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It seems like there are a lot of misconception about the Law of Jante. It's not that you shouldn't be successful, but in short, if you are successful, don't be a smug peace of s*** about if

No, the tips targets idiots, not professionals.

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Is it likely that celebrating an achievement could be seen as bragging?

What a loser country

@@Torakan1 And you are from...?

@@markussmedhus9717 Haiti

@@Torakan1 A land of pirates.

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@@salg2145 That's not for you to decide, lol

Same here, my friends who live in nordic countries tell me i will be good there😁

Claiming you are a perfect fit, would get you canceled. You need somebody already established to claim "you act just like a Norwegian". And then you need to claim something like" no I do not, but thank you for thinking so".

It is, if you do it, without the approval of the correct people.

I would like to moderate this one slightly; I wouldn`t be jealous at ALL, if a person said that he/she was Olympic champion or if he had two ph.d`s (I have "only" one MA degree). I expect that these things would come up in a situation where we would talk about these things. I don`t suffer from inferiority complex in front of people who are wealthier than me or has a higher degree.. I don`t care. They have probably worked hard, so they deserve it. On the other hand, I also don`t look down upon someone who "only" has secondary grammar school, he/she may be absolutely brilliant in other fields and/or a great person in many ways.

@@bjrnjensen7074 Telling/informing and bragging are different things but sometimes it can be difficult to know where the line goes. Often it depends on the tone and body language.

@@daghugowilhelmsen5660 Sure. But mostly I would just ignore it, if they were really bragging.. On the other hand, I don`t think that I`ve ever come across a person that was really bragging, the way I interprete the word. Also, it wouldn`t exactly bother me if I was someone`s home, and their entire wall was covered with diploma from various universities, I would probably just think "okay, good for him!"!.

I'm from Norway, and can tell you that his understanding of the Law of Jante is very wrong. It's not that you shouldn't be successful, but in short, if you are successful, don't be a smug peace of s*** about it

Janteloven is dead, wakeup.

Me too I wish I could live there. 💜 I don’t fit in the work vibe of my home country or USA because I don’t like peacocking. Of course too much of a good thing is bad, and precisely because of that I think our side of the world could learn a lot from places like Norway and improve our relationships and even mental health at work. I saw another video where they say Norwegians love meetings hehehehe maybe there I don’t agree but the concept of thinking for yourself, being actually humble (not saying “how humble you feel”), and not bragging at all is a great foundation for being a good professional and a good person. Maybe one day I will retire in Norway. That would be AMAZING …. one can only dream, the perfect combo for me is life in Norway and winter in Costa Rica. I really think those two countries are just great for people’s mental health, the US is feeling a bit like a comfortable numb prison and my home country is a total mess right now so can’t go back! …. But we need visas so …. :(

Are You kidding??

This is trash

LOL. Not, in such literal sense. More like: 'You are not suppose to step above your group / collective and try to teach them lessons'

@@Sleepery22 Oh that makes a lot more sense. Thank you.

I had that list in my office. Many would say that the "You are not to thinke we care about you is harsh'" Like "knowonw cares about you as a humn being. What it really means is "No one wants to hear your boasting. My take is that it is all about modesty.

It's more like cultural mob rule to me.

No its made up by assholes in Scandinavia with huge control freak egos. It denounces ambitions or creativity for the sake of conforming to values you dont agree with. The most lamest cultural value in these countries. The guy who wrote it isnt at fault though, he simply wrote what people back then was thinking is all

I think it has it's share of advantages and drawbacks. Yes, it enforces a sense of humility and reservation in society, however many can come to find it opressive at times. There have been socio-political movements to try to kill the law of Jante. I believe it is a part of our heritage that reflects a long history of a comunal society, which can from time to time clash with modern global individualistic norms and expectations. Norwegian society has, like most european cultures, been impacted by western media, often produces almost exclusively in America which is a largely individualistic culture, and has served to imbue a small degree of "americanization" into Norwegian society and culture. This is usually not that noticable, but these new and old norms and expectations can at times clash. I also feel compelled to point out that, unlike what others may have inferred, the law of Jante was never really "made up". If anything the law of Jante is an attempt to explain a social phenomena found the amongst the nordic countries, which may have evolved out of a shared history of isolated small communites where everyones survival depended upon close cooperation and sacrifice for the community as a whole. For example, if your father was a blacksmith, the only one in the village, but you wanted to become a tailor, you would be expected to become a blacksmith anyway because that is what the community needs and is your station in life.

@@henrikkjuus90 Hmm... That sounds like socialism in a small community. Nice point of view)

@@thunderyeti8476 You could certaintly say it has contributed to the modern wellfare state, in the sense that it is accepted as normal that everyone should contribute to take care of everyone

It’s a good thing to keep a society under control and safe. However it’s a bad thing if you’re an ambitious person or have different views. In business it certainly holds back both companies and individuals from producing outsized results.

Yes, as the results speak for themselves, ...But if you value your individual status higher than others, then go to the US. This report sums up why the Nordics countries are the best in the world for their Citizens; worldhappiness.report/ed/2020/the-nordic-exceptionalism-what-explains-why-the-nordic-countries-are-constantly-among-the-happiest-in-the-world/#fnref1

@@WorkingwithNorwegians Different views such as what? That everyone should be equal to one another? If someone doesn’t want to be equal to the others, and want to be special, why is that a good thing?

Why is it limiting to be equal to everyone else, and not demand special attention towards yourself? It’s all about giving and receiving equal respect

@@k.c7655 Well take sports for example, if you are equal in performance or results then the system of competitive sports doesn't work. Everyone can't be first place. Although in Norway sports is actually one area where the laws of jante are not as strict. In business, it's a bit different and janteloven applies everywhere you look. If you outperform your colleagues it can actually be a bad thing in Norway. It's a society that wants everyone to get both equal respect but also put in equal effort. That's different than say America where high performers in business are elevated (Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc). You don't get these types in Norway and as a result, the country is not creating large global brands or new technology on par with other developed countries.

Are you saying Janteloven is not part of society today in Norway? Because, well, lol

@@WorkingwithNorwegians Sandemose was as far as I know of the opinon that this was universal. "Jante" was Nykøbing, Mors, Denmark where he was born and raised. If you wish to believe in it, don't let me keep you from that. He later added the 11th. law.

@@floro7687 Yes, Jante Laws come from his literal work, and they are exaggerated and even satirical (not all Scandinavians take them word by word), but they originate from egalitarian values that Scandinavians have developed over the centuries and are very real! p.s. I'm not Scandinavian, that's just my impression living and working with them..

@@Sleepery22 Well, if you read Sandemose's work you will deduct that the townspeople definiitely were not for equality! Do you think he murdered a man in "Misery Harbour"? His son published an intriguing book on his father's many strange traiths a few years ago.

@@floro7687 It's irrelevant. It's mostly fictional literary work. What I'm saying is that Scandinavian sense for solidarity has developed over the centuries as result many factors: plague, depopulation, famines, little ice age, etc. In general: harsh living conditions. So I believe that, even without Jante Laws, Scandinavians would be more egalitarian society than most of other Europeans. But maybe a bit less weird sometimes.. ;)

Haha… so true ….

Nah bro, they aren't communists and they don't follow Moscow orders. Iirc their socialist liberals. And their country is far better than America

@@readmarx420 While I don't disagree, I also don't think his comment is worth responding to. Only an ideologue would be insulted.

I'm from Norway, and can tell you that this video is very wrong about the Law of Jante. It's just a social norm, and it's not that you shouldn't be successful, but in short, if you are successful, don't be a smug peace of s*** about it

I'm from Norway, and can tell you that his understanding of the Law of Jante is very wrong. Firstly, it's not an actual law, just a social norm, and it's not that you shouldn't be successful, but in short, if you are successful, don't be a smug peace of s*** about it

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No that’s not really how it works. You can encourage him and tell him he’s great, but if you followed this way you wouldn’t compare him to others. For instance you’d say he’s great at math but you wouldn’t say he’s best in the class.

It's not at all how it works here. We do have people who are best in math, funniest, smartest or kindest, but even though you might be the best at something, you should never be full of yourself. It's a country of humble people. It doesn't mean they aren't successful. A child will always be encouraged to do their best!

You have gotten it completely wrong. If such a talented boy was surrounded with a bunch of idiots who tried to bully him, because he was soo superiour in his field, it would be any teachers duty to STOP them. However, I don`t think this is a major problem, the biggest problem is probably that some talents are bored/understimulated, due to the fact that they may be way above the rest. Which is why I am a huge fan of private schools, as a supplement, and/or more differentiated teaching, to stimulate the talents that are there, just like they are giving special education for those students who may be lagging behind in some subjects. People are different, and teaching should reflect that.

I think you've heavily misunderstood the law. Being good is always encouraged. Saying you are good is not. Your success should be displayed by what you do, not what you say or own.

No, it's quite opposite. I have a lot of Scandinavian friends who are extraordinary good in what they do, and they are getting even better every day. But they don't push that in everybody else's face. Scandinavians also recognize skills of others, they might even give you a benefit of doubt if you are 'cocky foreigner', especially if they see these skills beneficial for entire collective.

Not by socialism, more by Christianity. After Scandinavia was Christianized, they couldn't go around anymore to raid other Christians, so they had to relay on their own limited resource. Centuries of struggle to survive, developed collective sense of common good and egalitarianism. Jante Laws and Social-Democracy came much later.

What an ignorant and dumb comment.

This cultural aspect is much older than Socialism. And this explanation is saturated, but there are fragments of truth in it. It depends on what business you are working in, but people who are bragging about them self is still awkward.

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