STL and print it for a fraction of the cost.

The crazy thing about the Soul forge box was literally a year later they dropped brand new Death Wing making these old ones obsolete