I think the best way to describe these groups is that "they've peaked". I know it usually has a negative connotation, but I've learned to think of it as a natural progression, even for my own faves. There's always a chance of resurgence, but we don't know that yet.

I miss Nct’s older title tracks. Simon says, regular and cherry bomb were my jam. I danced to them as exercise haha

Chungha is having problems with her company, so it makes sense if it's affecting her music. She wants to do stuff but they don't let her do it or delay it, and I think it's a pity that she's "declining", like she's fading and getting behind all the new acts (Ive, Ssera etc) maybe if something change she can get that hype again.

Blackpink's case for me was actually hard. When I first discovered them, I was impressed with everything and I would list to their music all the time. But then I noticed how long it takes them to release music and how little they actually release, how they actually don't have the best discography or stage presence and how their skills are overhyped for position they had in industry. They had little to no improvements in everything.

You can’t look at the competition and say your going to do it better. You have to look at the competition and say your going to do it differently. ~SJ , that’s why I feel groups like lsfm and billlie r thriving. They’re bringing something new.

I think you're so right about Chungha! A lot of solo artists get left out of the conversation when it comes to "falling off" in favor of groups, but I think it's a pretty common occurrence with them. I've noticed a lot of solo artists go viral with one really good song and then struggle to keep up the hype. Honestly it's not Chungha's fault that Gogta Go was so immaculate lol.

People say a group is falling off just to say it to demote the groups they don’t like while not knowing that this could damage their favs as well like any thing negative that you say that doesn’t make any sense they will associate your fav with you hence why people think certain fandoms are toxic 😭

For me there are only 2 ITZY releases that are absolutely horrible and that's Sneakers and Boys Like You, I do believe that there is a notable decline in the quality of their music and it's looking to be detrimental to the group's popularity and impact however as they are my only Ults I still have faith that they can bounce back from the garbage that was their Korean and English releases this year. (NB. Voltage and Blah Blah Blah are masterpieces and I will defend them until my dying day)

I’m a big loona fan and love their discography a lot but they absolutely are the best example of a group that fell off. It really makes me sad because you used to be able to expect that they would do something new, fun, refreshing, and still be a bop, but now their music just isn’t the same at all. I enjoyed the bsides on their recent album but I’ve noticed that even the bsides have slowly regressed the past few albums

Imagine wasting Mamamoo... It's not even that I dislike their latest releases, I just don't hear about them! I've seen no promotion for their recent releases, and literally only found the songs by searching mamamoo on YT. It has to be deliberate, because no company fumbles the bag this badly

Mamamoo went from making jazz/swing with crazy fun vocals to whatever we have now. They had the formula down but decided to abandon it. One artist I'm concerned for is Yena. Waiting until her next comeback since that will solidify her direction going forward for me. Really hoping she maintains her quality.

Mamamoo is one of the groups that got me into kpop (Starry Night). I still adore many of their releases, but for me, the music post-contract renewal has felt somewhat soulless. Mamamoo were on the cusp of something amazing when Hip became a massive hit. However the results of songs after that have not been great. Where are we Now is a beautiful song, but ballads are easily forgotten in the fast-paced kpop world. The reception to Dingga, Aya, mumumumuch and Ilella have been pretty lukewarm. The last time the kpop community as a whole truly got excited over a Mamamoo song was Wanna Be Myself back in 2020, a song for a commercial. Mamamoo to RBW is what BTS is to Bighit. Imagine 2019 Bighit investing in Txt instead of pushing BTS further forward. Makes no sense right? That is what RBW did/is doing. The money is going towards Oneus and Purplekiss, who are not showing Mamamoo numbers (as expected). RBW is going to have a horrible realisation if all the members decide to leave the company next year.

The direction of NCT comebacks recently seems to be: trigger people on the first release and then reel them back with the repackage. Hot Sauce & Glitch Mode vs Hello Future & Beatbox. Kick It & Sticker vs Punch & Favorite. Just have to wait for the repackage of 2Baddies. They release the experimental music first, then come back to their original sound with the repackage. I appreciate their constant effort to push the boundaries of music

Personally, I've really liked all of Itzy's releases until Loco - Loco was the first that didn't quite hit the way the others before did. I really had hoped they'd start to drop the strict teen crush theme from MITM onwards, bc I really enjoyed them in that harder, darker concept. Now, idk what the hell sneakers and boys like you were, but their last Japanese release was a bop, so personally, I still have hope for them.

Mainstream popularity or hype cannot be equated to good/bad music

I don’t agree with the NCT one really. They’re really misunderstood, the dudes have been putting out music that sounds like this since the v start like fire truck and Mad dog so really it’s part of their identity as a group. They released sticker and then released Favorite in the same year back to back. The Bsides also maintain the same quality if not getting better and better like goldust or designer (they both came out of 2Baddies) this is Neo Culture Technology it is a balance of really astringent electronic music and heavenly R&B goodness.

Pretty sure that the term "falling off" is more used to refer to popularity rather than music quality. As far as I'm concerned, Itzy's music quality hasn't actually dropped, it just became different and some people can't get used it. They haven't fallen off.

As someone who has been a Kpop fan since 2nd gen, this is my thought. The only groups/singer that rarely fell of are the ones who are heavily involved in producing and writing their music, and knew the music industry play. For example, Bigbang, BTS, Winner, Seventeen, Gidle, IU, Zico, and JayPark. I just hope Lesserafim would be one of these people. Yunjin seems very passionate about music. Raise Your Glass is really a good song. And I see Yunjin involvement in their comback album, as well as Sakura. I hope they could follow BTS path, which is heavily involved in their craft.

I agree with almost everything you said, but I don't really think nct 127 is falling off, the way i see it they're just getting more into their "neo" sound, which is more experimental, I agree not everyone is going to like it, however sticker is very interesting (musically speaking) and it's literally their tt with the most wins. Superhuman, boss, touch, these songs are great as well so it just goes to show that nct can pull off literally any genre and concept cause no other group could actually sing something like sticker imo (and I say this as a multistan) 😀😀

I was actually having this conversation about blackpink the other day... here's a snip of it "hear me out. I feel like blackpink blew up so fast that even as a senior group their performances feel rookie level. They don't have a big enough discog or as many performances/appearances as groups younger than them so sometimes their comebacks or even their presence in lives/shows feels like they're still fresh and navigating the waters of the industry. They grew so fast that people put them on a pedestal before they were ready. I absolutely love them and will continue to support but this is how I feel"

Personally I’m a moomoo, and I totally love their music, especially their solo music! But I totally respect your opinion about their music.

I like what you mentioned at the end and would love to see a video about groups that “fell off” but were able to come back later on in their career

I think it's quite sad how quickly 4th gen groups are peaking then declining. There are groups from 3rd gen groups like Seventeen and 2nd gen like Super Junior who are consistently making good music and have been in the industry for years and their popularity is relatively stable. It just goes to show how shallow some conpany are when dealing with their new groups. They focus on dancing rather them making songs that are unforgettable and age like wine and so this trend isn't surprising

In Mamamoo's case, I think they're at a point in their careers where they're just making music they enjoy and don't really try to make huge hits, because they have nothing to prove anymore and they just want to have fun and release stuff for themselves and their fans. Idk I could be wrong/delusional but it's the vibe I get from them

the thing w dreamcatcher is that when ppl say they've fallen off, is because they don't like how they walked away from a more recognizeable rock sound that they debuted with, but didn't give them any noticeable growth compared to deja vu and thereafter. i see the divide as between 2 different eras: struggle era and 3rd gen shine era. they renewed their contracts today and honestly back during deja vu i really thought after losing to everglow, that it was it, no more, the company is gonna drop them. so i very much get why they left their older sound behind took more from their b-sides than usual. it has just caused a rift between fans who think that dc has fallen off the SECOND they got a win and way more recognition in the industry. that's telling .... all i can say is, where the fuck were y'all complainers at when they had the sound y'all 'wanted'???

Sunmi has the same problem you mentioned Chungha having - Sunmi has never recaptured the magic of Gashina, and I honestly don't think she will because Gashina is just so good. I discovered Sunmi and Wonder Girls when Gashina was released, and listened to all of Sunmi's releases after that because I loved Gashina. She has some decent releases but I didn't even bother listening to Tail or Heart Burn the whole way through. They're just not good imo. Hearing Sunmi turned down Love Dive... Why?! It wouldn't have been as popular as Ive releasing it, but it would have been Sunmi's best release since Gashina. Knowing that Sunmi makes decisions like that, choosing Heart Burn over Love Dive, no wonder she hasn't been as popular lately

i feel like with 127 it's pretty obvious that they're continuing down this rode because sticker & 2 baddies were so damn sucsessful, and for a reason that is. their sales cannot be compared to let's say superhuman or limitless with the latests two. to me, their sound has evolved in a good way, and other nctzen's seem to like it, so ig that's all the producers need.

It's always so interesting to see others' opinions cause for me Sticker is probably my favorite tt from NCT127. And even though I was cringing at the 2 baddies chorus lyrics, I really enjoyed the entire song as a whole. It's always so great watching your videos because you make such interesting points and it never feels like conflicting opinions are unwelcome here.

To me it's probably Blackpink and Itzy. Like the last Korean title track I actually liked was Not Shy, and Dalla Dalla actually aged badly to me, which mean the only title tracks of Itzy that I like is Icy, Wannabe and Not Shy, with a special notice to the English version of Loco. I do not like the Korean version, but the English version surprisingly slaps hard for me. Regarding Blackpink Kill this love was a good song, however it was very repetitive, I absolutely love Lovesick Girls, it is my favorite title track of their's, and Ready to love is also a good song, however just like Kill this love it's very repetitive and therefore I found it quickly boring. Songs like Ice-cream, How You like that, Pink Venom and Shut down, I do not care for what so ever, and normally I wouldn't consider b-sides to be part of it, however I have listened to all their b-sides, and I like (some I love) all their b-sides, until the Album. I only like three songs on the Album including Lovesick girls, and with Born Pink I only listen to Ready to love. And honestly this entire thing with YG first deciding to give them solos, then suddenly decided that two songs is enough to be considered an album is absolutely laughable to me. I like Jennie's Solo, Rosé On the ground and Lisa's Money, however I'm not in love with any of the songs, and it doesn't feel like we are getting the quality of music we should be getting from them considering their status, company and the amount of years they have been in the industry. And lastly there's the lyrics. Sometimes they are plain mad, I can't remember if it was in Pink Venom or Shut it down, where's the lyrics about them never being gone or something like that was in, and that was just YG using Blackpink to plain and simple disrespect their own fandom. Also the lyrics doesn't really feel person to Blackpink at all. Theirs little to non personality or felling of the individual girls, and you could easily just give the songs to another girlgroup, because there's really nothing that makes them feel special. Edit. Also why was there a random Rosé solo on Born Pink, like they could literally had released it on her own solo "album"

As someone who appreciates NCT for doing things out the norm and whether people call it noise music or experimental, I say they are one of the gems in kpop.

I really can’t agree with your opinion on nct 127, sticker was truly brilliant in my opinion, I understand that for a lot of people it was jarring but personally it’s been a banger from the start for me, not to mention the amount of wins that song has are insane, it even got them a daesang! I think nct is tapping into the ‘if u get it u get it, if you don’t then u don’t’ realm and it’s very smart because their music is gaining a very devoted following from a certain niche. After sticker, favourite (vampire) was objectively amazing, it’s r&b goodness that served v o c a l s ✨✨ 2 baddies was again unique enough to create a genre of itself without being deemed as ‘noise music’. All in all, I really don’t think it’s fair to assume that the quality of next’s music has dropped when all the songs have been extremely well developed

As someone who’s been a 127 stan for a long time, I feel like they’ve always made polarizing songs. I remember Fire Truck, Simon Says, Punch, and Wakey Wakey coming out and people hated them, said the whole “noise music” thing and whatever. Sticker and 2 Baddies are just the polarizing comebacks but having Favorite in between was like the palate cleanser so I think it’s just part of their cycle. So they’ve never been on my radar for falling off but I also own up to loving trashy music like 2 Baddies. I also feel like Chungha’s just been doing her thing. The only title track of hers I didn’t like recently was Play but I’m obsessed with Bicycle and Sparkling. For me, she pulls off so many sounds well because of her confidence and commitment to them - she never half asses a concept.

I don't however get when people say BTS fell off. I can understand not liking their English Tracks (except peak perfection Queen Butter) but it doesn't feel like their quality in songs have deteriorated including their tt

N in NCT 127 is Neo so they will continue to release neo musics and I am here for it!! I really enjoyed Sticker and 2 baddies in the first listening fr. When I listened Sticker for the firt time I was already jamming in the first second. I love the flute sound. Moreover all their bsides are BOP like I love their sound and their songs! I don't want them to change what they do.

tbh with your point about sticker fans not accepting that people dislike the song, I feel it’s the opposite. From my personal experience, people have a harder time accepting that people DO like the song and I’m honestly tired of being told that I’m lying to myself about liking a SONG. No one has to justify why they like a song, we stream and talk about sticker bcz we love it! Nct, and particularly 127, are known for their “neo” sound, just look at cherry bomb, Simon says and fire truck. It’s not for everyone, but many people enjoy it and they do it damn well💚 - also, sticker is objectively one of their most successful cb’s/ songs, if not THE most successful

I actually enjoyed Illella the song more than the MV because it didn't have that super disjointed dance break in the middle of it. So glad they kept it off the actual track. The dance break completely disrupted the flow of the song.

honestly, as a music student, i believe the best way to judge music is by analyzing if it fits what is proposes to be and if it's effective on doing what it wants to do. not every song is about deep meanings and groundbreaking production, sometimes it's about fun or performance or making the listener feel a certain way. in that sense, i believe blackpink should get more recognition for being able to make music that makes so many people (specially women) feel great about themselves and confident enough to dance. beyond lyrics and producing and anything else, their music is about creating certain types of feelings in people. and that's definitely not something easy to do. i think that they are what they want to be and their music works the way it's supposed to, not just cause of the music but because of the girls' personalities and presence as well. an artist doesn't manage to get as big as they did and still are doing without having something special, privillege gives you a good mark to start but it doesn't take you all the way there.

For me, it's absolutely baffling how Itzy went from "I'm the Mafia" to "Puuuuuut my sneeeeeaaaakers ooooooon! One, two, ready, get set go!" As for NCT127: I have nothing to say of them. I use Sticker as alarm clock as I jump off instantly to turn it off as soon as it starts. And The Fact that they released a title track in which they pronounced the key part of the chorus wrong! The 'e' is pronounced! It's a short 'e', Porsche is a German Family Name and Germans pronounce the letters they write! We don't write letters that we don't pronounce, that's the thing of English and French speakers. Another group where I see a decline is BTS if I'm being honest. This has been said countless times, both justified and unjustified, but that's my honest perspective. The last good song BTS released was Suga's Solo, Daechwita and for group releases it was On. The other songs were uncreative and uninspired as well as just such an obvious attempt to get a Grammy and fully land in the western Main Stream that I guess it was unavoidable. The lyrics have no depth (I'll just say: 'Smooth like Butter, pull you in like no other, don't need no usher, to remind me you got it bad, Ain't no other, that can sweep you up like a robber, straight up, I got ya, Making you fall like that') and if they do, it doesn't even come close to their old masterpieces. The songs are full of autotune that makes the members' voices sound all the same and... I didn't recognise RM's voice in Pt(S)D, how did they even do that??? I'm not going to say anything more about the topic. Even their fans seem to know deep down that the songs are bad, otherwise they wouldn't scream "(insert any BTS song from after Daechwita) is a gift from BTS to ARMY! Ewewewewew!" as if that changed anything. If you can't even find points that make those songs good and have to rely on them supposedly being a gift to argue in favour of them then maybe, just maybe, you should just take the option into consideration that the songs just aren't good.

When it comes to Mamamoo, I will have to disagree. I wouldn't say they fell off. More that they are not growing as much anymore. When it comes to their solos, it is really close to their personal colours. Wheein's music is very for the Korean taste. Especially their Indie-pop/R&B that they have been liking for a while. I wouldn't say thay it's just like BOL4, but it's in that realm. Moonbyul's music is closer to her personal tastes as well. While I prefer the darker and earlier releases, the music is really her. It makes sense that Hwasa’s seems better because the production and genre fit both international and domestic preferences. I will agree with AYA. It flopped even in Korea which is their main bastillon of listeners. But, Mamamoo's recent comeback is literally very similar to the GOGOBEBE/HIP era. And, as far as numbers/sales go, they are the most stable. I do not think that MAMAMOO fell off. I'd argue that some people probably don't vibe with them. If anything, they are one of the groups with the most stable fanbase (like the ratio between fan departures, OG fand and new fans). AYA was that one song that was a miss. I will agree to that.

Thank you for your honest video! Speaking personally, I disagree about Mamamoo. There’s been a fall off in quantity (the last two mini-albums have only had seven songs between them) and frequency, but not in quality. The last three mini-albums (Travel, WAW, MIC ON) are full of music that I can’t get enough of. I think it’s important to remember that the title tracks by themselves can give a misleading impression of a group’s musical trajectory. For me, and especially for a group like Mamamoo, the B-sides are just as important (and there are a lot more of them). The two B-sides on the latest comeback (1,2,3 Eoi! and L.I.E.C) are pure fire 🔥 for me. I can’t get enough of them, either listening to the mini-album on repeat in the car, or watching the enormously fun live stages on KZfaq. Respectfully, I can’t take your criticism seriously that Mamamoo’s B-sides are only worth listening to one or two times. They have about 80 B-sides on their two albums and thirteen mini-albums! If you’ve listened to them all and that’s your opinion, then fair enough (but I disagree and don’t understand 😅). If you haven’t listened to them all, then here’s a list of 30 of my favourite A-side-quality B-sides: Peppermint Chocolate, Don’t Be Happy, Gentleman, Sting (A Little Bit), Ahh Oop!, Taller Than You, My Hometown, I Miss You, Recipe, Cat Fight, Memory, I Love Too (Never Letting Go), AZE GAG, Star Wind Flower Sun, Rude Boy, Paint Me, Rainy Season, Sky! Sky!, No More Drama, Waggy, Bad Bye, Destiny, Hello Mama, Dingga, Chuck, Diamond, Wanna Be Myself, Another Day, 1,2,3 Eoi!, L.I.E.C. I’ve left out many more that I think are just as good in their own way, and I’ve left out all the solo songs and subunit songs.

For me it's BTS. I became a fan during DNA era and it wasn't even because of DNA it was because of their Bsides in the album. Not saying DNA is bad, it honestly kind of holds up, but it's not my kind of music. I absolutely loved almost every title track and most Bsides before DNA from them, especially HYYH pt1 and 2. Then Fake Love hit which I believe was the first comeback I've ever experienced (new to kpop at the time) and it was alright, but again, not crazy about it. And now to today where I just genuinely don't like Dynamite, Permission to Dance, etc. Butter is fine, though still not really my cup of tea. I listened to their Bsides in Fake Love and Boy with Love eras but I've stopped ever since. Tbh I'm sure they're still making songs that I would like, but I mostly just disappointed by a lot of their new music. I just keep replaying the old songs from them that I liked nowadays. Edit: should clarify that I literally stopped looking for their music when permission to dance first hit, so I have zero clue how a lot of their more recent stuff sounds. They might be great honestly, so I guess I shouldn't say they fell off, just that I lost interest

Imo, nct 127 didn't fell off, they never did. people would count anything as a "failure" if they dislike it. no matter how much an artist try, there will always be people who'd say they "fell off." why? because it doesn't suit their taste. I like the sound of nct 127 and they're probably my most favourite subunit out of every nct subunit. no artist sticks to one genre or concept. they constantly change as they starts to get "older." nct 127's music may have changed but it still has that neo feeling. I'm actually glad that SM is experimenting stuffs rather than sticking to one concept or genre. the main issue is, everytime they release something people say "it's trash" but later they come to like it. now people are saying cherry bomb, superhuman, limitless, simon says are masterpieces but there was a time when they used to hate these songs as well. many are saying sticker is nice but when it was released, people said "SM forgot how to produce music." imo no groups falls off. it's up to a person's taste. yes there are some songs from them which I dislike but that doesn't mean I count them as a fell off group just because it didn't suit my taste

First of all, Boss is NCT U's song and this is the first problem. Non fans, and now that I'm looking at it, and fans alike have this problem with understanding that NCT is a "divided" group, each fixed unit has their own sound. We go out of our way to stream "bad" songs but y'all won't go out of your ways to stream the "good" ones. You legit brushed over Favorite and Punch in favor of Boss, a song that's not even theirs. I absolutely love Sticker even if the flute may be a bit too much sometimes, had great raps, great vocals, and an interesting beat. I don't think I'll ever come to terms to explain how much I like what Dem Jointz has been creating with 127 (he does have Arcade with Dream too). As for 2 Baddies, it was a failure lyric wise but not in production. The bridge, breakdown, that final chorus, to me that's music Now with Superhuman, I love her, it's a personal favorite but I've come to notice she's quite disliked. That negative energy Sticker gets on the daily should be put positively over the great songs they've done but we know how k-pop stans function. Anyways 2 Baddies is definitely unbalanced but Sticker is great and I will leave on that and the fact they've managed to outdo themselves with every album they've released. 2 Baddies is Aoty, I don't make the rules.

Holy shit i agree on every group except NCT 127. i actually like and listen to Sticker and 2 baddies occasionally! And their B-side tracks are amazing

Imo Blackpink COULD have been at risk of « falling off » if the rest of the new album sounded like pink venom. But when all the songs actually dropped I was pleasantly surprised with the quality. Like you can’t convince me that songs like hard to love, shut down, typa girl, etc are bad. Maybe they aren’t for everyone but they fit perfectly with blackpink’s style and we’re actually interesting sonically. At the end of the day that’s just how I personally feel and I hope your comment section won’t become a warzone lmao.

I might be in the minority when I say I didn't like Kick it, or Punch, or Boss, but I absolutely loved Simon Says, Superhuman AND Sticker (I will not accept any sticker slander you either get it or you don't) and I even appreciated 2 Baddies for the pretentious mess that it was. I can't say NCT 127 fell off per se, they're just a group with very divisive music that tends to attract some fans and take a huge dump on others- and I respect that hustle, because although I'm not their biggest fan, I'm ALWAYS gonna tune in to what they put out.

in mamamoo opinions on their individual career the best ones are Wheein and Hwasa in my opinion and moonbyul its like rising up with her comeback lunatic it was different aND I LOVED it im actually not sure if solar cause her comeback wasnt that great i mean after spit out it was just safe

As a die hard blink, I never thought their music has fell off for me. They do what I stanned them for, I stanned them after ktl and before sour candy period. For kpop stans I can understand if they have fallen off for many people cause they have different options and groups to listen to and stan. But for me the only bad song they've put out is ice cream (I am sorry that song is terrible😭😭) other than that I still enjoy their group cbs. For their solos i fell in love with money the first time I heard it I liked it more than lalisa, and i don't like lalisa too. otg was amazing but it gets boring after a while tho i still love gone and solo is just iconic. And Blinks are going to eat up anything especially now cause they know for damn sure that if bp looses their popularity right now yg will disband them. Even in the earlier years blinks got one cb for the whole year and boycotting it wouldn't make sense cause who knows when will they get another cb. But as a group blackpink are never going to fall off for me not bcuz I am a die hard blink but bcuz their music is my taste. Blinks became blinks bcuz of this reason, so obviously they'll like what they do. And i am eagerly waiting for 2023 as to what are they gonna do. Whatever they do i don't want bp to disband cause we still havent experienced their full potential as a group. Its either they sign a better contract with yg or leave yg as a whole not just one or two members leaving.

Sis you're keeping us well-fed with these regular uploads 🙏

My main three complaints with the label "fell off" are: A) They are only basing it on their personal opinion of a song or two. Just because you personally don't like a song, doesn't mean it's not good. B) They use it on a group when their comeback numbers aren't setting records. (Lower album sales or no all-kill at a music show, stuff like that.) Sometimes, fantastic songs don't do great numbers. *cough* Dreamcatcher C) They use it because a group's comeback wasn't well-organized by the company, even though the music is really good. (No teasers, few music show performances, two sets of stage outfits, minimal album design, etc.)

ITZY, BLACKPINK, and NCT 127 didn’t fall off imo. Like you said music is subjective so people will have different opinions on who fell off. I personally liked the past 3 comebacks of BLACKPINK and NCT 127. I think if ITZY next comeback in 2023 is like sneakers or Boys Like You then they will have officially fallen off.

adios did age pretty badly dw you're not alone with that opinion

Glad to find a person who share the same thoughts that I have with NCT 127. Been a fan since their debut but lately I do not find their songs good. I always keep on going back to listen to their old songs. Yup, I love Superhuman. I felt guilty that I do not like their new releases. I still love them though and I'm waiting for another song that will make me fall in love with the group more.

You used love so sweet as the background music, nice! cherry bullet is one of my favorite groups

Appreciate the work and video, and I agree on pretty much all fronts. I hope to see these groups come back, I don't stan any of these groups, but I'd say I'm a casual listener. I haven't like a NCT 127 song since Superhuman or Highway to Heaven whichever came last but I can see they have potential, it's the same for all these groups though they work crazy hard so I hope they can come back!

JYP said that the coming itzy's comeback is their best title track and Yeji even said that's better than we expect so I have some hopes for this comeback And my prediction of next yg girlgroup is that yg will debut them before BP contract ending

the fact that the majority of your KZfaq account surrounds tearing down groups is concerning

I think it's true that you don't have to listen to a whole discography to know of you like an artist or not, the title tracks are chosen based on which represents best the artist/album's sound, so if you're not into the main track of an album, you're just simply not gonna be that interested to check out the rest, specially if it's an artist you listen to casually, for me personally, if I don't like a title track, I will only listen to the album if it's an artist I really love, but other than that, is just a no for me and that's it Edit: I thought you were gonna talk about PENTAGON, I know they are not your cup of tea, but I love them personally, I just really enjoy their music, however it would be cool to hear your perspective on them

I think this is the first time I don't agree with you on something but that's just because I love Monsta X's Love Killa haha other than that, you perfectly put into words what I've been thinking, great video! 💕

Seriously I wish Loona would do an odd eye cirlce sounding album. Odd eye circle is one of their most popular sub units.

thank god i dont feel alone in thinking money and lalisa were the worst songs ever??? like theyre SO bad

Honestly, Loco is one of the only Itzy title track that made it to my bangers playlist

Mamamoo got invited in every festival like the old times till this day,u can search the latest one..they love to perform their music that how they start..from busking at the street and now people still hunger for their concert even they on the stage a thousand time,they never miss they always served their fans,they never changed…even they don’t get popular online dont means they fall off..as a fans we love to see their enjoy being themselves as a musician,and we know the quality,the versatility ,the colours of their voice and personality will serve purely even u dont fw theirs music ..as moomos we love to see mamamoo just enjoy to make music and keep challenging in diff type of music and the message from their songs are so meaningful…and their music some to funny,some to sad,and some could be inspired to many soul..at same time we hunger for heavy vocal like old era.

this is the only place in kpop I can share my opinion without getting much hate. THANKS for making a space like this love u❤❤

I can totally see what people are saying about itzy. I only got into then around loco time but I can see what people are saying about their recent releases. I totally get why people hate sneakers became of that switch jyp did (even if it was a hit in Korea) and the fact that the song is just ridiculous and I actually like boys like you. But I'm so hoping that they can get back some fans with their upcoming comeback bc I'm seriously worried they'll just continue down this path.

I think a lot of it comes down to expectations - anyone who's a fan has at least some expectations for every release, and when they're not met, unless the song is really good they'll be disappointed, even if that same song ends up drawing in new fans. Aside from things like sales or awards, how good a certain song is is subjective, e.g. some of the songs you mentioned as disappointments are some of my favorites from those groups (Visions for DC, Villain for PIXY).

Saying lovesick girls is bad is insane this girl is so jobless and jealous

as a blackpink fan, I agree that the quality of their music is deteriorating and hope in future better production. however, I did enjoy their new album (and I disliked both of Lisa's solos help mee) and I'm also a czennie 😭😭😭

Thank god music is subjective cuz MONEY is a bop.

for me, Twice have fallen off. Their music isn’t as iconic as it used to be…songs like Alcohol Free, More & More, Scientist…they’re not outselling like previous tracks. And I personally didn’t like TTT either I’m not counting The Feels because it’s English and tbh it did pretty well

I hope the girls truly get to work with other producers and get more creative control in order to fully grow and get comfortable w the production of making music. Rosé seems to yearn for the musicality that YG is taking away from her. She shines so brightly on the show “Sea of hope” being able to show her vocals and passion for music. :(((

The thing with Blackpink that hurts me the most is the lack of passion. As a BTS fan who has dipped her toes in the Blackpink space, the difference is very stark. (This is not to start a fan war or anything this is just for point of comparison). BTS have a lot of passion for they’re art and their songs. Even during their English releases, BTS always put forth their all. Even if the lyrics weren’t super deep and meaningful like their other songs, they still sang every note with as much passion as possible. BTS (in my opinion) respect their fans time, efforts, and support. Blackpink do not (not from where I’m sitting at least). BTS communicate to ARMY when things change, like when they announced their change in schedule. Even if they don’t need to, BTS go out of their way to give their fan base more than we deserve and that resonates. I am by no means trying to say that Blackpink as people are selfish. What I am trying to explain is that bittersweet feeling towards the members, the group, and the BlackPink brand. I don’t think they need to go to the extent of BTS. There’s a reason why BTS is so huge and why they have such a strong and dedicated fan base. In fact, I don’t think many other groups should or even can replicate BTS’s devotion. BUT Blackpink’s lack of efforts, enthusiasm, or shits given especially during their promotions and stages, is just downright disrespectful. I don’t think Blackpink are selfish, but they are doing less than the bare minimum knowing that they’re fans will support them anyway, neglecting to take into account their fans who bought tickets and albums, who streamed their producer’s mediocre songs for hours on end to make sure they broke records, and fans who’s unwavering support allows them to get all the brand deals and buy all of their designer that they talk about so much. In return for all this support they couldn’t even do as much as to or pretend to give their all in their performances. I think Blackpink have abused their privilege and I can’t really even defend their place as the second biggest kpop act or as THE biggest kpop girl group anymore especially when looking at groups like Stray Kids, Red Velvet, Twice, etc. Groups who bring their entire asses to their projects and promotions with far less if any time off. I really hope you all understand what I’m trying to say and that I’m not trying to bash Blackpink but rather criticize them.

The last 127 album was literally a masterpiece

Errrr. I don't agree with people saying BTS fell off. Because they're literally still in their prime. And it's funny because it's actually their English releases that opened massive doors for them. And made them gain much more fans. And their songs post the English songs are still BTS. I feel like majority of K-pop Stans are the ones that don't like the English releases. I was surprised at the fact that a lot of people that I know, actually know the songs. Those songs did so well. And in everything are their most successful songs.

Exactly alot of kpop fans feel like once a group releases a song thats not their taste for once ,it means they have fallen off.

I LOVE Blackpink. They are my ults, but I WOULD LOVE to see them branch out and try new sounds and styles. They did a little bit on their Born Pink album, and I loved hearing an actual soft ballad type song from them. But I want more. I'm tired of listening to the same handful of songs on repeat, I want more music, more frequently, and more variety. They have the capability and talent of doing this, but their company is the biggest roadblock for them. They need to sign with a new label. I honestly hope they don't renew their contracts with YG this year, even if that means the end of them as a group. They are capable of so much more.

I agree with everything except nct 127 stickers was a fabulous song just not for everybody but still good and 2 baddies was a vocal and rap masterpiece neo's will always make neo music and I love that because it's unique and not for everybody you either get it or you don't so the term fallen off for them is subjective

When it comes to Blackpink the one I like is Rosé on the ground and gone. Her songs broke records too but she actually wrote her own songs and it’s proof that blinks don’t care about actual songs that make sense or have a powerful meaning behind them. If Lisa released on the ground her Stan’s would eat the song up but since it’s Rosé they care less. It’s weird because Lisa could release a song about ducks and her Stan’s would eat the song up. It seems most of Blackpink songs are about how being baddies or how much money they have and that’s why as a group they need to switch it up.

i listened to sticker now bc of your description of how bad it is and the "i ain't fallin off" made me giggle

Blackpink should change their name to "Pick me girls" because their discography has become lots of pick me lyrics and flexing, that's the only thing they can do and its boring.

I don’t think any of these groups fell off, I just think the concept, specifically girl crush, was over-used and it just became boring and thus people have started to turn away from it. Same thing happened with cute concept with groups like SNSD, A-pink, TWICE, and Lovelyz and which is why groups like Blackpink became so popular when they did. The reason why groups like NewJeans are doing so well now is because it’s something that isn’t heard much. Now that they are gaining popularity, I can guarantee you that there will be hundreds of other groups copying them and that style since it’s the new trend. Eventually, it will become overdone and probably the cute concept, or sexy will come back and the cycle will go on and on again.

I disagree. Itzy has only really had one bad comeback plus their English single. I wouldn’t say they’ve consistently put out terrible music.

Omg they’re gna be mad af for this one

i don’t know WHAT jyp thinks they’re doing with itzy honestly….i never stanned them, but they were a pretty outstanding group. you could see their talent in performing, the production value was amazing, their writers were really hitting, and now it just? you can’t see any of that anymore? the music feels kind of vague and generic, and god knows their title tracks lately haven’t shown off the girls’ talents at all. tracks like icy, while more out there, still slayed because the members shone, but with comebacks like sneakers and boys like you, they’re just not given anything to work with. and when your members don’t look impressive performing the songs, none of them are going to hit right - and they haven’t been

As a predebut Loona stan im so upset at where things are going for them. Their b-sides are still really nice but the title tracks just arent doing it for me anymore. I do enjoy PTT and when So What came out I was happy with is as it was something new for them but the hard push of the girl crush "noisy" music really made me disappointed. PTT is great but i was upset that we weren't switching it up and trying a new sound since Loona are supposed to be the groups that tries something new each time. I got so very excited when the Flip That teasers came out because I thought the change in directions would be a good thing but... flip that was so bad... and I barely like the b-sides besides Playback. Although they were doing something new each time Loona still had a "sound" before and it got lost when Jaden Jeong left. I really hope they can find their sound again as the girls themselves have said they miss their old music.

Chungha is doing fine tbh. She'd be doing well if her company would promote and do what was needed. She's been waiting for the second half of her album to come out for 3 months now but the company just won't release it. She'd be huge still if they would just do something

I actually LOVE Sticker and the album that came w it. I haven’t liked the other recent stuff tho

I sadly agree for Mamamoo, their music is not hitting as it did before and it's the company's fault. I discovered them at the MAMA awards in 2018 with that phenomenal stage with everyone in red! Listened to their stuff ever since and I was over the moon when I first heard Gogobebe. At that time even their songs for promoting products were amaziing (I believe that Gleam is actually an ad for glasses). Then HIP happened and it was massive - different from the 4 seasons 4 colors project completely, but it just catapulted them. ThenTravel album happened... and that's where the downfall started, in my opinion. Dingga was cute, but I couldn't relate it to MMM at all (I kinda like it now, but it's really not my cup of tea). AYA felt like it was created for end-of-the-year shows because if MMM is performing, the performance has to have a massive stage. Yes, I liked the stages, but the song really felt like it wasn't created for a group, but for that performance on MAMA and MMA and other award shows. Even though I like b-sides on Travel album more than released songs, I don't see how the songs and their topics connect, which is something we had a lot of in 4S4C. Where are we now was forgettable, but that song had written "the end" all over it for me - in terms of the last comeback MMM had with all girls under RBW. I considered getting that album, but that's where RBW totally messed up with packaging and distributing it. And now ILLELLA.... what the hell is even that song? For any other group, it would be a solid bop, but for MMM this is offensive. It feels like it was made just for the sake of making something to shut the fans up and RBW is messing up promotions completely. You know what's bizzare to me about ILLELLA stages? For the first time my bias, Hwasa, does not pop on the screen for me at all. You know who does? Wheein. She is so relaxed during this mess of a comeback, she's glowing. And to think back on her struggles thinking she's not vibrant enough in MMM next to other girls... It really shows that she's having good time in new company and that they treat her well. Sorry for this rant, it's just that I've been a pretty active MooMoo back in the day and it breaks my heart to see RBW failing these 4 amazing talented gems. I really hope Byul opens her own company and they all ditch RBW.

Nah calling a song terrible and saying that it only got views because its the artist popular is invalid. Just because you don't like a song it doesn't mean thats it is personally I loved both Lisa's solos and I still listed to them almost everyday If you don't like a song it doesn't mean its terrible for everyone. If lalisa only got views because of popularity why didn't ytc?

Things that hurt the most are if your most favorite group are fell-off, like the music don't get your preferences and nothing impressed you again :(

3:05 And I’m over here absolutely loving memeM, Adios, Love killa and Villain 💀

I feel like I’m one of the very few people who actually really enjoyed both Pink Venom and Shut Down. When they dropped I was pleasently surprised and I don’t understand why people think they’re terrible. And this is coming from an Army so I think I’m as unbiased as I can be

One thing that I love abt u r ur brutal opinions! They may sound very offensive to some but they r actually facts. Personally, I liked Boys like u but expecting something better in Cheshire album! Nice video 💅

i don’t care cause i don’t really “stan” idols like that but i truly like blackpinks music

Oh this isnt a part of the video but did u hear generation by tripleS aaa and ur thoughts

i don't think 3 cbs is enough to say a group fell off i think they need to have 4 or 5 cbs that are consistently declining in quality before i could say they fell off

Illella by Mamamoo really surprised in a GOOD way because i was expecting this kind of gogobebe/hip quirky sound and melodies but we got something different yet is STILL very much them.

I could be the only one who likes BP's Shutdown 😭 but, other than that, I agree with most of the opinions. I am still confused that people hated PTT 👀

I was sad in 2022 because 2 members Ella and Satbyeol left the group, my biais was Ella and Satbyeol's rap flow is unique with her accent! But they prove Pixy didn't disband yet, they announced their Europe tour and i was here to see their hard choreo specially Bewitched and they introduced a new member Rinji

I noticed the songs you don't like is repeative hook chorus songs. For example, I personally didn't mind Purple Kiss' Memem because of the concept is similar to Loco's Itzy. PK kept their dark concept and went for "going crazy" track aka what like call "Assa style" track. However, Itzy needs some help because WTH is up with their marketing team and AR. Chungha's Snapping and Replay kept momentum till was at her peak. But I think she's being stunted by her company and the economy. I agree with NCT tho funny enough bc I was why SMent "What is this?" I think you need to mention VIVIZ too hear too.