Iver Johnson Champion 24 Gauge Shotgun.

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2 жыл бұрын

Here’s another cool odd gauge shotgun I have. The 24 gauge used to be a standard shotgun gauge back 100 years ago, but today it’s mostly unheard of. There are a few manufacturers who still produce very high end hunting shotguns in this gauge as well as the 32 gauge.

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@Rugerfiend 2 жыл бұрын

I have this gun in 410. Bought it for 15 dollars at a yard sale in 1982. Solid shotgun still shoots great.

@hubertrobinson8825 2 жыл бұрын

That's another one I've never heard of before today but that's cool you learn something everyday

@carllaborde8204 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, I'm in to old shotguns myself. The craftsmanship that has always had my eye. They don't make them like they use to.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

The old school guns just looks better to me. I have old shotguns that are about 120 years old and still look and shoot great. You just can’t beat them for what they are.

@paoloromano1682 2 жыл бұрын

Caliber 24 has always been great for medium hunting. A wonderful rifle is the Beretta 412 folding, but for some reason this caliber has also disappeared in Italy and yet the caliber 24 is an excellent choice because it has a very manageable power. Nice video. Thank you.

@nonyadamnbusiness9887 Жыл бұрын

In English it's 24 gauge. Caliber is a measure of diameter.

@rusticredd6294 2 жыл бұрын

All right, you got one! Good for you!

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@chapiit08 2 жыл бұрын

Smoothbore long guns in 24 gauge were quite common among frontiersmen during the flintlock era as they could be used to shoot both a solid .56 caliber patched ball or shot. I believe that most US Army foraging guns from the mid to late 1800's were 24 gauge also. My first sxs shotgun was a Belgian made exposed hammer 24 gauge with which I hunted countless quail and hares and I remember it with fondness as being a sweet gun to hunt with. A good option for those people who want to venture into these rare chamberings are the full brass shotshell hulls made by Magtech and available through Midway and other venues.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

24 gauge is very cool. Check out my other videos I’ve got a couple reloading videos for it using fold crimps. Egyptian snider rifled were converted to shoot 24 gauge shotshells at the turn of the 20th century and those go for around $400 today. Very cool guns. American arms made 24 and 32 gauge over unders in the 90’s and were available to the American market, but that’s the first time in roughly 60 years you could get a new gun in either gauge here, and the last time you could get a new one. Very high end gunmakers still chamber both gauges though, but are incredibly expensive.

@johnnyhighwoods1780 2 жыл бұрын

Handsome firearm, hope you take it out and hunt with it to get a rabbit or two. Your video on the 32 ga popped up last nite so subscribed ! I had a few uncles who would talk about these small bores back in the early '70s but they never owned any . Thanks for the great content and keep it coming, always, farmer john

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I fixed the firing issue the 24 had, both are fine guns and I plan on putting them to good use.

@johnnyhighwoods1780 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists My neighbor had an old Hopkins and Allen in 12 ga and l shot my first two grey foxes with it. l just sold a Long Tom that was in 12ga but with a damascus barrel. My aunt had a little Stevens single barrel 410 in 2 1/2 chamber but that disappeared when she passed away.I wanted that gun as a little boy ,...it was a wedding gift from my uncle to her in 1927,he bought it new then.

@skidwarfarebo2171 2 жыл бұрын

What a beauty

@vonmajor 10 ай бұрын

I had the pleasure of shooting a 24 gauge Italian SxS that my landlord many years ago loaned me to clean and shoot. It was a wedding gift from his father in law back in 1960. The wood was immaculate as well as the finish. Couldn’t find a manufacturers I’d anywhere on it. Just proof marks. Could have been one of literally dozens of small custom manufacturers back in Italy back then. He gave me a big box of about 200 shells to shoot. Took it to the trap range. Needless to say drew quite a bit of interest. That and those old rounds were quite smoky too. Surprise I wasn’t turned in to CARB! (California Air Resources Board)

@theshotgunscientists 10 ай бұрын

24 gauge is very cool. We’ve got a couple 32 gauges too. Check out the recent videos we’ve done with them.

@Mascotal 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Iver Johnson "Ring Trigger". It's 12 gauge and has a ring trigger to open the action instead of the lever. It's been stamped " Patten Pending ".

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I messed with one of those in 16 gauge.

@josepsanchezrojo04 5 ай бұрын

Good caliber and manageable. Enough to defend against two-legged animals.

@theshotgunscientists 5 ай бұрын

We actually just put out a “home defense style loads” video with this gun a couple days ago using buckshot.

@terryqueen3233 2 жыл бұрын

I've got an old Iver Johnson that's probably as old as that one. It's in 12 gauge but I had to put new furniture on it front and back. It looks like it's been rust treated but I'm sure that's from where it was sitting in my closet for a long time. The only thing about it, there is no serial number anywhere and it doesn't look like they've been scratched or ground off. The only thing I found on it was initials igb. If you're interested contact me and I will tell you more about it. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! P. S. It has a wrapped Barrel and I was told to shoot only black powder but this was after I had shot conventional shells and it still shoots just fine. Although it doesn't have a front bead anyway that was just FYI Prairie

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Yours is likely about 15-20 years older than mine if it’s got a Damascus barrel. Light target loads are fine for it, 1 ounce loads at 1145 or 1200 but probably not anything more powerful. Pyrodex would be great for that gun. Very cool.

@scottwolfe5563 2 жыл бұрын

Cool little gun

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I’ve got another video on my channel of my stevens in 32 gauge.

@jimmyhepp9755 2 жыл бұрын

Nice find only 2nd 24 I have seen, have a o/u in 24 , would love to find a 32 to go with it. 👍

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 32 gauge up on my channel too. I have 2 of those.

@jackbarnes3579 4 ай бұрын

Just came across the video today after learning about thr 24! I. Also wanting to collect every shotgun gauge! Need to start scouring GB. Also wondering if you count the 9mm flobert lol

@theshotgunscientists 4 ай бұрын

I’m only after guns that take plastic hulls/ are easily reloadable. I do want one though. Check out the channel we also have a couple 32 gauges, one has a rifled barrel.

@miguellovino7679 6 ай бұрын

GREETINGS.. YOU ARE A TRUE SHOTGUN SCIENTIST. ON MY VISIT TO BRAZIL I SAW MANY SHOTGUNS IN 28, 32 AND 36 CALIBER (.410) BUT NEVER A 24.. BRAZILIANS DO NOT USE THE 12 AND 16 MUCH. I LIKE THE SMALL CALIBER BUT IN 28 GAUGE.. IS EASY TO FIND

@theshotgunscientists 6 ай бұрын

Thanks man

@lynnjohnson2482 2 жыл бұрын

I kind of like the first try opt out of firing feature. 😆

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is it only happens occasionally, but naturally does it without fail on video.

@ronaldjohnson1474 4 ай бұрын

These old Stevens, Iver Johnson & H&R singles were so simple, effective and inexpensive. Todays' singles are trying to be "tactical" (and expensive).

@tysonjuranyi3289 2 жыл бұрын

I found 2 of those in the roof of my grandfather’s garage, one was in decent condition and I am going to try to restore it and the other is rusted and broken beyond repair so I’m gonna make it look nice and make a lamp out of it

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Are they both 24 gauge? If so I’d be interested in buying the broken one if the barrel is at least salvageable.

@deltadragon2335 2 жыл бұрын

That's awsome never heard of a 24 gauge before watching your video how did you manage to find the ammo I've seen 28 gauge rarely in my area never even heard of 24 gauge let alone seen one before

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

It’s available all over the internet. Federal and Fiocchi. If you check out my channel I’ve also got a couple 32 gauge shotguns and I cover how to reload for the 32 using fold crimps. I’ll posting a video on reloading the 24 gauge soon.

@deltadragon2335 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists I just watched your 32 gauge vid dude you should do a vid of you shooting all the differnt gauges and show off some of your collection that would be an awsome video stay safe man and have fun

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

@@deltadragon2335 I plan on it.

@deltadragon2335 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists I'll be surr to watch it

@stevegimenez9981 Жыл бұрын

That's pretty cool what a rare shotgun. Where did you find shells?

@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын

Fiocchi and federal sell ammo for it and 32 gauge. Fiocchi has always sold ammo for both gauges but federal just started selling it a couple years ago. I mostly load my own though, up to an ounce of shot. I also load buckshot and slugs for it. Check out the channel, we’ve done a lot videos with this gun. It breaks clays really well.

@SterlinNelson_VTXBuilders 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 16 gauge version, bought it for 20 bucks and a model 60

@oldgandy5355 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like it is a Center Break, Double Cock Masterpiece. Wonderful shotgun. I did not know there was such a thing, or a 32 as far as that goes. The 16 gauge seems to be on it's way to obscurity also.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

The 16 has made a huge come back in the last 4 years or so. I’m finding ammo everywhere for it. More guns come out every year in 16 and 28 gauge. I’ve fixed the firing issue this gun had since the video. 100% reliable now.

@oldgandy5355 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists Excellent.

@kevanhubbard9673 2 жыл бұрын

There's a 32 gauge too that and the 24 make 16 and 28 gauges seem common!The only exotic shotgun I've fired is 9mm Flobert.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I have two 32 gauge shotguns, one of them is on my channel. I have a shotgun in every gauge. I have have reloading videos for them both.

@paoloromano1682 2 жыл бұрын

You should try the Flobert caliber 8. I assure you that you will have fun with the small hunting. It's a center-fire, easy and simply. Bay.

@kevanhubbard9673 2 жыл бұрын

Just another thought on peculiar shotguns you have .22 shotguns too.They are like .22 rifles but smoothbore and some of the ones made in Europe have a ridge ahead of the chamber to stop .22 bullets being fired.I don't know what would happen if you put a bullet in or one of the CCI mini shells with the plastic cap heads but I think that they'd be ok as the plastic would shatter but a bullet would jam on the ridge.The one I had was made in France and I only fired crimped shells with number 12 shot.Pretty feeble.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t really go after stuff outside of modern plastic cases, 9mm flobert looks pretty cool though.

@calebdoner 2 жыл бұрын

Where can you get ammo for that?

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much anywhere that sells ammo. Midway, ballistic products, rst, grafs, luckygunner, several more sites. Sometimes an actual shop will have it in person. Federal and fiocchi sell it. You can buy brand new primed hulls from ballistic products if you want to load your own. Ammo is actually very easy to find and always in stock, the guns are rare though. I’ve also got two 32 gauge shotguns on my channel if you want to check it out. Reloading videos too. There is a 24 and a 32 gauge over under shotgun on gunbroker right now for sale. American arms, made in the 90’s.

@paulhale9039 11 ай бұрын

I am a similar collector as you, all types in all gauges. If you happen upon another 24 gauge, I am in the market for one too. Thanks

@theshotgunscientists 11 ай бұрын

I haven’t seen one in months. If you search exactly the turn “24ga” or “32ga” on gunbroker you’ll see one eventually. You can also go to single shot shotguns and filter by “other” gauge.

@paulhale9039 11 ай бұрын

Thanks @@theshotgunscientists

@joelopezjl28 2 жыл бұрын

How do you find these obsolete gauge shotguns??

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Gunbroker, gunsinternational, proxibid, local estate sales will have one occasionally when an older person that was a gun collected passes on.

@kencoffman7145 12 күн бұрын

The shape of the wood on that old girl is beautiful, cracked or not

@theshotgunscientists 12 күн бұрын

It is yeah

@Recargasygambiarras 18 күн бұрын

Possuo uma piepper Bayard mod. Original Diana cal.24 gauge, tem vídeos dela em meu canal arma maravilhosa. Gostei muito do seu vídeo amigo. 👍 Garantido! 👏👏👏

@theshotgunscientists 17 күн бұрын

Check out the July 4th video we just released, we shot clays with this gun.

@Recargasygambiarras 17 күн бұрын

@@theshotgunscientistsok

@miguellovino7679 7 ай бұрын

WHERE YOU FIND 24 & 32 SHOTSHELLS..

@theshotgunscientists 7 ай бұрын

Anywhere online that sells ammo. Federal and fiocchi sell it. I load my own now.

@miguellovino7679 6 ай бұрын

WHAT CHOKE IS..?

@theshotgunscientists 6 ай бұрын

@@miguellovino7679 this gun just has an improved cylinder choke.

@merlemorrison482 2 жыл бұрын

Are you going to repair the stock?

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I plan on waxing off the wood around the crack and pouring in some thinned titebond and clamping it. Very easy crack to fix but to be honest it doesn’t need it. The stock is more solid then some of my other guns.

@merlemorrison482 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists ok, thanks

@cameron1993 2 жыл бұрын

Where did you find it ?!?!?!?

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Gunbroker. I have 2 32 gauge shotguns too one of them is on my channel.

@dejo1976 2 жыл бұрын

it was a UK gun I think

@duckodb_4389 2 жыл бұрын

I saw that gun on GI and thought about buying it but for what it is and the price it was I passed since I already have a couple 24s anyway. You can load 24 gauge in 1oz with regular smokeless powder and it’s fine, ive got a book with 24ga reloading data in it and there’s multiple 1oz loads on the 24ga list. I haven’t gotten around to buying a 28ga MEC jr and modifying it to 24 yet though, I don’t know that I wanna spend the money for that when I can just take out a 20 or 28 gauge anyway. I’ve got some 28 gauge shells loaded 1oz and they work fine too. I’ve also got a double barrel 8 gauge hammer gun you spoke of too, my shells are loaded 2oz over black powder for the Damascus barrels.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Do you care to email me some photos of the 24 gauge load data? I have the bpi manual but most of that loads are pretty light except for the single 7/8 ounce load. I fold crimp my hulls using a MEC 28 gauge crimp starter that I opened up a little, a little skeeters 16-24gauge chamber insert as the final crimp tube, and final crimp with the primer seating punch of my lee load all 2. I load my 32 gauge that same way. Anyway if you could send me some data I’d really appreciate it. My email is tylermcdavid4570@yahoo.com

@duckodb_4389 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists yea I can take pictures of it, I bought the small bore book from Ballistic Products I think it was, it’s got a small section of a few 32ga loads too. In my personal opinion, the 32 gauge is really more worth the effort than the 24 is. If you’ve got a 20 and a 28 you just don’t need the 24 but the 32 has the recoil of a 410 with a much better shot pattern so my wife likes it for skeet shooting.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

@@duckodb_4389 The 32 is far better than the 410 in every way. It’s an awesome gun. I only got a 24 to complete my collection and also because no one else in my area has one or has even heard of one.

@duckodb_4389 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists well it’s still not complete if you don’t have a 2,4,8, and 14 gauge and I’m sure there’s some other strange ones. 9mm flobert is a shotgun too, I almost bought one of those one day but passed. I almost bought a Martini Greener MKIII 12/14 too but it’s really hard to find those odd shells. I’ll probably get around to buying those one day.

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

@@duckodb_4389 I’m only going after the “standard” gauges. 10 gauge to 410 bore in every shell length. I’m considering a 9mm flobert chiappa but ammo is pretty pricey. I’m also considering having a 10 gauge h&r rebored for 8 gauge or just having a machinist make me a barrel.

@dejo1976 2 жыл бұрын

I got a 28

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a couple 28’s too. Check out my most recent video with this gun, loads I’ve come up for it are up to 1 ounce at 1200 fps. Basically on par with 2 3/4” 20 gauge.

@dejo1976 2 жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists I have been Ving watching the video

@Nathan-zj7io 2 жыл бұрын

the only 8 gauges i know of that arent illegal are industrial firearms

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

No 8 gauge is illegal, they’re just outlawed for waterfowl hunting. You can hunt anything else with them like deer, bears, coyote, etc.

@That_crf_250r 2 жыл бұрын

I have one in 20 gauge

@theshotgunscientists 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@kennethgoin628 Жыл бұрын

Years ago, I was window shopping an ammunition website and clicking on "shotgun" brought up 24ga and 32ga options. I'd never seen or heard of such a thing, so I clicked on both, but there was no listing of any ammo for either one. I did some light, casual searching around and still could not find any information about these gauges. Fast forward to February 2023. While perusing another 2A website, I see 24ga listed on one and 32ga listed on another. I quickly went over to gunbroker and still, no guns to look at. BUT... this time, there was ammunition to be had and I ordered a box of each just for giggles, and knowing I'm probably the only guy in my county with such rounds in his possession. When I ordered the ammo, I really had no intentions of seeking a gun in either gauge but after watching this video, I might be tempted to look a little harder. The only thing that has thrown me off is why the shell is labeled as a 2 1/2" instead of a 2 3/4" shell. They both stand the same height! Another surprising fact is that I bought the box of 24ga for less than any local retailers were selling 16ga, 28ga, or 410. The 32ga was slightly more than some 16 and 28, but far less than current 410 prices.

@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын

I spent years looking for my 24 and 32 gauge guns. Incredibly rare these days. They are actually 2.5” length, they’re roll crimped which just makes them look longer. If you take a fired 2.75” shell and one of the fired 2.5” 24 or 32 gauge shells, you’ll see the difference. Roll crimped shells well almost always be longer than fold crimped 2.75” shells. A roll crimped 2.75” shell is the same length as a folded 3” shell. Factory loads for both gauges are kinda light for the shell, reloading or handloading for them is the way to go.

@kennethgoin628 Жыл бұрын

@@theshotgunscientists Great information! Thank you! I'm not a handload/reload guy. My time is spread really thin so it's just easier to pick up factory loads. Even if I were to find a 24 and/or 32ga, I don't think I'd be into them enough to get into reloading. However, it would be nice if they were loaded with #6 shot. It would instantly make the gun a little more versatile for use. Even though I have seen #8 take out small game, there's not much range available for anything worth shooting.

@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын

@@kennethgoin628 they come in 6 shot and sometimes you’ll find 32 gauge in 5 shot

@tysonjuranyi3289 2 жыл бұрын