LPL is litterally a clown fiesta from lv1 that is what everyone is praising. Picks like renekton are high priority, something a dumbass like LS constantly says is terrible. Things like taking losing fights- they criticize, guess what? That also happens in both LPL, LCK, AND LEC. According to these retards everyone is bad except them. LS is literally, scaling good (praise our lord karthus), early game bad, variance bad, the complete opposite of what LPL is.

@@flakey9155 yea level 1s are hella messy, but they got their fiestas way better than NA where there's almost no comeback once a team gets momentum

​@@scythegrill4673 they put out rly early aggression and try for risky plays because they can come back even if they mess up in the start. They are that good, on the other hand NA if they have a bad start most likely loses the game. Unless the other team doesn't know how to push advantage and close games which you very often see in NA. Both are comebacks but to me its different in my eyes. One is outplaying them, the other is just inting till you throw the game.

@@williamlu7908 Get in line and kiss the boot. Appeal to authority more. Go on and tell me the whole world including LEC and LPL are bad since they pick Renekton and build Black Cleaver.

@@slowburn4035 In order to outplay someone has to make mistakes. Whether through macro decisions or getting caught out of position. Its rose tinted glasses.

Imagine being from LAN :'c

As NA, I agree.

@@danielbernardogutierrezguz4959 You always have the excuse of being a minor region.

@@beiggo21 im from eu and i ve been watching a lot of lan esport and im pretty sure they are getting better than na xd

I wouldn't be suprised to see either Turkey, VN or Russia replacing NA as a major region (at least in seeding). There's no cohesion and no innovation in NA play and LCS is trying to patch those blatant flaws by adding 2 seeds in playoffs just so top teams don't look that bad. It's really depressing, I had hope in C9, they were actually doing interesting stuff, but now they're as boring as everyone else (yes, even TL w/o DL). Pro NA is like soloQ. Broxah is saying people are trying to find reasons to hope NA fails (and I believe him to some extent, players individually are actually good and they can single-handedly snowball their lanes against teams from weaker regions), but there is no identity whatsoever in they drafting AND playstyle. They're still in the old mentality that mid and bot carry and the other lanes must funnel as much resources as possible into them, whereas CN, KR and even EU has noticed that any player can take on carry roles (even support players to some extent, having mage supports and champs like Senna and Pyke that can carry and still leave resources to the team). Is it gonna take NA demoted to a minor region for a wake-up call to happen ? Maybe. But it's really sad to see players like Jiizuke and Blaber being misused (yes, I think they're misused more than them actually inting) because it doesn't fit their conception of LoL.

Was it always this hopeless? It always has been

NA hasn't had a chance at world's since like season 1 homie. We fucking suck and we always have. Our best player is busy frolicking around with his gf who is also the president of his esports team. As the best region transitions from KR to EU, NA remains light years behind every other competitive region.

Wiener Person Doublelift is just getting worse with age. It has nothing to do with his personal life. Almost all the players who have been around for as long as him have either retired or are nowhere near the best; even Faker is outmatched by his mid counterpart. Staying consistent for so long is nearly impossible. The best players in the game right now have only been in the pro scene for around 2-5 years. Also, I know everyone likes to hate on NA, but it’s gotten to an absurd level. Very few people (aside from some of the best players and coaches) can actually understand pro play for themselves. The vast majority of haters have no clue what’s going on in pro matches aside from very surface-level information like kills and teamfights, and it’s so painful how they’re so vocal about an opinion that they didn’t even form themselves. I mean, just look at your comment. You’re saying the best region is transitioning from Korea to Europe while completely ignoring the fact that China has won the past 2 worlds and sweeped Europe twice in finals. You’re saying NA is light years behind, when just last MSI, TL beat IG in a bo5 and got to finals. It’s become so popular to hate on NA that people who have no idea what they’re talking about are now empowered to spread their own irrelevant, BS opinions. Honestly, just watch pro play for fun instead of trying to act like some incredible play-by-play analyst. Unless you’ve played the game and watched pro play for years, have hit the top echelons of the ranked ladder, and have a solid, fundamental understanding of the game, you’re not going to know what’s happening in pro play and you’re better off keeping your opinion to yourself.

@@101ified dude I don't care or pay attention to who is actually winning, I don't like or respect this shit game anymore. Pro play is boring and the whole "clean cut" image is insanely cringe but you're acting like I am completely wrong in saying NA has no shot at world's. I think that's a pretty reasonable statement, I think you just sound like a salty NA fanboy who wants to type essays about why NA is the best and haters don't know what they're talking about. Your attitude just contributes to our terrible region becoming worse.

doublelift said that, they don't plan anyshit, just try to not die

@@cesarespana5908 where did he said that?

Rewind Herath The masters to grandmasters cap on EUW is currently at about 300 while it’s at 21 (!!!!) in NA. If you win your masters promo and then win one game, you are grandmasters. There are just so few high elo players on NA.

@@mxthajsdpo5113 you hit it on the head. I talk about culture a lot with people. NA culture lacks discipline compared to other cultures and societies. You have western culture and eastern culture. Western culture is more free but has been lacking structure and discipline. Europe falls underneath western culture but they seem more disciplined than NA. Eastern culture doesn't have as much freedom but the structure and discipline is definitely there. I feel it's mainly the reason the last 7 championships have gone to the LCK or LPL.

@@isaacgavin7 I think the main thing here is that people just aren't playing as much LoL in NA than other regions. Simple as that. Americans don't value esports nearly as high as other societies. There's a reason there's a new Call of Duty every year, and it's not because it sells well in EU.

NA doesn't make or care about talent. They poach as many players from other regions as possible. Meanwhile in EU, they have full circuits for semi-pro players to show that they have what it takes to get on a team. In EU, their semi-pro and academy teams can face pro teams. In NA, we have TCS... that's literally it. Tyler is legit carrying NA talent progression by himself. If I recall, a current pro player was actually scouted in it, I just don't recall who. In all, EU just has so much they do to try and make talent and discover talent. NA is focusing on how they can make the most money.

You forgot about the LPL team that NA slaughtered in a Bo5 3-1. Biased asshole.

Huni is a great example. While the rest are just getting bad.

That’s actually pretty accurate, I think only the very top tier players of LCS that are consistent care at least a bit maybe like Jensen or Impact. Look at Doublelift for example he literally plays like he doesn’t give a shit lmao.

It is an old-boys club. And back then there was less skill involved.

@@MrToco23 You don't think that Bjergsen cares? :P his body language alone cares more than most LCS players. He wants to go to worlds again for sure

GOTHICforLIFE1 yeah he does care as well, when I said Jensen and Impact those were the first that came into my mind but yes Bjergsen is another one.

Do you know if it will it be uploaded sometime in the future?

Sleeping with their orgs presidents

@@MushfiqueBinHossain You mean with other orgs presidents?

This whole idea that you just "know" or "don't know" your matchups is fucking dumb. It assumes that knowing a matchup is a yes or no question. If there was a cap to knowing your matchup you wouldn't have any difference in skill level. Its literally part of reason why an entire region (korea) is regarded as better than most. They "know" their matchups better. Obviously when doublelift or whoever it was, was talking about not knowing the matchup, they were referring to not knowing their matchup WELL ENOUGH to play effective enough to win. Im a plat player. I dont know my matchups as well as a diamond player but I know them well enough to beat a gold player. Its the same concept. I hate that I have to spend time writing this out.

@@jacobgiocondo456 ur a plat player. These guys are professionals being paid 6figure salaries. If you were a professional, showed up to work, and told your boss i DON'T know about the job you hired me for, would you still have a job? I hate that i have to spend time writing this out.

@@jacobgiocondo456 How is that a dumb concept? Matchups is a huge part of the game, just like itematization and macro, when you don't know enough about it, it's very easy to punish and for experience ppl to critize you, i don't understand where are you coming from...

Probably on doms vod on twitch

Hes probably gonna upload it soon

It’s always easy to judge people. These casters have no idea what they r talking abt. No offence, three of the casters have not much experience playing in recent pro games, and they are trying to talk like they knew everything. If these casters are so good and have reli solid game knowledge, why didn’t they point out the exact core problem rather than just saying Sth superficial and things that do not help with the region

Its a big deal cause when everyone got to know, Tsm was looking to use Akali in their drafts. And then GG can very easily draft around it. That means its multiple days and easily 20 scrims wasted.

Dude are you serious? Teams who are gonna play each other in the coming week, dont scrim each other. The only way scrims couldve been used is if someone from another org sold that info, which would be highly unlikely and also illegal. So NO, GGS didn't get the Swain ban from scrims.

LPL is just another level dude. Like really

Because sneaky was not cutting it anymore

During a TSM legends video they didnt properly blur out the champs they were playing and you could see them flex picking Akali and Swain. So teams just got easy bans against them

@@advitshah8139 Tbf I don't think you ban champions that get mentioned in a video. I personally think they showed the picks in scrims, and that's why those picks were banned. Agreed with everything else in the video though.

@@jeroenverschaeve3090 Dude they cant show the champs in scrims. Because teams dont scrim each other before they have pro matches scheduled. There is no way scrim knowledge was used for bans. Ffs they even accepted that it was their mistake and they didn't blur it out properly. Stop trying to defend incompetence.

Good think franchising was supposed to address all of the issues you just brought up.

Majeed Belle Key phrase is supposed to.... These problems are still incredibly prevalent and franchising has been around for a while now. LCS is an inferior league at the moment, and this problem will only grow if orgs don’t change their approach.

Only way that will happen is if 2 NA teams were in the Play-Ins

only group they are getting off is the good players group

2 is very generous

1 tops, take it or leave it

Because somehow a phase rush ori will mabage to get caught by morde e

Mumian Haas in gold she does

Nice bait:v

He's right though. IWD didnt want to take the harder route and chose to quit.

Doesnt mean he's wrong though, just means he has an outside perspective

Fasel Fasel man has financial freedom, is one of the biggest league streamers and has been very successful. Pros weren’t paid nearly as much back then as they are now, he definitely made the best choice. Oh, and back when he was pro na was an actual contender lol

C9 wouldn't either.

@@kyriakosrepakis5939 never said they would, hence why I said collapsed. Them collapsing and playing like this doesn't make tsm not mediocre. Neither team is worlds caliber based off the past few series they have played.

The whole refusing scrims has been disproven it was a meme with C9 taking personal vacations rather than practice during the time that that was relevant. It has little to do with players from other countries and more so to do with skill level of players. These players aren’t top 100 anywhere I’m talking bang, sumday, huni, fbi, tactical all these guys, zven. You can be great for a few patches or splits but they guys fail to keep up with the ever changing game and this was always be an issue. The game is not even close to what it was last year it’s completely different and it continue a to change.

Iwd is an idiot boosted (literally)

Is the full facecheck episode gonna be uploaded soon or not?

No, he doesn't. Everyone with a bit of brainpower can figure out mistakes after the facts. He's just a washed up high diamond na jungler, desperately trying to cling to drama for the measly rest of relevancy he can get.

They dont come for new experience they come bcs of the bigger checks if it would be for the game players from Korea wouldn't downgrade the leuge they are playing in. I cant blame them a sport career is normally not that long so why not milking it

Dont feel pity for them. They willingly chose the path of mediocrity for the $.

Lol and 3 of them are imports

@@TheKevin899 Exactly.

Svenskeren (imo)

@@TheKevin899 all 4 of them are imports actually.

Broxah has had a lack luster year. Ssumday is good but his team is awful. Homie has to play with ryoma kekw. Jensen is also pre good

What's the point of talking about something that you won't ever see happening? Sounds like you like fairy tails. I agree it's trolling because it's something that you won't ever see so why ever pounder on something so useless.

@@flakey9155 Maybe the fact that other regions have better developmental leagues than NA has major. Just think about it, what could NA do with their superior resources too get better international results

@@nothingnothing4155 they really dont need wins internationally , cuz other regions are so fucking garbage and underpaid 😎👌

@@goy0551 Underpaied, maybe... garbage... not really and I think some players in chinese teams are paid better

Nothing Nothing Yea. China produces quality players and throws a lot of money on them as well, sometimes just as much as NA. Korean exodus, remember?

lmao who are you again

@@isaach6313 he's the greatest playwright of all time, dumbass

With Dignitas, they were easily top 3 team in NA. Then the ban came in (kinda unfair, but thats a whole other story), and in retrospective it killed his momentum. They almost killed his professional career. He grind it out and came back to lcs, and was number one With TL regular season, and ended 4th I think. Normally I'd agree that its easy to flame when you are not in the game, but yeah na lcs has been looking pretty bad recently; a lot of weird calls, misplays, miscommunication, mechanical errors, not capitalizing on easy mistakes etc...

Isaac you don’t know Shakespeare?

Exactly these guys talking like they are the best players in the world if so coach a team or go pro

Freefall - Arlow

preach

Have you not watched the game play comparisons within regions, with how Lcs plays, you can fill in regular silver players and explain the step by step process of how lcs teams play games and they'll be able to play at the "pros" in Lcs, but being delusional and saying ls and dom are wrong makes you wrong when they're stating point blank whats happening in game by explaining what is happening

@@Supertoddy96 then why didn't dont stay pro and win it all if its so easy.

@@Alphuuu clearly you didnt read what i said if youre saying im a pro, how about make yourself competent and learn how to have proper reading comprehension

Raphael Viana if they do that, we can say goodbye to professional E Sports.Look at what happened to Heroes of the Storm when Blizzard made the game appeal to the least hardcore players, the game is on life support professionally

I agree with you. The huge difference is that the players are making impulsive decisions while the analysts are putting more thoughts onto the things since they feel no pressure. The fact that someone is a pro doesnt mean that he should automatically be a cyborg perfect decision-maker. You can literally put idk GRIG to co-host the LPL finals to over-analyze and criticize Kanavi and Karsa for them not playing 101% perfectly as if he is above their level

I don't think you understand that all the things u mentioned should become reflex for professional players, especially some who've been paid to play for years now.

Have you seen Schalke 04 play? The way they play around back timings, and even Dreams blind Bard R after seeing the AD Carry for 2 secs is insane. The macro level play they have is insane, which is why they're on a 10 game winning streak atm.

@@MushfiqueBinHossain But again, the difference is perspective. Casters get to look at the map, anywhere.. even unwarded spots. So of course they can predict a fight or a fight there, they also can hover and see " he has 3 in E one in Q, etc", so they can then determine where fights are for what. I can only agree with Dom and LS in this video on the point of lane matchups, but that's mostly determined by the Meta.. for a while it was Corki vs Azir that was it.. now if you pick Yummi you pretty much win etc.. so that's meta based and if your meta is limited in your role and you get banned out of it [ Bjsern getting 5 bans..-_-- ] , then ofc you will have to pick some wonky set up.

@@Laxeres you're making a totally redundant argument. What ur saying makes it seem there is no strategy to league and everyone just does what they feel like. If u know enemy started red camp, and u being a blueside botlaner, can u not deduce the position of the enemy jungler? Where should be on your third wave? And if you pick yummi you pretty much dont win, Tham Kench and Nautilus both have higher priority. If the enemy team 5 man bans ur mid lane, have him play a safe farm lane and get priority picks in other roles. that's why METAS exist. It takes one tab press to realize how strong you are compared to your opponents. Another split second to decide whether an objective is worth contesting or not. And ur telling me these "professional" players blindly build items without accounting for the game or the enemy team? 0 healing, lets not go morellos, you think that takes a super massive brain power to deduce?

DarrionSD they’re not as passionate at the game you can tell, I’m American and trust me we are so distracted by so many things it’s hard to have anyone from here focus that hard on stuff, especially if you’re making money doing something easy as hell people slack off so easy here. We have a lot of hard workers when it comes to skilled jobs and trades but jobs that are easy to the mind and body like gaming there’s very few that excel. Asian culture itself is definitely way more passionate about the little things and making sure everything counts and it shows in their gaming for sure. Basically Americans like to go big or go home and don’t really pay attention to the small things.

ya that's why every game ends at 20 minutes, oh wait....

Levi Mitchell maybe in silver or bronze but not in the LCS/ pro leagues. Also I’d love to see some sort of clip of this happening in these situations... considering respawn timers are so low at 17 minutes

@@bigboi2186 you can take an inhibitor and a nexus tower if you have the coordination after an ace in 25 seconds with herald easily. I'm saying it's possible, not likely. Not to mention theres a lot more value in taking towers than just gold.

@@kaiserofkush bro what's ur elo? no flame, genuinely curious

@@kaiserofkush Value in taking tower? enemy team being able to freeze further down? Tower numbers only matters when it's 30 minutes in and one team lost several teammates. Baron can almost guarantee a tower if your team has brain. If you follow LS have said people have false belief about how much info you need. The Vision tower provides is not as valuable as people think because you can easily guess where the enemy are based on optimal strategy atm.

Him having exhibited the problems he's talking about doesn't make his points any less valid, though.

Not to defend anyone but think about this, 5 years of knowledge and infrastructure and still same errors since dom retired. Alot of ex-players now analyst now make it sounds so easy and surely it isnt but not being able to have a good floor of fundamentals with how the competitive side it's shaped and structured now it's ridiculus.

Bro a valid argument is valid regardless of who makes it. Ou region is poorly managed and unlike EU KR or LPL our scouting for coaches and players are so bad that once your in LCS your kinda just there. If you watch EU masters players are constantly trying to prove themselves with insane plays and picks. They have way less money in those regions until you hit pro so everyone is hungry and even when they are pro there are huge disparity in pay! In NA the average salary is between 190-300K depending on team. For that I expect you to at least improve or make better game plans. Like if you are CLG why are you not looking for new talents?? Like except Poebelter their team kinda sucks, like they need a fresh rebuild! We need fresh new incentive for everyone to get everyone to play better. This just sucks.

what a stupid argument jesus. u cant coach a pro player on something until u can play better than them lmao.

@@issaalaa753 By that logic, no point in having Coaches like Kkoma or Cvmax.

HoW caN diZ bE!?!?! tHeY mAdE tHe GaMe????

@@mou5ecop wE StILl dEserVE To bE a mAjOr REgiOn

@@sonemesis7083 tSm! TsM! tSm!

Umm first of all GG and TSM dont scrim each other before they have to play each other. So scrim knowledge could only come from leaks from different orgs. (Highly unlikely). And more importantly, the Swain thing was trending and literally everyone got to know that they were trying to incorporate a draft around Swain and Akali. No player sat and watched the video, that assumption is extremely dumb. They just got to know cause it started trending.

But vietnam is trash ?

Miu Meow their latest results shows otherwise. Even if they were, NA is “trasher” atm.