One day, I would like to visit Viipuri.

Yes, the area captured by imperial Russia in 1721 was even called "Old Finland". It was rejoined with "New Finland" in 1812.

Yes, the whole Karelian Isthmus was Finnish/Karelian atleast 1500 years before the Russians came.

@@nigelwatson2750 You don't want to because its all rotting away like everything else that becomes part of Russia.

Actually Finland and Sweden used to be the same country.

@@ArchiNart I understand you're trying to be a provocative troll, sorry to say it isn't working. Come at us I say. Stop talking and sign up yourself. After 80 years of threats, nobody really cares about your opinion. We're prepared to defend ourselves as we have before if such a situation would arise.

@@ArchiNart I hope Finland will take Karelia back from occupation by the fascist ruskis.

​@@ArchiNart.Finns love sweeds...how ignorant you are.

@@jm-holm correction: you're not prepared. You'd be whining and asking for military aid from the US at the first moment you realise you've been too bold without a means to be bold. Look at what's happening in the middle east at the moment. Israel has asked the US for weapons support within the first 24 hours after the peasants with guns attacked them. Why do you think you're more prepared for any kind of war on your territory than Israel on their land?

@@flowname Still all talk.

What actually saved the city was that the 1960s-70s Finnish builders and architects were kept well away from it.

I visited the town just a month ago and this was the exact impression I had - a wasted opportunity of potentially a great provincial town. However, the author didn’t take the best route and missed some picturesque areas.

Filthiest City i have ever been to.. Dirt on the walls everywhere. Gangs of begging children..(Anna Markka,anna Purkka, anna Kuulakärki-kynä) Packs of wild dogs,Neglect of EPIC PROPORTIONS..! Neglect like only Ruski-Mir knows..! My Familys, AND MY Land were stolen by Russobeasts.. But we will take it ALL back sooner than later, when Russo-Nazi scum are finally dealt with. These sockless Alcoholics are weak AF..! When the Revolution 2.0 starts we will get ours, so will every other country these thieves & Rapist's pillaged back when they were still a force to be reckoned..

"Viipuri"

I heard a long time ago a story about an old woman who had to flee Viborg as a child refugee. She visited the city with some group or with her children after the collapse of Soviet Union and she cried after seeing the condition of the city. The city could really have been a major economic hub of the region. Not to mention how beautiful it could have been.

Aalto's buildings are notoriously difficult to be kept in shape due to his choices that effect the rainwater drainage, mostly.

@@Itapirkanmaa2Tiukkaa analyysiä, ei voi ku diggaa! :'D

Alwar Aalto's buildings are notoriously difficult kept in shape if caretakers can't or don't use any money to maintain those buildings

@@antarai9869Believe me, they were and are very finicky -- as he hated external water gutters and drew them on the inside -- once they freeze up, the water is all around the structures.

@@Itapirkanmaa2 näin se on myös Paimion Parantolassa. ! Omat terveiset menivät tuonne Venäjän suuntaan... Saisivat pitää parempaa huolta tuosta Alvar Aallon suunnittelemasta Kirjastosta...

In Finland, you can travel close to the border zone without being questioned by border guards. Maybe that is the russian definition of living in an asshole ... 31:27 😄

Also "they wanted to join NATO" - the driver can't connect obvious dots about his fuhrer invading neighboring country and Finland being left with no choice but protect itself. Typical way of thinking in Russia btw, and they have no problem that the s.c. "special military operation" was started to prevent NATO expansion close to Russian borders, but in the end working exactly the opposite yields.

If OL3 would not have started late last year, we would be in trouble. The lost 1,470 MW capacity was replaced by the 1,600MW reactor.

@@Itapirkanmaa2 it could be mitigated wit import of hydropower from Sweden, but you're right, it was a close call. I don't think our electricity import from Russia was ever that big anyway.

@@AlfaGiuliaQV Well over 1GW recently, only worth a few hamsters running. Hydro comes mainly from Norway through Sweden.

Possible it is but maybe not recommendable. Just apply for a tourist e-visa and take a bus from Helsinki.

@@laakssim I heard from my father's neighbor who is Russian that the bus ticket is ridiculously expensive at the moment so probably best to wait for better times

I know Brits and Americans who live in St Petersburg on a permanent basis, renew their visas, etc. You absolutely won’t experience any problems coming to Russia, even now. My American friend actually visited Vyborg by himself (took a train from St Petersburg) and his Russian isn’t that good. I don’t think the buses from Estonia/Finland are that expensive now.

wouldnt recommend taking ur money there even if it becomes possible some day

@@jere1023 This is already an old comment, but if things change for the better in Russia, the country could be a very different place.

Hey, thats my dream too! My granfather was from Lahdenpohja and My grandmother was from Tervajärvi, they met during evacuation and was together more than 70 years.. i remember My grandpa telling stories about jatkosota when i was kid and i wasnt so interested back then, maybe i was toi young... I would give anything to talk with them now but its too late... Especially with my grandpa about being volunteer in contiation war as 15 years old.. and i would like to visit those places he was talking about. Rest in peace Heimo and Aino K.

hi,kerrosateria)now there are many tourists from Suomi here in Sortavala:)from Sortavala to Kurkiyek 80 km, an hour and a half by car:)you can gather a company and come here for the weekend 😀

My grandfather fights aganst your at that war. He was seriously wounded and never told anything about that war

My father fought in the war and was from Kuolemanjärvi , between Petersburg and Viipuri, now part of Russia. The family relocated to Canada in the late 50's. I can pick up some of the Karelian language a little better than I can understand Russian.

@@paavoviuhko7250 if you decide travel in some day, can IM me

Why you family went to Findland? My Karelian grandma stayed in the USSR and was against Germans during the second world war

@@MsThePrettiest because the USSR was a genocidal shithole, look up the Stalin's terror on Karelian people.

@@MsThePrettiest "against Germans during the second world war", meaning, helped illegal occupiers of the Fair Land to occupy it. "Why?" - the Finns knew what the Soviets were capable of.

L@@MsThePrettiest Your grandma was *with* the Germans during WW2 because the USSR and Germany both invaded Poland together in 1939.

@@MsThePrettiest Because Russians murdered almost all of them. "The genocide of the Ingrian Finns (Finnish: Inkeriläisten kansanmurha) was a series of events triggered by the Russian Revolution in the 20th century, in which the Soviet Union deported, imprisoned and killed Ingrians and destroyed their culture.[3] In the process, Ingria, in the historical sense of the word, ceased to exist.[4] Before the persecution there were 140,000 to 160,000 Ingrians[5][6] in Russia and today approximately 19,000 (including several thousand repatriated since 1990.[7]) From 1935 onwards, the genocide manifested itself in deportations of entire Ingrian villages, mass arrests and executions, especially in 1937 and 1938 associated with the Great Purge. The reason for the genocide was the skeptical attitude of the Soviet Union towards the Ingrian people due to their close cultural and historical relations with Finland. At the same time, many other ethnic groups and minorities were also persecuted.[3] The destruction process targeted at Ingrian Finns was centrally managed and considered. Russian legislation in the 1990s refers to it as genocide. The aim was, in particular, to assassinate the male population. Tens of thousands of Ingrians died due to deportations and in labor camps.[8]"

Awesome info - thanks!

Those movies where the first I was thinking about when I saw in the thumbnail Karelia.

@@Maria_Nizhny_Novgorod Nope, as Finland didn't actively take part in it. Are there Russian films of the Genocide of Ingrian Finns, few years prior when you demanded Lebensraum from Finland? "The genocide of the Ingrian Finns (Finnish: Inkeriläisten kansanmurha) was a series of events triggered by the Russian Revolution in the 20th century, in which the Soviet Union deported, imprisoned and killed Ingrians and destroyed their culture.[3] In the process, Ingria, in the historical sense of the word, ceased to exist.[4] Before the persecution there were 140,000 to 160,000 Ingrians[5][6] in Russia and today approximately 19,000 (including several thousand repatriated since 1990.[7]) From 1935 onwards, the genocide manifested itself in deportations of entire Ingrian villages, mass arrests and executions, especially in 1937 and 1938 associated with the Great Purge. The reason for the genocide was the skeptical attitude of the Soviet Union towards the Ingrian people due to their close cultural and historical relations with Finland. At the same time, many other ethnic groups and minorities were also persecuted.[3] The destruction process targeted at Ingrian Finns was centrally managed and considered. Russian legislation in the 1990s refers to it as genocide. The aim was, in particular, to assassinate the male population. Tens of thousands of Ingrians died due to deportations and in labor camps.[8]"

​@@molotovribbentrop2839🥱

​@@Maria_Nizhny_Novgorodhe's spamming one message to every comment😂

At that time, the Finns paid a heavy price for their anti-Russian policy. It looks like history is repeating itself now.

@@М.Столић The russians paid with blood for their lust for power and plans for expansion.

​@@М.СтолићI think it is more appropriate to say "the Finn's paid a heavy price for Russia's anti-Finnish policies."

@@axllii haha by "anti-Russian" he means not wanting to be conquered and subjucated by them, AGAIN

@@Crimson50 I agree. I'm just trying to move the interpretation of Finnish policies from Russia-centric to the Finnish-centric. I.e. Finnish policies are pro-Finnish, NOT anti-Russian. Most people don't intuitively understand the difference.

"He could never tell me story's about his time there" Oh, I wonder why my fellow westoid... maybe because he was a part of the forces, whom held Leningrad in the siege? No? =)

lucky for leningrad that the finns only stopped at the border otherwise leningrad would have fallen according to most military historians@@YourGrandMomy

Kylää

Russian didn't close the borders for EU citizens or stopped issuing visas. It's what EU done against Russian citizens so the new Iron curtain is tried to be erected by Europe, not Russia. Even US is fine with Russian citizens. So you can always come to Russia and be welcome, especially in Finno-Ugric republics of Russia

Of course, if Russia doesn't say "davay zyemlyu, Finlandiya"

I was there this summer and at border no problem with Finns as well with Russians

What was it like to have invaders in your family? Weren't they ashamed to live on stolen land?

I dont know maybe you should ask the russians that live there @@BLMVDV

@@tuspu8255 OOOOOH SNAP Yeah, Russians "offered up" living in Karelia to the Finns instead, basically even giving them money for it Only like 5 people stayed out of all of them. Russia had to bring in colonizer. Now it's a decaying empire of sh*t.

В каком месте это оккупация? Советую ознакомиться с терминологией данного слова, прежде чем писать такую глупость. Выборг - Россия, по всем бумагам. На эти земли распространяется российское законодательство и российский суверенитет. А ваши предки, если вы не в курсе, тысячелетия назад жили в Африке. Почему же вы тогда жителям Танзании не пишете о том, что они оккупанты? То что ваши предки где-то когда-то жили вас вообще, по сути своей, волновать не должно, ведь то была их жизнь, а не ваша. А если же вы хотите посетить этот дивный русский город, то милости просим. Никто не мешает.

How is it under “Russian Occupation” if the Finnish government officially recognizes it as part of Russia? Since they signed the Moscow treaty in 1944, which demarcated the border, Finland has relinquished any claims to that area.

Good joke😂

@@Razzle_Dazzle- what's so funny about this to you?

Vyborg remained under Swedish rule until it was captured by the Russians during the Great Northern War (1700-1721). Under Russian rule, Vyborg was the seat of Vyborg Governorate until it was incorporated into the newly created Grand Duchy of Finland, an autonomous part of the Russian Empire. Finland declared independence from Russia in 1917, after which Vyborg became its second-most significant city after Helsinki.

​@@vladm5920even under Russian rule, it was ethnically and culturally Finnish/Swedish. Same way the grand duchy of Finland was never culturally or ethnically Russian, but under Russian rule.

@@jsv8898 if not Russia, which created Grand Duchy of Finland as separate entity, Finland wouldn't be a thing today. Maybe just another Russian republic

Yep, the author really didn't do any of his homework before recording this video. As a side note, the library renovation was partly funded by international funds. The lacking restauration progress was speeded up when the then Finnish president T. Halonen brought it up with Putin on state visit business.

@@JohanKesti lets analyse the lies which are world wide believed: lie: schools are of use (fact. schools keep slavery alive and stands for dumbing down the population of mankind) lie: moon and mars landings, (fact: even masons know they cannot leave - earth is closed system, unless you want to drown, there is no other place created for us to live in.) lie: news channels share truth (fact: these are for politic propaganda) lie: voting matters (fact: politic propaganda) lie: money has a value of its own (fact: it is just a tool of this world, which value has been agreed upon world wide) lie: NASA lies (globe and all....) (fact: NASA stands for TO DECEIVE) - you havn´t searched - have you? lie: the lgbtq++++ propaganda (fact: it is a part of masonry depopulation agenda, 500 000 000 souls, thats their goal.) lie: Evolution and the dinosaurs. (fact: mankind is not hybrid kind) to keep stating that there was an evolution, then we ain´t humans, we aint then mankind, we are then hybrids. Are you a hybrid? Lie: holidays (xmas, Halloween, new year eve and so on) (fact: PAGAN HOLIDAYS, to praise BAAL, the god of this world) lie: U.F.Os (fact: they are demons/evil spirits in high places, against whom we fight daily = spiritual warfare) lie: rules and laws rule the world (fact: signs and symbols of masonry do) lie: believe in being educated (fact: found daily living with the lack of knowledge) lie: religions are ways to heaven (fact: JESUS CHRIST is only way to heaven. Religions, no matter its name = masonic garbage) lie: our dead loved ones stay around to “ghost” (fact: hunting and ghosting is job of demons, not of humans. We, humans, come from GOD and return back to HIM and all the stories of having been seen a ghost - terrifying, scary, dark, cold - again no job of analysing been done here by you- right?) Lie: Humans have no immune system and we need vaccines as these save lives (fact: humans HAVE IMMUNE SYSTEM and vaccines are created for one or two purpose: to kill or to cripple) lie: there is no GOD (fact: There is GOD, who redeems sinners and we are directly created by GOD, Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.) to keep claiming that there is no GOD and we aint created directly from the dust of the earth, we soon run out logic, regardless to we place “evolution” in our claims or not.) lie: 911 was terror attack (fact: 911 was an inside job, meaning the work of your loved government) 17 lies, should i go on?

he's taking in many places, visiting lots of sites all produced and edited solo. no way can he know every last detail of what he sees.

Oh well the Finnish and American government have recently already signed contracts that allows the USA to build up military bases on Finnish soil, gonna happen very soon.

I didn't put negative connotation into this word. For me it sounded as a synonym for "ownership". Maybe I chose the wrong word?

@@ivantrainsLIVE using the word occupy implies controlling area/houses you don't have legitimate ownership. Like enemies conquer and occupy lands and houses that previously belonged to others. Or someone breaking in a house and starting to live in it without permission of the owner. I think most Finns think that Kareliea and Viipuri belonged to Finns as they had lived there hundreds if not thousands of years, long before Russians or Swedes. Finns had legitimate ownership of the area and the lands were conquered and occupied by first the Swedes and later by Russians.

@@SorbusAucubariaRussians conquered the lands from the Swedes fair and square, and they let Finns continue to live there autonomously (ie still use Finish as the official language, choose their local leaders, etc). However, it was during the communist rule that many were deported, oppressed, and the lands were taken. Sure, it’s blamed on Russia, but many of the Soviet leaders or soldiers weren’t even Russian. Stalin himself was an ethnic Georgian from Georgia. Millions of Russians were killed by the communists. So it’s not like modern Russia was directly and solely responsible for this.

@@vladm5920 the land belonged to Finns, it was always finnish homeland, it was the Swedes and the Russians who were occupiers, not Finns. Now, there is a peace deal and finns recocgnise the lands inside Russia belong to Russia now, but Finns weren't occupiers while we lived there, because Finns had legitimate claim to the lands and homes they inhabited.

@@vladm5920 Instead of trying to whitewash your history, wouldn't it be more beneficial for Russians to reflect on it on a deeper level? Perhaps your people could lose some imperialism and stop wars like the one your country has waged in Ukraine?

He didn't show the most delapitated and ruined buildings, which there are numerous in Viipuri today.

Don't you think that it's because of current border situation there many migrants from Asia and Afica trying to go to Finland thru Russia?

Nope. Firstly the video has been filmed in summer far before the migrant situation. Secondly, it is obvious that the russian border guards allow the migrants to freely move in the border zone without asking any documents. In fact the authorities help the migrants by giving them bicycles and lifts to the border. Did you see them offering mr. Vaga Vagabond a bicycle? Actually the whole migrant crisis is orchestrated by russian authorities. They force the migrants to the border hoping they'll leave Russia by seeking "asylym" in Finland. As they fail to cross the border they will be conscripted in the Russian army and sent to Ukraine @@anvold5152

you think constant surveillance and control is a good thing?

grandpa ss

Not only did the infrastructure deteriorate under the Soviet occupation, they also "cleansed" almost anything Finnish away from the region. People, language, names. Stories and pictures of the former Karelia make me really sad, it was beautiful once and lots of families had to leave their hometowns.

The Finnish architects of the 1960s-1970s would have destroyed Vyborg. Now at least it can be rebuilt and has been rebuilt.

@@Albiinomajava what are they "cleansed", even most of original names of towns/villages were kept. Saying as local.

​​​​@@thepinusnigra Don't worry there won't be Z operation to Viborg😅. Finnish citizens were cleaned out. Those who stayed were relocated to east and rest fled to west and the city went through russification. Finnish language disappeared. City's history was also rewritten and many buildings are in a bad shape due to a lack of early restoration. Although it is nice that there are still some buildings left, because alternative could be what happened in Helsinki.

@@TaneliE the least I think of any kind of 'operation' against Russia or Vyborg to be specific. Yeah, historical part of city indeed in bad shape(if to exclude main attractions like main square next to sweden town hall and fortress, main streets. But, there's nothing spicy about it, as most of stuff was also made during Empire times. Russian government treats bad own puzzle of history as well when it comes to anything outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Although historical heritage was kept in much better shape in Soviet times. But it's a common pattern to most post soviet countries.

This is how I feel. I'm a Brit living in Pori.

It is not problem. You can get e-visa to Russia.

It’s not as bad as you think. I know many Americans and Brits who live in St Petersburg. One of my American friends visited Vyborg a couple of months ago by himself, he doesn’t even speak much Russian.

Don't worry, if you can't visit Russia, Russia will visit you at your home. Considering your country's aggressive policy against Russia, it won't take long time from now.

77th brigade 100% guaranteed@@valdemort7983

There is no such thing as unprovoked aggression.

Nice monument of him in Petrozavodsk

Do the stairs to the bell tower still standing? The last time I visited some stairsteps looked pretty dangerous already. Even though I'm not a superstitious person, but I stopped myself from ringing the bell since I thought it would be disrespectful somehow. (but I don't judge, I understand that this isn't functioning chruch anymore)

@nis4953 there is a paid entrance nowadays. 1000 RUB to ring the bell.

@@ivantrainsLIVE I hope that collected money are going to be spent for the restoration, or at least for making the place safe, since some parts of the floor were about to bend down almost to the basement.

Hello from India. I visited Ruskeala Park of Karelia near Finnish border early June this year..​@@ivantrainsLIVE

Virtually every party in government was on standby waiting for an opportunity like this. NATO support was never significant before the Russian invasion and it was the perfect moment to take advantage of the panic and secure our economic, political and military ties to the US war machine. We lost the ability to play the role of unallined negotiators in global conflicts and will now sell even more weapons to Turkey and Israel so they can keep bombing Palestinian and Kurdish kids

Nor from me. Luckily Finland has a democratically elected parliament which wasted no time in doing the right decision with an unprecedented support of both politicians and the people.

Friend, I myself am a Russian military man, and everything that they say in America is nonsense. The point is that a crisis began in America a long time ago, and they need to solve it somehow, but they solve it with war. So they provoked the war in Ukraine. Now all NATO countries have given away old Soviet equipment based on US recommendations. And all so that they can then buy new equipment from them. That’s the whole answer.

Why you can't just visit it?

I'm glad she made it out west safely, to freedom and prosperity of Finland! That's what matters most. I have no doubt that sooner than later Karelia will want and be part of Finland again.

@@agustinenzoa4447 nah, It'll never happen. Karelia is a Russian region there is Russians live.

@@anvold5152 True, after you murdered all the Finns. "The genocide of the Ingrian Finns (Finnish: Inkeriläisten kansanmurha) was a series of events triggered by the Russian Revolution in the 20th century, in which the Soviet Union deported, imprisoned and killed Ingrians and destroyed their culture.[3] In the process, Ingria, in the historical sense of the word, ceased to exist.[4] Before the persecution there were 140,000 to 160,000 Ingrians[5][6] in Russia and today approximately 19,000 (including several thousand repatriated since 1990.[7]) From 1935 onwards, the genocide manifested itself in deportations of entire Ingrian villages, mass arrests and executions, especially in 1937 and 1938 associated with the Great Purge. The reason for the genocide was the skeptical attitude of the Soviet Union towards the Ingrian people due to their close cultural and historical relations with Finland. At the same time, many other ethnic groups and minorities were also persecuted.[3] The destruction process targeted at Ingrian Finns was centrally managed and considered. Russian legislation in the 1990s refers to it as genocide. The aim was, in particular, to assassinate the male population. Tens of thousands of Ingrians died due to deportations and in labor camps.[8]"

@@molotovribbentrop2839 yeah, you're absolutely right. You only forget, that every Ingrish Finn was executed 3 times personally by bloody Stalin and sent into GULAG after it. They still live in fear because of it.... Maybe you just stop talking about crappy fairy-tales like it was true?

There's very little to be gained culturally from the eastern neighbor of Finland.

@@m1royeah, they don’t even have drag story hours for kids in Russia, those animals…….

@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 Notice how you're the first person to mention drag queens. What does that say about you?

@@m1ro it says I live in a land that has fallen to vile degeneracy, and it’s in your land as well, as you’re either here or one of our little vassal states where the same shit happens. It’s disgusting, and a sure sign of where we’re at in the game of empires…

@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 Russia has an ongoing HIV epidemic. They're just as degenerate as the rest, and you suckers fall far too easily for their propaganda.

Russia is forever an enemy of Finland. Pretending otherwise is hilarious.

as a Russian I want to thank you. I hope someday things will get better and we'll live like a good neighbors. I'm a fan of Finnish national romantic style in architecture. I enjoy every trip to Vyborg. Uno Ullberg, Allan Schulman etc.

@@fadeaway822 I hope so too.. All the best!

Шторма на ладоге очень сильные, там тяжело даже на больших круизных судах

There was nothing crazy about what he was saying other than he was using some fairly colourful language. Finland's prosperity has largely been due to being a bridge between Russia and Europe, that is a fact. And we will see over the next few years how that develops given the dramatic changes in political posture.

@@ItsTristan1st typical vatnik speech

@@ItsTristan1st Finland's historical prosperity has been in spite of Russia, not because of it.

​@@ItsTristan1st I think Finland's prosperity is mostly a result of the Nordic model. Free access to education, healthcare, good social security and diverse political field. Finland is not so much a resource based economy or even a trading hub. (there are better connections from Russia to the rest of the Europe)

@@Maria_Nizhny_Novgorod Российское правительство активно пытается убедить своих граждан в том, что западные страны представляют угрозу для России и враждебно настроены по отношению к русским, что не соответствует действительности. Это можно объяснить несколькими факторами: Во-первых, правительство стремится укрепить национальное единство и получить общественное одобрение своих эгоистичных целей, сосредоточившись на внешней угрозе. Создание образа внешних врагов помогает правительству объединить граждан вокруг общей цели, особенно в контексте продолжающейся агрессии и оккупации в Украине. Более того, правительство может использовать внешнюю угрозу для легитимизации своих политических решений и укрепления своих позиций. Это служит способом продемонстрировать необходимость сильного руководства для обеспечения безопасности страны, даже если на самом деле реальной угрозы со стороны западных стран нет. Заметное отличие заключается в том, что, в отличие от Запада, российское правительство обладает значительным контролем над средствами массовой информации страны, что позволяет ему сильно влиять на то, что слышат и видят граждане. С помощью контролируемых государством средств массовой информации Россия может формировать передачу информации таким образом, чтобы она соответствовала желаемому повествованию. В ответ на опасения лидеров НАТО по поводу создания разногласий важно разъяснить, что цель НАТО - помочь Украине защитить себя и положить конец российской агрессии, призвав к выводу российских войск из Украины, суверенного соседнего государства. Западные лидеры участвуют в мирных переговорах и призывают российское правительство снизить напряженность вместо того, чтобы угрожать ракетно-ядерным ударом по России, как было предложено по российскому государственному телевидению в отношении Великобритании и Франции. Все было бы хорошо, если бы Россия просто вывела свои войска из Украины и позволила всем жить в мире. Важно отметить, что в Украине нет войск НАТО. НАТО и западные страны предоставили подготовку и оружие только для того, чтобы помочь Украине защититься от российской агрессии, включая непрерывные ракетные удары по городам и критически важной инфраструктуре. Эта оборонительная помощь необходима для защиты Украины и ее граждан от возможных гуманитарных кризисов, вызванных разрушением основных служб, таких как водоснабжение, электричество и отопление, к которым Россия постоянно стремится в эти холодные зимние месяцы. Я рекомендую изучить различные источники также за пределами России, чтобы узнать правду, особенно относительно причин начала войны на Украине. Что касается более свежих новостей, Ground News, например, является отличным веб-сайтом, где вы можете найти новости из разных стран и информационных агентств, как с Запада, так и с Востока. Сайт также указывает политическую направленность новостей, нейтральность или предвзятость, а также предоставляет информацию о надежности источников. Просто не верьте всему, что говорят по телевизору. Хотя некоторая пропаганда существует на Западе, она намного слабее по сравнению с Россией. Эта пропаганда обычно создается независимыми СМИ, а не правительствами. Ее главная цель - сосредоточиться на финансовых интересах медиахолдингов, а не влиять на административные дела государств или менять политические взгляды людей. В Финляндии медиаграмотность теперь преподается в начальных школах, что с раннего возраста делает людей более устойчивыми к пропаганде и ложным новостям. Большая любовь из Финляндии.

@@hmmm9806 позвольте разрушить ваш миф о том, что это наше правительство пытается нас в чём-то убедить. Дело в том, что сами западные страны доказали свою вредительское и враждебное отношение к России. Они украли деньги российских налогоплательщиков из фонда Национального Благосостояния, которые хранились на Западе, ввели санкции, которые бьют в первую очередь по обычным гражданам (или вы думали, что олигархи пьют Кока-Колу и закупаются на Amazon?), поставляют оружие из которых калечат и убивают русских солдат и гражданских. Некоторые страны даже с визами не пускают россиян, а какие-то даже считают нормальным грабить их на границе. Запад показал нам своё лицемерие, наплевав на права человека, неприкосновенность частной собственности и свободу слова о которых он нам рассказывал на протяжении десятков лет. Тут никакая пропаганда со стороны правительства даже не нужна, достаточно просто посмотреть на реальные факты. Очевидно, что западные страны представляют прямую угрозу для России и её граждан. Очевидно, что правительство стремится укрепить национальное единство и получить общественное одобрение своих целей. И они с этим прекрасно справились благодаря русофобской западной политике. Им даже доказывать ничего не пришлось. Запад сам добровольно сделался врагом россиян. А цели России скорее гуманистичны, а не эгоистичны. Одними из целей была защита граждан республик Донбасса (сейчас граждан России) от украинских боевиков и снятие антигуманной водной блокады Крыма (до СВО Северо-Крымский канал, поставлявший пресную воду из Днепра в Крым был перекрыт Украиной).В этом и кроется ваше глубокое непонимание целей СВО. Она и использует это влияние. Что в этом плохого, если внешняя угроза реальна? Что может быть более реальной угрозой, чем западное вооружение, убивающее россиян? Насчёт контроля над СМИ вы глубоко заблуждаетесь. Запад полностью контролирует не только привычные нам СМИ, но и KZfaq. Западные страны запретили RT и Sputnik, в то же время крупнейший рупор британской пропаганды BBC действует во всех западных странах. Что это, как не нарушение свободы слова? В ответ же Российское правительство заблокировала финансируемые западными странами СМИ (которые они почему-то называли "независимыми"). Facebook и Instagram были заблокированы по одной простой причине - там считалось нормальным призывать к убийству российских солдат. И снова вы ошибаетесь. Сейчас Украина не является суверенным государством, т.к. находится на зарубежном финансировании. Выбирают министров и платит им зарплату США. Так что речь тут скорее идёт о новой колонии, зависимой территории или о постукраинском пространстве. "Просто вывести войска" - это какой-то западный пропагандистский прием, рассчитанный на ничего не понимающих людей. Откуда Россия должна вывести свои войска? Из своих регионов, граждане которых являются россиянами? Из Крыма, который уже 10 лет является российским регионом и который всегда исторически принадлежал России? Из Севастополя, который является городом федерального значения, как Москва и Санкт-Петербург и в котором находится база Черноморского флота? Это полная чушь! Единственный кто должен покинуть новые регионы России - это украинские боевики. Только в этом случае, при демилитаризации и при нейтральном статусе Украины возможно прекращение СВО. В противном случае, угроза для России никуда не денется, а значит перемирие невозможно. То что на Украине нет войск НАТО - это ещё одна ошибка. Там есть их вооружение, инфраструктура, инструкторы и наёмники из этих стран. Там также были лаборатории США, занимавшиеся хим. оружием (что сами Штаты подтвердили). В 2014ом году после присоединения Крыма на полуострове были обнаружены объекты НАТО. Как видите опасения России далеко не беспочвенны. И довольно логично, что Россия наносит сейчас удары по украинской инфраструктуре, т.к. она используется для военных нужд. Чем больше Украина потратит средств на её восстановление, тем меньше она потратит их на вооружения. А западная помощь Украине приносит лишь страдания украинскому народу. Чем дольше продержится спонсируемый Западом режим Зеленского, тем больше он убьёт украинцев. Их уже ловят на улицах, в спортзалах, планируют провести мобилизацию женщин. И чем дольше Украина отсрочит неизбежно, тем больше людей и территорий она потеряет.

>Немного обеспокоительно видеть, как некоторые лидеры с российской стороны пытаются создать раздор между нами Окей. А теперь верните пожалуйста 300 миллиардов долларов, которые вы украли. Спасибо!

@@Artem_Petrov_RUS Финляндия ничего не украла.

Сиди дома.

It's a buffer zone between West and Russia, no reason for Russia to develop it, since in case of war everything there will be destroyed

So true, it’d be booming with tourism and not be depressing like this.

Lol, under Finland it would be undeveloped just like the rest of Finland! I’ve been to Helsinki, there’s nothing that is “developed” and most tourist attractions were build by the Russians

It's look pretty good to me knowing where Russia was in 90sand now but you can't escape the boomer that he follows his leaders and media bullshit and the homos from reddit 😂