Luxury watches: Worth it? AND how to find the good watches

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This Watch, That Watch

This Watch, That Watch

Күн бұрын

Luxury watches are expensive for most people and every brands tries to convince you to give them your money. But what do you need to be aware of when buying in this space? Are the watches any good? How much is marketing and how much is quality? And also... Is Hublot really that bad and Rolex even that good?
Hope you enjoy the video. If you do, please leave a like and a comment - Share your thoughts about your favorite watches and brands.
Cheers
Mike
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@TheSkatereel
@TheSkatereel 18 күн бұрын
I think there's a lot of hard truths people have a hard time dealing with. For example, for all the hate Rolex gets (and deserve) there is NOBODY even close that has the brand recognition that Rolex has. And I think for a lot of people that spend $7-15K on a watch care a lot more about having something with huge name pedigree than they like to admit. Its the same reason people wear the Lululemon and On Brand shoes around town. There's stuff out just as good for half the price but it doesn't signal to the world what you are wearing when they see that little Lulu brand circle or the On Shoes distinctive honeycomb sole of the shoe.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
The key point in my vid about Rolex was that because Rolex is so dominant, in the eyes of a "normal consumer", all other brands are judged against the standard that is rolex. Is it as reliable (as a rolex)? Is it as much a statement (as a rolex)? Is it as accurate (as a Rolex)? Whether Rolex is objectively better doesn't matter. People look at that Omega that they know little to nothing about and inadvertently compare it to.... Rolex. That's the power of marketing .😊
@mijnbuisje
@mijnbuisje 16 күн бұрын
​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchthat's also the reason why you will find more enthusiasts among people wearing non-Rolex Swiss/Japanese/German/micro watchbrands than among people wearing Rolex. They generally care less about status and they already know that Rolex is not the pinnacle of watchmaking.
@mijnbuisje
@mijnbuisje 16 күн бұрын
They (see previous comment) are wearing those watches primarily for themselves and not for others.
@WaterJake
@WaterJake 16 күн бұрын
​​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch I think this may be your best video yet! Really great thesis and thoughts about all of this. I do think there is an exception, and it's Cartier (and maybe a couple of very specific models from others, like Bulgari), which has a huge reputation outside of watches. Rolex doesn't have the same kind of cache with women as it does for men, and while the customer base is smaller, it is essentially up for grabs. Cartier is better positioned for that audience with its branding than most anyone else. It doesn't have to justify itself against Rolex the same way that Omega would.
@Pler1978
@Pler1978 16 күн бұрын
Pretty much 95 percent of rolex buyers care to varying levels
@anorax001
@anorax001 16 күн бұрын
After almost 20 years absence of wearing a watch I decided to return to watch ownership in 2023. Previously I had no clue about movements or any technical know-how of watches so I decided to properly learn about the fundamentals and differences between watches. After much research I decided to move away from battery operated watches and focus on mechanical movements. This lead me to discovering the great marriage of mechanical and quartz - no battery needed but great accuracy - and purchasing my first and only luxury watch from a brand I did not even know existed - a Grand Seiko Spring Drive. It is beautiful, it does not require a battery, it is super accurate, and no one in my circle of friends even knows what I am wearing which is perfectly fine for me as I wear the watch for my own enjoyment and no one elses.
@ArcUrSki
@ArcUrSki 18 күн бұрын
“shiny surfaces attract crows” Great line, I hope you a good chuckle on that.
@f.kieranfinney457
@f.kieranfinney457 18 күн бұрын
I get attention with my $200 metal cased Casio and zero from my GS or vintage timepieces. Shiny definitely attracts crows.
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 17 күн бұрын
And some cats too. I woke up in the middle of the night one time and my friend's cat was very gently trying to take my silver ring off of my finger. LOL! The little stinker...
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I was excessively proud of myself for that comment, yes... 😂😂😂
@verynormalman
@verynormalman 12 күн бұрын
Should have been magpies surely?
@thedriver08
@thedriver08 18 күн бұрын
You quickly became my favourite watch KZfaqr. Always competent, well informed, no nonsense, no hype. Just facts, observations and common sense (which is a rarity these days) garnished with a little bit of humor 👍
@wongfeihung9724
@wongfeihung9724 18 күн бұрын
I feel the same. Spot on comment.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
I try - thanks for the feedback 😊😊
@louislaw85
@louislaw85 18 күн бұрын
You are truly my favourite watch KZfaqr. Your views are always informed, non-sensational and logical! 👍👍
@MFlint-un2tq
@MFlint-un2tq 18 күн бұрын
I concur
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Very kind words, thank you 😊
@andrewtaylor9799
@andrewtaylor9799 18 күн бұрын
I bought a Grand Seiko. It's the only watch I own that cost over $600. Frankly, I would be embarrassed to wear a Rolex. I would consider an Omega or an Oris or a Monta or a Christopher Ward, but Grand Seiko was such a deal I went to it first. Especially right now with the yen at 158 per dollar. Grand Seiko is an incredible steal for Americans right now if you buy directly from Japan, even with the import tax.
@benjaminkeen7133
@benjaminkeen7133 18 күн бұрын
I'm there with you, education and preferences. Rolex has a strong brand and social identity and it is not for everyone.
@jaysdad420
@jaysdad420 18 күн бұрын
I bought a new GS SGBA461 direct from Japan as well. I was able to buy a used Tudor Glamour and a Hamilton Khaki with my savings on the GS.
@Falstaff-mr8fk
@Falstaff-mr8fk 17 күн бұрын
I’ve inherited 3watches from my father and uncles who passed. A Rolex Oyster and 2 Omega Seamasters. I hands down prefer the Omega to Rolex.
@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78
@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78 17 күн бұрын
I have GS, Oris, and Monta for those reasons.
@gfeast4518
@gfeast4518 17 күн бұрын
I would love to check out purchasing from Japan, where would you recommend looking? Thanks
@MyVideosWillCalmU
@MyVideosWillCalmU 18 күн бұрын
Been a collector for donkeys at this point, your channel is the only one i watch! Mike you just make SENSE! Love it...Great content!!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thanks a ton. Glad to hear I have your support 😊😊
@lonestar2047
@lonestar2047 18 күн бұрын
Quickly, and you sir are one of my go to’s of KZfaq. In the watch world I have had so many different KZfaqrs that I watched, but now you have risen to the top!!! Love your pure unadulterated truth, candor and no sugar coating the facts. Thank you sir. 😊
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Always happy to hear that someone enjoys my approach 😊😊
@matthewdadson7598
@matthewdadson7598 18 күн бұрын
Absolute first class video, presented by a true gentleman. Always enjoyable to watch. Thank you
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thank you too 😊
@chrishoyt7548
@chrishoyt7548 18 күн бұрын
Another smash hit. Your vids keep getting better and better, with each current one surpassing the last. Thank you, Chris
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Humble thanks from my side to a long time supporter 😊😊
@douglasladowski6342
@douglasladowski6342 18 күн бұрын
A wonderful, thoughtful approach to a murky topic. Really great channel.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Thank you 😊
@tondo6912
@tondo6912 18 күн бұрын
Another excellent video shining light on points not covered by other channels. Please keep coming up with out of box ideas for your videos
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I will try my best at least 😊😊
@TheWatchMetrics
@TheWatchMetrics 4 күн бұрын
I think this channel has some of the best watch industry analysis on KZfaq. Informed and well reasoned points throughout. Keep it up.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 19 сағат бұрын
Much appreciated! 😀
@Ullr-Zero-Kelvin
@Ullr-Zero-Kelvin 18 күн бұрын
You put a lot of thought into to this one Mike, you’ve had some great videos but this one is a masters class on the watch industry, well done!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it - It's always a little nervewracking to put videos out there and see if they resonate. 😊
@bluebatmedia6100
@bluebatmedia6100 18 күн бұрын
Mike, I really like your channel. You cut through the hype and give intelligent analysis.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I try, thanks 😊
@industryousphotography2058
@industryousphotography2058 18 күн бұрын
As always spot on. Your content is the best of the lot in watch videos. I always feel that I've learned something new.
@dscotp185
@dscotp185 18 күн бұрын
Excellent video, as usual. Very informative. Well done.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
@theWaltVegas
@theWaltVegas 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video, Mike!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
You are welcome 😊😊
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 18 күн бұрын
Another great video....very interesting perspective. Cheers from Mozambique.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Cheers 😊😊😊
@randomnoctis6361
@randomnoctis6361 4 күн бұрын
Damn. You just outdid 10+ years and 100+ KZfaqrs with this content. Great video!!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 2 күн бұрын
That's high praise - Thank you 😊😊😊
@derrenjesson8923
@derrenjesson8923 18 күн бұрын
Great content, thank you. So refreshing to hear interesting and intelligent views on the watch industry rather than another video on why you must own a BB58! Please keep them coming!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Only you can know whether you need a BB58 😂😂
@davinchia
@davinchia 17 күн бұрын
This is an amazing analysis of luxury watch branding. You are showing off all your knowledge. Well done!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Kind of you - thanks 😊
@balazskertesz5010
@balazskertesz5010 18 күн бұрын
I was actually that first time luxury watch buyer who didn't know all that much about watches, but wanted something really nice from a famous Swiss brand. I was put off by Rolex _very_ quickly, mainly by the shitty attitude of AD's, but also because they seemed way overpriced compared to other brands in the same quality bracket. Also, heretical as it sounds, I just find their designs kind of "meh" - nothing wrong with it, but not interesting either. Cartier also didn't do it for me, although I do like the Santos, it lacked some features that I really wanted, like an open caseback (with a nice movement to look at), and lume. Grand Seiko designs are just not for me, though I do recognise their high quality. I like Zenith quite a lot, also some Breitlings, but at the end, I found that the brand that really ticked all the boxes on my list for a "one luxury watch" was Omega. Haven't regretted the decision, I think they are pretty much the brand that tries to cater for the most tastes and desires. For some that may be a negative (not such a clear identity, too big catalog), but for me, who's not a collector, it's a big plus: they will give me what I want, not what I'm _supposed_ to want.
@Rm9sbG93ZXJz
@Rm9sbG93ZXJz 18 күн бұрын
I agree... I am never gonna get a ROLEX, that experience to even find one to look at was worst than the car scarcity of 2022! I got a longines and I am happy!
@ivaylokosev
@ivaylokosev 18 күн бұрын
I felt exactly the same way, ended up with aqua terra 38mm, blue dial. GS Skyflake was my huge dilema, but was feared will not look right on my 16.5cm wrist.
@austincragin7391
@austincragin7391 18 күн бұрын
Get a JLC. The watch markers watch, the God father of horology. Producing movements for AP, Patek, VC for years. The most complicated movements for the most well known watch models. The top dogs of watch brand names/horology. JLC is subtle, classy, robust, iconic, highly respectable. JLC is one of the brands to have in a collection imo, can’t wait to buy my first JLC one day.
@balazskertesz5010
@balazskertesz5010 17 күн бұрын
@@austincragin7391 JLC is great, but a wee bit expensive...
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I am not a Rolex hater. I am also not beholden to them either. I do find it sad that regular buyers so often default to them and don't give other excellent brands some consideration. Seamaster 300m over a Submariner any day of the week for me 😊
@Loganichols123
@Loganichols123 16 күн бұрын
Not the video I expected but the video I needed. Thank you!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
He he... thanks 😃😃
@anotheruser337
@anotheruser337 17 күн бұрын
Insightful and balanced. Great content
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
thank you 😊
@FuryanSurvivor
@FuryanSurvivor 18 күн бұрын
Hi Mike, Thank you for another fantastic video. The information you have provided is exceptional and appreciated.😄
@mybrainlikesthings
@mybrainlikesthings 18 күн бұрын
This is reference material, and easy to recommend to others. Thanks for making the video1
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for sticking around as always 😊
@TheLute70
@TheLute70 17 күн бұрын
Insightful as usual. Keep it up. I can't get enought of your videos.
@jchristopherd1
@jchristopherd1 18 күн бұрын
Someone needs to send this video to the Bremont team. It perfectly illustrates why their new line is such an error. Just as the brand formed its identity and found its audience through the story they told - it’s destroyed in a week.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 18 күн бұрын
Funny things is - I cut a whole segment from this video diving into Bremont, discussing those exact challenges. Their identity is “off” under the new ceo and for a relatively expensive watch brand they don’t convey luxury enough. Saw them at watches at wonders and was dissapponted with quite a few of the models Cheers 😀
@randmacct636
@randmacct636 17 күн бұрын
​@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch i hope this means an upcoming episode for bremont, to hopefully knock the ceo off his high horse (or at least some sense into him) so Mr Davide can right the ship before impending shipwreck, which absolutely nobody finds joy in
@BruceCross
@BruceCross 17 күн бұрын
@@randmacct636 I like the concept of giving them the opportunity to change course vs. bashing them.
@99jasonhooper
@99jasonhooper 16 күн бұрын
Interesting re Bremont - assume previous model not working (never made a profit) and new VC money wanted a return - Bremont needs a new wider audience and I think this will disrupt the existing market - brave move.
@lukeryan5428
@lukeryan5428 14 күн бұрын
The faux military connection is a big fail, giving your product to a bunch of pilots does not make it a brand of choice, I served 25 years in the RAF and can categorically state that pilots will grab anything for nothing.
@Sirkelsag666
@Sirkelsag666 18 күн бұрын
I love your channel. Very awesome analyzes. A friend of mine contacted the AD on the possibillity on getting a steel Explorer I in 36 mm. He could not, BUT if he wanted a two-tone or full gold watch they could help him. Pretty much like you said they would start to do, by expanding the precious metal line.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Bingo 😊
@99jasonhooper
@99jasonhooper 16 күн бұрын
As always Mike - fantastic video - detailed and informative but sensible and entertaining - good that you burst some of the hype around watches.
@user-bm2dk5re5r
@user-bm2dk5re5r 18 күн бұрын
I love your analogy of the sound a car door makes on a well build car. So true! You did not mention Lexus, but I drive one and listen for that "quality thunk" every time I close the door! :).... the concept does transfer to a watch feel and quality. We are a strange bunch for sure!!!! LOL
@corychecketts
@corychecketts 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for bringing up Lexus. I drive a 2001 LS 430 and can honestly say its the nicest car I've ever owned. Maybe it's the more high-quality mass produced car ever sold? Sadly, Lexus doesn't make cars like they used to. My GX460's overall build quality pales in comparison to my old LS.
@johanvandersandt8904
@johanvandersandt8904 18 күн бұрын
Interestingly my friends who have gone into the automotive engineering sector tell me that car manufacturers spent millions developing that satisfying thud or clunk when you open and close a car door all in an effort to sound more premium. I think that's exactly what watch companies do as well. Because we "eat with our eyes" the tinsel of quality and success matter. You are quite right my friend. Quality is highly subjective. Having never shopped at the higher level (I did buy a date just a few years ago but that's hardly high horology) I would not be able to say what is great value right now. Hope you have a great Freedom Day and an awesome weekend!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
The amount of time that has gone into the sound of a Merc door is ridiculous. It is one of the absolute key components to selling the car. 😊
@johanvandersandt8904
@johanvandersandt8904 16 күн бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch If only they spent more time on the rest of it they would not be ranked as low as they are in reliability survey's haha! Strange how the times have changed! Hope you have a great one Mike!
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for “opening up the casebacks” and sharing what collectors actually get from the $4-14,000 watches. Very illuminating…The other factor is after market resale value, even though watches are not investments, which reflects demand.
@woozertoo
@woozertoo 18 күн бұрын
I love your …”Days since last watch purchase” counter, Mike-reminds me of the “Days since last accident” health & safety signs that are commonplace in factories and warehouses in North America, in my experience at least 😅
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Glad you like it. Quite enjoying throwing in easter eggs here and there for me more devoted watchers 😊
@nizarmurar
@nizarmurar 18 күн бұрын
Dear sir You are the most knowledgeable in the scene. Many thanks for passing us your unbelievable knowledge. With great respect Nizar
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Very certain I'm not the most knowledgable in the watch space, but thanks nevertheless - very kind of you 😊
@ocean911
@ocean911 17 күн бұрын
Love all the thought you put in your videos. You reveal a lot of topics anyone considering buying a watch at this price point should know. I personally look at the build quality in relation to the bang for the buck. I loath marketing and if I like a watch I just do. I do not need a corporation to tell me what watch or any product TBH I should purchase.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
I try at least to add something new to the conversation. I don't profess to know the "truth" or be "objectively correct" but adding a perspective is what I want to achieve 😊😊
@Tuneitupful
@Tuneitupful 18 күн бұрын
Insightful video, thank you.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Glad it was worth your time 😊
@ukobs
@ukobs 18 күн бұрын
Very enjoyable analysis today! Great work 😎
@FMK178
@FMK178 7 күн бұрын
Your contents are so sharp, the contents of your chanel are so maximum at the point, that I really love it.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 4 күн бұрын
Wow, thank you! 😃😃
@leemartin2978
@leemartin2978 18 күн бұрын
Another excellent video, containing some very useful information. I might try and haggle a bit harder if I buy another Tudor. 😀 (typo on your guarantee/gaurantee slide)
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Let me know if you succeed with the haggling.... 😂😂
@erickobetitsch6055
@erickobetitsch6055 18 күн бұрын
Awesome analysis. The best I’ve heard.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thanks - Appreciated 😊
@matthewdee
@matthewdee 18 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your video. Thank you!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
@spuckz
@spuckz 17 күн бұрын
That's a spot on analysis and a pleasure to listen/watch.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thank you 😊
@WrongTimeWatch
@WrongTimeWatch 7 сағат бұрын
You are right about Grand Seiko and Rolex bracelets. I really like Grand Seikos, but the bracelets frustrate me. I had four of them, and now just have one. I wear my Rolex a lot more often as the bracelet is amazing.
@philipglass2943
@philipglass2943 18 күн бұрын
Very insightful video, thx!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
My pleasure! 😊
@jhors7777
@jhors7777 16 күн бұрын
Thank you for posting this helpful video
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
You're welcome 😃
@Robert-vw3od
@Robert-vw3od 17 күн бұрын
this is the best expert watch content i’ve seen. look forward to saturday.
@DrBob0910
@DrBob0910 18 күн бұрын
Excellent analysis!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
@juergenseyffert83
@juergenseyffert83 16 күн бұрын
Thank you, this is probavly the most informative video for watchbuyers at all. Keep on with this your addiction is hitting the audience.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks! 😃😃 Although... Addiction... Ok. True 😂😂
@corychecketts
@corychecketts 16 күн бұрын
Dang, this was an awesome breakdown of brand perception and quality. I've owned watches from Omega, Tudor, Rolex, Seiko and many others. And for me, the best watch I own that I wear the most is my Casio G-Shock GW-5000U. I've started to slowly sell off my expensive watches because I just don't care about perceived quality or brand perception--real or fake--anymore. I just need a tough watch, that always works and is insanely accurate. That being said, I always love videos like these that breakdown consumer psychology. Very well done.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
Thank you, and thanks for adding your two cents. 😃😃 Can't go wrong with a casio btw. 👍
@EricZ726
@EricZ726 18 күн бұрын
Another great one. Thank you. Question. I’m sure some brands know their bracelets are lacking. Why is it that they don’t improve? For example, the reason I’ve always been deterred from pulling a trigger on an Omega SM300 is the chunky non-tapering bracelet. I’m sure some like it. But this is a reoccurring complaint by many. So we can conclude that this is an issue. No one ever complaints about a submariner bracelet.
@cubex68
@cubex68 17 күн бұрын
IWC heard and updated their Mark Pilot watches with better movement and tapering bracelet. Some brands do listen while for some it’s not as easy to integrate change sue various production and supply chain concerns
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Thanks. Bracelets? It's priorities and cost. Launching new and redesigned things constantly is expensive and the brands demand certainty that it will lead to better sales. Add to that, you don't want to go all in from day one, in stead spreading out your improvements to keep interest up. Innovations come slowly as a result and very rarely all at once. 😊
@Pler1978
@Pler1978 16 күн бұрын
It's a non issue. Though it seems alot of watch ppl have less than masculine builds and an omega bracelet is too "heavy" and big. Most watch ppl it seems aren't remotely wealthy and join the crowd of comments without having ever tried on most of the watchd they complain about...
@cubex68
@cubex68 16 күн бұрын
@@Pler1978 Not true at all. I know a few watch enthusiasts including myself that tried or owned Seamaster but moved to IWC, JLC and Tudor for better ergonomics. I sold my Seamaster for a Polaris and love it.
@bashirahmed2639
@bashirahmed2639 18 күн бұрын
Very informative, thank you!
@wongfeihung9724
@wongfeihung9724 18 күн бұрын
You are the 'Rolex' of watch reviewers. Love your videos. Informative, educational and above all, objective.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Rolex of watch reviewers? So that means unavailable plus hated by half the community? I hope not 😂😂😂
@h111551
@h111551 18 күн бұрын
At a party, I noticed that 8 out of the 10 male guests had a Rolex on their wrists including me. That prompted me to explore alternatives to the usual suspects or at least the more rarified items in the catalogues of the usual suspects. This caused me to seek out independents like Habring2, Stefan Ketelaars, RGM and the new Danish brand Arcanaut. My Omega references currently include the Seamaster Bullhead Chronograph (which along with the Ploprof which I have also owned) is one of their eccentric references. Pre-2017 Parmigiani and Speake-Marin (with a Vaucher movement) references are in my watchbox. I seldom run into anyone who is wearing what I am 😂wearing and I like that.
@patrik3450
@patrik3450 18 күн бұрын
In Denmark everyone just hypes up Rolex like there is nothing else. I wouldn’t want a Rolex in this country looking at how many people get robbed of them. Referring to the Facebook groups. 😢 But seems like you got way more into watches and found what you really liked 😊 I am glad I found other brands too, and have completely forgotten about Rolex.
@mimikatz
@mimikatz 17 күн бұрын
Just sounds like you bought a Rolex for the wrong reasons. Would you do the same with a car? Are you annoyed your neighbours have houses too?
@omonteso
@omonteso 17 күн бұрын
Damn. You need new friends.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I had an interesting thought in my head the other day. Based on volumes - you are more likely to bump into a person wearing a Rolex than you are wearing a Tag Heur. Rolex sells 1.2 mill a year. Tag. Half that. If you want to be unique, different or appear exclusive - Rolex is counterintuitively actually not that exclusive, despite waiting lists at the ad... 😊😊
@woozertoo
@woozertoo 16 күн бұрын
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch moral of the story: Wear a Tag, to stand out. Me, I'm acquiring a 20-year old 2000 series automatic, which should put me in rarefied company, indeed 🙃
@user-cg7tw5yc9n
@user-cg7tw5yc9n 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for the vid, Mike! Just enjoying it on my afternoon
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Enjoy! 😊
@terencesaunders7010
@terencesaunders7010 18 күн бұрын
Great vid and good information
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thanks 😊
@Shawner556
@Shawner556 14 күн бұрын
Great video, sir! Just found your channel, happy to subscribe. All the best!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 9 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard! 😊
@alejandroe6624
@alejandroe6624 9 күн бұрын
Please keep doing what you're doing here. You're the most objective watch guy in KZfaq I've encountered
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 7 күн бұрын
Thanks - I'm trying to be at least 😊😊
@officially.certifiable-4plus6
@officially.certifiable-4plus6 18 күн бұрын
As about objective an analysis as one can deliver! Please don't change. I love to understand 'why things are the way the are' and you videos provide my great clarity about their subjects. I would also note that many watch channels appear almost desperate for followers, using crazy attention seeking methods/behaviours to increase their numbers. I like your matter-of-factness. Cheers!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Cheers - Will try to keep making worthwhile content. We'll see how it goes 😊
@threethrushes
@threethrushes 18 күн бұрын
If bling and shininess were the most important factors in luxury, Invicta would be the undisputable king.
@PocketWatchTime
@PocketWatchTime 18 күн бұрын
Loved your comments on Identity. I wonder how the new Christopher Ward XII will sell at an almost $5k USD price point. Does the brand have enough Brand Identity?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Good question. It will likely sell out to enthusiasts, but I doubt it's a mass volume model. Skeleton dials are very niche - and it's not the point of the watch. The point is to demonstrate that they are serious watchmakers. That's my thinking at least😊😊
@JRudd
@JRudd 16 күн бұрын
Excellent video. Branding has been heavy on my mind as I tinker with a startup and I’ve learned a lot from the watch industry.
@Eric_Nielsen
@Eric_Nielsen 18 күн бұрын
The 'heard of it' HP printer comparison is bang on. Coworkers ask about my Omega, Rolex, and sometimes Panerai. No others
@devilsfan5967
@devilsfan5967 15 күн бұрын
Another very interesting and thought provoking video…. Thanks Mike!
@ob3443
@ob3443 15 күн бұрын
Well done and very informative. Happy with the GS. But then again I appreciate the fine craftsmanship, delicacy and dedication of Japanese arts, precision machining, making things to last, design (paintings, ceramics, kitchenware, cooking, gardening)
@mvhdsk1122
@mvhdsk1122 18 күн бұрын
Speaking about the average buyer: Once upon a time I was workin in the car claims department of an insurance broker. One day I spoke to some lady on the phone, and whilst I had already learned at that point, that it can't be expected that people would be able to differentiate between the liablitiy and the casco insurance (which already sounds easy enough for me: liablity is for everyone elses damage, casco is your own) - this "remarkable" lady made me learn that you indeed can own and drive a car yet do not have any clue what the COMPULSORY liablity insurance does at all. So, she needs to take one out, she doesn't get her licence plate without one, but she didn't know what it does. THAT is indeed the level of insight the average Joe/Jane will have when walking into a watch store. Don't wanna step on anybody's toes here, but imho people can be incredibly ... well I don't know how to call it. Let's put it mildly: They think from 12 to midday and often show no interest of having a further glimpse into things. Sometimes, I am deeply worried about humanity as a whole. :D
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Bingo.... Brilliant analogy 😊😊
@daintiestquarters3411
@daintiestquarters3411 18 күн бұрын
Brilliant. Thanks! ❤
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Our pleasure! 😊
@welshskies
@welshskies 18 күн бұрын
I really enjoy these videos because they make me think back to my university days studying the economics of markets. When Mike explains the intricacies of the watch market I think his lectures (for that is what they effectively are) should be required listening for any economics undergraduate, just add in a few graphs and maybe some equations. In the basic economic theory of a "perfect market" there is a concept called "perfect information" which means every buyer and seller involved in the supply and demand of a "good" (watch) knows everything about that "good". A way to win in a market (successfully compete) is to either dominate or distort market information, Mike's talks make me think about stuff like this. Excellent. 😂😂😂 Mike's talks have made me think about my watch buying much more analytically. 👍🏻 Thanks Mike.
@AndrewP957
@AndrewP957 18 күн бұрын
I don’t often comment but this is very well thought-through content. Intellectually, I like Grand Seiko but can’t work up the enthusiasm to pull the trigger. I think Rolex is a bit of a safe choice and overplayed but would pick up a green dial Datejust at retail in the unlikely event the opportunity presented itself. Funny old world.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Thank you. Happy you found it worth watching 😊😊
@hongsitu3429
@hongsitu3429 18 күн бұрын
Buy what you like. Best advice ever. I had the Speedy and SM300, because they were iconic, did not pull at my heart string. My Zeniths on the other hand, "flaws" and all, I look forward to wearing them and puts a smile on my face every time. Just because marketing got me in the door, the watches are what will ultimately make me stay.
@mr.t8369
@mr.t8369 18 күн бұрын
I'm reminded of Jackson Pollock seeing you in that shirt. Very nice!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Lol. Thanks 😂😂
@greenerick
@greenerick 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing your valuable insights on the video. It is crucial to make decisions that align with your personal preferences and bring you satisfaction, rather than being influenced solely by the opinions of others. Particularly in the realm of watch collecting, it is essential to choose timepieces that resonate with your taste and style.
@kd-dm4lh
@kd-dm4lh 18 күн бұрын
HEY MAN I LIKE YOUR VIDEOS
@omar10213245
@omar10213245 17 күн бұрын
Stop yelling
@JW-ug5vq
@JW-ug5vq 18 күн бұрын
Thanks! I enjoy your comments as always. 😀
@tozzifan
@tozzifan 18 күн бұрын
I would like to hear your opinion on more micro brands someday, if possible. For example, Wise, Farer, Maen, Kuoe... Keep up the great work 👍
@void1984
@void1984 18 күн бұрын
I think shiny is cheap, I like it as an addition, to show nice edges and lines, but not as the main finishing. The same, I avoid shiny ceramic bezel inserts.
@Rm9sbG93ZXJz
@Rm9sbG93ZXJz 18 күн бұрын
lol... birds like shinny things, but birds are stupid!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Like I said. Shiny things attract crows 😂
@peterkornelius4145
@peterkornelius4145 18 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot for your very interesting thoughts. I agree completly. Years ago I started with Casio and Citizen. Over Tissot, Maurice Lacroix, Junghans, Glycine etc. I came to TAG Heuer, Breitling and Rolex. Conclusion: ALL the watches work precisely since years and have a really good quality. The only difference is, that with a Breitling or Rolex you can show the the world what a "successful" guy you are. Now, I have started to sell the expensive ones and I will go back to my Casios and Tissots and use the watches for what they are really made: to tell me the time....
@devileanblack
@devileanblack 18 күн бұрын
Amazing well articulated insight as always, mate. You are my favorite watch content creator.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Wonderful to hear it 😊
@jameslw27
@jameslw27 18 күн бұрын
Hi Mike, I'm a big fan of your videos and refer to them often. As it happens, Ive been running a personal little project/hobby targeted at understanding and illustrating "value" in the watch world. I've got some charts that I'd be very interested in getting your take on. Is there any way I can get these to you?
@nicholaschavez6245
@nicholaschavez6245 18 күн бұрын
Great video!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the visit 😊
@cyf2676
@cyf2676 6 күн бұрын
Great video, Great analysis, interesting and knowledgeable point of view. Thanks you. You did at multiple time talked about men hours works, but mostly as an illustration of your point of analysis. I will be very interested to have a full video on that subject. In one of your previous video you mention a report that was indication men hour works average per brand would it be possible to have the reference of it as a reply. Thanks again for the unique point of view you.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 4 күн бұрын
Here: watchesbysjx.com/2022/11/watchmaking-market-map-2022.html or Google "Man hours to build a watch". Then click on the watchesbysjx link.
@hugohernandez3651
@hugohernandez3651 18 күн бұрын
A year ago, I bought a GS SBGJ239. Beautiful watch. However, I never fell in love with it. I sold it a couple of weeks ago and got a Rolex Air King..I lost a lot of $ on the GS. I absolutely love my AK...forget about what people say...buy and enjoy what you really like.
@robertolira9843
@robertolira9843 16 күн бұрын
What a great video thank you.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! 😃
@DavidTran23
@DavidTran23 18 күн бұрын
very analytical in your thoughts. i wonder if there are some objective metrics to measure quality and based upon those metrics would love to see your ranking of these brands (especially Grand Seiko vs Rolex)
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
I have a "ranking type" video on the way. Need to work out a few kinks, but should be out in a couple of weeks 😊😊
@Musashiryu
@Musashiryu 18 күн бұрын
The question of 'worth' is one I struggle with all the time - what does a more expensive watch mean? Is this purchase a luxury I can enjoy or am I simply buying into a hype machine for the physical equivalent of NFT's? Adding in servicing costs for mechanical watches and it's one hell of a money sink. The other aspect you mentioned - the 'identity' of the brand and how it changes how customers view it / themselves - I'm not one for that kind of marketing. This is why I don't think I'll ever buy a watch worth more than $1,000. Yet as an enthuasiast I can easily see a future where I own a box of watches worth the equivalent of a submariner. Would I be happier seeing the name Rolex or Grand Seiko on my wrist? Should I take that risk to see what's on the others side? Maybe I'm just not rich enough to play that game! Love the videos and the questions / viewpoints they bring to light. Keep up the good work!
@grale78
@grale78 8 күн бұрын
In my experience, only watch brand that was recognized and commented among non-watch people (35+ years) is Casio Vintage series and G Shock. At one party I wore Casio 53W. That watch put smile on the face of people who were there with the SUB, golden President and AP RO. Great channel BTW.
@I3orjoyzee
@I3orjoyzee 18 күн бұрын
“Hi Mike and guys, I just bought new Rolex Explorer from AD. I was too excited and didn’t check the watch properly. I have two questions: 1. When you are setting the time, the second hand isn’t completely steady; it jiggles back and forth a bit, if I wanna set minute hand perfectly. Is this normal? 2. The bracelet is a bit stiff. The links close to the case are a little bit stiff, it seems like there is some friction and it gives off squeaky sounds. Should I return this to my AD? Thak you very much for your answers.
@jkspepper05
@jkspepper05 18 күн бұрын
You can, but this isn’t unusual. Perfectly on point with this video, Rolex has mastered “perceived quality”. Not that Rolex are not good quality, they are. It’s that many believe they are flawless.. they are not.
@josephlahmstein1788
@josephlahmstein1788 16 күн бұрын
Finally subscribed!
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
Finally! Thank you 😃😃
@solverxd
@solverxd 18 күн бұрын
For a moment I thought you were about to blame Hublot's brand image on Nico 🤣
@kd4029
@kd4029 18 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
Nico certainly has his opinion of Hublot 😂😂
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 18 күн бұрын
My top 3 are Rolex, Omega and Grand Seiko (not very original)
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
originality is overrated, when you're just looking for a good watch 😊😊😊
@bcnovi1012
@bcnovi1012 6 күн бұрын
I’ll be honest, as someone in this upper mid space looking to buy their “I made it “ watch, I do have to admit that it is very difficult to discount the icon factor. This will be my third largest purchase of my life and yes, it would be nice for people to know what I’m wearing.
@bjwal6
@bjwal6 18 күн бұрын
Good discussion. Spot on.
@dominicfarrello3860
@dominicfarrello3860 18 күн бұрын
great job Mike im on a different page on aluminum and ceramic bezel i think the aluminum looks higher quality i own both and ceramic looks to shiny and cheap like plastic.
@russellsmith1375
@russellsmith1375 17 күн бұрын
Great video, thankyou. The current Rolex disdain is amusing given the scale of demand, familiarity breeds contempt perhaps?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
The most popular kings are often also the most hated 😊
@thewayyouwearyourhat4888
@thewayyouwearyourhat4888 18 күн бұрын
Glashutte Original is the crazy one for me. You covered JLC in another video very well. GO just seems to be a brand where the quality far far exceeds the marketing hype it gets. Swatch group just seems to let the brand down.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 16 күн бұрын
I am a very big fan of GO.... 😊😊
@omginever
@omginever 18 күн бұрын
re: Grand Seiko @ 6:25 - GS's main problem is bulky and out-of-touch designs, and not necessarily identity. Many enthusiasts swear by GS but end up buying Rolex, because GS watches are too dressy, too thick & too big. I want an OP36-like GADA design by GS, but what options do I have?
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
I stayed out of the commentary of the aesthetic of GS models, sticking in stead to just the signifiers of "luxury". Having said that I don't completely disagree with you. Their sporty options are often on the bulky side both in terms of objective size but also in the way they present themselves 😊
@mcy1122
@mcy1122 Күн бұрын
I love this channel. Discovered it only a few days ago. This fellow is so damn precise and methodical. Thought out analysis that leads to insights. Thanks for this great content!
@affegorilla1299
@affegorilla1299 18 күн бұрын
Your take on the new CW skeleton watch value for money? Thank you
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 14 күн бұрын
Value is always a difficult concept to cover. The twelve is a great watch already. Skeleton dials are not for everyone, but this one is really well executed. Personally I see it more as a niche offering for CW to prove that they can do "higher end" stuff. I think they succeed 😊😊
@gravity_dog
@gravity_dog 17 күн бұрын
I found picking up and holding a Titanium Grand Seiko, knowing its specs, history, and price tag, and actually considering buying one from afar for a long time, I couldn't help but think it felt cheap as it was so light vs holding an Omega or Rolex.
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch 12 күн бұрын
That's the thing... Weight = "good" 😃
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