Commodore 64 Breadbin Saved from the Flood

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I'm trying to restore a Commodore 64 that was stored in a flooded basement. // Kindly sponsored by my favorite PCB manufacturer PCBWay! www.pcbway.com/
Previous "Saved from the Flood" Videos:
C64C Saved from the Flood: • C64C saved from the Flood
Amiga 1200 Saved from the Flood (Part 1): • Amiga 1200 Saved from ...
Amiga 1200 Saved from the Flood (Part 2): • Amiga 1200 Saved from ...
Amiga 500 Saved from the Flood (Part 1): • Amiga 500 Saved from t...
Amiga 500 Saved from the Flood (Part 2): • Amiga 500 Saved from t...
Commodore 64 Future Proofing Video:
• C64C Future Proofing &...
The game shown in the end of the video is "The Bear Essentials" by Graham Axten/Pond Software:
pondsoft.uk/bear.html
Capacitor Values for this C64 (ASSY 250407):
1x 2200uF 16V axial
1x 1000uF 25V axial
1x 470uF 25V axial
1x 100uF 16V radial
14x 10uF 25V radial
RF-Modulator:
1x 470uF 10V
2x 100uF 10V
1x 10uF 16V
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
1:58 A Look inside
5:46 Sponsor Message
6:15 Disassembly
11:21 Soaking Plastic Parts
12:03 Washing the PCBs
16:32 Scrubbing Plastic Parts
17:30 Cleaning Small Parts
24:45 Repairing the Main Board
34:06 Future Proofing
37:57 Reassembly
46:03 Final Results
48:11 Thank you & Good Night
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@michaelsasse8427 11 ай бұрын

It is so awesome than Jan treats each machine like it's his personal use machine. A lot of other youtubers would have just hosed it off and thrown it aside once they found the fault in a "repair marathon". Even though Jan probably has dozens of breadbins, the next owner will treasure this machine because of the care he put into it.

@krnlg 11 ай бұрын

@@Throckmorton.ScribblemongerProbably unlikely that had any bad effect on it. Better than rushing a restoration due to lack of time or inclination.

@haxxy40 11 ай бұрын

So much pure alcohol vapor in the air from all that spraying.. I bet you were feeling quite happy after all that work 😁

@binxyde 11 ай бұрын

You should call your landlord to renew the silicone joints in your shower, because there is mold in it. Its not only unhealthy, it also can damage the building. Molded joints lose their sealing function... To get rid of the mold only, u can use for example "Mellerud Schimmelentferner mit aktiv Chlor" (Mold killer with chloride)! 😉 But nice video! Love your effort!

@SobieRobie 11 ай бұрын

We had SECAM in Poland. In the time when we were in the process of switching to PAL the press titled it as: "ImPALement". So funny that I remember it after 25 years or so.

@douro20 11 ай бұрын

Nearly all OIRT countries, with the exception of Finland and China, used SECAM, with a special band plan designed in an attempt to prevent Western broadcasts from being received. Finland was a special case, as they were simultaneously members of OIRT and EBU before the two were merged.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Haha, that is hilarious. :D

@SobieRobie 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for explanation.@@douro20

@kaitlyn__L 9 ай бұрын

@@douro20 you know, I'd often wondered why the USSR went with SECAM when it was slightly more costly to implement in circuitry. Hadn't considered deliberate incompatibility with neighbouring broadcasts would be part of it, but it makes total sense.

@PCBWay 11 ай бұрын

Massive thanks for your support, Jan ♥

@twocvbloke 11 ай бұрын

It's funny how the TV sees the weird signal and just goes "Hmm, must be French!"... :P

@meh3247 11 ай бұрын

"THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS"

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! It's always great fun to resurrect these machines (although it can be a bit tedious at times)! :D

@meh3247 11 ай бұрын

@@JanBeta I always found that the tedious moments can be quite meditative... Not always though, sometimes things can be a bugger!

@tommyovesen 11 ай бұрын

Great work Jan! Always nice to see a C64 being restored!

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Super happy with the result. :)

@jenshoffmannolsen 11 ай бұрын

Arghh..! What a spoiler.

@tommyovesen 11 ай бұрын

Sorry. Don't read comments before watching :)@@jenshoffmannolsen

@erikreimann5556 11 ай бұрын

Hello Jan, thanks for the effort to shoot the video! Back then I had a "Magic Formula" module and I liked the machine language monitor and its features to speed up disk operations - well worth checking out

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I am definitely going to look into the Magic Formel some more. Seems to have a lot of functionality. :)

@philkennedy342 9 ай бұрын

Nice work I’ve had several c64s loved owning them sold them and to this day I regret doing that.. thanks for sharing 👍👍👍

@TSteffi 10 ай бұрын

Those EPROMs are less sensitive than most people believe. I once left some outside on the window board for a whole summer and they still were not blank. Corrupted, sure, but even months of direct sunlight didn't fully erase them. So I would say an EPROM that is enclosed in a plastic shell should be totally safe.

@mk500 11 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this video. Especially since I’ve been doing similar cleaning myself and like to see your techniques. It feels so good giving new life to these machines.

@Miidolf 11 ай бұрын

Fascinating work. Many thanks Jan :)

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Glad you like it! :)

@PaulinesPastimes 11 ай бұрын

Lovely job, great to see it all fresh and improved. 😊

@BottIsNotABot 10 ай бұрын

Top work as always Jan! Another C64 given a new lease of life.

@andrewwolf4430 11 ай бұрын

Had a c64 with a tape drive. Modem and printer in college in the mid 80’s. Used it to access the schools mainframe for my Fortran class. Much easier to do it from my room late at night. And that allowed me to avoid programming via punchcards.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Nice! I love the fact that the C64 had so many uses back in the day, even for more "professional" use cases. :)

@rickedwards6150 11 ай бұрын

I wish I’d had a C64 back then. My roommate and I had to rent a terminal. We probably could have bought a C64 for what we spent that year. Did you have other people working on programming assignments in your room until the wee hours? We really should have charged for it.

@aleskranjc6709 11 ай бұрын

At 27:34, the "broken" VIC II might have pin 21 placed out of socket. But I doubt it was misplaced twice. Difficult to see.

@SobieRobie 11 ай бұрын

And this is pin 21 right? Color clock...

@DumahBrazorf 11 ай бұрын

@29:44 is more clear

@senilyDeluxe 11 ай бұрын

I would hook it to a CRT monitor, run some demos and see if the color is the only thing that's wrong. As I always say, a flaky chip is better than none.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I'm going to check that, thanks for pointing that out. It may very well be that it had a bent or crusty pin!

@patriziopolcri995 11 ай бұрын

Great job Jan!

@Ladefuss 11 ай бұрын

These videos are so enjoyable. Especially the ones where you really struggle to locate the solutions. Vielen dank Jan

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoy watching these (I certainly enjoy making them)!

@horusfalcon 11 ай бұрын

So good to see another of your videos. I know it's going to be a good one when you put on the "murder gloves"...

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Only that my "murder gloves" are used to resurrect things (most of the times). ;)

@albertoernestini6279 11 ай бұрын

Great work Jan!

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

@more.power. 11 ай бұрын

Thank You Jan excellent video. Cheers

@clz1978 11 ай бұрын

es gab mehere SECAM Standards - in Frankreich z.B. eine andere Variante als in Ost-Europa (z.B. Polen). Ich kann mich erinnern, dass wir in den 80er Jahren einen Fernseher nach Frankreich mitnehmen wollten, welcher PAL/SECAM unterstützte, dort dann aber nur ein S/W Bild anzeigte. Nach Nachfrage bei einem Fernsehtechniker (damals gabs kein Google ;) ) erklärte er uns den Unterschied zwischen SECAM-OST und dem in Frankreich genutzten SECAM

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Ah, du hast recht, daran habe ich nicht gedacht! Ich erinnere mich vage daran, dass wir früher terrestrisch DDR-Fernsehen empfangen konnten (bin in der Nähe von Lübeck aufgewachsen, also relativ nahe an der Grenze), allerdings wurde das nur in schwarz-weiß angezeigt. Das war dann ziemlich sicher im SECAM-Ost Standard. Danke für die Erinnerung! :)

@TRONMAGNUM2099 11 ай бұрын

Excellent work as always.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

@user-fu8pf8ww5u 11 ай бұрын

True class act at work, taking such care and perfection. It is Amazing what a man like you can do. If I was on a rocket to the moon, you are on my long list, my very long list of people at mission control watching my back!

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I feel honored although I guess (and hope) they would probably use more modern technology at Mission Control these days... :D

@lactobacillusprime 11 ай бұрын

Great job!

@BillAnt 11 ай бұрын

OMG I have the same exact model hot air station and Weller soldering iron on my work desk. Hate the air's digital temp dial (except for the analog air flow dial), and love the analog temp Weller. heh

@YogSothoth1969 11 ай бұрын

Great work, klasse gemacht :-) And I was very amazed seeing Swiss Army Knifes on your bench!!! :-) Best wishes, Michael...

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, Swiss army knives are invaluable tools for me. :)

@YogSothoth1969 11 ай бұрын

😃

@lactobacillusprime 11 ай бұрын

Quite liked Simon’s basic back in the day.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yes! It was awesome. I remember playing around with it a lot as a kid, making my own sprites and drawing graphics and such. :)

@zednott 11 ай бұрын

you should invest in a small cheap ultrasonic cleaner, like the ones used for rings. think you can pick them up for around 30 - 50 $ would save a lot of time on the springs and such. i mean if your going to be working on things like this a lot.

@giuseppelavecchia775 11 ай бұрын

Jan ho sempre detto che sei in gamba,computer perfetto!

@loudscotsbloke 11 ай бұрын

Great video as always mate! Surprised you opted to stick with the 7805 and 12 and didnt go for a DC to DC switching alternative.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Ah, I tried the switching regulators some times and they do work fine (except for the 12V regulators causing some weird behavior from the SID in certain configurations). I wanted to keep this one original though.

@snowysnowdon5584 11 ай бұрын

Love your streams Jan keep it up 😂

@jeeshkev 11 ай бұрын

Jan, awesome video and well done with the flood saved computers. Where did you get that awesome shirt from?

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! I think I got the shirt from an eBay seller but it was ages ago so I'm not 100% sure.

@gaborszabo6406 11 ай бұрын

Yes, another c64! Im happy!

@NoobtasticASB 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for the donation! Glad you liked the video! :)

@xerxes4863 11 ай бұрын

Hi Jan 😊. Thanks for your great stuff. I have a question; do you know where in the EU I can find the type of "crow bar" you're using for lifting the smaller chips?

@dozern 11 ай бұрын

Yes! It's called a "Chip Lifter", and is available from mouser (which is in Sweden atleast). His other chip-extractor is also available from the same site. (called "EX-2") I have bought both since seeing them on Jan's channel, and they are worth the price.

@xerxes4863 11 ай бұрын

@@dozern Thank you 🙂. Seems much better than the homemade one I'm using today.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

The one I use (only just got it for my birthday very recently) is a Wiha brand kind of "deluxe“ version of that chip lifter. You can definitely get away with less expensive ones! Works way better than using a screwdriver though. :D

@xerxes4863 11 ай бұрын

@@JanBeta Haha! Thank you, Jan. I'll have a look at Mouser and perhaps add something to my wishlist 😅.

@januszkszczotek8587 11 ай бұрын

28:00 Secam was used in France and East Germany.

@dennisp.2147 11 ай бұрын

The broken VIC looked like you had a pin out of the socket...

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yes, that might actually be. I am going to check that again!

@KrautRockt 11 ай бұрын

hey jan..! super folge mit meinen liebling rechner..! eine frage: sollte man kondis und co. tauschen wenn sie extremen schlamm ab bekommen haben? gerade im bezug auslaufen/lebensdauer?? .. ich hatte einmal ein simos basic modul in einem gammelhaus gefunden. das lag im regen-wasser. ich habs gereinigt und es funktioniert heute noch. die teile sind echt robus, vach 10 jahrent..! alles gute, danke für die clips und ich wünsch dir und allen einen restliche schönen sommer, und wenig regen .-)

@Lynxxde 11 ай бұрын

I also had a Magic Formel back then, afaik it had also a fastloader, funktionkeys in basic for dir/fileloading, hex monitor, and some more goodies ..

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Nice! I'm definitely going to look into that cartridge some more. Possibly there's even going to be a video eventually. :)

@terryraymond7984 11 ай бұрын

Yay the 64 lives still

@josehereter4062 11 ай бұрын

minute 34:37 looking at the link in the video, exelent!!!!

@dirkkuckelberg7380 11 ай бұрын

Hallo Jan. Ich hab da so eine Frage im Kopf... Wäre es nicht sicherer Boards mit noch vorhandenen Komponenten nicht direkt unter den laufenden Wasserhahn zu halten? Die Wasserleitungen sind ja, wie Wasser ja auch, leitfähig. Sicherlich sollte/darf das eigentlich nicht sein das Wasserhähne bzw. das Wasser was aus dem Hahn kommt irgendwie Strom führt, aber was wenn doch? Lieben Gruß aus Köln. 👍✌

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Wenn die Wasserleitungen anständig verlegt sind, sind die geerdet, also besteht keine akute Gefahr für die Boards. Ist natürlich trotzdem immer ein bisschen ein Risiko. Ideal wäre ein Ultraschallreiniger, der für Platinen ausgelegt ist. Leider sind die in solchen Größen immer noch recht teuer.

@gertsy2000 11 ай бұрын

Nice.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Super happy with how it turned out. Definitely worth the effort in my opinion! :)

@Mr_Meowingtons 11 ай бұрын

Thats how i lost my Apple II GS a commadore 128 and 5 IBM PC's from the early to late 80's

@jameslewis2635 11 ай бұрын

Considering how many of these 'thousand screw keyboards' Jan has to dismantle, I am surprised that some tool kit maker doesn't send him an electric screwdriver for 'review'.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I don't really like using power tools in these restorations. The parts are usually super brittle and I like to have some fine control over the tension etc. For those keyboard screws, an electric screwdriver would probably be just fine though. ;)

@acousvnt 11 ай бұрын

There's something unsettling about that Bert head.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

It's the remainder of an old hand puppet I had since I was a kid. It's now watching over me when I repair stuff. :D

@knuffte6446 11 ай бұрын

HAHA Kontakte mit einem Radiergummi von Gut & Günstig sauber machen - da sagt die Marke schon wie es geht! 🙂

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Geht auch gut mit anderen Fabrikaten. ;)

@ricardog2165 11 ай бұрын

Wait - did you give the VIC II from your machine to fix someone else's? Did you have them in stock? 🤔

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

The C64 is mine to keep actually. I'm slowly running out of replacement VIC-IIs, I'm going to have to look for more spares sometime soon.

@StRoRo 11 ай бұрын

Yes. C64 repairs. I've not seen a new one anywhere cos people think we are tired of them. I am not one of those people.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as being tired of C64 repairs for me! :D

@samuraidriver4x4 11 ай бұрын

I really need to get myself a C64c like i had in the past. They are just so hard to get for a decent price.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately the retro computing hobby got more expensive in recent years. Hope you manage to find a reasonably priced one soon! Maybe try joining one of the retro forums and ask around a bit, most of the time there's some friendly people around who won't ask current eBay moon prices.

@samuraidriver4x4 11 ай бұрын

@@JanBetabreadbin's are plentiful for around 100 to 150 euros working but the 64C is a bit harder to find. Some people have the courage to ask 500+ euros for one. Just takes some time and have a bit of luck.

@domramsey 11 ай бұрын

@@JanBeta The last one I bought of eBay UK was £25. They are not at all expensive here.

@Zanaz728 11 ай бұрын

I'm interested to get one too👍

@gregwesson8815 11 ай бұрын

Having used a donor VIC, it'll need a replacement VIC or Kawari, yes?

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yes, my test C64 is going to need a new VIC of some description. I’m going to leave the working one in the rescued Commodore for now because it is the nicer one by far. :)

@DoubleTopHoneyCo 11 ай бұрын

Is this the same one from a year ago or a different one? Oh, a barn find, or basement find.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I didn't touch this one before I made the video. It was in the flooded basement that I restored several systems from previously but I kind of forgot about it until now and it was just sitting here in a box for around two years.

@rager1969 11 ай бұрын

Please make a vide on that Magic Formel cartridge and maybe that BASIC cart, too.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I am definitely going to read up on the Magic Formel cart. Seems to be interesting! If I manage to find enough interesting stuff to make a video, I'm going to do it. :)

@e_i_s_f_u_c_h_s 11 ай бұрын

@JanBeta I still have my Magic Formel (gray case with a freezer button on it) that I got way back then. It was my go-to cartridge for every day assembly programming, freezing, hacking. Super stoked to see one of them in a retro video finally! I had the impression that nobody ever heard of this cartridge type except for me! :-D It has some super neat features like assembler coding in the basic editor, a really good fast loader that does not need any extra cables, machine monitor and basic extension. It also gives you a 1351 mouse interface (F7 on the reset screen) but I did not find that as useful as the rest of the module. Keep up the great work, Jan!

@grantfryer1 11 ай бұрын

For rusty metal parts use evaporust. I swear by the stuff, it's reusable and non toxic.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Ah, yes, I've seen Adam Savage use that stuff. I don't know if it's available here in Germany but I'm going to look around a bit! Thanks!

@douro20 11 ай бұрын

How about, since you live in Germany, Ballistol for the keyboard springs?

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yes, that would work fine, too!

@JVHShack 11 ай бұрын

I'm unsure if it's just on my end, but I can hear sound out of only one side throughout the entire video.

@dennisp.2147 11 ай бұрын

I can hear both sides.

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

It's okay on my end, probably a problem with your playback device. Or maybe KZfaq acts up in funny ways again (which it does occasionally).

@ventrue6516 11 ай бұрын

I got some idea for your next video. You can show some "Eastern" computers from 1980's (Czechoslovakian) :)

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

I wish I could get my hands on one of those!

@rosariodagosto6484 11 ай бұрын

Hi JAN BETO LONG TIME SINCE IVE SEEN C 63

@steveoerkel735 11 ай бұрын

Kann es sein, das du aus Deutschland bist? Und Englisch für ein breiteres Publikum gewählt hast? 😅 Wobei Schweiz und Österreich auch im Bereich des Möglichen liegen... Nice work btw...

@casualcomputing 11 ай бұрын

Is it only I who spots the leg bent out of place on the VIC chip @ 27:34?

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Chances are that I missed that. Several people have pointed that out in the comments. Maybe the VIC-II is fine after all!

@Jkauppa 11 ай бұрын

so why the keyboards and stuff are not fully film based, enclosed, water proof

@Jkauppa 11 ай бұрын

heating would be dealt with pass-through interface on aluminium metal chassis, even the aluminium being the passive heat sink

@Jkauppa 11 ай бұрын

pcbway is expensive

@Jkauppa 11 ай бұрын

touch pressure screen for everything, ie, three states, not touching, touching and pressed

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Probably a matter of production cost. These home computer systems were all built to be as inexpensive to produce as possible back in the day. It's quite amazing that the Commodore machines have halfway proper keyboards at all I guess (compared to some other manufacturers like the Sinclair rubber & membrane keyboards etc).

@Jkauppa 11 ай бұрын

funny is that such production is much easier to do, cheaper, so they went the more expensive and worse, for some money reasons, someone sold them the worse solution, against true reason@@JanBeta

@KrautRockt 11 ай бұрын

eine frage an alle fans: ich hatte für den 64er...ca. 1991 ein modul mit basic erweiterung, was graphik und besonderes (!!) sounds erleichterte in basic zu programmieren. leider muß das ein seltenes modul gewesen sei, habs bis heute nicht mehr gesehenn...war grau als farbe...und war ca. 50 mark teuer (?!) ..hat jemand n tipp?..lg und alles gute euch..und ne super zeit!! euer krautrockt!er🙂

@elektroolli5984 6 ай бұрын

was für ein spiel war das am schluss?

@JanBeta 6 ай бұрын

Das ist "The Bear Essentials" von Pond Software. Sehr empfehlenswertes Spiel von vor ein paar Jahren. Mehr Infos hier: pondsoft.uk/bear.html

@2009numan 11 ай бұрын

I couldn't see any reason that it shouldn't work as it wasn't connected to power when it got wet

@8BitNaptime 11 ай бұрын

Dude, imagine all the crud and crap and dissolved minerals in the floodwater.

@2009numan 11 ай бұрын

@@8BitNaptime no what I meant is once it was cleaned not just to power it on as it was

@danielyazbek9910 11 ай бұрын

You need a ultrasonic cleaner! Make your life easer

@JanBeta 11 ай бұрын

Yes, I've been looking into that for a while now. I think I'm eventually going to get one (although the larger sized ones I would need are quite expensive unfortunately).

@danielyazbek9910 11 ай бұрын

@@JanBeta thanks for answer, unfortunately its expensive, but you deserve! Your passion to revive those machines, someone sponsor jan beta with a ultrasonic!!!!!!!!