They called us crazy, but we knew what this would lead to…

Nathan hey man, i think you just don't understand our modern business practices. after all, if i have trouble with a big word in "dracula" or "on the origin of species", i just pay 10 bucks to have every instance of that word whited out of the book! it's really very simple and quite clever.

Shadow of War's lootboxes aren't even a problem. People are just mad about microtransactions all around.

codafett Do you still think that now, after the developers admitted that the micro-transaction system undercut a huge part of their game?

They probably only did that because they didn't want to get shat on like EA. If you actually played SOW the micro transactions are completely irrelevant, just quick ways to get high level follwers.

dunno if you guys gives a damn but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can stream all the latest movies on Instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my brother for the last couple of days =)

i told a friend of mine who played both destiny games to completion about this and his response was "of course they do that, the fuckers. i wouldn't put it past them."

I mean, after you hit max level the only thing you get for hitting the next level is gettting cosmetics

crazygamer4260 here's the problem with the "it's only cosmetics" argument. the problem is that human nature has greed and jealousy as a part of it. everyone gets greedy, everyone gets jealous, it's a fact of life, and it's something we strive to manage and direct in constructive ways. which is why we consider someone triggering those darker aspects of your nature to be a bad thing, because they're causing you to do things you don't want to do by using psychological traps. gambling addicts hate gambling, but they keep going back for more because it's triggered those darker desires in them. so activision doing things like: forcing you to decrypt bright engrams at the store where you buy bright engrams, throttling your XP gain to increase your frustration at not getting the thing the game has trained you to want to encourage you to spend money to fix the problem, patenting psychological traps designed to inspire jealousy and greed in players, exploiting those with weak wills (children, the handicapped), those with addictive personalities and those with emotional control issues, well i would say it doesn't matter if they're selling solid gold or bottle caps, their actions are evil, scummy and deserve hate, wouldn't you agree? or do you think it doesn't matter if i hold you hostage and force you to buy my products through emotional and psychological abuse, because all i'm selling you is different colored hats?

Yal Rathol I think your crazy and taking this whole thing too fucking seriously, really your gonna bring disabled people into this argument over a fucking color for your armor you dont need?

crazygamer4260 ....are you implying that disabled people don't deserve to be protected from exploitation of their human desires? you know, the fact that you're complaining over the fact that i used one word you don't like in an entire post demonstrates that you aren't actually able to argue my point and are attempting to deflect. why are you so defensive? you know activision filed a patent for a technique to actively manipulate players into buying shit they don't need, right? that's a scummy practice and illegal when the door-to-door people do it, why is it different for activision to do it?

Pee Wee Didi I unironically approve this shilling.

Pee Wee Didi Not to mention, you STILL don't have to pay a CENT to get platinum! You can farm for sets of complete items and make actual cash to buy cosmetics with weapon farming for lazier players. Or weapons from syndicates others don't have. Warframe was free for me til I supported them at rank 10. After all, levels are skill. Mastery, after all.

G Lestrade Because all those guys who made Halo great left after each game and finally Destiny 1.

Blame ACTIVISION.

Which quip robot are we talking about here? Nolan/Dinklebot or Nathan Fillion-bot?

Anyone else remember the what was it, like an eight year promise that Destiny (I) would grow and expand?

Never mind, TEN years!

QuantumCoretex no, the exact promise was destiny would last 10 years. not the game, the destiny IP. which is fucking retarded, because not a single video game IP has come anywhere NEAR the end of their copyright. so what? so mario's gotten 40 years of use and can be used for more than 30 more. sonic's been chugging along for a solid 30 years, kirby's reaching about there too and zelda's mario's twin. TF2 is still an active game. hell, the undertale fandom is still puttering away with their fan comics and art work, just waiting on toby to make something new. so hey, instead of saying "we're gonna force this IP to last a decade then give it the axe", how about we just make good, fun games that entertain people for a few hours, yeah? because that's how you get longevity, and if you disagree, "super mario brothers" would like a word.

Yup after what was the shitshow with the 1st game (which I got for $5 and that money didn't even go to Bungie/Activision so win for me) only playing vanilla, I realized what a crappy shallow game it was, and left promptly shortly before the 1st DLC came out. I refused to buy this game which all my friends did, one of them game shared with me because he wanted me along for the ride so badly I accepted because I was honestly curious if they acknowledged the feedback but refused to spend my own money, I was now obligated to play. We did the raid, most of them were able to admit and agree with me that the raid was crap and now they have all stopped playing it. I just laugh at them for not heeding my warning as well as them not learning from past mistakes.

I wish I hadn't.

I think it's because the loot boxes in this case are for accessory-type things vs gameplay enhancements, which the majority of players will care more about

it's actually not good game. it's a skinner box with pretty set dressing and good shooting (and bungie doesn't get points for good shooting, for the same reason nintendo doesn't get points for innovation and activision-blizzard doesn't get points for crack-dealing).

Twice every two weeks, huh? If only there was a way to simplify that

Simone The Digger play time, I guess? I do work... and have a life.

DM Red activition

it also happened in the first game, just in different, more subtle ways. they're becoming brazen.

Totally. I legit rage quit Destiny once I became completely aware that the game existed solely to trick people into wasting their time and money for "fun". It was somewhere around the 9th or 10th time I fought that Cabal boss in a raid. My whole fireteam had been taking shots at his head from behind cover for like half an hour. None of us were even talking to one another. I remember thinking "I could be doing ANYTHING else, and it'd feel like a better use of my time than this." And then I felt this sudden and pervasive sense of emptiness. It didn't feel like I was actually farming anything anymore, at least not as I traditionally understood the act of farming in a video game. Why was I even farming? So I could get a gun that would let me farm FASTER? THAT was the moment I was done.

@@Murdoc2568 That's such a tragic feeling in gaming. That moment when you go, what im doing in the game is pointless and its making me feel empty inside. Games aren't supposed to do that (short of a specific dramatic storyline style that is meant to contract that feeling from the user) and the fact users like you had to deal with that on a game I completely missed out of no desire to play it myself makes me feel a deep level of empathy for you as a gaming comrade.

​@@Gungho73 Thank you!

which doesn't change the fact that this is scum and clearly a test-bed for something like battlefront 2, where you can literally buy power and upgrades from a box.

They Don't Reply Back Maybe... Is there a particular section you are interested in?

True, it's hard to care about this. The truth is people won't make it as a big deal as it is now if it isn't tied with bright engrams and you know what? people love free stuff but hate to work "unfairly" for that.

AdmiralBetas agree with you there

not everybody is you and me. i don't have a problem with lootbox scams because i've never found a psychological trap that works on me. advertisements roll off me, guilt tripping makes me angry that you're trying to guilt me, jealousy is a fleeting feeling for me, etc. but some people cannot control themselves. some people, like pat, like jim sterling, have addictive personalities. they cannot stop themselves. a want becomes a need. people like you or me, people that the scams just roll off of, we're the minority. we're the freaks, the oddballs, the weirdos. pat is much more like the average person than you or me, a person who gets tricked because their are parts of their mind they cannot control. a part that's being preyed on by that skinner-box trap we call "destiny".

Yal Rathol Not everybody can watch rick and morthy and understand everything the first time.

Sketcher Mcgregor i know it sounds a lot like that, but not falling for scams has its drawbacks. i don't think i've ever had fun being hyped about something, because those tricks also don't work on me. the best i usually get is feeling encouraged that something might be good. not as much fun, but you get tricked less? i dunno if that's worth it, your call.

Ben Hramiak Aren't you attached to the big enigmatic ball in the sky and the cryptic big bad thing duh durkness?