Modding e-paper devices with Android
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4 жыл бұрынE-paper or electronic paper display devices and modding Android to expand functionality. Featuring two ebook readers that run Android under the hood and modding to expose full access to Android. Plus a Yotaphone that already has full Android and can run that on it's e-paper screen including playing video at a decent frame rate.
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@Trekeyus 4 жыл бұрын
Point of clarification the pebble watch didn't actually use e-paper. They used to type of trans reflective LCD that's similar to epaper but not actually eink
@JanusCycle 4 жыл бұрын
It seems you are correct. The Pebble display is not quite e-paper and not quite LCD but something in between made by Sharp. I'm going to look into this a bit more. Thanks
@leithacullen Жыл бұрын
I thought the the original pebble did, the new time model uses a low voltage LCD from LG.
@LuxurioMusic Жыл бұрын
Memory LCD! They still need energy to function, but only need a little pulse once per second or so. I got myself a couple to play with (one monochrome and one 3bit RGB), but have never got round to it...
@Jagermonsta Жыл бұрын
@@LuxurioMusic I had a Matrix PowerWatch 2 which used a memory lcd, great watch and great battery until it died
@bubbledoubletrouble Жыл бұрын
Further point of clarification: What the Pebble Watch used, Memory LCD, _did_ qualify as e-paper. The key points of e-paper are: 1) They primarily rely on ambient light for the user to see their content (sometimes a front light) rather than emissive technology 2) They use little or no power to retain their content What you are thinking of is an electrophoretic display, with E Ink being the trademark of the leading manufacturer of those displays. There are also other e-paper technologies, the most famous of the rest (though not particularly commercially successful) probably being the interferometric Mirasol.
@SATADELUXE Жыл бұрын
I love how the Sony E-Paper device has the XMB icons for Settings, Browser and probably a lot more!
@georgeadrianstefan1676 Жыл бұрын
The back screen would be a great tool to still use your phone with its primary display cracked until replacement. I miss the 2010-2015, when phone companies tried to impress their customers.
@TheRedCap Жыл бұрын
Nothing's really changed. They just figured out how easily we're impressed.
@StormTheSquid Жыл бұрын
@@TheRedCap What's changed is that most major phone manufacturers are probably colluding with each other to ensure they barely have to do any work while they jack up the prices to the moon and beyond.
@m7mdzuhair9gamer61 Жыл бұрын
@@StormTheSquid true
@xythrr Жыл бұрын
When the iphone 6 started bending, phone manufacturer's immediately tightened up. Only ones recently that have tried anything were lg, motorola, and kinda samsung.
@TheRedCap Жыл бұрын
@@xythrr You mean to tell me *folding glass* is "kinda"? Like, I'm no Samsung fan. I like my bootloaders open. But folding glass is an amazing invention that still needs some of the kinks worked out. That's really the only experimentation that's going on right now, LG left and Motorola seems to just be maintaining the status quo.
@hasnathridoy Жыл бұрын
Ahh...clockworkmod...those days ❤️
@hydra3693 Жыл бұрын
Damn...keep calm and boot on this is definitely pre-2016 internet culture. also the phone with epaper back, it gives peak golden age Android 2014 Nexus energy, sometimes i wish i went back in time to enjoy it more...
@ausoundTM Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true. Enjoying those old phones, sometimes i buying cheap old phones just to root it and install custom recoveries, sometimes new (lol, old tablets can run latest lineage). Like this aesthetic of android below 8, unfortunately, there is no updates on it and software list becomes smaller from day to day(
@hydra3693 Жыл бұрын
@@ausoundTM that's sad. my Galaxy S7 is well maintained by a chad that specialized himself on keeping Exynos 889x devices alive through the latest Lineage versions, currently running a fresh LOS 20 update that came yesterday on a device from 2016. It is pretty good, this phone could still keep running for a couple more years. Also before replacing the display it served as a Minecraft server running on a bare motherboard
@ausoundTM Жыл бұрын
@@hydra3693 currently have S10+ and S8 as my second phones, bought them for like 50$ for S10+ and 10$ for S8, replaced displays to less damaged and rear glass. Nice devices for everyday usage
@mistermagnifico Жыл бұрын
Morrisons use electronic ink displays for their prices. This is a very good use of e-ink. They can just reprogram the price rather than removing, printing and placing each small piece of papers in their price slots.
@codebeat4192 Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with most of these devices is that it is almost impossible to connect to the outside world. That is what you need when you want to reuse them as a display for something else, to display data for example. I like to reuse such device as display for my solar panel project to show some information about the system. For example with an UART connected to a microcontroller.
@tschuuuls486 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a ESP32 or a PI or even a Pi picoW as an "interposer" would be a good idea. You could use either wifi, or do serial stuff over USB-OTG, but not sure how well charging while in OTG mode is implemented on those devices. Good luck :)
@neotheapplefan332 Жыл бұрын
I do like your videos a lot. They are unique, informative and also fun to watch :)
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
Nice of you to say that, thank you.
@DreQueary 4 жыл бұрын
Was expecting more views cus these videos are really cool.
@thisislilraskal Жыл бұрын
I always learn something from your videos. cheers mate.
@uttammondal3183 Жыл бұрын
This channel sooooo underated, I want this channel to grow sooooo much
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad you are enjoying. If I keep making good videos then I hope more people will enjoy.
@FirstLast-bi8xi 4 жыл бұрын
That finish was kinda cool!
@burntoutelectronics Жыл бұрын
One use case is like to explore with this is using one as a schematic viewer. It would be great for diagnosing circuits without printing them off
@kubujak1989 Жыл бұрын
YOTA Phone was a really interesting concept! I wish we had a option today to have an e-ink screen at the back of the phone. Or at least a cover with such a screen built in. russians are the way they are, but they tend to be creative sometimes.
@girlmaya6818 Жыл бұрын
wtf does the last part mean
@windows8.1proforthewin Жыл бұрын
@@girlmaya6818 YOTA is a Russian company. Sometimes, they get so creative that they make weird expensive phones.
@BC0pss Жыл бұрын
it's an embarrassment for us all such highly anticipated phone turned out to be just an overpriced, poorly built, mediocre spec'd phone with an e-ink display slapped on its back there were e-ink cases for iphones or galaxy s at the time but yota sued them for patent infringement, which is a double yikes as they neither built a good e-ink phone nor let other companies add an e-ink screen on an existing good phone, what a shame yota devices went bankrupt (what a surprise) and there could be e-ink cases today
@windows8.1proforthewin Жыл бұрын
@@BC0pss Agreed.
@AuspiciousLynx Жыл бұрын
Those mini screens are everywhere in Germany since 5-6 years. The are used in stores for price labels
@mrmaximuser Жыл бұрын
I never saw them used as price labels in germany
@AuspiciousLynx Жыл бұрын
@@mrmaximuser sometimes are they hard to recognise. Of course are there some store that aren’t using them but I see e-ink more often then paper now
@medes5597 4 ай бұрын
There's an EU subsidy for the cost of changing to e-ink displays on store shelving. A lot of UK stores complained they didn't get it after we had a collective meltdown and brexit happened.
@FezTheSpaceBiker Жыл бұрын
Always kinda wanted to see Game Boy emulation on E-Paper tbh
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
That's something I would also like to see. One day I will give it a go. Thanks for the suggestion.
@Radi0he4d1 Жыл бұрын
completely forgot that yota phone was a thing, thanks for the reminder
@kbhasi 4 жыл бұрын
1:05 Most of those are based off displays intended for use in store price tags, hence the low resolution and slow refresh rates, but some time in 2019, Waveshare introduced kits based on real e-reader and paper tablet displays, albeit just the display and a controller board, without the touch, pen digitiser, and front lighting.
@RandomStuff2332real Жыл бұрын
What's up bro! Same pfp here!
@ristopoho824 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy the perfect gameboy screenmod? It's part of the experience to need a flashlight to see the screen, but it being clearer would be a dang fine upgrade. And the update time is less of a problem since the original screen has it even worse.
@deltara2106 Жыл бұрын
I'd rather just have an LCD personally. Still would be neat to see though.
@RonLaws Жыл бұрын
e-ink gets so much undue hate, I think as a technology it's gotten better over the years, but also think that fact kind of misses the point; e-ink displays can do what no other display can - display information on a zero power budget, and display active information of a very low power budget.
@psutherla Жыл бұрын
Pebble smartwatches were beautiful pieces of machinery - my first one was a Kickstarter edition of the Pebble Classic. I ended up purchasing several of their watches... the Time, Time Round, and Pebble 2 HR. Truly the pinnacle of smartwatch development IMO. It was a dark day in wearable history when they announced their acquisition by Fitbit.
@ddnava96 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, specially because they never released the Pebble 2 to the public. I missed the backing window for the Pebble 2 and was waiting for it to be released to the public but them they were acquired by FitBit and announced that they would fulfill the shipment for those who backed the project and never release it I loved my og Pebble until the screen died
@Xiefux Жыл бұрын
when i worked at a grocery store they used e paper displays for some price labels. just put it in the computer to program it and then it doesn't need any batteries or anything to keep the picture.
@rubiks_20 Жыл бұрын
IF THERE'S A SCREEN, THE LORAX WILL BE SEEN
@gauravarora2197 3 жыл бұрын
Can we run ubuntu on these? Or any linux version just wondering if you already have a tutorial link with a compatible ROM
@myacidninjatheamazing1025 Жыл бұрын
I KNEW it was android 2.2 as soon as i saw the launcher screen as I spent many of the years from age 5-13 using that version of android on devices from an old tablet i had that ran for about 5 of those years to a phone I had that had water damage and we still got to work for a while that i used to use to watch youtube before they stopped google services on older android versions ahh the memories of watching minecraft lets plays and many other things
@randt0l123 7 ай бұрын
i highly suggest building an epaper device utilizing an intel upboard kit. building a box for it. you could then run a current android os or anything if you wanted plus you could do the same thing as the yotaphone but wayy cooler
@JanusCycle 7 ай бұрын
I've been thinking for a long time about getting one of those 7-color e-paper displays from Waveshare and doing something like this.
@randt0l123 7 ай бұрын
i look forward to seeing that in the future. i intend to make something like that myself as well someday. i always wanted a cutting edge pocket device that resembles the old-school planning devices with a neo retro feel. i wish i could make a wallet case like the palm for it built around the same purpose but with a full on computer IT repair tech\functional presentational usage@@JanusCycle
@loganjoy-koer5936 Жыл бұрын
Time to run DOOM on E-Ink
@COASTER1921 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe the Pebble didn't catch on more. It was the most usable smart watch and the lack of frequent charging was really a game-changer. There's no reason to have all the hardware modern smart watches have with the same disadvantages as the phones they try to supplement, what's the point when it's not an always on display that is too dim to read in sunlight?
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
I would love a colour e-paper smartwatch.
@ddnava96 Жыл бұрын
Honorary mention to the Martian Notifier smartwatch. It was a regular analog watch with an LED and a strip at the bottom that would show you notifications and could also be used as a remote trigger for your phone camera. Basically the two features I used the most on my og Pebble
@ahmedkazi362 3 жыл бұрын
I have used many eink screens from which I realised there's a big difference in the eink qualify too...Kindle models use cheap eink displays,yotaphone uses premiums quality eink,could you make a video on how ereaders can be used as monitor without refresh rate issues...this would make sense compared to most requests..thank you!:)
@medes5597 4 ай бұрын
Depends on the Kindle. The Kindle Oasis e-ink screen is the most expensive component. Generally though you're right.
@ArifKamaruzaman Жыл бұрын
What if you turn off the animation? Does it improve the screen since there's less gradual screen update.
@GoodFuude Жыл бұрын
wow that phone with the lcd and epaper display as well...
@bhello1478 3 жыл бұрын
If you figure out a way to attach a sim card to it will it call and use its data
@heatedpoolandbar Жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@rohudatta Жыл бұрын
what model is the sony e-book reader?
@namesurname4666 Жыл бұрын
where i find the music?
@ish_vids 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please test if apps like Webtoons and Tachiyomi work on either of the e-readers or if you can get anywhere near to android 9/10?
@JanusCycle 3 жыл бұрын
It's not possible to update these devices to later Android versions. They are very under-powered. Except the Yota Phone which can be updated to Android 6.0. You could have a look at Onyx Boox, newer models run Android 9. Even better are be the colour e-paper models starting to appear.
@ish_vids 3 жыл бұрын
@@JanusCycle I see, thanks for the reply, at the moment I'm not looking to spend a huge amount of money, and instead I would rather use something around the £100 price point with the ability to use Tachiyomi for manga.
@nickiminajwannabe Жыл бұрын
@@JanusCycle Well there's android 13 on the Galaxy S3 so I think it's just up to the coders
@SOTP. Жыл бұрын
you just added a new launcher right?
@wheresvr6 Жыл бұрын
T1 sometimes randomly bricks itself after installing android even if everything looked good initially. It just won't boot one day and recovery process is tidious, requiring direct chip flashing. I still have one laying around somewhere bricked
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn't know this, thanks.
@Connie_TinuityError 4 жыл бұрын
If you don't mind asking, but will you make a video about the Xperia Arc S?
@JanusCycle 4 жыл бұрын
I believe I do have an Xperia Arc S, aka LT18i somewhere in storage. What do you like about that model?
@Connie_TinuityError 4 жыл бұрын
Janus Cycle Remember how in one of your previous videos I asked if the last Ericsson phone was the Xperia Arc S and you told me it was the last Sony Ericsson?
@JanusCycle 4 жыл бұрын
@@Connie_TinuityError I do remember, and after the Xperia Arc S, the Xperia Z was the first Sony only Android phone. The Xperia Z remains one of my favorites as well.
@Connie_TinuityError 4 жыл бұрын
Janus Cycle I think you mean Xperia S? The Xperia Z came out in 2013 I think
@JanusCycle 4 жыл бұрын
@@Connie_TinuityError Yes, you are correct. The Xperia S with the light bar was the first Sony Android. Unfortunately I don't have one of those. I really want one to see that light bar again.
@Mizai 8 ай бұрын
this is great
@JanusCycle 8 ай бұрын
thank you
@alexderpyracc4053 Жыл бұрын
Yotaphone 😮
@alejandroalzatesanchez Жыл бұрын
but it can run doom?
@DMessham Жыл бұрын
I have a prs-t1 that ive modded and used to play bad apple
@WaschyNumber1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice 🖖👍
@kbhasi 4 жыл бұрын
9:04 Ah yes, back before it became a bloated piece of junk.
@H3wastooshort Жыл бұрын
If i remember correctly, for a while it also ran a server over wich you could access all files phone completely unauthorized
@2Draw 9 ай бұрын
Hello, could you please explain how Android 2.1 is quote unquote "not too bad"? That version is basically unusable nowadays.
@JanusCycle 9 ай бұрын
I certainly agree with you compared to today. But relative to an ebook reader from 2011 that is limited to just read ebooks, instead having the ability to run thousands of potential Android 2 apps, bringing new possibilities to a closed system, it's definitely 'not too bad' :)
@2Draw 9 ай бұрын
@@JanusCycle I guess, but there are definitely very few apps that even support such an old version of Android, even fewer that are easy to find and even fewer that works well on an e-paper screen.
@JanusCycle 9 ай бұрын
Everything is old and less from the perspective the latest and greatest new tech. Nothing wrong with appreciating the new. But there is something about taking old tech and expanding it beyond it's original limitations. This is the perspective that I'm sharing, and why Android 2.1 is awesome on a previously limited ebook only device. Janus is a mythological figure who can see both the past and the future. From viewing these two perspectives, we can better understand and celebrate change. In ten years your current phone will be old worthless junk, but it will still be beautiful :)
@CanadianBakin42O Жыл бұрын
Nowadays those e-paper displays are being used to display the price on grocery stores
@garrettturner7383 Жыл бұрын
tried modding my nook in 2023, met with no download files for 1337 mod, and nook wont connect to internet :(
@TheRealLF2 Жыл бұрын
E paper devices are devices that are colorblind and go very slow and does a flash but in black. prove me wrong
@Jensen871 3 ай бұрын
Could you do something similar to a Kindle e reader?
@JanusCycle 3 ай бұрын
I have heard about running Linux on Kindle. Maybe I can try one day.
@Jensen871 3 ай бұрын
@@JanusCycle That would be super interesting. I have an old one that I don't really use. Would be cool to do something with it.
@SW73_ Жыл бұрын
One in-store nook e reader at Barnes and nobles had a APK install message for the Nook app, and it looked like Android 4.
@EisMann61 Жыл бұрын
can it run doom?
@c0dered111 Жыл бұрын
does it run doom
@siyaram2855 Жыл бұрын
Can I put a eink screen on an android phone? Waiting fornyour reply.
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
Even better you can buy an Android phone with an eink display, such as from Hisense. They even make a colour eink model, the Hisense A7 CC. The colours are not bright like on a regular screen, but they are so easy on the eyes.
@CatsRobloxOther2nd Жыл бұрын
What about kindles?
@MSTendo64 Жыл бұрын
YotaPhone is you?
@audacityhour3104 11 ай бұрын
Super weird ... literally just found my 2 sonys after not touching them for 362 days
@Maks7594 Жыл бұрын
how to access secret button on noki 1. hold up right buton 2. press this spot
@Galaxy.Windows 4 ай бұрын
funny that i watch that channel
@SOTP. Жыл бұрын
Wonder how would a computer look with an e-ink display...
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
I remember Technology Connections made a video about doing this, his second channel I think.
@SOTP. Жыл бұрын
@@JanusCycle nice
@mal0gen Жыл бұрын
There are e-ink monitors!
@give_me_my_nick_back Жыл бұрын
yes that's what I need!! It's a waste to have no android in ebook reader because all the reading apps are only for android xD Well there is that Huawei but damn.. it is just prohibitively expensive!! Too bad android below 6.0 is completely useless, it won't run anything at all, 6 at least or ideally 8 would run pretty much all the apps you might want on a reader.
@mal0gen Жыл бұрын
I'm able to use 4.4 with a few small exceptions nowadays!
@youssifmarkos_King Жыл бұрын
Hiiiiiiii😂 2:22
@izz5305 Жыл бұрын
Can you convert from ios on iphone to android
@SOTP. Жыл бұрын
You can but only on the iphone 2g, 3g or 3gs. After that apple started using their own cpu which prevents u from doing that. For higher ios versions tho, samsung released a "demo" launcher on ios u can explore either for fun or to show to friends.
@jan_harald Жыл бұрын
tbh, I would say android 2.1 IS too bad, 2.3.3 is basically the lowest android version that's even remotely useful, imho, although you REALLY want android 4.3 or higher if you're gonna run anything made in the last 5 years or so (android 6 is kind of the lowest of the low end that is currently supported by a noticeable amount of apps, although you would certainly want something like 7 or 8 instead, if possible)
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
I have come to very similar conclusions exploring older Android versions. Especially with Android 2.3.4 on a device that I'm exploring at the moment.
@eletronictoenails Жыл бұрын
Run the Resident Evil 4 mobile port on it
@TheBriefersZone Жыл бұрын
Someone have to install Windows in one of this things
@i3_i9 Жыл бұрын
Board smashing android phone
@scellyyt Жыл бұрын
bored
@aw_yeah567 Жыл бұрын
a Kindle has a e-paper
@kubkubs3234 Жыл бұрын
Bro did the worst crime of all times
@vuvinh2032 Жыл бұрын
11:25: can it play among us?
@dennisbek9090 2 жыл бұрын
It eats a lot of energy, why would you need that
@JanusCycle 2 жыл бұрын
not sure which device's energy use you mean?
@Muzi4Genius Жыл бұрын
Ooof😂 android 2.1.
@Cyberfishofant Жыл бұрын
Btw Tolinos running 14 or 15 are basucally pre-modded
@Speed522 Жыл бұрын
Run doom
@imtiwathethailandnekogirl4996 Жыл бұрын
Android 4.4
@enderbo Жыл бұрын
Why are you modding a e-paper nook when you could by a nook in COLOR and that comes with android out of the box.
@JanusCycle Жыл бұрын
It can be fun to get things to do what they are not supposed to do :) But don't worry, I will have colour e-paper Android one day.
@DigorFox Жыл бұрын
Музыка в начале...
@serafimhacker Жыл бұрын
5:10 NOOK TABLET ?
@mh7488 Жыл бұрын
Install Minecraft on this😂
@CzechHek Жыл бұрын
I own Onyx Boox Nova Air and tried playing Minecraft and Asphalt 9 on it. To my surprise, it was pretty playable.
@Likeandshare371 Жыл бұрын
upgrade to android 13
@commedoor Жыл бұрын
Nugfers
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