Installing Five Rarely Used Vintage Operating Systems Rapidfire (ft. Cray mainframes)
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An operating system is an essential piece of software that every computer uses to control its base functions. Most of us are familiar with Windows, macOS, and/or Linux, but there are some so obscure that most watching will see them first hand. For example, did you know Microsoft released a copy of Windows for Legacy PCs? Or that Apple simply slapped the Platinum look and feel on NeXTstep, and callled it Mac OS X Server 1.0?
In this video, we're going to install five operating systems that are so obscure, you've probably never heard of them before. They are, in order:
* Dell UNIX - gunkies.org/wiki/Dell_UNIX)
* Windows for Legacy PCs - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...
* Mac OS X Server 1.0 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_...
* Sprite - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_...)
* Windows 11 for ARM
* COS
Music used in order from KZfaq Creator Library:
* Jeremy Blake - Heaven and Hell
* Huma-Huma - From Russia With Love
* Patrick Patrikios - The Awakening
* DivKid - Icelandic Arpeggios
* Kevin MacLeod - Five Armies
* Jimena Contreras - Hopeless
* Huma-Huma - Hydra
@sonic2000gr 3 ай бұрын
I am really (unpleasantly) surprised that a machine as iconic and important as the Cray has been lost in time. At least some brave soul managed to recover parts of it.
@zh84 3 ай бұрын
Sad, and extraordinary. The Cray X-MP was famously used to create the graphics for "The Last Starfighter". All the ray-tracing code and the models that it was fed must once have existed, and no doubt now is gone forever.
@sundhaug92 3 ай бұрын
@@zh84 Hopefully it's still one some tape somewhere in a closet
@zh84 3 ай бұрын
@@sundhaug92 "The Last Starfighter" computer graphics were made by a company called Digital Productions, who also worked on "2010" and "Labyrinth". They were bought out in 1986 by a company which went bankrupt in 1987, so heaven knows what became of their intellectual property after that. I can discover only that they did it all in FORTRAN, which given the state of the art at the time is not surprising.
@ReallyBadJuJu 3 ай бұрын
I've been a Cray nerd since I read Jurassic Park as a kid. I own a small piece of a board an IC from the Cray 1 originally installed at Lawrence Livermore. They've always been fascinating machines to me.
@thej3799 3 ай бұрын
@@ReallyBadJuJuI have a cray 1 piece in a mini museum. Pretty cool 😎
@The_Boctor 3 ай бұрын
I hope that whoever stuck "D E L L" in that X root menu got a raise.
@artofnoise5013 3 ай бұрын
Was I the only one surprised and humored to see MSN Messenger included in the XP install? They stripped it down to the bare essentials but still included MSN Messenger. Oh, Microsoft!
@LonelySpaceDetective 3 ай бұрын
Being able to PM your buddies was _really_ important for businesses that were still running NT4/98, okay??????????????
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 3 ай бұрын
It was a part of the system components probably they forgot to took it out
@MegaDevice3000 2 ай бұрын
That was an optional component that could be turned off during initial installation
@pikaporeon 3 ай бұрын
My grandfather worked for Control Data for like 35years love seeing CDC and Cray stuff
@michaelpelley2815 3 ай бұрын
Floppy and tape installs - yep, back when I didn't have gray hair. I managed to read a whole BUNCH of novels during installs (and collected overtime) 🙂
@Bruhmoment69 3 ай бұрын
I'm a little jealous
@Kwpolska 3 ай бұрын
Windows FLP is not actually the final release of the Windows XP codebase, that would be Windows XP Embedded POSReady 2009. That release actually got patches longer than plain XP did, so many people applied a registry hack to convince Windows Update they’re on that version.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
I thought POSReady was a service pack to the existing XP Embedded vs. an actual new cut.
@Kwpolska 3 ай бұрын
@@NCommander The original XP embedded was a DIY build-your-own-Windows thing, POSReady was a normal installable OS and its installer experience was similar to FLP’s.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
That might be worth a look in and of itself, I wasn't aware of that.
@cameramaker 25 күн бұрын
I still have and use XP in a VM (qemu/kvm) with word/excel 2003. It had that POSready registry patch, to pull updates a bit longer. This is my "SunPCi" equivalent for office and accounting work, I never got along with more modern office releases with the ribbon UI, nor I could migrate to other office tools - the best I have is google sheets, but for DOC files I need a total control over the creation process (not that it has no bugs, but I know all the quirks by now - no surprises and pulling my hair). The rendering is decent, using MacType on it. The Firefox is a bit struggling with modern sites though.
@killingtimeitself 2 ай бұрын
the simple fact that COS is terribly unfriendly to the user, and not existing in any modern capacity is quite poetic
@AlexandruVoda 3 ай бұрын
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PC was awesome. A decade ago I set up a Pentium 3 with it for text editing with AbiWord for my grandma. The system worked like a champ for years. Very light and very stable. I think it still works but it's been sitting in the attic for a long time.
@lvl90dru1d 3 ай бұрын
but can it work on 66 Mhz 486 system?
@AlexandruVoda 3 ай бұрын
@@lvl90dru1d IDK, probably not. Official minimum requirement are Pentium 233 MHz and 64 MB of RAM. But maybe it can be persuaded to go lower than that. Edit: apparently people got XP on a 486 so in that case it should be possible to do so with Win FLP.
@lvl90dru1d 3 ай бұрын
@@AlexandruVoda thanks
@gregorykhvatsky7668 2 ай бұрын
I've been daily driving FLP for a pretty long time, as I had the EEE PC 701 as my main laptop. It was actually pretty popular among people who used these laptops, at least in Russia. I moved to better laptops and proper Windows / Linux not too long after though lol.
@TravellingTARDIS 3 ай бұрын
Not too sure if you know this but Apple did release beta versions of Mac OS X Server under the name Rhapsody that not only supported PowerPC but also x86 computers too. iirc it's one of the only times Apple made an operating system for typical desktop computers and pre dates Apple's transition to Intel processors by around 5 years.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
That's essentially just a continuation of NeXTstep for x86, but yeah, it was.
@legiran9564 3 ай бұрын
About the Cray software. So this is what extinction feels like.
@amigalemming 2 ай бұрын
Still it enjoys copyright protection until 70 years after the last Cray engineer passes away.
@leetaeryeo5269 3 ай бұрын
The Cray segment reminds me of the MVS Turnkey System emulator that emulates an IBM System/370 machine. I’ve only messed around a little bit, but the sheer difference in how you interact with the mainframe system vs modern computers is wild
@killingtimeitself 2 ай бұрын
the entire philosophy of OS design originated from the idea of "batch computing" most likely because it was annoying, time consuming and took up a lot of system time. There's a good bit of material out there and OS's are quite complicated these days, it's quite the technological innovation really.
@kallistene40 3 ай бұрын
Hey, hey ! ncommander is back !! yay ! And with more pain and suffering than ever, obviously ! :)
@warthunder1969 3 ай бұрын
I love watching his streams
@AlejodelosReyes 3 ай бұрын
Its amazing how many pieces of software were out there. Being able to see all of this from the screen of a cell phone is amazing in many ways by itself. Great job!!
@tcpnetworks 3 ай бұрын
We were dealing with Crays for a few years at the department I worked at. They were a shit of a thing to work with. The VMS machines were a peach comparitively.
@truckerallikatuk 3 ай бұрын
At my college, my class built a very basic MUD in the Harris minicomputer JCL. Plusses and minuses. Plus: That game got popular and got its own user ID via the sysops. Negative: This was because it was the last year for the Harris, which was scrapped the next year.
@mndodd 3 ай бұрын
Awesome that you tried SPRITE. I remember running it on Sun and DEC hardware back in the mid 90s.
@SD-xu3mz 3 ай бұрын
"An effort to remove unnecessary bloat" *MSN messenger is running*
@salan3 3 ай бұрын
So good to see you back.
@JackBender 3 ай бұрын
+1 for UNICOS in a future video!
@nanothrill7171 3 ай бұрын
this makes me wonder what's on the CDC disk pack i have in the garage
@creeperlv6668 3 ай бұрын
For Windows 11 on Arm64 part. I actually have 2 ARM devices that natively runs Windows 11. I used UUP Dump to create Windows 11 ISO. One device is a notebook from Xiaomi, that device actually uses UEFI and Windows 11 preinstalled. The other is an 855 phone that uses WoA Project that their Mu implementation to replace stock Android. To be honest, currently, only EAC protected and Vulkan games aren't working. Even Warcraft 2 is playable!
@georgH 3 ай бұрын
COS was the epitome of user friendliness :)
@DOSdaze 3 ай бұрын
I was just looking at your channel last night and hoping you were doing well. Made my day to see another video come up! 😃
@jhj22 3 ай бұрын
17:40 I just realised, that in Max Payne 1, when you have to disable Nicole Horne's office security system, you have to destroy Cray super-computers.
@swordofkings128 3 ай бұрын
Love all your vids! Happy to see a new one, thanks for posting!
@readmorebooksidiots 3 ай бұрын
I wonder if the guy who did that Cray recovery contacted the Chippewa Falls Museum Of Industry that collected a bunch of Cray stuff to see if they have any tapes
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
Do you have more information on this? I haven't heard that before.
@readmorebooksidiots 3 ай бұрын
I guess my reply got filtered because it has a link in it, it's a small volunteer run museum in Seymour Cray's hometown that collected a bunch of his notes and hardware examples
@readmorebooksidiots 3 ай бұрын
I have no idea if it's a glitch or if my replies are being removed, I'm really sorry
@andycristea 3 ай бұрын
Out of space on the last disk... damn! Welcome back! Edit: I used to daily WinFLP on main PC (dual p3 @ 1ghz). The only thing missing that I needed was tape drive support.
@emiliocespedes3685 3 ай бұрын
New video! Thank you very much! Hope you're doing well, glad to see you back 💞
@DenebTM 3 ай бұрын
nice to see a new video from you! always a treat
@durrcodurr 3 ай бұрын
Whenever you have a tape in hand that was created on a UNIX machine, you can safely assume it has been created with TAR, the Tape ARchiver. So, the only thing you need to do in theory is to read it with a TAR program on any platform (provided of course, you have a tape drive that can read the tape and you have drivers for that tape drive on some host OS). I used TAR even on OS/2 for making backups. Tape drives were also common on MS-DOS.
@jorgendnilsson 3 ай бұрын
The Dell disks... they could all be treated as block devices, and if they are you could just smack the images together into one large image and run tar/cpio on that.
@CaptTerrific 3 ай бұрын
14:45 dude where were you just 3 weeks ago when I had this same exact issue with my supermicro board? that was HOURS of research :D
@SidneyCritic 3 ай бұрын
32 + 43 floppies, ouch. Isn't there something like a Floppy Emu that you can copy the disks too first.
@georgH 3 ай бұрын
Unexpected and yet AMAZING video from NCommander! I'm speechless, thank you, thank you, thank you!
@oscargoldman85 3 ай бұрын
The hyper floppy install reminds me of installing OS2 in 1993. I believe it was 103 disks all up, which at $149 retail was cheaper than buying that many floppies, and those IBM ones were good ones..
@ArchaeanDragon 2 ай бұрын
It is almost like Cray borrowed a lot from CDC's NOS. I remember some of that. That would be a fun project. Bringing back the Cyber Network Operating Systems (NOS and NOS/VE). That was a cool OS and machine series.
@Graham_Rule 3 ай бұрын
I had to port some C software to Unicos and was instantly made aware that word addressing wasn't the same as byte addressing that I'd got used to. Lots of assumptions needed revisited.
@drmick2506 3 ай бұрын
Yes! New NCommander video! Thanks.
@jamescarson578 3 ай бұрын
Recall installing various versions of AT&T Unix that used a similar number of disks. Oracle RDBMS was another enthusiastic diskette user. Building BSD Unix on a PDP was also lots and lots of fun, configuring and messing with the various setups of hardware that were available. BSD on Vaxen was relatively simple.
@Raketenclub 3 ай бұрын
oh yeah i remember installings unixes from scsi tape and even boot from tape. that was neat.
@pavelvrasskii1359 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the new video!
@singletona082 3 ай бұрын
I actually used windows FLP back in the day in my Pentium 3 back in the day. I forget what if any problems it had but it was after id given Linux a few test spins and I remember it being an overall fun time.
@douro20 2 ай бұрын
SUPER-UX and its cousin ESOS are likely to be lost to history. SUPER-UX was a UNIX variant used on NEC's SX line of vector supercomputers up until Linux was adopted. ESOS was the operating system for the Earth Simulator and the Earth Simulator 2. Many older Cray systems- and this included the CDC 6600 and 7600- ran the operating system in the I/O processors to allow the main processor to be free to work on computing tasks. This was also true of many CDC CYBER systems.
@tekvax01 3 ай бұрын
very impressive sir!
@i_lost_my_bagel 3 ай бұрын
Great I was going to watch this and then go to sleep but now I'll probably be up for 4 more hours reading about COS
@calebconnolly7807 3 ай бұрын
so happy to see a new video from you! i guess the windows 11 on arm64 stuff sucks at least partially because of the Qualcomm exclusivity agreement...
@teekay_1 3 ай бұрын
Really great job all around. I used to fuss with putting old versions of windows into VMs. It was great fun, but after it's all said and done, you realize you have something that isn't terribly functional. It would be great to create all of these OS's as VM's so everybody could play with them on their own PCs.
@TheErador 3 ай бұрын
@4:50 now that's a smart customisation there Dell...
@tekvax01 3 ай бұрын
X11 needs the x86config file (at least in the early Linux kernel and Slackware distro days. You need to figure out all of the dot pitch, and H and V timing parameters to be entered. I did it a bunch of times back in the mid-90s, but have forgotten how most of it works now... Might need to pull all the old readmes! but you probably knew that already... :)
@scooter4196 3 ай бұрын
Welcome back my guy!
@asanjuas 3 ай бұрын
Five vintage operating systems using legacy? What? I put a notification to watch this stream.
@sadmac356 3 ай бұрын
Really hope backup tapes are found
@OctoomyYTOfficial 3 ай бұрын
btw some computers in box86 supports tape. Mostly the 8086 and 8088 computers.
@D0Samp 2 ай бұрын
The homecomputer-style cassette deck of the IBM PC and Jr. are meant to use with ROM BASIC and unrelated to actual magnetic tape drives.
@danielktdoranie 3 ай бұрын
Amiga, Atari, Apple, Microsoft, and now Dell… all had a Unix System V release but all killed it pretty quickly, why?
@kwisin1337 3 ай бұрын
I loved flpc. Was fun to play with.
@sjzara 3 ай бұрын
I run Windows 11 for ARM using VMWare player on MacOS Silicon. There are hacks to get around the “connect to Network” issue, as you show. It didn’t crash, and has been very stable, and runs x32 and x64 windows apps seamlessly.
@rkars1 3 ай бұрын
Wow, I genuinely though I was fucking dreaming, new NC video 🎉
@Blzut3 Ай бұрын
Microsoft has actually started to offer prebuilt ARM ISOs for MSDN subscribers. The 23H2 IoT Enterprise image (which allows either Enterprise or IoT Enterprise to be installed) is available and works fine under Parallels. I believe I've heard there's another program Microsoft has that has offered ARM images (beyond Insider), but only used MSDN myself. Of course as other commenters have noted Parallels has streamlined the process of installing from public sources for awhile now so mostly just trivia that the ISOs exist.
@mnoxman 3 ай бұрын
This sounds remarkably like SCO install around the early 90s.
@fra4455 3 ай бұрын
Great video✌
@tivvy2vs21 2 ай бұрын
Nice video, i might enjoy that discord server
@mjdxp5688 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting video!
@douro20 2 ай бұрын
Dell UNIX was sold with their PowerLine Workstations like the elusive 433DE+, which oddly took a CPU which plugged into a mezzanine card on one side of the mainboard, and had a 4-character green alphanumeric LED display for system status.
@tonyblairgaming 3 ай бұрын
the legend returns
@kami-kun_va 3 ай бұрын
Omg NCommander is back! It's been a whole year what happened?
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
I've been livestreaming but uh, its been bad. I have a summary on Patreon.
@SnepperStepTV 2 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely want to reconstruct a Cray to use off to the side on a Unix workstation network. They just don't make Computer Graphics, art, and CAD software like that for modern computers. I love everything about these old systems.
@LesKingBNE 3 ай бұрын
I love this!
@djksfhakhaks 3 ай бұрын
Any virtualization that can forward a device through can support a tape drive. Just forward the scsi card in and boom
@slowlymakingsmoke 2 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the Cray section a lot. I doubt a lot of this has been lost. They will most likely be locked behind company, military, scientific and other propriety archives. The nature of these machines meant most software was most likely custom code and generalised computing outside of the OS would be rare.
@AlsGeekLab 3 ай бұрын
Would be great to have a table of contents if you could!
@Veso266 3 ай бұрын
You are still alive yey
@alabamacajun7791 3 ай бұрын
Was looking for the 1 foot (1 ft.) Cray. 💡
@le9038 3 ай бұрын
7:05 "many bits and pieces from Windows such as fast user switching in an effort to remove unnecessary bloat." Whaaaaat??? No way! Microsoft knew there was unnecessary bloat in their operating system???
@weepingscorpion8739 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I'm kinda tempted to make a USB stick for a GoTek with the Dell UNIX OS and try to install it on actual hardware. Though 1) I don't really know the first thing about UNIX and 2) do I want the potential hassle? I dunno, but could be an experience either way.
@rururururuj 3 ай бұрын
Too late for Ireland but looking forward to watching after
@kathrynmarks9419 3 ай бұрын
Welcome back.
@Madman-8287 3 ай бұрын
Maybe you could try looking at beta versions of Windows? There’s some interesting stuff floating around in those like the fact early versions of Chicago have the unused ability to use explorer tabs the Windows 8 start screen esque activity centers from Neptune and beta ME or the variety of weird things from longhorn like Microsoft MAX or WinFS (which interestingly near the end got a separate installable beta release for Windows XP sp2 before being cancelled)
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
It's been on the list for awhile, but life has been beating me up as of late.
@tschak909 3 ай бұрын
The C in COS actually stands for "Chippewa"
@andresbravo2003 2 ай бұрын
Gosh, I knew Windows Fundamentals really meant for me.
@matthewpaulsen1344 2 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a demo of GRiD OS
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez 3 ай бұрын
I saw info about wffp about around when I was trying to get back in use my old pc, but I never tried nor the thin client version. It would be interesting to try this os on real hardware except sadly not the cray one. It's sad how those mainframes went from innovation to vanish
@yjk_ch 3 ай бұрын
4:11 So can OAM be described as Dell's 'We have SMIT at home'? (though idk if it predates IBM SMIT, actually)
@tankgrrl 2 ай бұрын
UNIX PCs of this era would include DOS so that they could market a PC that could run DOS apps but also natively talk to their UNIX networks. So DOS would run on top and UNIX would handle the interoperability. AT&T also did this with their UNX PC line.
@danmar007 2 ай бұрын
43 disks. That makes me feel better about installing the Windows 95 Preview from 27 floppies!! Luckily I was getting paid to do it! When I was done with that, I installed Slackware to compare the two. :)
@Roxor128 2 ай бұрын
I was surprised to hear that there was a lack of emulated tape drives in PC emulators, especially given the prevalence of them in emulators for various home computers, and the extensive track-record of tape being used for backups. Wonder if there's any possibility for reusing code from those to make virtual PC tape drives?
@D0Samp 2 ай бұрын
Home computers recording data as encoded audio on compact cassettes has little to do with actual magnetic tape data storage. Even with modern hypervisors, the best we have is generic SCSI passthrough (maybe even over iSCSI) of physical tape hardware.
@NCommander 2 ай бұрын
Tape drives were never super standardized on 90s x86. There's a bunch of floppy controlled based ones, and others that were SCSI based. However, most emulators for x86 mostly deal w/ Windows and DOS where tapes just weren't common.
@Roxor128 2 ай бұрын
@@NCommander Ah, lack of standardisation. That explains a lot! Which of the 50 different parallel-port tape drives are you going to emulate? I suppose the SCSI ones might be a bit better, but there was probably still a lot of variation. Oh, and let's not forget the outright proprietary ones that would have come with their own ISA controller card. Ouch.
@EeeEssPee 3 ай бұрын
this shit cray
@rascalwind Ай бұрын
those are the best days every.
@jaut-76 3 ай бұрын
I have a few CDC disk packs which may contain cray software and am currently restoring a suitable drive. Unfortunately the disk pack likely to have a OS is crashed and isn't recoverable
@tekvax01 3 ай бұрын
you may need to use the mknod command to generate and write the correct magic numbers to the dev mount point. But you probably knew that already... :)
@otistically 2 ай бұрын
He wasn't inactive for a year, he was just trying to edit this video in these OSes. 😁😁😁
@zc32-official 2 ай бұрын
4:11 Future livestream idea: Try porting OAM (sysadm) from System V to Linux. It is a part of the UNIX SVR4 source code.
@xmlthegreat 3 ай бұрын
Hi I don't know how you process your voice over but it seems to me that your noise gate is a bit too agressive. A dB lower might give better results, right now it just sounds as though your voice is being clipped off on certain syllables.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
This isn't my usual setup so it might take some time to work out the settings. Thanks.
@NicholasHubbard 3 ай бұрын
I actually have used the Windows 11 for ARM64 on my Mac machine. It’s definitely hard to install if you choose UTM, but I elected to use Parallels instead, because it’s actually a supported way of running it. The performance is genuinely not bad, and I now own a unique Windows 11 Pro for ARM64 product key. Additionally, Parallels fully automates the annoying download and install process for you, making the installation completely painless. Regarding the experience: it’s not bad! Performance is acceptable, but I haven’t the opportunity to test any unusual apps on it. The x86 compatibility layer is much better too, since it finally supports 64 bit apps. Overall: 6/10. Pretty good experience running Windows only apps on my M1 Pro MacBook.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
That was my general experience once I actually got it going. I mostly included it because it fit the theme of everything I was doing.
@LunaticEdit Ай бұрын
I run Windows for Arm64 on the daily on my M2 Pro Mac mini using parallels. It runs like a dream. I can run a ton of x86 and x64 games on it, and it runs things like visual studio _faster_ than my high end windows work laptop.
@bobdole57 3 ай бұрын
I installed Dell SVR4 on real hardware a long time ago and hit the same disk space issue.... I ended up just slapping Tenox's Bochs image down onto a real hard drive and it worked.
@knot126 3 ай бұрын
A new N video :D
@jamescarson578 3 ай бұрын
Never run into Sprite, sounds interesting. Give Plan 9 a try sometime, it sounds like a similar implementation.
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
I couldn't get it to install else it would have been in the video.
@Mysticsam86 3 ай бұрын
I really like this format of you videos! Please correct the spelling of Sweden at -7:37 if you want the Swedish spelling it is: "Sverige" :)
@tmuiuocrndqs 3 ай бұрын
17:37, not 7:37
@CMDRSweeper 3 ай бұрын
It is the new spelling of Sweden! :P
@JayJay-88 3 ай бұрын
As a Swede I'm happy to be mentioned at all 😁
@Mysticsam86 3 ай бұрын
@@tmuiuocrndqs I didnt write 7:37 but -7:37 as the video was live streaming mode and i could not get the actual timstamp only the relative to the end. But thank that you got the correct one :)
@Mysticsam86 3 ай бұрын
@@JayJay-88 ,, varför tror du jag nämner det? ;)
@davidew98 3 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you chose that method to install windows 11 arm. I have a mac m1 running Parallels that automatically installs Windows 11 arm and it runs beautifully! I have also worked on throwing every x86 app I can at it and it works!
@NCommander 3 ай бұрын
I had UTM handy, and it said it supported Windows 11 ...
@davidew98 3 ай бұрын
@@NCommander weird thing is Parallels pulls down an actual install iso from Microsoft site
@lucyinchat 3 ай бұрын
Strangely, My Favorite nonunix os, 9front, didn’t make the cut
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