He floors me with having so much information on these guns. He’s a walking AK encyclopedia, another great video Misha.
@gmcenroe6 жыл бұрын
I like the Molot VEPR-12 better, nice video
@robkilcollins3105 жыл бұрын
You have absolutely sucked me into the world of AKs... how the hell did I miss all this before.. Thank you, Mishaco!!!!
@GUNSHIPFLEX5 жыл бұрын
A Vepr was the first shotgun I’ve ever shot. I loved it!
@mattv20995 жыл бұрын
Saiga 12 was my first AK weapon system platform. Back in '06. Searched for a long time. finally found one for 600. jumped all over it. Threw my money at the shop. I think it's time to ad a vepr12 to the operating system.
@AgoristAlex5 жыл бұрын
MattV2099: Guns & Food were waiting mad lad!
@dallasgannon57173 жыл бұрын
dont know if anyone gives a damn but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times you can stream all the new series on InstaFlixxer. Been binge watching with my gf for the last couple of weeks =)
@braydonsamson43183 жыл бұрын
@Dallas Gannon yup, have been using instaflixxer for since november myself :D
@erichugh62793 жыл бұрын
@Dallas Gannon Yea, I've been watching on InstaFlixxer for years myself :)
@xanderbrock62293 жыл бұрын
@Dallas Gannon Definitely, I've been watching on InstaFlixxer for since december myself :)
@ethan5.56 Жыл бұрын
Trading my Yugo M57 for a Saiga 12 hunter this week and I can’t wait to get my hands on it. Great video as always
@Catgat37 Жыл бұрын
Opinions on the Saiga?
@ethan5.56 Жыл бұрын
@@Catgat37 I didn't get it but I do like them. The vepyr is supposed to be nicer though
@Catgat37 Жыл бұрын
@@ethan5.56 yeah..heard it was better. I just found a Saiga for $850, so am getting it.
@ethan5.56 Жыл бұрын
@@Catgat37 really not a bad price. They'll go up for sure. I'm gonna have to find me one
@Catgat37 Жыл бұрын
@@ethan5.56 I don't even have a practical use for it. I just started collecting com bloc firearms though....so..🤷♂️
@BlakeBake5 жыл бұрын
I really like my SDS Lynx, but am selling that towards a Vepr 12 folder. I like the adjustable gas on the Lynx but sounds like the Vepr eats about anything.
@MishacoOBA5 жыл бұрын
The vepr can be picky with bulk packs. But also it's Russian and God knows if we'll ever see them imported again... - Jay
@BoogalooBoy4 жыл бұрын
VEPR-12 is just a finer shotgun, buy the lynx if you're really on a budget.
@dslife13 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Lynx and it’s freaking awesome for around the $500 dollar mark. Seems to cycle anything, my reloads included 👍
@vepraksoldat29636 жыл бұрын
great video. I have Vepr 12 and Vepr 12sbs, no saiga shotguns. CSSPECS makes great steel magazines for Vepr and Saiga rifles. 8 and 10 round capacity. So even through I love oem magazines and have some, they great alternative. SGM is hit and miss, all mine don't work with several attempts of making them work.
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
I had one of the original Saiga 12s back 2003-2004. I sold it around 2011 during the S12 panic. Got one of the first SGL12s Arsenal sold and we even did one of our earliest videos on it, but a friend talked me out of it too...no matter, that was right when the VEPR12s were starting to come in anyway. My V12 is from the first or second batches that were imported with a folding stock. I only recently got this SGL12-94, figured why not? Just for pure handling, I like it better but for reliability & durability; v12 all the way. Also, my luck with SGM mags as been much like yours, so i have been using OEM ones for years, no problems.
@vepraksoldat29636 жыл бұрын
Ozark Bear Arms awesome, love your videos. But do check out, www.csspecs.com they make great magazines. They are one of handful companies that make magazines for rifles that are banned and do great job. And i support them for doing so
@Pro2AGuy6 жыл бұрын
Provided one understands extreme filing for proper fitting most likely will be in order...
@BlackWolf42-6 жыл бұрын
God, I still can't make up my mind. Thank you Mishaco.
@javedqaisrani46044 жыл бұрын
Great review. Both are good guns but I love molot . I have both.
@drowtt4 жыл бұрын
Last years Kalashnikov mostly worked for army contracts and civil market was not so interesting for them. Factory was overloaded. But last 2-3 years kalashnikov extended production and deliver to market a lot new civil models. Due to that saiga become more popular vs Vepr last couple years especially for IPSC in Russia. Kalashnikov dramatically improved Saiga resource. My Saiga is one year old and have 10k rounds without any problems as well no any issues with reloading at all. Couple folks in my team have Saigas over 30k....Vepr after 10k may have some issues. Molot now in bankruptcy process starting Jan'20 ((
@javedqaisrani46044 жыл бұрын
Ярослав Thanks for nice info 👍
@Rocknranchman3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison really enjoyed it! I just bought a Garaysar fear 103 AK style 12 and it looks much like the VEPR and shoots (kicks) much the same! I saw similar failures when I shot mine but it seems to be smoothing out. It like the Saiga has an adjustable gas system. The Garaysar came with no recoil pad and I have found not much available to fit the small 4 inch tall AK composite stock. I did manage to locate a 1inch thick slip on Limbsaver small size that will work. I recommend using some black RTV and glue it on so it will not slip around on you! Thanks for posting!
@weathforjr4 жыл бұрын
I got and tested a sds cheetah 12 recently. 100 rds. All low brass. Might as well have been a bolt action. Opened the gas system the whole way, didn't improve things. I miss my vepr. That thing would run any and all
@JohnDoe-kg4zn6 жыл бұрын
you really know your stuff! Thanks for the great content
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, cheers.
@adamsadventures99194 жыл бұрын
And now I have both thanks to you, Misha! Great video and gun buying experience. Regards.
@1Axis5 жыл бұрын
Very cool video, love these shotguns, thanks for the Vid Misha! That comment was epic. "I pulled the block out of this one immediately....because it was stupid" lol
@misha56705 жыл бұрын
Because it was indeed stupid. Why FIME didn't remove it themselves is beyond me?
@Epic0Greefers4 жыл бұрын
The service version of the Saiga 12 is actually called the 18,5 KS-K. It's for the most part the same as the Vepr equivalent: it lacks the gas tube adjustments, it has a bolt hold-open system (although lacks a release button), has the same magwell and lacks a dovetail mounting point and instead uses a hinged dust cover with a picatinny rail
@madmaxd15 жыл бұрын
VEPR for the win!
@tylerharris36025 жыл бұрын
Building my saiga 12 to Russian military specs. Right now I just got the rpk style handguard and a bolt on front sight post. Gotta source the parts still..
@Akartavor9 ай бұрын
I prefer my Saiga because it's a bit lighter and prefer the side optic mount for a red dot. I don't want to front sight post on the VEPR. I also prefer a manual gas block. I did add a different Magpie stock thats super comfortable. That said, the VEPR is very nice and I can see why someone would prefer it.
@MeanOneMeanOne6 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff, Misha. I bought my VEPR-12 right after the sanctions were announced in 2017. All I can say is I wish I'd have bought one sooner as it's an excellent shotgun and great to shoot. Now if I could only find original Russian magazines over 5 rounds to compliment it with......
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Shoot me an e-mail and I can get you some 8 rounders....might have some 10s left also but no promises.
@GriffXJ6 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat, I just ordered a Vepr 12 2 days ago. The mags are just too damn expensive, I did find a company called CSSpecs that sells steel Vepr 12 magazines in 8 and 10 round configurations for about half the price of the Russians
@KnightsUnion5 жыл бұрын
@@ozarkbeararms8840 could you please extend that offer to me as well, I understand if not...
@misha56705 жыл бұрын
Sure, I have 8 rd and 10 rd Molot mags: ozarkbeararms@gmail.com
@talaverajr3914 жыл бұрын
@@misha5670 *FBI OPEN TF UP*
@azalkathegunpowderdragon94392 ай бұрын
Found my saiga in hunter format for 600 at a pawn in SC a few months ago. Got a smith to convert er to a folder for 350. Slapped on a 5.5 rear, converted a arsenal 4.5 to fit, got all the rest parts from various sources. Absolutely love her, but hate finding mags. She cycles buckshot like nobodys buisness, especially 3" shells, but on setting 2, doesn't seem to cycles bird. Im thinking about filing away at the plug to see if thatd let in more gas to cycle it...
@scottlehman97384 ай бұрын
Great information, as always . Thank you.
@johnblick79812 жыл бұрын
Brother your firearm knowledge is impeccable 💯
@project.jericho4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting reviewing a firearms presentation from someone who is visually impaired.
@weduhpeople8504 Жыл бұрын
My S12 still stove pipes on WM birdshot even though the action has been polished but my Vepr 12 runs like a sewing machine. Glad I got both well before the sanctions. I bought CSS metal mags for both. I will buy original Vepr 10 rd mags which are $125 ea today.
@DuckandBalls Жыл бұрын
are the css metal ones good?
@sincereguardian27976 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. Thank you! Could you possibly do a review on the SDS Cheetah 12?
@MishacoOBA6 жыл бұрын
We've gotten a lot of requests to do the Cheetah and its variations but haven't had one come through to look at yet. We both have VEPRs, and Misha had a Saiga-12, so neither of us have had an excuse to pick one up for ourselves. - Jay
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for watching.
@bigbadjohnpesek9894 Жыл бұрын
i have the jts ak 12. pretty much a clone of the veper. after the break in it fires high and low brass no problem. love it.
@jeffyoung20896 жыл бұрын
Very cool shotguns!
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Agreed, they are fun to shoot too. We have a followup vid just on the SGL12-94 coming up later in the month too.
@TerraRyzer5 жыл бұрын
Hey Misha, do you know if Arsenal/Legion came out with converted SGL-12’s? I know FIME group did starting around 2012, and I was wondering if Arsenal/Legion did as well. Thanks!
@prestondillard9065 Жыл бұрын
They also made the vepr-12-04. 12inch barrel
@tommyrussell82236 жыл бұрын
Really great video on these two shotguns
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, cheers.
@CORYSart5 жыл бұрын
I had the hunting saiga when they very first came out. It was rare and converting them was becoming the rage. But it felt so cheap.... like dollar store cheap. I sold it without ever shooting it. Was going to convert but felt it was a waste of time since I couldn't get over how cheap it felt. I have a vepr on layaway at the gun shop I'll have paid of by the end of the month. It feels like a quality firearm over the original import saiga.
@chadheadley783 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks for sharing
@AmericanDefender3 жыл бұрын
It would be neat to see someone compare the catamount fury side by side with these two.
@aq22374 жыл бұрын
Nice detail review 👍👍
@workingclassless846 жыл бұрын
Got a vepr12 which is obviously better, but I'd like to get me a saiga, too.
@strikerfired6242 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos
@CxS_Nico4 жыл бұрын
Great review 👍🏻
@American-BadAss7325 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid broski
@joelgarcia88002 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on the Chinese lynx 12.
@sooner54846 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Good vid with good info, much appreciated. cheers.
@6daemonic63 жыл бұрын
Would love to see y’all review the lynx 12 while they are still available
@tom_olofsson4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the intel.
@bowieb3594 жыл бұрын
Great video Misha! Any way you could do a video on the Lynx12?
@johnblick79812 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to install a more powerful spring in the magazine to solve the problem of the last round stove piping?
@shahrozekhurram98363 жыл бұрын
The gas system is also different on the Saiga K
@PlataniumRacerАй бұрын
Have you heard anything about IO Inc messing with these imports at all? Concerned it may devalue it
@northernfirepower5 жыл бұрын
Great informational video as always Mishaco, do you have any input when it comes to aftermarket magazines and drums for these weapons? I have had questionable luck with some. Thanks!
@misha56705 жыл бұрын
Yes, just stick with the original Russian factory magazines. As for drums? personally I have no use for them. Very big, bulky, heavy, slow to load, and never as reliable. Plus for the VEPR12, you have all that weight hanging off the mag catch w/o any support in the front. That can't be great for the thing long-term.
@richardmiller398610 ай бұрын
Hey Have a saiga sporter 79×32 and its a slab side reciver.most are dimpled?why the differences?
@Jose-xm3tq6 жыл бұрын
Great video thx!!!
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for watching
@jacobhughes82226 жыл бұрын
Ozark Bear Arms. I was wondering if you could give me some suggestions. I have a Saiga 12, that is giving me a some problems. I have cleaned it and can fit a pick in 3 out of 4 ports, it was painted by someone else who painted the inside of the receiver it still hangs up on me around the left side of the front trunion. I am wondering if I need to bore out the gas block or just polish the left side of the trunion and take off the paint that is there? I also have changed out the spring for a reliability recoil spring would changing it back to stock help me?
@ThomasShue4 жыл бұрын
Was there a S12 version used by Soetnaz with an AK74 triangle folder.
@LawatheMEid Жыл бұрын
Do all the saiga-12 variants have a four positions for adjusting the escaped gas back to control the pressure on the piston?
@TheREALLibertyOrDeath7 күн бұрын
My sporter has 2
@shawnehutchison73894 жыл бұрын
Didn't they have some malfunctions with this model? They would show people shooting it. Then the gun would fall apart. Or jam.
@medieval_flail4 жыл бұрын
would like info on the KS 12
@rangerdanger7664 жыл бұрын
THE Shooting results were more than disappointing. glad I went benelli at the time. The new tavor 12 looks very promising
@gilbertcaine92276 жыл бұрын
I have a sds cheetah12
@weathforjr4 жыл бұрын
I managed to source a new vepr in this moronpocalypse. I had to sell my last one about 2 years ago to cover a wrecker bill.
@efirizaki56564 жыл бұрын
Is he dlind???
@gutadin55 жыл бұрын
which is better?
@CrudeConduct6665 жыл бұрын
VEPR-12
@drowtt4 жыл бұрын
@@CrudeConduct666 Saiga is better if it's produced last 2-3 years. For older versions Vepr is better. At least original models what we have in Russia not sure about imported
@xaviersmith29265 жыл бұрын
Would it still be a good idea to get a Vepr 12 today in May 2019 despite the sanctions?
@wattasz63485 жыл бұрын
Id say yes. They are just going to go up in Value from this point on.
@talaverajr3914 жыл бұрын
@@wattasz6348 what about 2020.
@universal_wisdom34164 жыл бұрын
Anyone know where to look to buy a Vepr-12?
@talaverajr3914 жыл бұрын
Buds gun shop online is recommended by Hicock45 a famous KZfaq gun hobbyist.
@tawm866 жыл бұрын
Yeah but the Saiga-12K was the best shotgun in BF3 and Firearms: Half-Life
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Alright haha, not like I can play video games so I have no idea about that.
@tawm866 жыл бұрын
I was there from close to the initial release all the way to 3.0. O, how the mighty have fallen.
@jdl68816 жыл бұрын
tawm fav doesn't make it better in real life. Vepr is master race
@tawm866 жыл бұрын
Don't tell me how to live my life
@CrudeConduct6665 жыл бұрын
Vepr wins all day every day
@zheka17806 жыл бұрын
The UK didn't ban these?
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
Well, UK gun laws are...well no way I could even begin to try to explain them in a youtube post hehe.
@charlesdavison576 жыл бұрын
No its allowed in semi-auto aslong as the barrel is longer than 24'' and the total length is over 40''.
@CrudeConduct6665 жыл бұрын
UK banned all guns dude
@stevefriedman79154 жыл бұрын
Ray Charles 2.0
@bvccccccccccc6 жыл бұрын
holy shit, im the 6666th viewer
@MishacoOBA6 жыл бұрын
Metal. - Jay
@InugamiTheHound6 жыл бұрын
Both of shotguns looks awesome. I should pick up Saiga because the prices haven't gone up for them that much. It seems like Saiga worked better on gas position 2 than 1 (I'm not a hunter of any kind, I don't mind people hunting for food (I understand that), but killing for game or sport I don't like it killing lions, elephants etc.. for trophies or killing foxes/seals for their fur. Is something we don't need anymore and animals are important to the balance of the ecosystem. Being a animal lover is not very manly thing to do I know many guys would consider me a "Gay/fairy/faggot" )
@ozarkbeararms88406 жыл бұрын
The SGL12 works fine on gas #1 if you're using 3" magnums or other powerful shells. #2 is for the lighter stuff and we took this shotgun out a couple weeks back again. It ran 2 full boxes of the light stuff w/o any hickups at all, so probably just a bit of breakin is all. As to animals, you know I have several cats right? lol
@TheTeeWorldsfreak6 жыл бұрын
Ozark Bear Arms the Cats are the best part about this channel
@johndaugherty41275 жыл бұрын
Proverbs says a righteous man is kind to his beast. Manly as it gets there bro.
@tylerharris36025 жыл бұрын
Mine works the opposite way. Wtf 2 runs low brass and 1 runs only really hot loads. My block is bulged a bit the previous owner didn't clean it and I had to take the block off to clean a golf ball size amount of carbon out. Surprised the gun didn't blow up and hurt the original owner. Dumb ass.. No wonder it stopped working.
@jahangir74593 жыл бұрын
You are very slow. Sorry can't watch
@bellaphone5719 Жыл бұрын
dude why you being rude he trying. u cant tell or something?