They are both the same thing. They both are suppressing the ego

@@Seegie16 No these two are quite different

@@jad7932 I should have explained better. You're right there are two quite different things. But what I'm trying to say is that they are both tools to suppress the ego. Therefore they do the same thing but are not the same

@@Seegie16 Tools...? More personal traits, I would say.

@@Seegie16 You need more nuance in your thinking.

you guys must hate elon musk. for the most part he’s all talk. i’m in america and i can’t stand the promises he makes.

I love this. I wish we had same rule here in Turkey. I think this rule would heal our social problems. Go on Scandinavians, you guys are way ahead of us.

@@instantsus_ We dont hate ppl with ambitions, but taking control so . The law is not an invention. Just a word for something that was already there. We take control by controlling each other and ourselves. It requires balance. Barriers exist to be broken, but balance is also required. For example, it is not good to brag a lot. But if you do that, then you must deliver the goods. Otherwise, the Janteloven will come, you know.

@@Reseddadoes this also apply to politicians?

@@instantsus_ yes if politicians don't have some humility and behave like the average person they won't get very popular

The Laws of Jante are pretty much universal, they exist to some extent in every society around the world. While I agree that humility and modesty are virtues and that arrogance and conceitedness are flaws of character, the Laws of Jante are not good, because they are in place to make you feel worthless and to make you not acknowledge own achievements, not develop your obvious talents and to squander your ambitions. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with developing your talents and being ambitious. You should acknowledge and be well aware of your strengths just as you should be aware of your weaknesses. It's completely fine to be better at something than someone else, the world needs people who are skilful in various disciplines, ambitious and aware of how and where they can best put their talents to best use. You don't need to be braggadocious about your talents and achievements, in fact being so is a sign of weakness and lack of confidence, desperately seeking the praise of others. But you should definitely still acknowledge your talents and achievements, cultivate it, develop it, be ambitious about it and reach your potential.

m danish and the jantelaw is devilish

don't think you can teach me anything.

@@dndkopdager3315 that is because you make it so, first o all it's not a law so how can it be devilish, it's a satire description of small society Denmark -there is truth to it, but it is also exaggerated -because it's satire , it only really exists as a limitation to your life if you believe it is -you can also choose to see it as a reminder that we all have the same value as humans whether we are poor, rich, educated, uneducated , woman, man ect.- we don't have to be the same or do the same but we ll have value either way, and when all is done and we lay down to die , our life was just a tiny drop in a huge sea so remember to be humble

What a sad rule.

well put!

It's pretty clear there is an aspect she has felt. Rather evident in at least one Laven, no?: "You're not to think you are as good as we are."

Well put! That's exactly what a lot of people get wrong about this way of thinking.

I think some people are objectively greater than others.

@@andrews4070 "you" is both singular and plural in the english language, while we in Norway have "du" for singular and "we" is plural. You alone are not as good as we are together, would be a fitting rewrite that'd help people understand better, I believe.

You can still be good at something without being arrogant about it.

@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 I'm sorry but I don't understand why you had to point that out. Do you feel like that's what i meant when I said that the Jantelov is a reminder not to think too highly of yourself? (I'm genuinely confused as to why you pointed this out). There is no correlation between arrogance and how good you are at doing something, so I agree with the idea that you can be good at something without being arrogant, I don't think I ever said otherwise.

Not to think too highly about yourself yes but i read it and it says you're not to think you are better from us at anything and the other youre not to think Nobody cares about you or some bullshit like this this sounds to me racist and nothing else

@@fury9233 There is no mention of race or supperiority at all in the «Jantelov». How you’ve managed to decrypt the «Jantelov» into being something racist is quite impressive. No, the «Jantelov» is not racist. You are not to think that you are better than us, is actually directed at the person reading the text. To put it simply, you (the reader) must not think that you are better than anyone else. How you choose to interpret that message is up to you, but I would say its something along the lines of be humble. On the topic of race I would go as far as to say that the «Jantelov» is against the mindset of superiority and is therefor against racism. You’re free to interpret the «Jantelov» whatever way you like but I think you should read it a couple more times before you decide that its some racist bullshit. Scandinavians are not racist x)

@@tberger077 are you kidding me ?" You're not to think you are as good as we are" what about this? Haha and this" You're not to think you are good at anything" and this " You're not to think you can teach us anything" and this "You're not to think anyone cares about you" this sounds bad to me and by the way other people from other countries have a lot to teach Scandinavians and one of the most important is respect. I live in Norway and I can say how most of the people are not trying to say everyone is like this some people I have met they are really nice but some things must be spoken.

Same genetics lad

south african-norwegian just saying hi

It's a Germanic thing, and it's embedded in culture and language.

No it's way harsher than just being humble. It boils down to bullying talented and ambitious people in order to make them conform. The laws of jante pretty much state that it's wrong to be talented and ambitious, that such people shouldn't feel that they are good at anything, that they know anything, that they are worth anything, that they matter to anybody or that they have anything to teach others. That's not about humility, that's more about the envy and jealousy of the average Joe. You can be humble and modest while still being aware of your own strengths, developing your talents, acknowledging your achievements and being ambitious. Just don't be an arrogant, conceited, self-absorbed, narcissistic dick about it... don't be like Donald!

I think it originally was written satirically as a critique of cultural norms, that’s why it sounds so “exaggerated”

Gotta love the irony of thinking your way is better while preaching about not feeling youre better than anyone else.

@@kaim2869 irony or not, dont you think its a better way of living? That you are not somehow more worth than the other guy just because you make more money or have a big fancy title? Janteloven is simply a tool to help oneself from becoming arrogant, or viewing oneself as a supperior being to others.

@@Nordbish and yet you still fail to see the hypocrisy.. if there is no better ...then jante is just a thing that exists like everything else. it's no better or worse..according to its own logic

Janteloven is not about interacting. Not a single of law of Jante speaks of how you should behave or act towards others. Rather every single law of Jante tells how you should think and feel about yourself, and the gist of it is pretty much that you should feel stupid, worthless and inferior to other human beings and feel that nobody cares about you.

@@kaim2869 "irony or not, dont you think its a better way of living?" He did see the hypocrisy. Also it's about seeing that you are not more important than other people. They have as much right to exist as yourself.

Oh my you said that very well!

Exactly 👍👍👍happiedt people in the world!? Oh no way. See the Film the swedisch theory of love. Hypocritic self cheeting people

Just the same here in Norway as well.

@@tobiastranetellefsen4203 I guess I shall see for myself. I just moved to Norway :D For now it seems more chilled and relaxed and I really love it :)

Jantaloven, as it is codified, started in the 1930s, well after the Scandinavian immigration to the midwest happened. But, whether the mentality of the jantaloven have existed prior to then and influenced Scandinavian society (and their immigrant descendants) is another question. it probably is the case.

@@ziad8947 All small societies have a form of Jantelov. We just named it.

@@dennissanfilippo8836 small and big societies have it. Even the US has a great deal of Jantelov. Just think about how nerds and geeks are being treated in the schoolyard for having odd hobbies and interests, not conforming to the dumbed down average, being overly studious and pursuing intellectual growth. They don't conform to the latest pop-culture, fashion items, music, sports and hobbies, instead they learn to speak klingon, play the piano or the violin, do well in maths and score high on their SATs, so they are bullied so that they learn to at least conform to the Laws of Jante! They shouldn't think that they are so special, or that they are smarter or better than anyone else or that anyone even cares about them 😉

did it apply to minorities in the modern era? is it a society thing?

J S it is a social norm every child grow ups being taught by their parents to fit into society. It is not a real law, just a principle to live by, a part of our cultural character

I doubt this Law stops people from becoming dancers 🤔🤔 Are there not any dancers in Nordic countries?

Punished by LOOKED down on, not beaten to a pulp

@@juuk3103 Or the same kind of disapproving look parents give their misbehaving children. Or the utter horror: someone will have some words to say to you!

@@juuk3103 Exactly, most people can feel shame. And shame is a much more effective punishment than physical ones or getting locked away

If you are a jerk, you deserve to be punished in a way that makes you think twice about your own behavior. In other words: If you are a jerk, people will think of you as a jerk.

I hope you are American... There are such sickly collectivist people there. Although America is the most capitalist country in the entire Western world, it is also the least individualistic. America is very collectivist.

@@vilagistene2137Im sorry but I find it hard to understand, in my point of view America is a very individualized country.

⁠@@DelusionalwanderlusterAnd How? There’s no freedom, no human rights, and very extrovert the social life there. Peopel just talk to you in the street or the shop. There’s much club and community even in inside in a small town… and very much law and rule. In Europe you’re everywhere more free Than US and in Europe you have private life. Americans are don’t know what the private sphere mean…

It's satire. You can absolutely think of yourself as good at fishing. You can even brag about how big your fish is between the eyes, as long as you're not a jerk. Do it in a way to show others how happy you are about your catch, not to raise yourself at the expense of others.

Might this simply be _your_ interpretation of an interpretation? The text seem to stir up envy and bitterness. Not exactly kid-friendly, and many ppl overlook how it has participated in shapin top societies with equal interpretation chances for all. This even hints that maybe Sandemose himself, may have missed Janteloven's real essence. Balance. Braggers should realize that failing to live up to their own hype _will_ weaken trust. It's not about holding anyone down. Naturally, investing in a truly impressive bragger is preferable over someone who's all talk. While some behaviors might relate to social norms, Janteloven isn't at play here, though it often gets blamed due to varying interpretations. No rule justifies bad behavior or irresponsibility. Many fail to look past the satirical haze and recognize that people _are_ encouraged to stand out and make contributions. Which is what Janteloven truly is about. I am not only focusing on myself. Others are valuable too. Please, take pride in your fishing skills. You've earned it! And it's crucial that you too tell yourself! Because once the lights are on, you'll see no "law", only that _you've_ been the only one in your way! My interpretation of the social structure is just as valid as Sandemose's. However, the difference is that his portrayal erroneously convinced many of strict rules to be followed verbatim, and a doctrine of self-restraint, likely traumatizing generations. The harsh text of Janteloven's, by championing genuine equal opportunities for everyone, ironically grants the very chance to liberate oneself from the harsh text 😂

@@Eljulitus I take things really literally

Yes jante laki (finland) and jantelögen (iceland)

im danish and the jantelaw is devilish

Perfectly described!

Its sad

Meh, if they were so conservative, they wouldn't have let in all the refugees that they did which absolutely disrupts this balance.

@@douglas_fir yeah they messed up on that one for sure

Having structure isn’t automatically conservative.

@@douglas_fir Being conservative has nothing to do with immigration. And there are hardly any immigrants at all, the vast majority are also from neighboring/european countries that are pretty similar.

@@douglas_fir im a swede and i can tell you that almost everyone outside of the big cities are against the migration. i work in a service job where i meet new people every day and no one i have met thinks the imegration we have is good, everyone hates it

Does it really can it be proven because I have been trying to figure out when jante law started.

@@shanesorensen7878 it could certainly also have originated in the Viking age, as being a boastful ass could easily get you an axe in the back. :D Unless ofc, if you had the gift of the gab, and could make it funny. ;)

@@shanesorensen7878 It probably started thousands of years ago when people tried to survive the cold climate in the Nordic countries. Everyone had to cooperate. If they did not, the whole society would suffer.

There how you walk, why you walk, and what you do while walking. This is the individual in the Commonweal

Exactly.

Juan Manriquez no one who is greedy is content or who is materialistic.

Some people are superior because they are smarter, work harder and are more ambitious. That communist system of Sweden considers everyone equal.

Norse Ross agree small dose to stay humble. Bad dose to abuse for conformity

How is it petty and selfish? It literally protects society from cases of narcissism and egomania. I don’t want to live amongst people who think they’re better than me. I don’t think I’m better than anyone else, because no human is better than one another.

@@k.c7655 it’s petty because it encourages being judgmental of others for being themselves. It’s petty because it comes across as the rules of people with fragile egos. At worst when read to the letter, it sounds like gods talking down to mere mortals and telling them to never think they’re worth anything. Hell it’s satirical. That Scandinavians didn’t understand this proves how stubborn they are.

It’s highly (!!!) exaggerated in this video. It isn’t restricting or a law at all, it’s just a social norm not to brag and to stay humble. Instead of “Yes, I’m excellent at what I do, I win most competitions, want to look at some pictures?” you’d say “sure, I’d say I’m descent, and this has been a good competition season for me so I’m very pleased with it.” If someone exclaims “Wow, you’re like an expert, you know everything about [subject]!” you’d downplay it slightly: “Well, I don’t know about expert, but thank you! I’ve put a lot of time and effort in learning about it so I’d say I’m quite knowledgeable by now.” You’re just not supposed to brag and boast.

@@FilippaSkogSad. If i’m happy with something i did, it’s wrong to talk about it? Everyone is supposed to just keep quiet and cannot be proud of an achievement? Just because someone might feel “less worth”? What a joke.

It is not about being ashamed of yourself. It is about not to raise yourself above others, on their expense.

​@@ahkkariq7406 I'm afraid that the Laws are not that specific. Generally speaking, the Laws of Jante never tell you to respect others, or to think well of others (which, for instance, I generally do) but rather, tell you that you should "never think to be good at anything" (I'm quoting here). Quite the punitive approach if you ask me.

@@chillwithgian5594 Well - I have grown up in a society influenced på the Jante Law, and I am pretty sure I understand the effects it has on society. If you are a psychopath, then there is little hope for you. Any other human being will treat other people in a good way unless you are high on yourself.

@@ahkkariq7406 The fact that you called "psychopath" anyone that doesn't fit your example outlines another key issue of Janteloven: what happens to those who do not fit (or are incapable of fitting) in a society?

@@chillwithgian5594 What are you talking about? I don't think you understood my claim.

Humility is an admirable virtue but to express pride in oneself every once in a while does not make one a bad person. On the one extreme we have American celebrity/material culture which is ugly, superficial and narcissistic but on the other hand we have countries like the Scandanavian nations where collectivism is the ultimate rule and all forms of individuality, effort and merit are forbidden. Neither is healthy imo. There needs to be balance in all things in life.

Because there is no such thing as balance in humans. So you basically just have the opposite of self aggrandizing which comes off just as toxic.

Well, suppose they ARE better than you.. in sports, math, whatever.. what is the problem with that? Do you mean to say that they should NEVER mention their accomplishments, because you might become jealous? If, however, you mean better as a person, as a human being, then it is another story, of course. But as I previously mentioned,I never believed in the existence of this law, it never stopped me from doing anything.

America definitely needs a hard dose of this law. Narcissism is running free in the 2020s of America, and it’s spreading to the rest of the world.

America has plenty of Jantelaw. Every single country does. Sure you are allowed to have big dreams in America, but Jantelaw is still part of everyday group dynamics even in the US. Just think about how nerds and geeks are being treated in the schoolyard for having odd hobbies and interests, not conforming to the dumbed down average, being overly studious and pursuing intellectual growth. They don't conform to the latest pop-culture, fashion items, music, sports and hobbies, instead they learn to speak klingon, play the piano or the violin, do well in maths and score high on their SATs, so they are bullied so that they learn to at least conform to the Laws of Jante! They shouldn't think that they are so special, or that they are smarter or better than anyone else or that anyone even cares about them, rather they should feel like inferior social outcasts 😉 That's Jantelaw right there!

Considering Elon Musk is South African rather than American, I'm guessing "not paying taxes" and "access to americanized german rocket technology" is higher up on the priority list.

Not really? Elon Musk the person wouldn’t exist, but a collective organization similar to SpaceX would exist, just not owned by anyone

I would be quite happy if that was true since Elon is not the most enlightened person around. He seems quite full of himself. However, the Nordics have A LOT of billionaires are unicorns. I'm guessing you have heard about Spotify, Skype, Minecraft, Lego, Nokia, H&M, Volvo, SAAB, etc.

Karl XIV Johan do Think the law of jante is of a Christian origin because I have gotten different answers to when it started some say it’s Christian and some say it’s ancient Nordic.

Political Correctness is the Satire at the End of the Universe.

No, the USA with its “freedom”, rioting, Critical Race Theory, lack of laws protecting women, Critical Gender Theory, Queer Theory, and narcissism, is an Orwellian nightmare

I bet a lot of you are arrogant on the inside

@@KittySnicker I bet you're an american

@@angelgray8899 Sure. Everyone who calls you out on your BS must be "American". Stupid.

yeh, i agree. i mean, it's not like due to the overly liberal and individualist society that reigns in america the entire country became the home of scientists, visionaries, artists and people *who actually make the world move.*

I'm curious! I really like the whole "you're not better than anyone" part. But why is the second one "you are not to think you are as good as we are"? Isn't the whole point to keep equality? No one should act like he's better than anyone? The second one says - you are less than us!

The Swedish royal family was originally french, and was instated during the Napoleonic wars. I'm sure they took some time to integrate into Swedish society. /s Either way, it's quite clear that they're talking about modern times.

The Swedes are a bunch of egotistical, self absorbed, introverted, boring passive aggressive creatures.

@Stalin Steel *Scandinavian lies. How do recognize a member of Scandinavian society? They believe the same lies.

You really don’t get it, do you? Scandinavian mentality has nothing to do with insecurity or jealousy. It’s about protecting society from narcissism. When the only punishment in society is feeling “shame” in wanting to be special, it protects you from shoving how special you are onto others, and how they are beneath you. You are not more special than anyone else, and it’s not because others are jealous or insecure - it’s because everyone is equal. If someone has a problem with equality, they are the insecure, spiteful, narcissistic one.

@@k.c7655 Yes, Scandinavians are ashamed to stand out, obviously. This perpetuates spitefulness toward both others who are perceived to stand out, as well as those who chastise oneself for standing out. The biggest problem is that because everyone is inherently different. We are all individuals, particularly in a country like Sweden, which decided to open it's doors to immigrants. How can you expect all these people to become invisible? How long will a person allow others to dictate their own thoughts, behavior, and appearance before they realize how stupid it is, being as their judgment it's totally relative, and individual as well? That's the rub. Who the fuck do you think YOU are to judge me? You'd better be perfect. Most Swedes think they are perfect enough to judge, ostracize, and destroy the lives of people who don't meet their expectations. It's far being common courtesy. That's narcissism. It's their own insecurity trying to master itself into confidence, but it comes out as arrogance at best, and racism, etc. At worst. They act as if I should live my life for it to suit other people. They certainly don't suit mine, or else this wouldn't be an issue I needed to waste my time talking about.

@@ryanmurphy4883 okay little princess Go and feel special Another place then scandinavia I'm sure there are many other countries that want a beautiful little flower like you

Why “fuck this shit”???? It’s a very fair thing, anyone who thinks it’s bad must be a narcissist or selfish. You receive respect, but must give respect back too

@@k.c7655 or maybe they are just someone who values the ability to express themselves in a unconventional way without being ostracized? Self expression does not have to have a foundation of arrogance, but you janties see self expression and assume arrogance. Ironically, it's an example of the collective thinking they are 'better' than those outside it.

Lol, well your not.. your govt owns your arse and basically decides whats best for you.. unless u somehow can get enough people to overthrow it and it starts all over for someone Else lmao..

Niklas Hɐusǝu We are special in Gods eyes and not in the satanic government

What makes you think you’re special, and the others aren’t? All human beings are equal

@@k.c7655 all human beings are BORN equals. After that, it’s really up to how they live their lives that determines their value. I prefer Karma to Jante.

and i like , that you like to be special...you are very special 👏❤✊😎

Disgusting law.

I’m not Swedish but I wish we had this law in our country.... it would really help us over here

I really wonder how people in your society think of Jante law. The reality you see currently:) I'm Korean who hate hierarchical system which depends on capital. And actually I think that some part of Jante law is needed for our society

It's not an actual law, i do hope you know that. Every country and culture has a set of unwritten rules about how you should behave and conduct yourself. Aksel Sandemose wrote this novel with the 10 "comandments"of correct conduct to make fun of our society's 'unwritten' rules of conduct. Which made us all more aware I think, and made us look at our society and ourselves in a new way, because noone before him, had put it on paper like that. But they (the rules) reflect our culture and mindset very well. If you brag about something, people will turn their back on you and you will be excluded from the 'group' and they will talk trash about how you think you're better than everyone and that is not ok. It's a society of bitter old grumpy nagging grandmas really. If you dont follow the rules of conduct, you're a weirdo.

@@ha181293 well, what you just explained, isn't that a human thing? I am pretty sure in Afghanistan we have this same unwritten law, but in a barbaric way

@@ha181293 So you don’t approve of these laws? You don’t believe in people being humble and not acting more special than one another?

@@k.c7655Why is it wrong for someone to feel more special than someone? Imagine a world where EVERYONE, thought of themselves as equal and not superior than anyone else. How would our world look like? How would presidents, military defense work?

The harsh way in which Sandemose put words to something that was there long before him is everything that is wrong with bad attitudes. Hence, the point is not to interpret it literally and live by it. Be it satire or not, it is only _his_ words, and only _his_ views. Regardless, Scandinavia and the Nordic countries are still the countries with the best living conditions and functioning welfare system, designed so that as many as possible have the same opportunities for freedom, individuality, creativity and self-realization. _"Everything that's wrong with Scandinavia"_ is *still* something most of the world envies.

No, it cannot. We have NO classes. Rich or poor, we're all the same. That is the basics of the law of Jante.

@R B J just a joke

A Hindu asking for shariah shows the mindset of hindu extremists spreading fast

@@ravin2363 actually i am an exchristian now an atheist it is common in India for Christians to have a Hindu name also I am not a Hindu nationalist

@@exmuslimkerala7544 not possible that you were a Christian. Once you are seal you sealed. I do believe you think you were though, because if you knew what it was really about you would have never left

@@truthinspector6390 that's what you think.

No, it’s not fake. Feeling shame teaches you true humility sooner or later.

I hope your kidding

Your sarcasm is superb

Allah who? Akhbar? he went back to Egypt last year... took his wife and 7 kids with him.

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