Jarno Opmeer EXPOSE Thomas Ronhaar after PSGL race || CHEATING drama (check description for details)

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Жыл бұрын

Watch the new updated video • Are F1 e-sport drivers...
Jarno Opmeer 2x F1 E-Sport WORLD CHAMPION rages after losing the race to Thomas Ronhaar, which has been accused of CHEATING in the last weeks
and with the PSGL Round in Catalunya Thomas Ronhaar has brought upon itself a lot of attention. Jarno Opmeer himself couldn't manage to stay quiet about the situation.
if you want the full story i suggest you to check out TRL LIMITLESS recent video about this situation: • Is Thomas Ronhaar chea...
that video covers the actual allegations

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@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

Check out the new update video on the situation kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKtjna92zN-reac.html

@isabellam1936 Жыл бұрын

In 2023 how is it possible to run a cheat and not be detected? The game corporation owners themselves should be held responsible for the cheaters actions by not having air tight cheat detection. The dude accidentally just opened his chest file while streaming: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJ92jLt7q6iviQ.html

@Dan3HitU Жыл бұрын

You missed the best part of the clip straight after this… someone in the chat asks about what to have in F1 23, he says “Anti-cheat would be a great start” 😂

@redbullsauberpetronas Жыл бұрын

Problem with that is it would hurt myteam mods

@renzdaniel858 Жыл бұрын

@@redbullsauberpetronas sorry for being ignorant. Still new to the esport scene. But as a game where plenty of money goes into, is it that difficult to setup a system in place where that would be possible? I mean even go as far as make a version of the game modified intended for esports and another for the modding community?

@redbullsauberpetronas Жыл бұрын

@@renzdaniel858 all I know is that most anti cheat would end the possibility of cheat engine myteam mods.

@iAmCracky Жыл бұрын

@@redbullsauberpetronas Plenty of games allow for a way to mod single player without hurting multi player by allowing mods to be executed within the single player context. That is a solved problem.

@redbullsauberpetronas Жыл бұрын

@@iAmCracky Codie's and EA are lazy though

@thijsvons2510 Жыл бұрын

The one sentence from Jarno is: 'For how much longer'. And from the engineer: 'Let's talk tomorrow when you're at Brackley'

@martinronningyt Жыл бұрын

And he said "Another tweet from Dan Hawkins" who is the F1 Esports coordinator at Codemasters.

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

@@martinronningyt thank you, that's much more clear now

@ALLRNDCRICKETER Жыл бұрын

@@martinronningyt Hawkins is a flog anyways, nothing's changed since he was running the F1 leagues

@woutervdb21 Жыл бұрын

1:52 “jarno, just hold it” and 1:55 “yeah yeah, i’ve hold it in for the last half a year, so has the rest of the grid”

@BadWallaby Жыл бұрын

Until these events are held in a closed LAN setting this will continue to be a problem

@Jon-cw8bb Жыл бұрын

They can record the inputs like trackmania does and you can upload the inputs within the replay file. It's possible to remove the most obvious and powerful cheats

@majkrzisnik5315 Жыл бұрын

@@Jon-cw8bb The problem is that there are also cheats which give players only 0.025% more grip or something like that. Which can mean around 2 thents faster per lap. And with those small percentages is near impossible to see a difference with imputs. Thats why closed LAN is the best thing they can do to resolt this issues.

@Metahlz Жыл бұрын

@@Jon-cw8bb You can see throttle and brake inputs in the F1 games, so for what people are accusing Ronhaar of doing which is editing game files to give him a bit more extra grip leaving the apex into the exit it wouldn't matter unless he extremely fucks up and full throttles it out of a corner and doesn't oversteer at all. Closed LAN with locked PC's and game files is the easiest way to know, we are past COVID, it should have returned to that way when F1 22 began competing

@Jon-cw8bb Жыл бұрын

@@Metahlz oh that's annoying

@RSaran97 Жыл бұрын

@@Metahlz Yea it depends on how consistent the game is from race to race. Trackmania physics are 100% deterministic, meaning x input = x result. If F1 2022 is also deterministic, even a .025% difference in grip would see the car go flying off track very quickly. But, knowing it's EA behind these games now, I doubt the game even stores such inputs let alone be deterministic.

@ivandoe33 Жыл бұрын

it was jarno's absolutely best driving maybe ever, he gave everything he had, only to be beaten by cheater by a very small margin.

@samgold9 Жыл бұрын

That’s how good the 🐐 is

@zain-iqbal Жыл бұрын

It wasn't a small margin. Even with drs he was struggling most of the race to keep in touch. Ronhaar clearly was more than 3 tenths quicker a lap and the drs just makes it seem like it was close when in fact the margin was massive.

@itsredd2460 Жыл бұрын

Bro imagine cheating and still not being able to break a second gap to jarno, the man is the fucking goat

@Nut-ei6iw Жыл бұрын

@@zain-iqbal It was less than a second gap to the finish line, you don't need to do mental gymnastics

@zain-iqbal Жыл бұрын

@@Nut-ei6iw nothing to do with mental gymnastics. The simple truth is that if drs didn’t exist, jarno would’ve finished at least 3 secs off him. Look how quickly 3rd place and down fell away from them when they lost drs. The only reason he was less than a second behind was because drs was keeping him there. I don’t get how u don’t understand that.

@golpederemo7514 Жыл бұрын

And now we understand Rasmussen in the Mexican GP... and the hard racing by both Jarno and Bari at the Belgian GP.

@fjnemo Жыл бұрын

It's all starting to make sense coz I have watching esports since 2018 and Rasmussen is not the type of guy to do what he did without a valid reason which we now know was frustration at a cheat

@alessandromanenti8816 Жыл бұрын

@@fjnemo exactly, I think Rasmussen did that because he didn't like the idea of a cheater winning the E-sport chip

@INFEDnoX Жыл бұрын

And Daniele Haadad deliberately giving Jarno slipstream in WOR to help him. Everyone knows. It's practically an open secret at this point.

@beserkuyumculuk9877 Жыл бұрын

probably f1 learns ronhaar cheating in mid event and tell the teams to shut up about it because of sake of the event but this is annoying in the drivers aspect. look how angry jarno is.

@hornetguy9063 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t be shocked if this is true. In the context of “make sure he doesn’t win”, Rasmussen’s move at Mexico makes a whole lot of sense. If they couldn’t win, at least help Blakeley win.

@williamhobbs4202 Жыл бұрын

@@hornetguy9063did u watch PSGL Belgium the other night, literally every driver was pushing him off track and Bari Bowlingball spun him lmao

@hornetguy9063 Жыл бұрын

@@williamhobbs4202 I didn’t. Yeah seems like everyone knows. If they can catch him, there’s a high likelihood that he’ll get yeeted, apparently.

@giphh Жыл бұрын

@@williamhobbs4202 Bari bowlingball 💀

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

@@williamhobbs4202 Because there all sore lossers!! Cant handle someone younger than them beating them!!

@parttimeconstruction2933 Жыл бұрын

All the top level drivers stay almost exactly the same pace. Seems weird that a rookie comes along and conveniently is fastest every q1 and then outpaces everyone else that has been on the grid for years

@syntheovaldy5173 Жыл бұрын

talent is talent

@alexlawender2543 Жыл бұрын

While missing curbs pretty consistently

@sopateiolegostuff Жыл бұрын

@@syntheovaldy5173 Its not talent, its hacks. Almost everyone has proof that hes cheating. Only poeple that dont believe this are dummies like you

@romanmckenzie5674 Жыл бұрын

@@syntheovaldy5173 he went 3 tenths fastest in q1 despite running a low downforce setup on a lap in which he missed nearly every apex in sector 3 by a decent margin each time whilst also being able to go onto 100% throttle 10 kph sooner than jarmo even with lower downforce and what makes all that better is that ronhaar deleted his q1 lap from his stream vod

@SeinSchatten Жыл бұрын

@@alexlawender2543 talent can see alternative racing lines, where plebs copy what all others do

@adrian6938 Жыл бұрын

props to jarnos engineer must be hard trying not to say the wrong thing to piss jarno off. But end of the day just shows how good jarno rlly is if he can keep with someone that maybe is cheating

@lemon9804 Жыл бұрын

Not putting jarno down, he's amazing, but if thomas is cheating Thomas would have his cheats set so they're just enough to let him win, the more he wins by the worse it looks on him.

@SuperzzDazz Жыл бұрын

Fuck the engineer guy, I hate the whole "you can't say shit because you're connected to a certain thing" the only thing that should be getting cancelled is cheaters, not the people who call it out. Or maybe because of the Williams situation AMG have to take it a bit easier now when it comes to accusations, who knows. Point is that Jarno should be able to say what he wanted to say without some milky bar kid telling him to hold it like a fart in a movie theatre

@adrian6938 Жыл бұрын

@@lemon9804 agree but I think what people care about is how much grip he gets out of every corner

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

@@lemon9804 Why because what if he actually isn't cheating has anyone thought about that? Maybe he's just faster than Jarnoo?

@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429jarno is pushing the car right on the edge and has to use drs to stay close. He drove a near perfect race to prove ronhaar is cheating. He gapped everyone by a significant margin

@juandavidramirez6173 Жыл бұрын

When only one person doubts someone he could be lying, but when the whole grid can see something is up... They aren't amateurs, they know how things work and they can see when something isn't normal

@yubakadi217 Жыл бұрын

It means the whole grid is cheating since Esport started? F1 games had never anti cheats and qualifications have always been online

@instinctmlbb757 2 ай бұрын

Mad looking back now how it was all for nothing😭 bro was soo good he was accused of cheating🤷🏼‍♂️

@kuloluko 2 ай бұрын

Jarno when he doesn't win a race: 😢😢😢

@jeffdongson1756 Жыл бұрын

They should record ronhaars inputs and tas (Tool assisted speedrun) them on a clean copy of f1.If he is legit the tas run will be the same as ronhaars run proving he isn't cheating.

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

straight from trackmania ahahah, it would be cool but idk if would actually work, trackmania is a deterministic game, f1 from what i know is not. on time trial maybe out of many simulations if output is legit and clean copy the results would be many similar runs with maybe one fully matching. even if it was possible (anyway i don't think so) the problem is that with a larger community they took years to extrapolate inputs from a 2008 game (TMNF) it would be impossible with F1 22

@adamcollingburn430 Жыл бұрын

Yep, surely there’s steering’s and throttle traces they can pull. Input them back into a clean copy and you’ll see if that level of traction is possible

@WaifuWarsRacing Жыл бұрын

@@claxxz1 Trackmania approach unfortunately wouldn't work on F1 because of the physics as you said. But there's been a lot of... questionable stuff, specially in time trial. Two I can recall seeing people mention lately are him having the TT record at Suzuka by *a few tenths* even though the setups were identical to the person in 2nd place and there were corners in which his speeds were a lot faster than usual. The other one is him being ahead of a literal grip hacker (since the way they advertise is putting themeselves on top of the leaderboards). All in all, there's a lot of reasons to think why he might or might not be cheating, but only a check on his PC or a LAN tournament would put an end to this.

@K00bb3lSt00n Жыл бұрын

@@claxxz1 even if it isn't derteministic, a couple of simulations maybe 10, 20 or 50. Wouldn't that be enough to figure out: if the line is diffirent, the speed is diffirent, the delta is diffirent. Even if we cant have a grip meter or something like that if you would analyse the diffirences. Surely you would fine that something doest add up. This is ofcourse the tracmania approche but it worked on that game why not try it out. For example if someone goes 10mph faster in a corner you would immidietly see the diffirence in exit position( that is if the exact same buttons have been pressed). Idk they should just be more on top of this especialy in psgl and f1 esporsts

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

@@K00bb3lSt00n yeah as i said in theory it's possible, out of many simulation you would notice when is legit or not, the problem is that i don't think taking inputs is that easy, it's not just like with the telemetry, i think It's way more difficult, also a tool to run external inputs should be created. In trackmania it works because the raw input are already stored into the replay file, in f1 there's no such thing, sure you have the telemetry but it wouldn't be as easy as the replay file.

@Nebula_Ultra 2 ай бұрын

Wasnt cheating. Just faster.

@lmSnarkk Жыл бұрын

If jarno thought he was outdriven, he would give congratulations. Obviously something else is going on

@zilla9676 Жыл бұрын

100%, Jarno knows when he has been beaten and outdriven fair and square in this case fair and square doesnt exist

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

Clearly not because he was outdriven Jarnoo just can't handle it!! Losing to a rookie!! Haha

@TheIndoGod Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429You look like a textbook pedophile

@aryawyk.7874 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 grow up aaron

@MuhammadNiz007 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 Mate than explain how Thomas can go to full thorttle at the last corner and no one else can? Or what about all the chats between the founder of the cheat and Thomas or what about the fact he is not responding to any questions or what about 19 drivers lodging a complain about Thomas and than finding there is literally no anti cheating system. maybe Jarno is cry baby but than how do you explain the full throttle situation which in the game physics impossible.

@kapa2909 Жыл бұрын

1:44 he says "cant wait to see another tweet from dan hawkins saying everything is fine"

@jabrur Жыл бұрын

today he stopped holding it up, he said it finally

@calluml5103 4 ай бұрын

Looking back at this now, after Ronhaar obliterated everyone in a LAN event, a lot of people, including Jarno have forever stained their reputations by calling Ronhaar a total cheat. Honestly it's pretty shameful. He's been outdriven and he's just moaned. His fans in particular have been pathetic.

@barcafan94 4 ай бұрын

If you think this is legit, I have bad news for you. He is clearly hacking, with a lower downforce setup he is carrying 10km/h minimum speed more.

@zish3655 4 ай бұрын

bruh him being better in a lan event literally 8 months later doesn't mean he wasn't cheating, cause he was

@letsssgooo4618 5 ай бұрын

Seems like sour grapes to me

@marshallpeters1437 Жыл бұрын

His engineer is incredibly smart. He knows Jarno will get a big fine if he talks about it and shits on codemasters.

@robertverwijs2879 5 ай бұрын

He was not cheating tho. And he proved it on lan

@LukeSaward 4 ай бұрын

Coincidence that he beats people on LAN yet in PSGL he shits the fucking bed.

@taipizzalord4463 4 ай бұрын

@@LukeSaward He is a bit inconsistent but, the speed is definitely there, both quali and race pace.

@justhatemebaby Жыл бұрын

Maybe codemasters are not allowing teams to talk such things? Like a reputation risk

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

More probably is the esports division of F1 itself

@zilla9676 Жыл бұрын

@@claxxz1 also affects team sponsors meaning money will go down the drain

@HeavyMetalGamingHD Жыл бұрын

@@claxxz1 and mercedes. he is still representing the actual mercedes f1 team in this league and he is employed by them. they don't want to cause major drama

@SevenTheMisgiven Жыл бұрын

Codemasters has no such power. F1 esports though, they are so highly incompetent they would solve it like this.

@GeorgeGoVroom 6 ай бұрын

This aged well ;) ronhaar wins by 6 seconds at LAN 😂😂

@claxxz1 6 ай бұрын

He put everyone in silence, a bit cocky with the celebration😂 but he has the right reasons to be so

@NotAcvp3lla 10 ай бұрын

So just because the guy beat him he's cheating? What a baby 🍼

@ploppyjr2373 10 ай бұрын

I think you have no back story here do you

@NotAcvp3lla 10 ай бұрын

@@ploppyjr2373 the guy is suspected to be cheating (without any actual proof). So now every time he has a good race he gets called out on it. That sounds about right?

@ploppyjr2373 10 ай бұрын

@@NotAcvp3lla no that doesn’t sound about right and you clearly have not been paying attention. He does things that literal robots can’t do (they tried) and whenever he’s on a LAN he loses all his pace. An entire grid of professional Esports drivers agree with eachother so i think there’s more than enough proof so far

@NotAcvp3lla 10 ай бұрын

@@ploppyjr2373 so as I said before a guy's name and reputation gets dragged through the dirt because of speculations. If there was enough proof there would have been actions taken. Not some baby whining after losing.

@ploppyjr2373 10 ай бұрын

@@NotAcvp3lla there have tho lmao. Again, you have no context

@Stewii04 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a bit weird when a rookie came in and just started challenging for race wins off the bat but just assumed those running official esports events were secure about stuff like that, clearly not. Gave him the benefit of the doubt since the game changed a lot this year but maybe that was wrong. Even more happy for Lucas knowing that he won it with grip hacks on the grid

@HeavyMetalGamingHD Жыл бұрын

he's not actually a rookie. he was the fastes guy on xbox for quite a while

@Stewii04 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD He's an F1 Esports rookie...

@1AngryPanda Жыл бұрын

History teach us that always a youngster showed up who start to outgrow the „old“ stars. But what trows a bit of a guestion mark over Ronhaars achievments, is that his laps are not quit clean, but still fast. Other drivers have also tiny mistakes in a lap but then you can see it on the stopwatch. Especially when the field is that close like in F1 Esports or PSGL.

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

What do you think about this whole story? the strangest thing to me is that drivers know something but aren't allowed to say it. what's behind? PS: At 0:52 he says "Let's talk tomorrow when you are in Brackley" and at 1:44 "Can't wait to see another tweet from Dan Hawkins" (esport coordinator)

@KuradioUchiha Жыл бұрын

ronhaar is clearly cheating

@whereta3097 Жыл бұрын

I have a feeling the management of those teams aren't allowing drivers to speak so the teams don't get in trouble for defamation. Maybe they told the drivers they'll lose their seat if they speak?

@durrrrrrrrrrrp7143 Жыл бұрын

They are waiting for the Lan tournament, because there he cant cheat. If he slow asf or doesnt wanna show up, its all done for Thomas

@dabnunes1003 Жыл бұрын

@@durrrrrrrrrrrp7143 When is that?

@definitely_not_nick41 Жыл бұрын

Probably just don’t want to make everyone or the league look bad

@Iceman-hb3uk Жыл бұрын

Well, Spa was a hell of a race and was funny AF at least, all the drivers were basically against Thomas and Bari just binned him after Jarno trolled him lmao. Also after the spin he just went on the throttle like nothing and didn't have any kind of traction loss, so that's another incriminating clip we got from Jarno's live.

@CHEF2077 Жыл бұрын

Guys so to just make you all aware of how easy it is. You can literally modify Engine power, breaking power and grip live with Cheat Engine. This game doesnt even have an anti cheat.

@unusualbydefault Жыл бұрын

I'm quite confident ronhaar is not the only one either but pshhh

@jaqenp2607 Жыл бұрын

The drivers themselves have played for years and know every single line, the grid can tell if someone is cheating or not

@EmJayDubb Жыл бұрын

0:38 sounds like he is saying "For how much longer"

@ArdaGunay39 7 ай бұрын

how the table turns...

@bio_f1 Жыл бұрын

0:52 lets talk tomorrow when you're in brackley (merc esports quaters)

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@farhanshah7439 Жыл бұрын

f1 team too

@aldinturkes4704 Жыл бұрын

Brackley are headquarters of Mercedes

@kronzomg Жыл бұрын

The irony of telling everyone what the guy said and then getting the name completely wrong

@maskedgamer7565 Жыл бұрын

Him being able to beat the best drivers in the game while missing all the apexes, all the drivers saying he's cheating and then he deletes his Q1 lap says enough imo. I think all the drivers who think he's cheating should just not drive for one or two races to show something needs to be done. There is money on the line and for alot of people this is their job.

@catfaceCS 2 ай бұрын

Just salty

@bernardoberner4 Жыл бұрын

TRL Limitless did an awesome 30min video breaking down every single detail that proves Ronhaar is a cheater(although for obvious reasons he doesn't directly accuse him of cheating)

@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын

@Sleepy 🐉 king of cheating

@yubakadi217 7 ай бұрын

Where is nerdmeer today after the esport race in lan? XD

@TheDailySnail 2 ай бұрын

still can cheat when fast

@AverageArtz Ай бұрын

I love watching these old clips were Jarno and his lapdogs are crying like little kids about Ronhaar so called 'cheating'. This year during the World Championship Ronhaar proved he's better than Jarno in almost every race. But this is the thing about Jarno and his fanboys, he beat the field for two years, and then someone better comes along. So instead of admitting that he's no longer the best on the grid, he automatically goes to 'cheating'. It's pathetic.

@MetalMachine131 Жыл бұрын

Simply because F1 E Sports is so big you can basically guarantee that there are cheaters. Just like every other competetive game like Minecraft speedrunning, Trackmania, CSGO,... It was sadly just a matter of time before someone in F1 was found.

@raruue6198 Жыл бұрын

Mate you can tell Jarno is on the absolute limit great sim driver in general anything he touches and has the time to practise with he can reach different levels

@HeavyMetalGamingHD Жыл бұрын

he is very close to crying or a outburst. that's why he is so quiet.

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD Haha he was beaten fair and square

@spiriitz8646 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429nd your mum was fcked by 5 black dudes fair nd square

@amilcarsafeca7629 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 By whom?

@yubakadi217 Жыл бұрын

@@amilcarsafeca7629by 4 drivers in Esports on F1 22?

@InsaneElmosGaming Жыл бұрын

I love how his engineer has the tone of someone on the F1 pit wall

@emiraces Жыл бұрын

I think he said "let's talk tomorrow when you're in Brackley" at 0:50

@jb.racing Жыл бұрын

I don't know how the technology is today but playing in streaming should solve the problem?

@WineHouse33 Жыл бұрын

All my favorite racing videos I have watched, have become suspect, now that the grip cheat hacks have been exposed...

@lukedanielgalon1596 Жыл бұрын

That is absolutely weird HAAS and williams has cheating problems

@andrecarrato6359 Жыл бұрын

Jarno's só freaking skilful that even w/o cheating he can keep a cheater's pace. Hats off for Jarno 👏👏👏

@HeavyMetalGamingHD Жыл бұрын

but that's also the magic of DRS

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

😂

@yubakadi217 Жыл бұрын

So skilful that he finished p5 in esports on F1 22

@r-var7451 10 ай бұрын

@@yubakadi217you can do better? Shush kid

@Jalreal Жыл бұрын

Aren't allowed to say it because of legal ramifications ... Lawyers smh

@mursuka80 Жыл бұрын

Who has silenced these guys that they are afraid to say anything about blatant cheating.

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

Defamation cases did

@isabellam1936 Жыл бұрын

In 2023 how is it possible to run a cheat and not be detected? The game corporation owners themselves should be held responsible for the cheaters actions by not having air tight cheat detection.

@Harry-cl8xv Жыл бұрын

Looks as if the drivers can easily tell he’s cheating, but the stewards of esports can’t.

@entreguesaosbichos Жыл бұрын

The stewards know but they can't admit that anyone can cheat otherwise the credibility is gone.. There's money involved. If they admited that guy was cheating, who else has been cheating and how can we know that people who have won in the past did it fair and square?!! They can't admit it's possible to cheat while playing tournaments otherwise they might as well pack their things and go home because it will be over. Not to mention the amiunt of lawsuits they would be subjected to if they admited there have been people cheating...

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

Its easy for a driver to say, but a tough decision for an official to make. They have nothing valid to base the cheating allegations on, and if they would ban him from esports they would probably face court in which they will have little evidence to defend themselves

@dco1019 Жыл бұрын

@@RealPyro88 dont the officials from the game have the telemetry? if theres (from what I gather) some sort of software traction control controlling every oversteer moment with a consistent input it should be easy to spot no?

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

@@dco1019 No cause we are talking about like 0.025% increase on an already fast driver, which is really hard to spot and confidently say hes cheating with 100% justifiable evidence. Yet this micro increase makes for a tenth faster laptimes

@dco1019 Жыл бұрын

@@RealPyro88 yeah, thats a phenomena in most things that are susceptible to cheating. if the suspect is good already the clues and evidence can be subtle and thin... Though, a traction control 'program'/hack is on top of wheelspin, loss of grip with superhuman reaction time or at least a consistency that could show a suspicious pattern. That wouldn't constitute irrefutable evidence ofc but there's never that in cases like this.

@wolfe1970 Жыл бұрын

Wonder what the outcome of the 'lets talk tomorrow' was

@Bottna Жыл бұрын

They should do what fighting tournaments have done for years. Use organizers stations at an events. Do not allow competitors use own softwares, only accessories like chair, pedals and steering wheel.

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

Its difficult because with your own pedals, wheels and software you build muscle memory. Alot of the drivers on this grid would be a lot slower when going from a loadcell pedal to a non loadcell pedal, or a different kg one. The same goes with the nm of the wheel and the way the force is applied (some drivers use simucube osw, some use fanatec still). This measure would solve cheating probably if it is done at LAN, but it could have consequences for the entire esports grid.

@egj1975 Жыл бұрын

I dont understand. Why is this a "lets not talk about it" thing. There is NO WAY that Ronhaar is that much better than the rest is all qualy's and all races on all tracks. He is doing something and nobody is doing anything about it. It makes no sense not to demand that he shows his cards and than we will know if he is that good or he is cheating. But keeping it silent is just stupid... for all parts of this. People like Jarno is putting 100% of his life into this to be beaten by a person that seems to be cheating and that is not fair to him or his fans.

@willknight7631 Жыл бұрын

He said ‘let’s talk tomorrow when you’re in Brackley’

@FireBlaze1901 Жыл бұрын

0:51 I think he said "Lets talk tomorrow when you're at Brackley"

@addzee9865 Жыл бұрын

I think the F1 community should wait until LAN comes around. I don’t follow F1 esports but to always know if someone is cheating we need to put them on stage and then we will see for sure.

@Disturbedmelloow Жыл бұрын

I was in a riftblondie stream 3 days ago and ronhaar joined lol.

@elpoderosaso Жыл бұрын

It seems to me that the driver in question use a (no tire grip lost/perfect grip) cheat to gain grip when your tires are all gone. This is nothing new, f1 games can be hacked very easily to enable this feature on the fly with a hot key. So basically you can activate the cheat into a corner and turn it off on the straight.

@TomMY-dA-K1nG Жыл бұрын

How is it that, in real life, f1 teams constantly accuse each other of cheating and now its online and all of a sudden they can’t say a thing???

@SevenTheMisgiven Жыл бұрын

Dunno. This is the end of F1 esports to be honest. Probably something along those lines.

@MrTomWaffles Жыл бұрын

Its crazy how F1 esports isnt on LAN or at least they arent forced to use the same standard equipment thats sent out and setup by the F1 esports league

@DimitriMoreira Жыл бұрын

They aren't forced.... Yet.

@AnIdiotAboard_ Жыл бұрын

The first one you (missed) Lets talk tommorow back at brackley

@DanishAli-zp1ou Жыл бұрын

Why can they not have some feature in the game which tells if the game has ever been altered with? Maybe check the codes of games before all gamers start the game (using some computer program)?

@slimlacy2 Жыл бұрын

Money - costs money to make safety features, and while Codemasters aren't innocent in quick releases, now that they're owned by EA, there's little hope they'd do something for F22 other than say "see ya next year suckers! MAYBE we'll implement shit in 23!"

@moodmusicytc Жыл бұрын

Bro is agitated af and rightfully so

@CRGT799 6 ай бұрын

This happens in Real racing too, Golden Child Opmeer trying to destroy someone's career because he got beat. Shame on him!!!! Opmeer got a bully beat down on LAN! Opmeer should get a one year bully ban for trying to destroy the careers of others.

@atomaticom1821 Жыл бұрын

Damn just look at Jarno‘s face. He looks like he’s about to murder someone. I can’t blame him. 😂

@KNDCHV Жыл бұрын

I can't jump into conclusions but after I watched Limitless' video he said that Ronhaar deleted every evidence of his qualifying laps. If he is innocent why is he hiding? It's really suspicious.

@Idylhours Жыл бұрын

It's like when limitless deleted his Twitter after trying to groom a 14 year old. What are you hiding if you are innocent.

@W0lf_91 Жыл бұрын

@@Idylhours Ew did he? Not into his stuff at all to be honest always looked and sounded like a complete creep.

@Idylhours Жыл бұрын

@walford117 google trl_limitless. There are many posts and screenshots. He should be in jail.

@glavid0211 Жыл бұрын

Ronhaar wasnt hitiing all apexes.

@tomtigouf9218 Жыл бұрын

This haas guy is using the 2019 Ferrari engine

@Lowdo1549 Жыл бұрын

If everybody knows what is going on why can’t they stop it? Is it because it’s actually difficult to prove?

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

Because the people with enough authority to prove things (esport drivers) are not allowed to. If some normal person tries to prove that is impossible to get so early on 100% he wouldn't be believed as "not skilled enough to keep the car" Only esport drivers or people really close could provide actual proof

@Haltzo 10 ай бұрын

The full sentence about talking = "Lets talk tommorow when you're at Brackley(City where Mercedes F1 center is)

@Ele-le9jy Жыл бұрын

What happened after the race with ronhaar?

@K543 10 ай бұрын

Is Bari cheating as well then? No DRS like Ronhaar and the gap didn't change.

@EauRouge Жыл бұрын

Everyone is aparently fed up ith Cheathaar.

@jonathanjimenez495 Жыл бұрын

Haas needs to drop him at this point if this keeps going

@Zoonsky Жыл бұрын

0:39 he says "yeah, for how much longer?"

@NeverNotHoopin Жыл бұрын

I´m not sure if the PSGL has the budget for my idea on how to 99% control online cheating, but I am 100% sure F1 E-Sports Teams have that budget. So let me explain it to you: Every driver gets an remote controlled PC on same specs, with no ON button, pre installed game and also the communication software the driver is using to communicate with his team during the race. Future updates could be done via remote control. They also get a new rig. The monitors, seat and headset is free to choose by the driver. Wheel, base, pedals are standardized (all same). The controls are directly connected with the pc and locked so that they can´t be disconnected without damaging the pc. So now the F1 E-Sports directive only has an access to the pc and can check the whole on/off log, if any other device tried to connect with the pc, if anything shady is going on with the pc. Controls can´t be manipulated and every testing session has to be video recorded with the view on the whole rig. Training times are all at the same time and they also have to be video recorded. If you can´t trust them, then you got to control them! Do you guys think this would help to keep the field even?

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

yeah or just more simply bring back LAN events

@maximilianmitroi8545 Жыл бұрын

You do not understand how computers work, do you... TIP: you can start PCs without an ON button. Also, you can open it up, remove the hard drive, modify whatever files you want and put the hard drive back, even if you couldn't start the PC. There is no way to protect a piece of machinery that is at my house. If someone programmed it, i can reprogram it...

@NeverNotHoopin Жыл бұрын

@@maximilianmitroi8545 I know how PCs work, I built a couple my self but I also know how you can make "boxes" accessable only by damaging it. And there are tons of ways for doing that. It's my everyday job to produce boxes you hardly can break in even by damaging them. Read my comment above again, carefully.

@Mikeknowsbike Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up until now, you've been able to modify grip with cheat engine for years and years. Also it's very simple anyone can do it its no.t like there's 1000 steps you need to do to cheat.

@hersencell6880 Жыл бұрын

Rohaar used to race in a acc xbox league I co-own, when he raced with us it was under the name SRA. He wasn’t fast, I kept up with him while I was just starting out in simracing. So about 2:25’s at Spa. So I really had my question marks when he suddenly became F1 esports champion.

@SiiiiUuUuUuuuuUuuuU9999 Жыл бұрын

1. hes not f1 esports champ 2. acc isnt his main game, spends more time on f1 so of course he wont be as fast 3. if u just started out simracing and created a league, why would someone of his caliber join an amateur league. not throwing shade at ur league but it just doesnt add up

@HeavyMetalGamingHD Жыл бұрын

blakeley is the champion and I am pretty sure, that blakeley is a genuine guy and not cheating. also jarno and him seem to get along very well. Also ACC is very very different to the f1 game and to racing f1 cars in general. you need a very different aproach to be fast in a gt3 car compared to a f1 car

@netgamersk Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD i was starting on f1 too and then moved to ACC. While your statement is true there are many transferable skills which can be transferred from F1 to ACC. Even when I was at that time totally noob in ACC I could achieve 2:21s and soon 20s (within a day) on SPA. If noob like me can do this I would imagine someone of his caliber be way faster initially and also learn faster. Just my two cents

@sankaplays3098 Жыл бұрын

@@SiiiiUuUuUuuuuUuuuU9999 No thats ludicrous, if you take a real F1 driver and you put them in a GT car or something similar they will be FAST. You can't sit here and say that having skills in what is argueably the most difficult form of racing, F1 - and then say it doesn't translate to other series of driving... just goes to show you don't know anything at all.

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

@@sankaplays3098 You are talking about F1 22 like it is an actual sim and comparing real drivers to esport drivers. The physics in both games are wildly different and being good in F1 on F1 22 does not mean you are also a god on acc. I have known plenty of people who were top 500 on the leaderboards and were mediocre at acc.

@porthmeor1 10 ай бұрын

Just sour grapes...bad loser.

@Julian00_6 7 ай бұрын

2 times wc you fool

@Fester_ Жыл бұрын

Playing snooker and your opponent lifts and places the black over a corner while you are watching. Ref says nothing.

@kulson9848 Жыл бұрын

Rasmussen move in Mexico makes more sense now. They didn't want him to win.

@rolux4853 Жыл бұрын

How can this be accepted! If they don’t do something every major internet outlet should atleast question Ronhaar about the allegations and put the damn pressure up! He has to be sweating in his damn cheating seat! This POS is ruining online events for everyone so basically he’s destroying the whole scene with all the money that’s in it! The Racing teams should’ve kicked him from the start, the damage is already done and may be irreparable! This will kill Sim racing completely and they loose all the money in it, just because they hushed in front of that lying cheater! He needs to be stripped of all his wins and should be sued by all th companies to pay a huge restitution fee for the damage he has done to this industry! It’s multiple million dollars that will be lost from sponsors and investors, not to think about the careers he is destroying because he’s destroying a complete league! He should pay every single million back and restitution to the other drivers! He choose to do this on free will and he could’ve stopped at any time! But he choose not to, so he has to face the full consequences! And that dumb codemasters guy should be taken from his job and should never work again in this field, he is making everything worse!

@bernardoberner4 Жыл бұрын

That's the most upset I've seen Jarno, ever, he also seems to be such a chilled guy. Ronhaar now has to prove he's not a cheater, which I doubt he can do, he has the whole F1 esports grid accusing him of cheating and there's so much evidence stacked against him

@Atlas.Brooklyn Жыл бұрын

No Ronhaar doesn't have to prove he's not cheating, we the suspicious have to prove he is. He is still innocent until proven guilty, not assumed guilty til he proves his innocence. Edit: and before anyone says anything, I do think he cheats. I also recognize the undeniable right to innocence until proven guilty.

@bernardoberner4 Жыл бұрын

@@Atlas.Brooklyn Limitless already proved in his video, that's more than enough evidence for me

@leemartin3429 Жыл бұрын

@@bernardoberner4 So of there is proof why hasn't something been done? Because its not true!! Jarno followers just can't hack it that Ronhaar is the better driver!!

@bernardoberner4 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 Bruh, your brain is so small, lmao, your question is so stupid aswell

@bernardoberner4 Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 and I bet you didn't even watch Limitless' video to begin with. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE EVIDENCE YOU STUPID LITTLE MAN. I'd like to know too, how many championships has Ronhaar won? If he is so "good" why wasn't he in F1 esports before? Why did he magically go from racing in xbox leagues to being faster than all other esports drivers?

@theprojectchannel5045 Жыл бұрын

Problem with the codemasters game is it’s not the same for every player I’m not saying he isn’t cheating I’m not saying he is but the f1 game is so unpredictable with things it might just seem like he is but I’m not defending anyone

@nicolasoliveira5574 11 ай бұрын

Jarno can't stand to know that there is someone better than him

@INFEDnoX 10 ай бұрын

I'm not the biggest Jarno fan or anything but how do you explain the other drivers, then? Rasmussen deliberately crashed into him, Benham deliberately crashed into him, Longuet deliberately cut the course to try and keep up with him to prove a point. It's clear they all have an issue with him, not just Jarno.

@nicolasoliveira5574 10 ай бұрын

@@INFEDnoX 👍

@ploppyjr2373 10 ай бұрын

@@nicolasoliveira5574and the fact that he takes, lines, uses gears and everything that’s physically impossible.

@AJzilllaPro 5 ай бұрын

@@ploppyjr2373Ronhaar is on another level as proven.Try not to assume things you don’t know about .

@ploppyjr2373 5 ай бұрын

@@AJzilllaPro i was wrong, but why do you think i don’t know what I’m talking about? Or is the entire esports grid clueless about the game they’re the best at?

@darius75240 Жыл бұрын

Why not team up with other people on the grid and take him out of every race. If he is cheating and the ptb know and won’t do anything, time to take things into your own hands and start going for gaps that aren’t there.

@Liluziburt69 Жыл бұрын

I mean rasmussen pre much did that in mexico😂

@zacharysmith566 Жыл бұрын

When Jarno says the words, Ronhaar will be under investigation, why can’t he just say it

@Crysics Жыл бұрын

he will get a huge fine and i think its for the reputation of the event

@Yucardtt 11 ай бұрын

Just want to know why he had to hold it

@megaplexXxHD 2 ай бұрын

i dont understand what was going on. can someone explain as im really new to f1 games?

@GuardsmanHenrik Жыл бұрын

Jesus, can that engineer get a couple of cm away from his mic?

@trufflepudding4704 Жыл бұрын

It impossible to have so much grip on exit i tried and 100% of the time you spin out

@mrmidnight32 Жыл бұрын

Someone want to explain to me the “cheating” shown? I didn’t see anything.

@ApsyrysClips Жыл бұрын

from what I've heard, the cheating software let's you add percentage of grip which means a good driver can make it seem like nothing is happening by adding a very small percentage of grip, just to get the edge on the other drivers.

@robbienl8176 Жыл бұрын

Maybe hè drivers with pad

@GPitstra37 Жыл бұрын

@@robbienl8176 no he does not no one does in esports

@claxxz1 Жыл бұрын

in the description i linked a video from limitless, he does an investigation with some piece of evidence. Ronhaar is not 100% cheating, nobody is guilty until an actual definitive proof. regardless of this he needs to be massively investigated even harder. in the next days i'd like to try myself to compare some telemetry. obviusly i'm irrelevant and i have no power to find actual proof. these big leagues and important people should be the ones investigating him and I think that's what Jarno is trying to make happen with these talks

@SSRBigBruiser02 Ай бұрын

What proof do any of you have that there is cheating going on???

@laxativeerosion4518 Жыл бұрын

Can someone explain to me how can you cheat in a racing game? I know in track mania you can use a bot tool to technically do the driving for you to get the beat line and time is it the same way?

@sankaplays3098 Жыл бұрын

No, its like a GTA trainer where you can make yourself fly etc essentially, but this one changes the physics for your car - so it changes certain values that makes his car go slightly faster, have different traction "rules" opposed to what they are set to by the game. Essentially its speed hacking in simple terms.

@uz8587 Жыл бұрын

He changes up the car values slightly so it doesn't look suspicious at all , but still gives him massive advantage like more grip, downforce etc

@BASHERSKINZ Жыл бұрын

No one knows for sure whether he is cheating, he might have just discovered an exploit with the game that no one else has. In this game as well as many of the sims, there are often "exploits" from running ridiculous things in either game or car set up.

@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 Жыл бұрын

U can get a tool assist to emulate his exact racing line and throttle and yet the tool will be slower even spinning out occasionally. It’s not an exploit because no one can repeat it

@BASHERSKINZ Жыл бұрын

@@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 that would require the tool assist to be using the same setup though, which obviously is my point

@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 Жыл бұрын

@@BASHERSKINZ optimal set ups for each track have been found ages ago and besides the tool is more to get a general idea not an exact copy. Enough tool runs will reveal what’s possible and what is simply unacheivavble

@BASHERSKINZ Жыл бұрын

@@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 you assume this, then look at what is happening with tyre wear for "equal performance" could have been around since the beginning without anyone noticing

@abdulmohsenalmohammedi732 Жыл бұрын

@@BASHERSKINZ I mean that’s true but a lot still doesn’t add up. He’s always faster on the straights indicating a low downforce setup yet he makes up time on everyone in the corners and on the exits. It’s just far too suspicious

@DiktaturenF1 Жыл бұрын

Detecting a cheater should be the easiest thing. If someone built an AI that could copy the exact inputs from a telemetry in a TT-session and execute them itself, they would be able to see instantly if someone is using a third-party program to get better traction. Because if the AI wouldn't be able to keep the car on track with the exact same inputs - then something is off.

@e2rqey Жыл бұрын

It's pretty clear it's an open secret and the are somehow contractually gagged from talking about cheating at all due to some agreement with EA/Codemasters.

@RealPyro88 Жыл бұрын

They dont want to get sued for defamation