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I like the one with a head or something

Eh. I think Deborah Tate did more damage than Ken Penders did.

@@psyxypher3881 what did he do?

@@hi_tobby3771 Deborah Tate was in charge of Fleetway and made a lot of poor decisions. The most egregious of which was firing one of the lead talents, which accelerated the comic's demise.

@@psyxypher3881 Safe to say that they both did equal damage to each of the continuities one worked on. For the fandom in it's entirety? I see mostly Ken taking the heat.

@@psyxypher3881 Deb singlehandledly killed fleetway while Ken killed off not only archie but everything involved with his and forced sega to be more hands on with western sonic

They better in the comics.

So Eggman is there daddy?

@@Magicghost23 IMO only Zavok is a bit more interesting in IDW the rest are still kinda meh

@@pugman9672 True that I should’ve said they felt more of a threat.

And they're missing a member. If you're gonna copy the koopalings get the number right

“-and he never gave me the recognition I deserved.” “Holy shit we’re twinning right now.”

I feel like Snively would be the one to screw him over if they were on the same side as each other.

@@rayvenkman2087 I love Snively as a character, but I think Starline's ability to actually plan things out means he floors the little guy. The core appeal of Snively, for me at least, is in his name: he's a pathetic little wretch that can't really do anything right. Sure he's clever and conniving, but he's also dependent on his betters. Snively betraying Starline would go just about as well for him as his betrayals of Eggman; that is to say, "not well." ***SPOILERS FOR IDW AND ARCHIE*** (if that matters) Eggman kept Snively alive because Snively didn't threaten him. Starline, however, was dispatched of as soon as he proved himself capable. It was the same with A.D.A.M. and Mecha-- as soon as Eggman realised they could succeed in overthrowing him (or at least seriously interfere with his plans), they were destroyed. Snively was just never worth it. But maybe I'm overselling Starline. After all, he got duped by Zavok twice. Fucking Zavok. Twice.

@@zuresei tbf, Zavok, even though he still isn’t the best, is written infinitely better than in the games

@@zuresei To be fair, Snively is a MUCH greater threat than eggman, which Robuttnik himself agreed (Something his ego has never let him do before that point). I mean Snively almost destroyed EVERYTHING

Snively getting locked away is sinister enough and I'm all here for it

Technically, Antoine does die. Ian Flynn posted a dissertation circa 2015 on what would have happened had Penders not sued. Flynn's plan was for everything to go wrong for the Freedom Fighters from issue 225 to 275. Sally would be roboticised. Naugus would take the throne. The Acorns would be forced into hiding. Antoine would die. NICOLE would become a pariah. The list goes on. Long story short, the storyline got bleak as hell. This was nipped in the bud in the final draft when Sonic sulks after bollocking Silver then Tails and Amy tell him to snap out of it.

@@dannypalin9583 So people are okay with Flynn killing Antoine and not Penders killing Sally? I say don't kill any of them.

This to this day still surprises me.

@@macuser7048 it's all about execution. The way Sally died was weird and convoluted. The way Antoine was going to die would have been a tragic loss in an already terrible situation. Also the timing of it was poor, at the time that End Game came out people who were fans of the comic and SatAM were huge Sally fans. Ken Penders tried to kill off a bunch of people's favorite character right after having introduced a bunch of nobodies (one being a possible self-insert) and made the story all about them in what, at the time, was going to be the final hurrah for the series. For clarification the Sonic team at Archie thought that SEGA was going to be cancelling the comic pretty soon and wanted to give the series an actual ending (hence End Game) rather than it being cancelled mid-arc. Which sadly and somewhat ironically is what ended up happening anyway almost two decades later.

Snively wasn't just any lackey to the doc, he was the longest lasting lackey. Freakin showed up in the early comics as early as issue 6 when he guest starred in a Christmas special, and then became an actual lackey in issue 8. He truly developed as a main villain over time, but he maintained the same unhealthy habits of Starscream from the Decepticons.

If only SEGA would LISTEN!!!! 😡

Agreed, he was like the "Starscream" of Sonic and is one of my favorite Sonic comic villains that aren't Robotnik/Eggman.

It would be cool to see him again, but there will be some issues especially with the lore of sonic itself, like is he in the Archie comic dimension or not, was eggman, to the last entry sonic frontiers, a robot all this time, and so on and so forth, you see what I mean.

well the platopus villian IS kind of snibleys succesor

@@louzo5175 Well, he sucks in my book! I can come up with a better successor than that!

In the new IDW comics, they did a similar thing with a new villain called Dr. Starline and it was pretty great honestly. It didn't stretch nearly the amount of time of Snively's whole thing, but it was really good honestly.

​@@SoIstice wouldn't really say they similar considering starline was generally loyal.

The deadly six did also plot against him.

@fighting media lounge I definitely recommend catching up on the comics if you haven't cause he started out genuinely loyal, but you know what they say, don't meet your heroes.

@@SoIstice that's why I used the term generally instead of completely; because of what happens later in the comics.

THIS!! That's what makes him a great villain. You feel real bad for him because of his sad backstory and the abuse he faces, but at the same time, you can't excuse the atrocities he committed. I don't see why Sega won't bring him back, he has the potential to be a powerful character in a sonic game

​@@trollanlord85 agreed

Me too.

Let's be real, "Robian" is far from the worst name Eggman's ever cooked up. This man called his ultimate weapon "The Egg Beater."

@@ToaArcan that's what they called themselves. The others just accepted it.

@@mhollis1989 I'll take your word for it, it's been a while since I read old Archie.

@@ToaArcanWhat other names can you come up with that don’t include Death Egg Robot, but still have the Egg prefix for that Death Egg Robot looking machine?

@@aidanhammans9337 Egg Titan, Egg Colossus, something in that vague area. I'm not great with names myself, I don't even remember if those have been used before.

SNIVEL I WILL DEMIST YOU

If they ever do decide to bring back Snively, I could easily see Orbot and Cubot working well off of him. With Snively being constantly mistreated and abused by his uncle, it only makes sense that his closest companions would be a duo of incompetent robots that he’s forced to work with.

Really robotniks only underlings that really did anything where scratch and grounder (they had more impact on the plots if those drug trips then tails did) and snivley

​@@theconnorthatusedtoreactto6283 eh, there's also starline.

@@theconnorthatusedtoreactto6283 Scratch and Grounder will always be the superior dumbot lackeys.

theres also funky story about cunning right hand of eggman recenetly(hes dead vut oh well at least the platopus henchman left surge n tsunami aafter him, epiic)

Sadly, SEGA seems intent on flushing Archie and Fleetway down the drain. Huge shame. Burning down that part of the franchise while consistently failing to produce high quality games really just dooms my boy Sonic to being the joke of the video game community.

@@gregm4813 Sega never liked western sonic to begin with anyway so this shouldn’t be a surprise, the movies being the one exception. Almost like how Nintendo doesn’t care much for Krystal

Honestly Finetivus always felt like the one comic villain that could actually fit into the games no issue at least imo, iron queen being a large maybe. Adventure era characters hanging out with the freedom fighters always fascinated me

With all these ideas I wish they had made a story of their own, over tacking it onto Sonic, and maybe we would still have classic sonic games on a regular basis. Rather than "Classic sonic" in his own microcosm. I just have to hope Super MArio's weird uncle won't turn evil and become the new "fan favorite" roster filler, now that the Mario movie does similar rear pulls as Sonic SatAM.

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Or the “Star Fox” franchise in general.

Everyone knows that Sonic's real name is Orville Redenbacher, like the old dude from popcorn.

If he has a real name they never revealed and we know Ogilvie is the idea they had cooking for it, then it's the closest thing we have and may have even been put in later had the comic not been canceled. But more importantly it's funny, so I choose to believe it.

His real name is Sonic Sonic

Wait, Snively's defeat was meant to be shocking?

@@ToaArcan It was meant to show just how truly evil Eggman was. He could've just had him go back to being his toady, but instead he left him to die.

@@bowserbreaker2515 I don't think that needed to be shown. By that point, we already knew Eggman had nuked his own world to glass, turned most of his family into steel statues due to the way the Roboticizer works on humans, used people as batteries through a machine that not only leeched their life-force but also mind-wiped them for no reason, which resulted in Charmy getting permanent brain damage, surgically implanted cherry bombs in the skulls of his underlings during the process of cutting their limbs off and replacing them with weapons, including doing so to children, willingly used a weapon that would've killed every last one of his minions and destroyed all of his empire if it had actually successfully fired, and carved up Mecha Sally without powering her down, when it had been established that Robians see, hear, and feel everything, they're just powerless to do anything about it. Eggman being the scum of the multiverse was well-established by then. Being a dick to a guy who betrayed him is like #45897 on the list of reasons he's a monster. The only thing shocking about his treatment of Snively is that he didn't find a way to be even crueller. He didn't legionise him or put a bomb in his head or do anything like his usual antics, he just put him in a box forever. Also the issue where Eggman actually beats Snively and locks him up came out like four months after the main book already confirmed that Eggman won and Snively was dealt with, because the arc took place entirely between Issue 234 and Issue 235 of the main book.

SEGA is still allowed to use him? How come? If so then why doesn’t he appeared more often.

@@jmachero5852 SEGA are violently allergic to using anything they didn't explicitly create in-house, and even more allergic to ever admitting that their American branch ever had a good idea. These are the people that had us in a situation where Sonic and co. were from an alien world, where several of their adventures took place, but that planet was referred to only as "Sonic's World" instead of the extant name that SEGA of America gave the same concept back in 1991. There _has_ been a bit of a shift lately, with more IDW elements being shouted out, but how long that goes on for remains to be seen. IDW as a company is in pretty bad shape (Their profits have been on a steady but dramatic decline since early 2019), so if they go under and kill the Sonic comics all over again, SEGA will probably just drop the comic references all over again.

Considering they play the motif of the satam robotnik song I’m willing to bet they at least took inspiration from snivley for stone

Primary inspiration was that they needed a role for another Hollywood hire to fill in. That's just why Snively was written in to begin with, why everything becomes so formulaic. The big bad needs that foil so the same plot beats can be easily deliverd, and sometimes it turns out fine. That's why Nina Cortex exists when the whole gagn og evil scinetist is already there, they didn't care how redundant it is. Man I still wish they had gotten the Crash IP instead for the Sonic movie. I STILL wish Disney would pair up Ugly sonic and Crash, maybe even get Illumination to remake Hop with them starring.

@@MILDMONSTER1234 no they played the aosth motif in the movie snivley doesn’t appear in that

If I had a nickel for every character who is a Snively type character but they’re gay for Eggman, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

​@@sboinkthelegday3892 wouldn't say lee was much of a hollowood hire, and his role was expanded thanks to Carrey.

If that happened in the films...

Not me

I miss the SatAM characters too, I don't know why people hate them so much.

@@donisamwentete5079 Cry more

@@ligtningdog6399 nah

​@@piranhalettuceMy guess is that they don't find them interesting or they serve no purpose. Fans hate Sally because of the comic lore, Rotor is forgettable, nobody likes Antonio, Nicole is just there, and Bunnie deserves better

I think an issue slightly after confirmed that Antoine died which caused Bunny Rabot to leave the Freedom Fighters. Antoine was revived in the reboot.

@@hydrocityshark antoine is in the hospital in a coma until the second genesis wave

@@hydrocityshark Nah. He was shown to be in a comatose state in a hospital bed following that incident.

@@ZoomToMalware Though it was a lethal coma.

@@geoffreyrichards6079 In the original draft, Antoine did die.

I know this comment is a joke but Dr Robotnik's mean bean machine was probably the sonic game me and my family would mostly play out of all sonic games, so the reference is something i hugely appreciate :')

😂

​@@rockhistoria2537 it's honestly a great game

Yeah same lol

Search "Archie Sonic Online"

There actually is a fan continuation of the events pre reboot called Archie Sonic Online.

HOW TF HAVE I NOT HEARD OF THIS!?

Same.

And there's Sonic Retold by Glitcher also continuing the same thing but much better art and a but bleaker like Sonic having nightmares of losing Sally but add character development for Amy.

Just MUCH less intellegent or interesting... Kinda like the majority of the current human cast. I don't watch Sonic for "Buddy Cop" "Angry Black lady stereotype" "completely inferior less redeemable G.U.N. Commander" "Or Moron guy who clearly wouldn't manage to join even the most desperate police force, of any kind" And definitely not Sonic doing dances nobody actually does. The rest of it was perfect. But we are so blinded by how bad the franchise got before that point, We take any scraps we can get. It mentally hurt me when I saw that video of the kid in the theatre when Shadow was teased yell "Is ThAt SoNiC dOt ExE"

@@TyshaggyGaming Marketability. Also, I don’t think they could’ve made a more realistic Sonic.Exe Reference.

@@aubueruser7228 Comprehension level: 0 I did not say Sonic.Exe was refrenced, I said dumb ahh kids in theatres thinkg Shadow was Sonic.Exe cause they're tainted by Fnf

@@TyshaggyGaming Oh. God damnit I thought you were referencing a scene.

@@aubueruser7228 Well, you "Could" call a kid screaming in a theatre a scene. ;)

_Palzy._

Honestly, Archie has lots of genuinely great villains.

I feel like the Egg Bosses in the Archie reboot were among Eggman’s other lackeys that probably came close to rivaling the likes of Metal Sonic and Snively, with each of them having unique characterizations and personal conflicts that made them surprisingly compelling or interesting villains/anti-villains. Weather it was Nephthys the Vulture secretly collaborating with the local Freedom Fighters in an effort to make the conflict seem real to keep their homeland safe, Clove the Pronghorn being forced to join Eggman’s ranks in order to save her gravely-ill sister’s life with cyborg enhancements, Mordred Hood trying to maintain what little power he had left in the kingdom he supposedly inherited, and Thunderbolt the Chinchilla just being a hyper, sadistic fangirl of the doctor among others. Had Bunnie’s uncle Beauregard been spared from the reboot, he too would’ve been a great anti-villain under Eggman’s belt, being a victim of discrimination by a shady team of Freedom Fighters who still saw him as an enemy despite being deroboticized. In terms of other Sonic villains, I know people are kinda mixed on Naugus. Sure, he’s not exactly a compelling character, but his whole shtick of being an evil wizard of both arcane knowledge and eldritch powers, to which even Eggman himself fears, really helps him stand out from Eggman’s whole aesthetic.

@@AzafuseKingTora agreed! If you feel like answering, what are your favorite ones? Sorry I’m just a big fan of the Archie sonic villains lmao

@@icejuice4212 Hell, Im just someone who's just getting into the comics but I love the concept and design of Enerjak, it's like something youd see in a Shounen from the 80 's and 90's like some YYH or Saint Seiya type thing.

@@AzafuseKingTora Enerjak and Finitevus are such a top tier villain team. That arc was so good.

I can’t edit, but I can add that making him the avatar would actually make no sense

Don't think that would have done much for his character.

@@fightingmedialounge519 Agreed, there would have to be the actual present execution in the game because Sega would probably have released this kind of backstory in a comic rather than touch on it in the game

I dunno about that, Merlina and Mephiles are a lot better then iron queen and pre Ian Flynn scourge

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Pre-Ian Flynn Scourge doesn’t even exist. There was just evil Sonic, Ian Flynn turned him into Scourge and gave him a personality. Also, yeah, pre-Ian Flynn stuff is sometimes hit or miss. It took time to find good writers, but when they did, the comic became amazing! As for the villains, yeah, I understand. Mephiles and Merlina were great. However, Archie simply has… more. And some of the archie villains are just as interesting as game villains, if not more. A couple of examples: Enerjak, Ixis Naugus, Scourge, Geoffrey St. John, Dr Finitevus. Btw, this is just my opinion. I just can’t help but love the archie villains.

​@@drnexel He had personality before Flynn, it was just pretty basic.

@@drnexel Ehh, a significant portion of Flynn's Scourge _doesn't exist_ without Penders' version. Almost all of his early stories are built on the foundation of Issue 150-151, unfortunately. His infiltration of Knothole and attempts to steal the Master Emerald are the crux of everything significant from Issue 160 through to Knuxerjak. Honestly, he'd be a far better character if Flynn and co. had done the smart thing and distanced themselves from 150 as much as they possibly could, but nope, his first few appearances are direct sequels to "The One Where Evil Sonic Becomes An Attempted Rapist."

Surge and Kit would be really good playable characters if they ever decided to do a Hero and Dark story type of game again. They're similar enough to Sonic and Tails to fit the typical gameplay roles of speed and flight characters, but they're different enough to have really different gameplay past that.

Kind of weird given stones feelings towards robotnik.

Oh yeah, it’s a shame for them to not acknowledge the team that has a girl with no clothes in it Great logic

@@iceman92211why are you such a weirdo

@@MetroGexual because I’m trying to protect the franchise from the people that are destroying the consistency of the girls.

What about it?

Listen to what she says she isn't.

​​@@ashuraomega7113 Did you notice it?

@@leonglitch she meant that from a moral point of view

@@ashuraomega7113 But she says SHE isn't his BROTHER

Not really. Starline, Snively and even Agent Stone have somewhat different dynamics.

I agree with him. Didn’t he beat up Sonic and lose his squad to Shadow?