Vepr 12 vs Saiga 12

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Vepr 12 vs Saiga 12

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*This a joke character* Introducing Urie from Ukraine!!
Taking a look at the differences between the Vepr12 and Saiga12 shotguns.
One of the Big differences I forgot to showcase was the bolt release feature. I added it in text after i released I forgot about it. I do not use that feature much because I like to do traditional AK style Charging using the handle. That feature is key for competitions because it allows for faster times. Since I do not sure competitions and need to be as fast as possible. It gets little use from me. My apologies in neglecting that.
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@bcabmac 4 жыл бұрын

I just think it's cool that you go from a Czech russian accent to a mexican with a New York accent while talking.

@arielvega6344 7 жыл бұрын

ughh... the accent. It hurts! 😣

@ihsahn_k 7 жыл бұрын

It's right out from Boris-the-Blade or Boris-the-bullet-dodger from the Snatch by Guy Ritchie. Enjoy it ;)

@Sci_X1 2 жыл бұрын

The accent tells you a lot about the person talking about a certain gun this guy is obviously an expert in all Kalashnikov

@CritikillACClaimed 6 жыл бұрын

The accent man... Don't even bother lol. He sounds like a Chinese guy who lived in Vietnam for 10 years then moved to Finland.

@xXRealXx 4 жыл бұрын

that's oddly specific

@dark-gg4te 4 жыл бұрын

VeitKonG

@alaskanalain 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds spot on

@terencedebruycker3840 Жыл бұрын

Good morning Urie/Steve, I have owned a Vepr 12 for a couple of years and absolutely love it. I just have to go back to this video every so often because I miss Urie (you too Steve). You are simply excellent in switching accents! Please keep posting - as Urie or as yourself - I love you both. Again, all the very best to you (Steve and Urie) and yours, Terry

@joenordby178 Жыл бұрын

I own both a Saiga 12 and Vepr 12, found a SDS lynx 12 on budsgunshop after taxes it was like 350. The Lynx out of the box ran better than both of the better quality about 3 times as expensive guns. It's nowhere near the fit and finish of a vepr but I'm shocked at it working so well! The Saiga I got runs flawlessly firing everything now that I've put some money and time into it. A reliability kit and a tac 47 auto plug, as well as just shooting/ breaking it in is what it took. I'd love to try out one of the newer kalashnikov USA ks 12's.

@sebastianantonio7795 Жыл бұрын

Hi bro, i had a VEPR too, between the VEPR and the Lynkx, Lynx hands down every day.

@matthewmiller7774 5 жыл бұрын

Your vepr drum mag follies looked like my first time out with my saiga before doing some serious bolt carrier polishing. I was wishing I just bought a pump until I got it running right.

@chaboi7 6 жыл бұрын

The accent is a no go

@weathforjr 4 жыл бұрын

The Vepr will run birdshot through the drum, but you need to polish the bolt face, and put a lighter recoil spring on the guide rod. You might need to grind a mm or less off of the hammer and you'll get more reliable results. You probably know all this though.

@Drillmechanic 6 жыл бұрын

Hi ☺ I'm from Ukraine. Saiga & Vepr 12 are produced in Russia not in Ukraine.

@Snortolodmyr-SS-Cokelensky 2 ай бұрын

Slava Z

@Snortolodmyr-SS-Cokelensky 2 ай бұрын

Death to khokhols

@wakeupusa6758 3 жыл бұрын

Found that with a new 25 rd drum, a little powdered graphite added makes the drum slick on inside so it feeds better. Low brass has to be approx 1250 fps or better to work in the Vepr. Pay attention to fps and dram equivalent. A broken in gun ALWAYS runs better. Get it broke in and work your way down in fps or dram until you have a problem, then dont use that ammo. VEPR is a Vepr. Great semi auto 12. Some sharp edges can be filed off here and there to make it less abrasive to fingers etc. With that Russian Sutaev muzzle brake it is more flat shooter, but better, more modern usa made brakes are available. Love the basic crudeness of the AK design. Reliable is what you are after here...not looks! Peace out!

@PetranDose 4 жыл бұрын

I am between a 10 year old VEPR-12 with extras (3 mags x 12), red dot, compensator, 3 chokes, really good condition overall and a new SAIGA 12. The SAIGAs are the only available new in my country at the moment due to NATO sanctions

@molonlabe1033 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like the saiga won to me . I stopped counting after 12 fte but that was blamed on the mag. As far as controls he was slower operating the Vepr . it shoots flatter so put a barrel shroud on your saiga same effect

@grimakastatik 4 жыл бұрын

"why I like the vep12 more than the saiga"....there, fixed the title for you.

@digidork4 3 жыл бұрын

except the Saiga was cycling way better

@grimakastatik 3 жыл бұрын

@@digidork4 true. I had a saiga but sold it. Fun but not practical carry a long 10 rnd mag lol

@TooManyChoices1 2 жыл бұрын

@@grimakastatik Drums exist for a reason…

@TT-ct6ho 6 жыл бұрын

Stronger ammo or a lighter spring or both will take care of that VEPR feeding issue. It does not like 7 and 8 shot in general

@ShirudoSystems 5 жыл бұрын

VEPR is a better target/competition gun and Saiga is a better hunting/combat shotgun. The VEPR wins on reload speed, but it's 'universal' gas block works by bleeding off a ton of gas from 00 buck and slugs so that it can cycle target ammo, but not beat itself apart shooting full power loads. The issue there is that the projectiles are loosing a lot of velocity and power. So though the Saiga 12 is more inconvenient with it's adjustable gas system, you can dial it up to run target ammo or down for full power loads while retaining performance. VEPR is also quite a bit heavier and bulkier. Saiga is lighter and more streamlined with it's standard AK furniture. So again, for a range gun or for competition, mag changes with the VEPR will be faster. For hunting or combat though, the Saiga is easier to carry and better utilizes full power loads.

@ChrisUrsiny 7 жыл бұрын

imho the vepr 12 wins hands down, why? its importable, the saiga has been banned for about 5 years if i recall correctly, plus the vepr 12 seems to be overall less finicky about the ammo it shoots 9 times out of 10 it functions adequately with almost all ammo, the saiga needs a bit more massaging or work if you want to call it that so it functions as it should have right out of the box, personally with my vepr12's i only shoot wolf rifled slugs and high brass buck shot and never ever had a malfunction. if you want any saiga or vepr to work its best polish all contact areas like the bolt, carrier, rails, hammer, etc, this will greatly improve the gun cyclical ability when you are using it.

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

Chris Ursiny hey I've seen a couple of your videos when I was looking for breaks lol. I know what you mean though. I consider the saiga a great project gun if you want to put the wrench time in. I loved building it. Vepr wins yes, but both cool I think. The only time I remember having issues with the vepr was in the video using birdshot in the drum. It's always cycled everything. My saiga is just well broken in over the years, so now I never have an issue either. It ran flawless in the video. No tricky edits anywhere. Everyone saw what happened that day.

@casey197930 7 жыл бұрын

Chris Ursiny how's that ban now lol

@everettstahl4453 7 жыл бұрын

Chris Ursiny Now the Vepr is banned 😔

@fins7195 7 жыл бұрын

Everett Stahl bought my vepr 12 today. Ban didn't stop me from buying it...

@everettstahl4453 7 жыл бұрын

fins 71 Bought 2 Friday, didn't stop me but they're going to dry up and price rise. That's the result of an import ban.

@michaelbrooks3220 5 жыл бұрын

*Goes on about how much better the Vepr’s action and gas system is* Jams on first shot. Lol.

@frankernest3712 4 жыл бұрын

@Michael Brooks It is that drum. SGM products can be hit & miss

@CrudeConduct666 4 жыл бұрын

That's the drums fault, nothing to do with the gas system

@michaelbrooks3220 Жыл бұрын

@@frankernest3712 So he said, but the Saiga ran a drum with only one jam and the action not closing all the way at first. When there’s no indication that the drums came from different manufacturers, and one ran better than the other, I’m inclined to believe it’s the guns, not (just) the drums.

@michaelbrooks3220 Жыл бұрын

@@CrudeConduct666 That’s what he claimed, but there’s no evidence of that, just his word. Meanwhile, the Saiga ran the previous drum with only one jam, and at no point does he indicate they came from different manufacturers. When they both ran drums from presumably the same company, and one runs better than the other, it’s most likely the guns making the difference.

@rickyzuela7569 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I bought the Vepr. I wanted a Saiga, the gunshop owner told me the Vepr was superior. this was 8 years ago.

@charlesbronson2104 4 жыл бұрын

Out of the box yes. But put a little cash into the saiga and it is a fucking pig.

@michaelcabusi2155 7 жыл бұрын

FS Russia? Did you mean FPSRussia? LoL

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

Michael Cabusi hahaha yea but have you ever noticed when he says it with the accent it comes out like FSHH. LOL

@garyharvey4236 6 жыл бұрын

My saiga has an auto plug installed from tak47, it eats everything !,so what it doesn't stay open after it's empty, no big deal when you get used to it, runs perfect !, I wouldn't trade it for a veper, it's not an upgrade in my opinion.

@TheRoadhammer379 5 жыл бұрын

Every guy who doesn't own a Vepr12 says the same shit, 😂

@gomezlove5 7 жыл бұрын

federal 1200 fps birdshot from Wal-Mart will work in the drum. That's what I run.

@TooManyChoices1 2 жыл бұрын

Talks about how good the Vepr is … It immediately starts choking lmao 🤣. Saiga 12 for the win 🏆!

@smyrzashev 7 жыл бұрын

Muzzle break called SUTAEV. I owe ILLIN 3 and ILLIN 3+ for my Saiga-12 mod 340. IMHO 3+ is the best muzzle break.

@MrPTR91 6 жыл бұрын

Love that compensator! Where did you purchase it?

@CTapuKHattabych 7 жыл бұрын

Very good side comparison, from what i see i say Vepr has less recoil and more smooth .

@alecingram4669 7 жыл бұрын

The vepr looks f**king awesome

@soundpainter2590 7 жыл бұрын

That Shooting Guy So do Air Soft toys, How a Gun, WORKS IN BATTLE IS WHAT MATTERS.

@smyrzashev 7 жыл бұрын

Common man, this is not fair. It is very old Saiga version. My Saiga-12 mod 340 for IPSC is real deal!

@somecharactersnotallowed1319 6 жыл бұрын

I used to have a Saiga. Fun gun, but had a few issues that were mostly addressed on the VEPR. Gas adjuster was fucking annoying... it was hard to tell what setting it was on, and got jammed up after not being cleaned commonly to the point where you would need a screwdriver to turn it. No magwell on the saiga was another good selling feature on the vepr - inserting a mag into an ak style rifle can already be a little annoying, but it was even worse on the saiga in my experience. Ended up selling mine because I needed cash at the time, looking to possible buy a new one and will absolutely go vepr if i can get a good price.

@Steve_MP5 6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan h I’ve seen some vepr12s on Atlantic firearms recently for $999 I believe. Probably one of the better prices you’ll find nowadays.

@IWillSmurfYou 7 жыл бұрын

where do you live? love the creepy fog :)

@MistaKnifeguy Жыл бұрын

Saiga shoots like an AK.

@elsea8901 5 жыл бұрын

1400 FPS in the VEPR12 drum and never had a problem since...

@stanviers8792 6 жыл бұрын

Im seeing alot of pros & cons with them both, the auto gas on the vepr seems that it looses a little pressure, whereas with the saiga you dont, i do like the b.h.o on the vepr, my saiga i can load with the bolt closed but it requires more effort. My saiga cycles ALL but Winchester #7&1/2 from walmart. The federal runs fine. No veprs in maryland only chinese knock offs which do work just as good seemingly.

@grimakastatik 4 жыл бұрын

Your argument about the BHO is invalid. The magazine makes it the bolt hold open, not the gun itself.

@Chris-wn3vr 2 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened with my SGM drum mag. I sold that piece of garbage and my 2 12 round mags. I only run factory vepr mags now.

@MrPositivepete 6 жыл бұрын

saiga also has a 50 round drum available.

@kshitijkumar9094 2 жыл бұрын

That just made it a bolt action shotgun lol

@MarkItDownGamingTV98 4 жыл бұрын

Way too much hate good video dog

@MiraSC 4 жыл бұрын

I also read that with a modification to the mags the Saiga mags will work in the Vepr. But Vepr mags can't work in a Saiga.

@aaronsanchezz 3 жыл бұрын

That 25 round drum is gigantic feel like it should at least hold 30

@22tcm34 6 жыл бұрын

Vepr have a nice compensator SAIGA have nothing SO is bad comparison I have both of them super good And you sound more like a Filipino accent

@road_net 3 жыл бұрын

lmao guys its a joke character the accent doesnt matter

@robertrenstrom4668 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's the cabin fever from being inside so long with the pandemic but, I was entertained! :-) You mentioned in an earlier video on the Vepr 12 that you had changed some of the internals to comply with 922R when you changed the charging handle, the OEM handguard and the vertical foregrip. Could you elaborate on those parts; if those parts enhanced performance; where you got them or if it was just a compliance move? My Veper 12 is box stock and I'm still amazed at how good it is though, I like to optimize all my self-defense gear.

@abahchannel23 7 ай бұрын

Nice gun

@irvinhernandez5713 5 жыл бұрын

You make yourself look bad. Trying to talk down on the saiga. 🤣

@whiskeyactual. 5 жыл бұрын

And the winner is: Lynx 12!

@raymondyarosis8991 6 жыл бұрын

Try the Tac47 Auto Plug for your Saiga 12

@pietrocardinali9725 6 жыл бұрын

Molto simpatico tanti saluti da italia ciao zio carletto

@ineverexist666 2 жыл бұрын

Box mag is superior over the drum you get more shots in a drum but it much bigger and more akward to carry and you waste much volume since the shells are in the outside area, realy drums are more for fun than they are practical. Side note realy the true usefull drum magazines where used by the MG 34 and 42 (don´t know if the MG 3 had them), cause these drums where empty and just for holding a 50 round belt and make it more convienient than having a belt hanging of the side where it could be cought by something. Also i real realy want a Vepr-12

@winonabigbrownbeavereater2218 4 жыл бұрын

11:25 Is a combat offhand stance - dodging fire while returning fire .👻

@edwingallardo5992 6 жыл бұрын

President sound good "president talks more"more business anyway have nice day "

@jedermachtigallmighty7345 6 ай бұрын

Where's Urie right now?

@michaelhartzell795 4 жыл бұрын

Phoenix kick lite stock makes a world of difference

@capmadman6486 7 жыл бұрын

muzzel brake on your vepr can be causing some backpressure issues i ran my vepr12 no muzzelbrake same drummag 25 shots of birdshot flawlessly

@shahrozekhurram9836 3 жыл бұрын

The Saiga I have has all the features of the vepr only a little lighter. It's a V30.

@noewey8821 3 жыл бұрын

Doesnt it jam a lot?

@shahrozekhurram9836 3 жыл бұрын

@@noewey8821 why would it?

@indy1698 5 жыл бұрын

Did the additional weight from the charging handle cause cycling issues? I used a steel one and had to take it off because it turned a nice gun into a Jamb O Matic. Try it without the charging handle. I bet it will cycle better.

@sihmonsimcha 3 жыл бұрын

That accent is like Vietnamese like no way Russia

@JDskateAZ 5 жыл бұрын

6:54 he said no mag in the chamber. Boy does he have the anatomy of a gun fucked up

@makavellitheprince5256 3 жыл бұрын

How do you cycle the gas setting for bird shot to buck and to bigger targets? Please explain.

@Theyoufeelme 4 жыл бұрын

A semi auto shotgun with 5 to 10 rounds capacity is the most effective home defense device. Shorter length the better.

@arispapadakis4400 2 жыл бұрын

Benelli m4 The king 👑

@raymondyarosis4146 5 жыл бұрын

Put the comp from the VEPR 12 on the S12 and it will shoot just as flat, both have M22x.75 threads...so that is a little unfair to the S12. A little practiced technique and you can load on a S12 closed bolt and be just as fast as the VEPR. Both great shotguns but the review is a bit biased toward the VEPR.....

@the-not-bigkuhrbowsky4869 7 жыл бұрын

shouldn't shoot buckshot with the low brass springs in no? also, may I request that you swap breaks gun to gun and see what that does? they are diff guns , beprs over gassed, so its really not an apples to apples comparison...

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

you can shoot buck with low brass kit. Just turn you gas setting down to 1-2. It really wasn't meant to be apples to apples. however, at the end of the day they are both 12g shotguns. one with a manual gas adjustment to try and get them similar. it generally shows how effective the comp is.

@johnsfixton8857 6 жыл бұрын

No 8 birdshot varies from 24 gram (target loads for those that shoot clay with over under ) to 36 gram for real small bird hunting at 38 to 40 grams is semi or baby or demi magnum so it is the load that matters not the number of the shot 00 buck i am not sure but it must be at 34 grams

@alxknorr21 6 жыл бұрын

You can stop bolt open on Saiga by holding bolt and pushing trigger

@1888CHAD8881 5 жыл бұрын

Really? Can you explain a little better.. im a noob.

@AndyMc1952 5 жыл бұрын

Its your compensator man.........put a screw in full choke on it and it will run anything.......had the same issue now mine runs LB like candy and switch to HB BS and 3" no problem.

@muhmdml6247 Жыл бұрын

How much is the price of Viber and how much is the price of Saiga

@madmaxd1 6 жыл бұрын

Please No Yuri.... in any accent... Unless it's the CIA using it instead of waterboarding... As far as the VEPR vs. Saiga. I think the Saiga went through some of the growing pains for which the VEPR benefited from. The VEPR is definitely more refined and geared more for competition than the Saiga. When the Saiga started coming in to the States, it was more of a gimmick than practical. VEPR on the other hand, are heavily used in some countries in 3 Gun competition. As a matter of fact even the latest Chinese variants are equipped similarly as the VEPRs. I own a VEPR for several years now and I've done some work to it as well and I will have to admit that it is one of the smoothest auto I've shot.

@lazn9863 6 жыл бұрын

It was the drum veprs never block

@TheJupiter1 6 жыл бұрын

The vepr 12 will have feed issues if you use ammo under 1300 fps

@Roverrtym 6 жыл бұрын

Depends on the brand ! i try winchester 1200fps and it wont cycle every time. the federal 1200fps on the other hand , cycles every time .

@gattochesbircia2837 6 жыл бұрын

Accident be like what is di we

@franciscocontreras897 5 жыл бұрын

stopped watching before the 1 minute mark because of the accent

@1888CHAD8881 3 жыл бұрын

How do get a bolt hold open tab on a Saiga? I got a KS12T that needs one.

@LukeKwan78 5 жыл бұрын

Can u explain again why the vepr with the drum didn’t work? I had a JM930 did same thing and I sold it bc of the cycling issues!

@Steve_MP5 5 жыл бұрын

Luke Kwan that drum likes cycling heavy loads. 00 buck or any hot loads will cycle fine in my experience.

@dedebobtaz6628 2 жыл бұрын

I have buy anyone, the molot vepr; is a beast like a russian bear!

@MThrow 7 жыл бұрын

Would sure be nice if SGM made 12 round drums for the Vepr, I'd buy at least 5 of them, lol. Another feature the Vepr has that's different from the Saiga that I like is that on the Vepr, you insert your magazine straight into the magwel like an AR instead of rocking it in AK style as the Saiga does.

@potatokilr7789 4 жыл бұрын

Urie from Asia

@waheedullahghazimmd.7296 Жыл бұрын

Price

@jdl6881 7 жыл бұрын

Don't understand why sgm made a 25 drum it's too big bulky it just isn't practical. I own one and it just looks ridiculous. A 20 would be perfect

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

hadji annihilator it seems like they were just trying to outdo promag and be more economical than those big metal skeletonized ones that other company makes with higher capacity. It is huge though for only a 5 round difference. Probably could have fit 30

@gatorbud22 6 жыл бұрын

hadji annihilator they have a 20 and 12 round drums just not by Sgm tactical.. I think it's promag

@mrfish3971 4 жыл бұрын

My Buddy bought the sagia I bought the veper now he wishes he had bought the veper.

@stephanlewis76 3 жыл бұрын

Federal 1500 fsp

@dr.remerb8011 6 жыл бұрын

Defenetly see the better gas system of the veper. (NOT) Cant ve that good if you had to manually cycle the shots 90% of the time. There is veats a saiga.

@zardadkhan2555 Жыл бұрын

I have saiga wanting vaper

@treeguyable 6 жыл бұрын

Asian, Spanish accent , funny.

@user-um9xj9uk1t 6 жыл бұрын

это была попытка говорить с русским акцентом? (it was an attempt to speak with a Russian accent?)

@Bakelitebandito 5 жыл бұрын

Break the weld? So it came welded? Stever_MP5

@Steve_MP5 5 жыл бұрын

ROB R yes. Importation 922r rules. I did a video on it.

@walterlangkowski4723 3 жыл бұрын

I liked the video help me choose I’m getting the vepr most tho because my brother loves all things saiga so I have to go a different route

@Thedoggieshow19068 6 жыл бұрын

MUDAK

@OwnedEpicStyle 6 жыл бұрын

Why did this dude start talking like that once he started shooting

@ulflyng 6 жыл бұрын

👍

@shawnbanger8710 3 жыл бұрын

Based on this video the vepr seems a little overated to me the saiga seems like a good gun without all the extra features of the vepr

@noewey8821 3 жыл бұрын

Doesnt the saiga jam a lot?

@shawnbanger8710 3 жыл бұрын

@@noewey8821 I've heard rumors that some do and that some of them run perfectly fine

@squideye1144 4 жыл бұрын

Funny

@MrRoob420 4 жыл бұрын

Damn,with jams like that I'd rather have a pump

@CrudeConduct666 4 жыл бұрын

It's because he's running drums that aren't perfectly cleaned. Believe me, I have a VEPR and with my 12 round mags no matter what I put in it, birdshot to slugs it runs flawlessly every time.

@galaxywell4838 4 жыл бұрын

Does Saiga and Vpr use the same magazine?

@Steve_MP5 4 жыл бұрын

@PM-mr8ky 7 жыл бұрын

do you know if the siaga mags fit the vepr? I dont have my siaga anymore but have an opportunity to buy a vepr 12 fs

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

Peter Mose as far as I know they don't.

@bdirenzo1 6 жыл бұрын

They do if you file down a few sections

@stoner_pinky 7 жыл бұрын

Urie, you have a typo in the title..."veer" instead of vepr

@Steve_MP5 7 жыл бұрын

caught that and fixed it!! Thanks!!

@stoner_pinky 7 жыл бұрын

No problem Steve.

@donaldrobertson2548 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of compensator on the Vepr?

@Steve_MP5 5 жыл бұрын

Donald Robertson I did a separate video with the upgraded parts. Check that out!

@tomdangelo3162 7 жыл бұрын

No Urie

@TheBelrick 6 жыл бұрын

I have a saiga 12, it is a piece of shit and i love it to bits.

@Misja.Maununen 6 жыл бұрын

I liked this video.I would have liked it even better if you didn't pronounce saiga as sega.

@TheRoadhammer379 5 жыл бұрын

I don't know if you are American or not but before you bag on him for pronunciation, go to Google Translate and translate from English to Russian, the word SAIGA. Then listen to the audio pronunciation...its SAYGA, even the phonetic spelling is SAY GA.