Jaeger-leCoultre could be so much better

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This Watch, That Watch

This Watch, That Watch

Күн бұрын

Jaeger-leCoultre is an iconic brand. The reverso is an icon. The Polaris is cool, but often JLC is also kind of "Meh...." and they get flack for raising prices by 30-40% in one go. They're probably doing fine as a business but for such an iconic brand, they could be so much better.
In this video, I discuss the problems I think JLC has and how they could potentially improve their brand.
Enjoy.
Cheers.!
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@SoobinOh
@SoobinOh 2 ай бұрын
I gotta say, I consume a lotta watch content. But these days your channel has risen to the top for me and I’m not even a customer of any brand over 3k
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thank you - Really happy that you enjoy my contribution to the watch world 😊😊
@MS-tg6hc
@MS-tg6hc 2 ай бұрын
Stop buying shitters and focus on saving up. The purchase has gotta hurt!!
@julienfroidevaux1143
@julienfroidevaux1143 Ай бұрын
​@@MS-tg6hcok Archie . Anyone who thinks a 3 K is a shitter is ethier deluded or playing a character like U . Hey Archie I ❤ Vostok .😂
@man8god
@man8god Ай бұрын
best watch channel going around now
@walkerb1734
@walkerb1734 2 ай бұрын
I have owned and daily-worn my JLC Geophysic 1958 for a decade now and absolutely LOVE it! Amazing piece from an amazing Manufacturer.
@oysterman962
@oysterman962 2 ай бұрын
You are one of the rare enthusiasts that put your money where your mouth is. A lot of collectors, including KZfaqrs applaud JLC and Breguet as being underrated and worthy of holy trinity status but none have ventured into ownership of a JLC watch. Instead they're buying Grand Seiko and niche micro brands.
@AttilatheMike
@AttilatheMike 2 ай бұрын
I had a Geophysic 1958 and loved it. Moved it on after a few years, but was glad to own it. I do think where the brand is now feels different from back in 2014 though, and not in a good way.
@Superdada
@Superdada 2 ай бұрын
I love the Geophysics 1958! JLC has so many heavy hitters in their back catalogue. Not sure why don’t get back to their roots.
@Janomlk
@Janomlk Ай бұрын
Their lack of popularity is what appeals to me as a consumer. I have a Rolex and a Cartier but only wear my reverso. I like the fact it’s less obvious and no one I know recognises the brand. It makes it feel more exclusive.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Ай бұрын
Agree on that point 😀
@69fastfurious
@69fastfurious Ай бұрын
Cartier now are hype love them but in my country not very popular only women versions
@balesjo
@balesjo Күн бұрын
Am in complete agreement with you. I don't want watches that people (and thieves) can identify at 30 paces distance. I also don't want a watch that sells from the hype generated around it as being a "must have" (looking at you Rolex, Omega, and Cartier). There are incredible luxury brands that fly slightly under the radar, that watch connoisseurs and collectors are aware, that compel people to as "what is that beautiful watch! Who makes it" instead of "That's a Rolex, isn't it?" Luxury manufacturers that appeal to me are of course JLC (dress watches), Girard-Perregaux (for the integrated sports watch "Laureato"), Glashutte Original (they have a wide selection that I love), Grand Seiko (incredible watches, I love the creativity of the dials, the case designs, the materials used, the finishing, and the movements). Longines produces beautiful watches that are ones I'd wear to work or for an everyday watch). Then there are the smaller "boutique" brands like MORITZ GROSSMANN (just wow!), F.P. Journe, and Grönefeld that you really have to be in the know to find them.
@zohebzanepiranditta5549
@zohebzanepiranditta5549 2 ай бұрын
This is an incredible breakdown. I'm not biased towards any brand. I think the challenge, which you touched on, is that the flagship watch is the reverso and in order to understand how great a rectangular watch is, you need to actually try it on. I purchased a small seconds in Green 1 year after trying it on at a boutique - before the price hike . I simply could not get it out of my head. I was not expecting to like it. But once on the wrist, I could truly appreciate it. I've never seen anyone else where a reverso in person. I where mine dressed down with jeans and a T Shirt. It's the watch that gets the most compliments. The green and unique rectangular shape really makes it pop. Notwithstanding the lack of reverso's I see in real life, I almost feel it makes it more special. The hype around these popular steel models arguably makes them boring due to oversaturation of images and video content. I'm torn, I want JLC to get more credit but I also love that its a best kept secret amongst watch enthusiasts. Do you not think, if it got that 'hype' watch it would counteract the quiet luxury positioning?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback. 😊😊 As to your point - There's a reason that JLC is often associated with enthusiasts. You have to be a bit non-conformist to fall for a square watch from a non household name brand. Anybody can fall in love with Rolex branding. Walking into a JLC boutique takes a conscious decision that not many make. And buying a REverso over a Speedy (or some other watch)? That's not something that happens often 😊😊
@zohebzanepiranditta5549
@zohebzanepiranditta5549 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch I agree with your point, I think one of the big pulls for the brand is that silent luxury positioning, its that 'if you know, you know' factor. Maybe that is the point of the JLC positioning. When it comes to Rolex especially, when I see someone wearing one, it's like the equivalent of a VW Golf. Great watch, but it's the easy option for those that don't know. Also too many good looking fakes. I like your comparison between JLC and VC. Apart from the 222 I find VCs very unremarkable from.a design perspective. Even the bracelet design of the Overseas is a miss. Looking forward the to next video
@xBboySpazzx
@xBboySpazzx 2 ай бұрын
Watch inside resonate with me much deeper than much of the content on KZfaq. Thank you for making these happy videos and I selfishly asked for you to keep doing so
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@dscotp185
@dscotp185 2 ай бұрын
IMHO, Your channel is the Best, Intellectual Watch Channel on KZfaq. Excellent discussions. Keep up the great work.
@devileanblack
@devileanblack 2 ай бұрын
Definitely. His take is always on point. His analysis quality of company/brands is very rare in KZfaq let alone watch world.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
I am just doing my own thing and happy that people find my rants worth 15-25 minutes of their time once a week. Cheers 😊😊😊
@devileanblack
@devileanblack 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch cheers, mate. Hope this channel grows more. You totally deserve.
@nikolastojanov8749
@nikolastojanov8749 2 ай бұрын
Once again I am amazed how good your analysis is, we are just nor used to this level of quality on youtube, not in the watch space nor anywhere else. About JLC, Richemont will just not let them compete with Vacheron. Its the same story as Longines and Omega, and there are other examples. They could do so much better by refocusing their catalog, the way they are now, they are a all-rounder that cant really excel on any of multiple fronts they try to excel at
@mmbrey4973
@mmbrey4973 2 ай бұрын
Totally d‘accord with that!
@user-ls3oz7oj3f
@user-ls3oz7oj3f 2 ай бұрын
You are the most knowledgeable on watch matters and your presentation is always worth watching. I learn a lot.
@user-ls3oz7oj3f
@user-ls3oz7oj3f 2 ай бұрын
It’s like listening to a professor at the University
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Very kind of you 😊
@cgsmed
@cgsmed 2 ай бұрын
i enjoy watching your videos. Very insightful! Keep up the great work.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
I'm just happy you enjoy them and keep coming back - thanks 😀
@FlyinColorz
@FlyinColorz 2 ай бұрын
Your analysis is superb and unparalleled in the watch community. You have a new subscriber. Keep it up!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
thank you - I will try my best 😊😊
@EdmundPorter-ju8kd
@EdmundPorter-ju8kd 2 ай бұрын
I very much look forward to your weekly commentary. Thank you
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for stopping by as always 😊😊
@zander4517
@zander4517 2 ай бұрын
Great analysis, love that you actually bring some unique content, keep it up!!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Will try my very very best .😃
@vicrod5
@vicrod5 2 ай бұрын
Concise, insightful analysis as usual, keep up the good work.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! as always 😀😀
@klausnielsen7102
@klausnielsen7102 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate your thoughts and analyses as the apply to a number of other markets like high-end audio and cars etc..
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
thanks a ton 😊😊
@TimRobertsen
@TimRobertsen 2 ай бұрын
It's a good saturday when TW,TW posts a video!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
lol 😂😂
@_DioBrando_
@_DioBrando_ 2 ай бұрын
Richemont killed the myth and magic of JLC tbh.
@Nextman916
@Nextman916 2 ай бұрын
How?
@MyVideosWillCalmU
@MyVideosWillCalmU 2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@_DioBrando_
@_DioBrando_ 2 ай бұрын
@@Nextman916 Their current catalog seems intentionally limited. JLC have the engineering and artistic ability to produce new models but I guarantee you Richemont put a cap on stuff like that so the brands under their umbrella don't compete with each other.
@tariqjoseph3562
@tariqjoseph3562 2 ай бұрын
@@Nextman916if you’ve been interested in luxury watches over the past decade you’d know how.
@sgman41
@sgman41 2 ай бұрын
And who wants to see Reversos advertised at bus stops (as JLC now does, at least in Australia)…?
@mehmetsert6314
@mehmetsert6314 2 ай бұрын
JLC should pay you for this video as a consulting fee 👌 very insightful & great video as always
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
I'll send them a bill and see what happens. 😂😂
@matthias8574
@matthias8574 2 ай бұрын
the price hikes were just to much for me - JLC increase prices by up to 40% on some models - for the exact same watch. I was thinking on getting their Master Control Chrono Calender which was around 15k two years ago, but they increase that to 20k (25%) in just one year. I agree with most of what you said - the Polaris has just too much good competition in that price range, plus its bracelet is terrible.
@MegaThucydides
@MegaThucydides 2 ай бұрын
Like your takes. Here I have 2 points: 1. While I agree on the utility of a dressy-tool spectrum, I find I don't agree with some of your specific placements, e.g. of the Rolex models 2. Your advice towards the end, of removing some options such as the steel moonphase, is decidedly pro-business and anti-consumer. More choices at attractive prices are better for buyers
@allenmontrasio8962
@allenmontrasio8962 2 ай бұрын
My perception is that the whole video is purposefully pro-business.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
It is very pro business for sure. This was not a "do what the enthusiasts want" video. This was a "let's figure out a way to make more money for JLC video".... 😂😂
@MegaThucydides
@MegaThucydides 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch There is win-win pro-business (i.e. it is pro-consumer as well, for example innovating new tech that saves costs, boosts performance and/or lowers price). Then there's pro-business at the expense of consumers and other stakeholders; think zero-sum, vulture capitalism, and other forms of corporate malfeasance. Raising prices while providing little tangible benefit belongs in the latter category. I get this may be your expertise, but curious as to why you think watch enthusiasts would be interested in corporate advice that mainly pads the bottom line, while arguably detrimental to the hobby?
@erikdunbar4451
@erikdunbar4451 2 ай бұрын
Wow great video! I’m a JLC guy and I completely agree. Glad I found your channel.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you! 😃
@c1pher428
@c1pher428 2 ай бұрын
JLC is by far my favourite brand and I am lucky enough to own an ultra thin. BUT their recent price hikes were difficult to accept, I will not buy their product at retail anymore.
@KrolKaz
@KrolKaz 2 ай бұрын
They don't care because they don't want you as a customer anymore, that's a big reason why the price hiked occurred.
@c1pher428
@c1pher428 2 ай бұрын
@@KrolKaz this is an interesting point, because I want to build a 3 watch collection from JLC, I would be a returning customer and an advocate for the brand. But I’m assuming they want more high-end clientele, which causes a couple of issues for JLC. From a pop culture perspective I don’t believe JLC has enough weight in terms of brand popularity, as they don’t offer what is hot at the moment. (A true Sports models).
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Many won't, I expect. 😊😊
@suds782
@suds782 2 ай бұрын
@@KrolKazI see your point only thing is that currently in 2024 people will buy a Patek calatrava for double the price before they get a JLC ultra thin . It’s how people who can afford one think in general . Am not talking about watch enthusiasts am talking about folks who have the money to buy a JLC and want the status that goes with it . Again just my opinion . JLC will have to go through pain before they are sitting up there where they want to go. Current economic climate is not going to be easy to make people spend £10k and ones who can in this market with high interest rates can very well spend £20k for a calatrava or patrimony or code 11
@DavidMiller-lk3ir
@DavidMiller-lk3ir 2 ай бұрын
You can always go to an authorized dealer maybe not the boutique and ask what they can do for you. Someone is always ready to deal, shop around.
@MyVideosWillCalmU
@MyVideosWillCalmU 2 ай бұрын
This was so well thought out and put to together. And i agree wholeheartedly with your opinion on JLC, you've done it again sir masterpiece video👍🏾🔥🔥
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it - Hopefully I'm not hurting any JLC lovers out there. Just sharing my thoughts 😀😀
@affegorilla1299
@affegorilla1299 2 ай бұрын
This grey Polaris Chronograph is just so nice!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Agree 😊
@fifthpint4571
@fifthpint4571 2 ай бұрын
You really know what works on a thumbnail, don’t you lol. I’m after that chrono big time - need to see the blue one too. Love JLC, they don’t do everything right but I reckon they have strong bones and it will carry them through.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
JLC will be fine for sure. And as for the thumbnail - Yes. KZfaq demands a catchy thumbnail 😂😂
@btmontres1423
@btmontres1423 2 ай бұрын
Thumbs up for this take on one of my fav brands. Thanks for the perspective and cheers.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Cheers 😊😊
@mrgee007
@mrgee007 2 ай бұрын
Marketing, marketing, marketing, I mean, I cannot think the last time I've seen an advert on tv, magazine, sporting event showing off JLC. Us watch enthusiasts love the complexity of the reverso, the engineering, but for a lot of men they just don't work, I mean the ad you show in this vid doesn't look like it fits the model! Spot on Mike, as you said they need a proper sports line, we all know this is the most bought watch style for every brand, aslo is JLC too expensive for the normal person, but not expensive enough for the rich? great video, quality analysis as usual👏🏼👏🏼
@fj7509
@fj7509 2 ай бұрын
People think of marketing as a bad thing. It is actually an extremely important part of a brand. There is a reason when you ask an average Joe to name the best luxury watch brand, he’d say Rolex. Maybe watch nerds would say Patek or AP etc. But no one will say JLC. There is a reason Nike is a better brand than Adidas, even if the latter may make better shoes. JLC is doing a disservice to its designs by not branding and marketing it better. Rolex does such an amazing job at marketing that the brand is light years ahead of any other luxury watch brand including JLC. Even Omega has famous people who endorse their watches like Michael Phelps. I can’t think of a single well known person who wears a JLC
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Marketing. Say no more. 😂
@vincentschneuwly9783
@vincentschneuwly9783 2 ай бұрын
JLC is really a favorite of mine, I even bought a Reverso at the boutique last year for my 40th birthday 😅😂😊. Great work I really enjoyed the video, you should take the time to have the factory tour, it's awesome 😊 those people do love what they do. I agree they could do way better, so much potential.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thank you - was not aware it was possible. Will have to look into it next time I'm in the area .😊😊
@vincentschneuwly9783
@vincentschneuwly9783 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch you have to contact them first and make a reservation, of course you cannot just show up at the gates😉 plenty of informations and the contacts are available on the website, you won't regret it
@mackledee
@mackledee 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like a solid pitch for the CMO position. You have my vote. JLC should be more front of mind when thinking of top brands. Great content.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Like I said to another commenter - "heck no. I just want to talk. I don't actually want to do the work... " 😂😂 But thanks for sure 😃😃
@pedramfirooztash8452
@pedramfirooztash8452 2 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis as always. You need to be on the product development and marketing board of JLC
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
God no... They'd hate me there. I just want to talk. I don't actually want to do anything.... 😂😂
@tonyhopeful
@tonyhopeful 2 ай бұрын
​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 😂😂😂
@thereissomecoolstuff
@thereissomecoolstuff 2 ай бұрын
I agree with your thoughts on JLC. Energy was down a bit in this episode. Either a cold or fatigue. Either way very informative. Thx
@Lord_englishgent
@Lord_englishgent 2 ай бұрын
JLC is a brand very close to my heart, I'm wearing a Reverso Duo as we speak, but my first watch was a JLC Master Geographic, I had never heard of JLC and when going shopping 27 years ago for a Tag Heuer monaco, I saw the Master geo in the window I was gobsmaked by its beauty, when I was told it costs small amount more than the tag, I bought it on the spot, and then over my watch collecting journey I was amazed to find out about there history, some 500+ watches later i still own it and few others JLC's, but getting to your point about the upsell, I agree, I bought a moonphase that was cheaper than the Master geo, and felt no need to even look at precious metal versions. It would be good for them to do a more simple vintage inspired diver, in smaller size, the polaris is to big. and maybe a simpler movemnt, and advertise it like Longines are pushing they heritage line and Tudor before. or like you said, go more high end, at the moment and since I walked in that shop 27 years ago, they are incredible value for there history & quality
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Like how the whole "upgrade for gold" thing aligned with your own experience. As for a smaller diver - Totally agree. I'm not super strong on their historical models, so not sure what they could pull out of storage but it definitely would help them Cheers 😀
@danielk09
@danielk09 2 ай бұрын
This is a great video- a question I've been struggling with a lot myself since I love JLC. I purchased a JLC MC Date in blue and love that watch for its simplicity and versatility. But I was only interested in the blue version, which made me realize JLC does not offer many color variations in their models- they are almost all silver or black dials. People love color! JLC leans in hard to their art deco themed Reverso yet doesn't offer a salmon or emerald dial color on any of its models; these colors were very popular during the 30s and 40s. I'd also like to see them experiment more with textured dials- we saw this in their Polaris Mariner Date and I believe it's gotten noticed. I say this because their resale price isn't much lower than the retail listing with tells me its more popular than initially assumed. Most JLC watches are matte or sunburst dials. These are great but some variety would be greatly welcomed. Anyway, those are my initial thoughts.
@dasein43
@dasein43 2 ай бұрын
Another fantastic, substantive commentary and analysis. JLC is my favorite brand and I think you nailed the problems they have and face for improving their performance. My tastes are dress over sport, so I fit their main appeal but if they want to improve, they need a stronger sport/tool watch presence. They are an outstanding brand and watch with an extraordinary history. As a JLC fan and owner, I'd like to see their performance improve. Perhaps your ideas would help propel them forward. Perhaps you deserve a consultation fee. ;-)
@aDocandhisWatch
@aDocandhisWatch 2 ай бұрын
Excellent points as always!! I love the Reverso as it is but I wonder if JLC could do a more sporty version of the Reverso.. imagine one with 100M of water resistance, maybe even in rubber 😮, duo face / dual time.. difficult to pull off from a technical standpoint but it would do wonders for the brand. This wouldn’t replace the Reverso but it would be an additional offering to attract more customers looking for something sporty and different than a diver or traditional GMT for example. I would buy one immediately.. 😂 Just a thought 💭
@underachievingwatchcollect1878
@underachievingwatchcollect1878 2 ай бұрын
Check out the Reverso grand sport.
@aDocandhisWatch
@aDocandhisWatch 2 ай бұрын
@@underachievingwatchcollect1878yeah!.. an updated version of that one with exchangeable straps and better WR (that one has 50m) could really work IMO 🙌🏻
@mikemurphy8996
@mikemurphy8996 2 ай бұрын
What’s surprising about that list is how well Longines does. I’m from Toronto and don’t hear much about them. Maybe it’s bigger in Europe
@albertcheng1168
@albertcheng1168 2 ай бұрын
Chinese love Longines, it still has a lot of brand equity there and is more popular now at its lower price point because the CCP for awhile cracked down corruption and on overseas luxury spending
@affegorilla1299
@affegorilla1299 2 ай бұрын
If the MASTER CONTROL CHRONOGRAPH CALENDAR would have 10bar it would be a one watch collection peace for me and imo if jlc would be able to pull that off with 10bar they would be in a perfect category between dress and sport with a perfect watch! It would be a stand out peace for sure 👌🏼✌🏻
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
It also needs a nicer bracelet. I hate the H link style. But apart from that, I'm with you 😊
@notgoodyear7072
@notgoodyear7072 2 ай бұрын
I like your videos. Well done. 👍
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Appreciated . Thanks 😊😊
@JayPatel-jp1we
@JayPatel-jp1we 2 ай бұрын
Bought a Master Control Geographic, 2 months ago. Absolutely stunning watch, but only because the AD swapped the brown with a blue leather strap, also from JLC. What a difference that made to the aesthetics. Your 3rd solution is paramount: put these movements into aesthetically pleasing designs and then see how they take off. A case in point: Vacheron/ AP actually used the same JLC movement in their dual time back in circa ~2015. VC/AP came with steel casing and bracelet. When I put my watch and the others side by side, the VC/AP looked like a gmt tool watch - I would TAKE either over any base rolex or GMT all day. But the JLC looked like a classier complicated dress watch and it got me wondering, if had a steel bracelet would that make it a tool watch and be more pleasing. And that is the problem for me with JLC: what's your market and do you have the right look - I personally don't like the polaris: too big, and not the sportier look you get on a daytona, el Primero or speedmaster - that rugged manly look. The price for my watch is a mare, luckily I got new at 30% discount, but I paid because 1) I wanted a beautiful vintage looking dress watch 2) just the way you set the GMT and settings for daylight hour - I travel alot.. Different level.. Woww 3) it gave me enough info on the dial without too much clutter: the power reserve, a date, 2nd time clock! 4)finishing was excellent. Would I change a few things, yes simply to make people realise there other watchmakers that make even more better or similar watches at better price points than a VC, Rolex, AP, PATEK - yes your point 3 in the video.
@suds782
@suds782 2 ай бұрын
I love JLC . Just that they are now a truly luxury watch one I would purchase personally after all investments , expenses, cars , holidays etc . Which means one perhaps every 5 years and at today’s prices not 5 years later. If they increase prices then not even after 5 years or only at secondary Prices where they are selling for 40-50% off Your video is a hint to JLC what to do ( they need a hype watch )
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
They totally need a hype watch.... 😊😊
@gusmh
@gusmh 2 ай бұрын
I think JLC is the IYKYK high end watch brand. As someone told me a few weeks ago while wearing my Grande Reverso 976: this is what quiet luxury its all about! Why having what everyone's got on their wrists in a room full by mostly mainstream second market overpriced Rolexes. Btw I also have the Polaris no date black dial! Personally this is what I like about JLC: its artisanal craftsmanship and finesse. It's a feeling you don't get with other brands. Don't get overexcited by the hype. Greetings from Ecuador!!
@julioerodriguez6097
@julioerodriguez6097 2 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100 percent. I love JLC Reverso, Master Control and Polaris lineup but they need to move away from their current business model since is not working comparatively speaking to other luxury watch brands. Great Video and thank you!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks a ton 😊😊
@jasondalton6182
@jasondalton6182 2 ай бұрын
I put a Reverso into my collection late last year. I put a discontinued Master Chrono in a couple weeks ago. Having owned Tudor, Rolex, and Omega there is no doubt that JLC makes better products. But you are right. They don’t have that killer desirable model. I agree with your analysis and JLC should do it…. AFTER I get my Master moon steel or Master Calendar steel. 😂. great video.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. Let's hope you get that watch before they raise prices even more 😂😂
@ttothec
@ttothec 2 ай бұрын
Another master class. Thank you.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Very welcome 😊😊
@marcp321
@marcp321 2 ай бұрын
Hi Mike, I have been enjoying a lot your content! I love the business perspective and management consulting approach you bring to your analysis of the watch brands and larger watch industry. This approach is very insightful and really differentiates your videos from all others on the platform. Also, I appreciate your measured and structured delivery. I would like to suggest a topic which I have been thinking of recently: LVMH created a watch division and named Bernard Arnault's son to be its CEO. What do you think LVMH's watch strategy will be and how will it affect other watch brands and industry in general? I have both admiration (from the business point of view) and uneasiness (from the non-billionaire consumer point of view) on what LVMH achieved within fashion and luxury sector. Will it be able to create similar impact with watches?
@mmbrey4973
@mmbrey4973 2 ай бұрын
the master of watch brand analysis has spoken, just that simple!!!!
@davidelliott948
@davidelliott948 2 ай бұрын
Enjoyed hearing your perspective on JLC. I think you are onto something. In the luxury space, products need to be desirable and scarce. Does JLC want to play in this space?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
In practicality I think they are a bit limited in what they can do under the richemont umbrella, but given the choice I think they would like to go more high end 😃😃
@stevenmunizich9366
@stevenmunizich9366 2 ай бұрын
Very smart commentary. Thank you.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thank you too! 😀👍👍
@hirokusaikaru6624
@hirokusaikaru6624 2 ай бұрын
Hello from a fellow countryman. Your assessment is spot on, I have often thought about a Jaeger, but as you mentioned most of us tend to gravitate towards a more sporty watch. Even the Reverso unless we are talking about the Duo is not all that interesting. It is sort of the same way I think about at Grand Seiko, I just can't find anything that actually peaks my interest.
@michaelfierman3256
@michaelfierman3256 2 ай бұрын
As JLC is my "aspirational" brand...One that i do indeed picture selling my Rolex, Tudor and Omega to land on one of theirs as an exit watch...even though that phrase is a bit morbid in it's connotations, I honestly hope they do not raise the levels of their pricing where that might not be something I could attain. When you posed the question of the new Polaris chronographs vs the Daytona and Ed White...I'd take the Polaris easily over those. But another point, I do think they really need to expand the whole Polaris line if they are going to make sales headway. Fantastic episode, even though the implications of it worry me
@Yorkiepoocharlie
@Yorkiepoocharlie 2 ай бұрын
You are still a buyer of the same watch that overnight increases 40%? Many are not.
@oysterman962
@oysterman962 2 ай бұрын
No such thing as an Exit Watch. I bought a Submariner as my exit watch then bought 6 more Rolexes and a Reverso. You're constantly looking for an exit. That's called death.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Fair point on the polaris. Personal preference key, always. We like what we like. Thanks for the feedback also - and no. Hopefully they don't get more expensive (even though that is what I suggest they do) 😊😊
@lukerocheleau9173
@lukerocheleau9173 18 күн бұрын
JLC needs to hire this man.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
God no. Then I would actually have to work... 😊😊😂
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 2 ай бұрын
Mike, at 5:08 you mentioned that JLC movements are not "Chopard level". I never knew that Chopard, a jewelry brand that makes watches, is high level. Could you do a video on what makes a watch movement high level so I can understand why you mentioned that Chopard is in the upper tier of movements? Thanks for considering my request.
@michaeljordan6008
@michaeljordan6008 2 ай бұрын
Maybe the L.U.C. 1.96?
@FunMushizzle
@FunMushizzle 2 ай бұрын
Chopard make great movements, very high end stuff, but I agree JLC high end stuff destroys them... they grande complications are just insane in their level of detail and finish.
@oysterman962
@oysterman962 2 ай бұрын
JLC also competing with Piaget and Bulgari in the dress watch category.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
I have put it on my long list of ideas for videos. IT's definitely something I find interesting. As for Chopard. They are by some believed to have built the best automatic movement ever - the 1.96. There's all sorts of technical reasons for this and on top of that it also looks stunning. Google it, there's a lot of interesting reading out there when you have a spare moment. cheers 😀😀
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Thank you for sharing. I will definitely Google this movement .
@housekarl5786
@housekarl5786 2 ай бұрын
....how ironic..just looking at a Reverso/Geophysic...you have to go back 10 year plus to the Master Compressor funnies for any defining character, but they are still very niche...it's like Vacheron I feel, again there are more attractive offers out in the market...both brands may struggle further !!!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
They do feel a bit on the sidelines for sure... 😊😊
@jackominty3633
@jackominty3633 2 ай бұрын
You mentioned Czapek many times in this vid, which is weird - because it's a fringe brand that almost no one is aware of. Is it 'product placement'? Otherwise, you've made another informative video. Well done. My 2c. JLC production out-weighs demand, which in turn kills demand. Why would I buy a JLC new? I have a 976 Grand Reverso, I love it, but I bought it used - in immaculate condition - for a 4300 CHF, a 40% discount from the retail price of 7500 CHF. That was a good buy, because it will always be worth at least that (if I look after it). They should drop production to below demand - at least for the popular models. The demand will rise, and JLC can slowly creep up production - keeping it always behind demand. That's how it works at Rolex and A.P. and Patek. It's the oldest trick in the book.
@clausborg77
@clausborg77 2 ай бұрын
what happened to the Master Compressor Diving?? Such a beautiful watch! I guess you are right with too many classic models and no sport watches....
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Remember the old nazy seals model!! Yessir 😀😀
@GAJM314
@GAJM314 Ай бұрын
Great video. JLC seems to need a sexy iconic offering that is an evolution of the brand. What do you think about a square steel sports watch?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Ай бұрын
Cartier Santos... Love it as an example 😊
@olivierorban787
@olivierorban787 2 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis But for my point of view, I would not recommend JLC to use precious metal just after the entry level. Why? Because I’m a great fan of JLC for all reasons you mentioned. I collect them in the pre owned market because the price of new models and pre owned is so huge ! Ex: I bought a Polaris no date (2022) for 5250€, B+P Why break my happiness ?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Lol. Good point 😂😂
@theaj1nkya
@theaj1nkya 2 ай бұрын
Super Interesting! Towards the end, You pretty much did what they’d pay McK and BCG a couple 100Ks for :) Richemont has such amazing subsidiaries that improvement in one might even cannibalise the sales of others. JLC also needs to think about growth without hurting its sister firms: don’t chase VC and Lange. Grab a bite of external businesses or create a product no one serves.
@Ossory88
@Ossory88 2 ай бұрын
As a German, i congratulate you for your ability to pronounce Glashütte Original correctly 🎉😊
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks - My german teacher always said "You sound really german. What you say makes no sense grammatically, but it does sounds german" 😂😂
@Ossory88
@Ossory88 2 ай бұрын
​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch In your video about the Iwc performance chronograph you said a German sentence which was also well pronounced and gramatically correct. So your teacher was either wrong or you have improved your skills since school.
@bifeldman
@bifeldman 2 ай бұрын
I feel about a basic Reverso the same way I feel about a chocolate chip cookie. Something perfect I want all the time.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Love the imagery .😊😊
@thomaskirchner6213
@thomaskirchner6213 2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Tried the Polaris several times. Always liked it but always bought a different watch.
@koolpep
@koolpep 2 ай бұрын
Exact same thing with me. Always tried it, many times, liked it, but never loved it enough to buy. Now at 50% off retail, even then I am still hesitating to buy one. I love the brand, my wife owns two JLCs and loves them, but for some reason I am so hesitant for myself, and I do have watches in my collection from so many other brands, like Blancpain, Breguet, VC, Rolex, Omega, Breitling, Moser, Glashuette Original, etc. I really want a JLC but…..
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Bingo... 😊
@omar10213245
@omar10213245 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video, sir. JLC executives need to be sat down and forced to watch this video
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
I'm sure there are some JLC people having a laugh at my random speculations.... 😂😂
@DeeEx27
@DeeEx27 2 ай бұрын
Bang on analysis, as we've come to expect from you. What you propose for JLC in terms of positioning and shift in brand perception is by far the path that makes the most sense for them. They will not be able to start playing the numbers game and, as you say, they don't seem to be interested going down that route. Additionally, there are already too many players with pyramid structures in the high volume segment, with Rolex and Omega at the top, and brands like Tudor, Longines and Breitling pushing upwards. So, increasing average revenue per model seems like a very good strategy, but it also sounds like JLC need to come out with a few more appealing lines and models.
@zbenne05
@zbenne05 2 ай бұрын
Great video - would love to hear your thoughts on how Cartier stacks up, given the homogeneity of their various dress pieces. Do they suffer the same criticism?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
That's a longer take - The thing about Cartier (and I did a video touching on the subject) is - They are actually positioned as a jewellery brand and the corporate umbrella. That's an interesting distinction. They're also heavily female forward - pasha, tank quartz, santos, panthere. They do high end and piece unique but they're playing a very different game than JLC is my thinking. 😃😃
@66racer
@66racer 2 ай бұрын
I think the problem for JLC, through my own personal path to the brand is that KZfaq seems to ONLY talk about the reverso. I was at CES this year when I saw a Polaris in person and I was instantly mesmerized by the lacquered blue dial. It was on a steel bracelet and if I literally had the $12k in my pocket I would have walked out with it. I watch a lot of watch content on youtube and was just surprised to not have seen much about it. Perhaps because I started exploring watches Nov 2022, first Seiko in Jan 2023 and so on, I am 40yo and a solopreneur. I have been thinking about that watch since this January (2024). I tried reasoning that maybe the Longines Legend driver can quench my desire but after seeing one in person, no way. The Longines Spirit I planned as my 2024 watch purchase but man, just can't get that Polaris off my mind so I think I am just going to save for it. I was at a JLC store in California the other day to see if my memory was just playing tricks on me, still loved it as much as the first time I saw it. On the rubber strap it looked great too which may be what I go for. Even my wife who hates me spending on watches said she would understand if I got it, she loved the blue. I want to add that I am so happy that the crown for the internal diver bezel is not screwed down like the Longines legend diver. I actually use my diver bezel rather often to time events through the day so I was happy that the Polaris was not screwed down. It is one of those things, I wish it was not a $11k watch on rubber strap but if that is the cost for that dial, so be it. I have yet to see anything as beautiful under $12k (yes I have a list of other watches under $10k I will likely buy in time). I feel like I could reach in and dip my finger into the dial it has so much depth. I would pick it over any Rolex, but over time I have come to dislike the brand due to the overhype. I feel that the Rolex watches are "so common" in the luxury space there is nothing really exciting to me about them. I feel that Rolex should be priced closer to Tudor pricing honestly. They just don't do anything for me. Yet, someone here will think the opposite about my love for the JLC watch. Gotta love capitalism.
@srw6772
@srw6772 2 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis. I wonder if Richemont would be concerned about JLC cannibalizing Vacheron... Perhaps it might make more sense to focus on innovative materials and bold designs a la Richard Mille, AP, and even Hublot to some extent. This way they can leverage their unparalleled technical expertise to create a truly differentiated product. Something akin to the fantastic Master Compressor series they released several years ago.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. My thoughts are very much "in a vacuum". In the context of Richemont I would never see them allowing this cannibalisation to happen. Currently they are very much a "Vacheron light" in the richemont portfolio and I think it's a bit of a no-mans land. 😃
@MidEnginedFan
@MidEnginedFan 2 ай бұрын
Great analysis!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks a ton 😃
@vulpinish
@vulpinish 2 ай бұрын
I'm happy JLC is where it is, along with other quality brands. For enthusiasts, after seeing what has happened in the market, it's good for hidden gems to stay hidden.
@kofiofosu9051
@kofiofosu9051 2 ай бұрын
Another great analysis.
@Pulse767
@Pulse767 Ай бұрын
What does this mean for a consumer who was thinking of buying a reverso? No matter what people say I definitely like the watch, it fits my style, and I have no desire to have watches that everyone else has or wants, but I don't want to buy something that's potentially on a downward trajectory.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Ай бұрын
If you like the watch, you like the watch. End of story. Buy it if it seems fair .... to you 😃
@pizzagogo6151
@pizzagogo6151 2 ай бұрын
Interesting discussion thanks, I doubt I’ll ever be able to afford one, but for some reason JLC it’s the only Swiss brand I have a genuine desire for ( ....well ok I also like omega but find them a bit boring😅). As well as aesthetics, maybe the very fact it’s seen as “ underdog” appeals & as you describe the quality v value proposition seems great to me.
@masterdad-zf9po
@masterdad-zf9po 2 ай бұрын
I love my master control (full Calendar with moon). Just got it serviced at my local boutique, including polishing, and fell in love with it again - looks brand new and it’s an amazing watch. But I don’t wear it much, coz it is a dress watch, and I stopped wearing suits/jackets/dress shirts when the pandemic hit and I’m not going back. So I wear my other watches a lot more. The Polaris in gold with perpetual calendar is cool, but the price is too high. Was thinking of a reverso for my wife, but the lower end ones are quartz - nothing wrong with that, but with the price they’re charging its absurd, and she’s not a watch geek. So I’m looking on chrono 24 but who knows
@phildupuis1084
@phildupuis1084 2 ай бұрын
Insightful analysis. If JLC was wise they would consider your recommendations.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
THat or they just have something to laugh about at their next management offsite 😃😃
@Uncle2002
@Uncle2002 2 ай бұрын
Generally agree but I think your analysis supports the move to raise price. Also the new reverso Chrono is a great example of them playing to their strengths and offering in steel was a brilliant move - and very compelling at the price. They need to make the reverso the hero and build more exclusivity!
@DavidMiller-lk3ir
@DavidMiller-lk3ir 2 ай бұрын
Good video. I think they should keep models in steel. You save money with the same movement in it's gold counterpart. I own 3 of them. I have and love the Master Reverve De March in steel which is a great watch. Glashutte original is nice as well you mentioned and the Panoverse come in steel as well. A little thick in the movements. You talk about the Patek Calatrava which is much more money and only comes in precious metal. Steel is under the radar. Some might think it can be white gold or platinum. They made movements for many other companies including Patek.
@dska2294
@dska2294 2 ай бұрын
We as watch enthusiasts want to see brands like JLC breakout = more options, more competition, better watches. I love my AMVOX 2 where I activate the chronograph with the crystal. I also try to start Aston Martins when I walk by them… I am sorry about the large mark ups… probably designed me from looking. If u don’t look, you don’t want. If u don’t want, you don’t miss. Good luck my old friend, JLC!
@MS-tg6hc
@MS-tg6hc 2 ай бұрын
I really wish JLC would bring back the Master Compressor collection with some daring and forward looking designs with technical innovations. The Polaris line leaves me cold.
@MisterKnightly
@MisterKnightly 2 ай бұрын
I was preparing to buy an entry level quartz JLC Reverso a few years back. I had the 5ish K CAD in my account and was getting ready to go off to the boutique when I decided to look at photos of it online again... discovering that that same watch was now almost 9K CAD. At that point I realised that JLC wasn't a reasonable company, and wrote them off forever.
@user-mw8hw4vw6v
@user-mw8hw4vw6v 2 ай бұрын
We are losing ground in the overall watch rankings. Answer: let's increase prices over 100% in just five years. That should fix the problem. 😂
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Sorted 😂
@robertwilliams1286
@robertwilliams1286 2 ай бұрын
​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchlol nailed it 💪🏽
@airtiger360
@airtiger360 2 ай бұрын
It's hard to have this type of discussion without looking at Richemont's portfolio of brands as a whole entity. IMO, JLC is exactly where Richemont wants them to be, covering the niche market with products that they're good at doing. If anything, Panerai is under performing.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Probably true, but I don't necessarily see that Richemont would want to JLC to be below Vacheron. If they could be side by side without stealing customers from each other, I'm sure they'd be happy with that. Swatch - Different story, they've got clear tiering going on between their brands. But Richemont not as much 😀😀
@underachievingwatchcollect1878
@underachievingwatchcollect1878 2 ай бұрын
I should be offended being called Rolex riff raff……………but it’s probably true 😎! I’m currently looking for a JLC Reverso grand sport on a bracelet. I think they should bring back that variant-for us Rolex riff raff😎! Best regards
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Pesky poor homeless Rolex owners 😂😂😂
@DeRobez
@DeRobez 2 ай бұрын
Shhhh! JLCs are available below retail. We gotta keep it that way until I acquire the ones I want 😂
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
true 😂😂
@Flannman91
@Flannman91 Ай бұрын
I bought the sector dial and have loved it. Yes, it is a printed dial, but I don't care. It's so fun and versatile, and a bit of a strap monster. I realize that the sector dial watches were a limited edition, but I am surprised that JLC didn't make another model based on the sectors since they were so cool and wildly popular.
@CubanBBQ
@CubanBBQ 2 ай бұрын
This was a really good video.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks 😊
@atthelord
@atthelord 2 ай бұрын
I’ve owned a Master Ultra thin moon in the past and had to let it go unfortunately. Yes the movement was great, but I had many minor niggles with the watch. - The rotor by virtue of ceramic bearings was loud. - The movement had a bit of “play” so to speak. I didn’t enjoy the movement of the seconds hand when setting the time. Lange, Rolex, etc don’t have this issue. Panerai, JLC, Patek (for some models) do. - The watch itself, though mostly well finished had a sharp crown that dug into the top of my wrist. -The blue dial was great but for some reason I fell out of love with it after some time. - Last minor niggle was the 21mm lug width for a 39mm watch. Yes the 6119G also has a 21mm lug width which is also a bit annoying.
@traviswatts6661
@traviswatts6661 2 ай бұрын
As an owner of Rolex, Omega, and JLC, I absolutely love my Reverso. It’s an enthusiast brand that flies under the radar and doesn’t give you unwanted attention. Those who know, know, and that’s who I want to have a watch conversation with.
@revenanke3132
@revenanke3132 2 ай бұрын
Try comparing a JLC to a GO. Then do the same with PP/AP/VC to A. Lange. Swiss luxury brands are gliding along solely on their history and the new wave of German watch brands have completely surpassed them.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Agree to a large extent. The german brands do sometimes seem to push the envelope in terms of quality and value of many more swiss brands that come across as more complacent... 😊😊
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 2 ай бұрын
Fenomenal analysis. The only problem I see with JLC moving up towards VC level is cannibalisation within the group. I think that JLC has the technical prowess to focus primarily on making high complication watches (and, in my opinion, that is where they are really exceptional), because at the entry-level they will always be surpassed by Rolex, Cartier and Omega. But will Richemont let them scale the ladder?
@MS-tg6hc
@MS-tg6hc 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, I don’t think another Richemont brand would ever have a strategy to directly target another brand within the same grouping. Whilst JLC might nevertheless still adopt a strategy to move upmarket, I’m not sure how that would work out. Would a potential Patek or VC customer really opt to pay the same money for a JLC? To me, there seems to be a more obvious market position for JLC in making themselves the brand for customers who enjoy traditional watch-making and want something fairly classic and elegant but aren’t yet ready for the big boy league of Patek or VC pricing. You might say that’s already their strategy and it hasn’t been working well for JLC, but I think that goes to a need to revamp their model line-up. If people don’t want their watches now, I doubt simply massively hiking their prices will make them more attractive. Better to create enough demand first to then justify a price hike.
@hugopetricioli9789
@hugopetricioli9789 2 ай бұрын
For me, the best Watches out there, it is for the expert eye, they are great, I think the market doesnt understand, I have a perpetual and a reverso, sadly they dont hold value.
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 2 ай бұрын
I love and prefer dress watches, especially vintage watches that I can buy low and repair myself. I don't dive and don't pretend to. One of these days I hope to have a Reverso, but I still need too many watchmaking tools.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Bonus points for repairing them youself... That's not something you hear someone doing every day... 😀
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Yep, I love it! My back doesn't love it much. LOL
@user-cx8zc6rh8z
@user-cx8zc6rh8z 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mike, excellent analysis as always. A funny story: My first exposure to JLC was through my divorce attorney, many years ago. At that time my daily wear was a Submariner and my passion was-and is sailing. He wore a Master Ultrathin and to this day I associate JLC with a $400/hr suit that wouldn’t get his hands dirty and didn’t know the difference between a tack and a jibe!
@xchazz86
@xchazz86 2 ай бұрын
Anyone who wants a rectangular watch will also consider Cartier in the tank and Santos line, arguably much more practical daily wear propositions. JLCs true hero model should be the Polaris with more sporty bracelet and rugged design philosophy. They simply do not have a convincing entry do it all model to attract a massive following. JLC is simply positioned as if its still the 60s and haven’t caught up to the dynamics of the current market preferences for sport watch designs.
@f.kieranfinney457
@f.kieranfinney457 2 ай бұрын
The Reverso could compete with the Santos if the spec was changed. 100m resistance, rubber integrated strap design and more rugged overall case. Beveled grooves instead of rounded, etc.
@patrik3450
@patrik3450 2 ай бұрын
Agree so much. I with a big wrist won’t be able to wear and look good in a reverso. Also the Cartier tank looks better and a little cheaper. I really tried looking to buy a JLC. There just aren’t any good options. Polaris I feel is to overpriced. Especially 42 hour power reserve or whatever they have.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Agree on the lack of a really strong entry model. IT's just not there... 😀
@xchazz86
@xchazz86 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch yea i have no problem with JLC raising prices, but heritage in it self is not convincing enough at least not anymore. The competition is fierce and looks like JLC simply gave up on the entry level market. This seems to be a pretty big mistake as it will cost them credibility and market brand awareness in the long term, and their top end models are not as convincing as the competition. Seems like they have dug themselves a hole.
@Robert-vw3od
@Robert-vw3od 2 ай бұрын
If I see somebody wearing a jLC , I know they are going to know what they are talking about and ironically I would say the same thing about somebody wearing Christopher Ward. If I see somebody wearing a Rolex or wearing a Nautilus I know that they’ve just got the money and there is a very high chance They don’t know anything about watches it’s just something they’ve been told about and that they can afford in terms of materialism.
@Aziz_H_K
@Aziz_H_K 2 ай бұрын
Maybe you are right but its not a fact that rolex and Nautilus owners only have money and they don't love watches or just bought them because they are hype I own a Jaeger-LeCoultre reverso and a polaris and i own a 5 rolex and one nautilus 5726 in leather strap i didn't bought them because i just have money opposite of that many reasons why i bought them i loved that nautilus before even thy get hyped,,, but unfortunately i can understand what you mean
@BBGinCDM
@BBGinCDM 2 ай бұрын
100% I own Rolex, JLC, Zenith, Omega. Not about the $$, just love watches. Own 4 Rolexes, but JLC keeps the most insanely perfect time in my collection.
@loweewolwed9834
@loweewolwed9834 2 ай бұрын
My inner "oh look, he's wearing a Rolex" voice has shifted completely to "oh look he's wearing a GS"
@Robert-vw3od
@Robert-vw3od 2 ай бұрын
@@loweewolwed9834 🤣 if somebody is wearing a GS you know they know a bit about watches.
@loweewolwed9834
@loweewolwed9834 2 ай бұрын
@@Robert-vw3od Yup. I used to have a DJ 16220 and Sub 16610 as my daily but nowadays is a GS SBGR251.
@marcowalther7867
@marcowalther7867 2 ай бұрын
Jaegers are made wonderfully. But, the Reverso non-dual side makes no sense anymore. What's the use of flipping over the case to have a blank steel side? The Polaris tends to wear a little big and the not so useful inner bezel does not add to the bill.
@marcowalther7867
@marcowalther7867 2 ай бұрын
I was choosing between the Reverso and a Santos. I realised I would never turn that Reverso around, so Santos it was. Likely, I was so blown by the Reverso Chrono (unaffordable), that I initially thought I could get away with the base model. @@davem8836
@The_Red_Comet
@The_Red_Comet 2 ай бұрын
Fully agree. I tried on some of the new Reverso Tributes, the ones with the beautiful colors, but I'm so disappointed that they don't at least have a display back case. Show off that beautiful movement finishing! The unique square shape of the movement! Such a waste to just have blank steel. I only want a Reverso if the back side is utilized.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
THIS!!!! Whenever people say they are getting a reverso I always say - Get a DUOFACE. The regular single side makes little sense to me either (I am aware of the “polo protection” history). Who engraves their watch any more? Not many 😊😊😊
@57Jimflynn
@57Jimflynn 2 ай бұрын
This guys soothing voice does not match with the batman figure and top gun poster. I approve.
@briancook9165
@briancook9165 2 ай бұрын
Lots of good points, but it's crazy that you're right that most people would choose a Daytona over a Polaris Chronograph. No chance I'd trade my Polaris for a Daytona unless I could flip it, then use the money to buy a Polaris and pocket the change.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Brand and hype drive buying decisions for many. Good on you for sticking with what right for you 😊😊
@Newerasamearea
@Newerasamearea 2 ай бұрын
Its mad to think the reverso surrendered its sports watch branding when it was literally created for a sport. They should have called it the polo reverso and do sports (bracelet version, ) and dress versions. 100% right about online channel
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing 😊😊
@BenJamin-rt7ui
@BenJamin-rt7ui 2 ай бұрын
Master Ultra Thin Moon. My favorite watch.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Good choice 😊
@danielgraham8559
@danielgraham8559 2 ай бұрын
I feel like the answer is staring JLC in the face. Resurrect the 39-40mm Deep Sea Alarm with both vintage editions celebrating the original and more contemporary designs and even high concept versions like AP does with the Royal Oak. I believe a lot of people will enjoy the aspect of a personal alarm function as it engages the wearer to engage with the watches.
@koolpep
@koolpep 2 ай бұрын
They do have the Memovox in the Polaris and Master Control line. Don’t think they are big sellers….i love them though.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 ай бұрын
Good call - That model in the right sizing has potential in todays market 😊😊
@danielgraham8559
@danielgraham8559 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchthe DSA has the pedigree and imo the looks to make a compelling offering in the sports watch category. I think the made a mistake going with the Polaris.
@davidaraujo3476
@davidaraujo3476 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Keep it up.
@davidbcg286
@davidbcg286 2 ай бұрын
I find the Reverso very cool (especially the day / night version) but I can't get it to work on me. The Polaris lacks something interesting... I find your analysis spot on.
@docfluty
@docfluty 2 ай бұрын
I have the blue Polaris chrono and the Speedmaster Ed White you mentioned. I find myself wearing the JLC more often than the 321 but that's because I find myself afraid of wearing the 321 as a daily. If something goes wonky, they have to mail in back to Switzerland and it might take forever to get back. So with the water resistance, automatic movement and other factors... I do like the JLC more. But to be honest, I will probably sell it soon. I just think its a mm or two too big. I love the thinness, dial and everything about it... but it sits much bigger than my 42mm silver snoopy and other comparable sized watches.
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