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Jazz Drummer Considers...BONHAM

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The 80/20 Drummer

The 80/20 Drummer

3 жыл бұрын

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@BONHAMOLOGY
@BONHAMOLOGY 3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the shout out! Thank you, Nate. Very cool video! 👍🏻😁 Something I should mention.... you are playing the beat a bit differently than I play it. I don't often do two strokes with my right hand. I believe that Bonzo was pretty much doing consistent singles, with some flams, so sometimes you can hear a left hand double which creates a flam between the tom and the floor tom. Also when he crashes the cymbal, he always does it in tandem with a left hand note on the Tom. I don't believe he played the snare drum really on this song at all because I don't hear that high pitched tone.
@bobc.5698
@bobc.5698 2 жыл бұрын
Alright, a JAZZOFF......between you two!
@allenhonaker4107
@allenhonaker4107 2 жыл бұрын
Part of the greatness of Bonham was that many times he and John Paul seemed like one guy playing two instruments at the same time. They had musical telepathy.
@dougtull4594
@dougtull4594 Жыл бұрын
They also had a way of playing behind the beat that gave them a great feel.
@danilobriz8499
@danilobriz8499 3 жыл бұрын
wasn't just the chops, it was the REBELIOUS ENERGY of it., oh my god so many drummers just forget what rock is all about.
@makkrohero59
@makkrohero59 3 жыл бұрын
I mostly play jazz now, but Bonham is the reason why I still play drums today. It was him that made me love drums in the first place. Has a huge influence on me and a very special place in my heart
@BrianMax
@BrianMax 2 жыл бұрын
40 years after the dude died, people are still talking about his drumming.
@sdc6447
@sdc6447 2 жыл бұрын
Because he was so influential and because he was in the greatest rock band of all time. Period
@ohboi9578
@ohboi9578 Жыл бұрын
2000+ years after a dude named Jesus died, people are still talking about him
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 Жыл бұрын
Great drummer, but not as good as Ginger--who played Jazz and rock in the same band (and was really a jazz drummer).
@naysayer1238
@naysayer1238 Жыл бұрын
@@gregcable3250 Meh
@i-on-u
@i-on-u Жыл бұрын
⁠@@gregcable3250 that’s your opinion…for almost 30 years after John Bonham death until when Ginger Baker passed to this day music world talks about how great John Bonham’s drumming, the only Ginger you hear about then to this day was that beautiful girl on Gilligan’s Island tv shows., John Bonham died young(32 years young) musicians all over the world considered him the greatest drummer then, imagine if he would lived longer. 😂
@tedvincent2409
@tedvincent2409 3 жыл бұрын
It's unfortunate there are labels on musicians but in retrospect Bonham was a jazz drummer, rock drummer, Brazilian drummer, etc., playing whatever style the music called for. One only has to hear him reference Max Roach often in his drum solos as an example of his wide virtuosity.
@papichefitup
@papichefitup 2 жыл бұрын
Bonham was a mixture of soul drumming ,jazz and being a brick layer
@exquisitecorpse4917
@exquisitecorpse4917 3 жыл бұрын
Jazz drumming and rock drumming are perceived as having a hard, defined separation between double-bass stomping brutes and mealy-mouthed cymbal ticklers. But a cursory look at history will show that jazz invented the drum set, invented how we approach it, and invented drummers like Ringo and Mitch Mitchell. Even death-metal chops can be traced directly back to tom rolls and double-bass patterns in big-band. But, of course, most drummers born in the last 50 years saw Neil Pert years before they saw Art Blakey, so even the most avid jazz nerds are inexorably linked to the 600 piece kits and break-neck beats of rock. So, yeah: Take off the leather jacket, and there's a turtle neck underneath......but the turtle-necks also have a leather jacket in the closet.
@t3hgir
@t3hgir 2 жыл бұрын
I love this.
@ORagnar
@ORagnar 2 жыл бұрын
Probably historically accurate, but written poetically.
@dontpanic9261
@dontpanic9261 2 жыл бұрын
Peart.
@harrybutler8101
@harrybutler8101 3 жыл бұрын
This is great - I originally learnt drumming in the 70s with a Jazz / Blues drummer Dad and a Led Zep inspired teacher - life got in the way and i stopped playing for 38 years - then picked it up again - and WOW = what a time warp - I can see the jazz / bonham influence in so much of modern music - it really is amazing. I also love how the internet has enabled us to get so much information - so well done! I am subscribed!
@BamBam_PDX
@BamBam_PDX 3 жыл бұрын
Bonham LOVED jazz. In the early years you can hear him using Max Roach’s “The Drum Also Waltzes” as the beginning of his solo (check the Royal Albert Hall performance from How The West Was Won). The thing that most “rock” drummers miss when they try to play “Bonham” is the inherent swing in his playing. Also, the reason he got the drum sound he did, was because he tuned his drums tighter than a “rock” drummer, more like a bop drummer, just on bigger drums. Also, if you’re going to mention “Rock & Roll”, you need to mention the Little Richard tune “You Keep a Knockin’” which is where he stole that intro from. Almost note for note exact. Lastly, if you’re going to make the jazz reference, you really should mention Zep’s BBC sessions, because you can hear multiple versions of the same songs and see how much Zep and Bonzo loved to improvise. They were basically a jazz band, just playing electric instruments. Also worth mentioning is the live version of Kashmir from How The West Was One. Those big fusion esc fills at the end were basically “Gospel Chops” 25 years before anyone coined that term. There’s SO many connections with Bonzo and jazz. Honestly kinda disappointed that you missed some of these.
@alexscott730
@alexscott730 2 жыл бұрын
The Rock n Roll intro is inspired by Chuck Berry's Johnny B Goode not Little Richard's Keep a Knockin'....I'm kinda disappointed you miss that one.
@BONHAMOLOGY
@BONHAMOLOGY 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexscott730 It's more similar to Run Rudolph Run....it is not the same as either JBG or Keep a Knockin'. Similar , but not the same.
@davidgomersall7185
@davidgomersall7185 3 жыл бұрын
I think the best summation of Bonhams style was by Steve Taylor on his channel when he said something along the lines of "Bonham doesn't swing, he swaggers". Great video, always good to hear a self professed jazz nerd talk about the technicalities behind rock 😁
@richardgonzalez2698
@richardgonzalez2698 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you included the great Bonhamology for this one!
@KaninTuzi
@KaninTuzi 3 жыл бұрын
Two other rock drummers with strong jazz influence: Michael Shrieve, Mitch Mitchell Would love to see videos on those two!
@tobykelly4606
@tobykelly4606 2 жыл бұрын
Mitch is my favorite after Bonham
@paulfrantizek102
@paulfrantizek102 2 жыл бұрын
@@tobykelly4606 Mitch, Charlie and Bonzo are my three top rock drummers.
@sirdrum-a-lot
@sirdrum-a-lot Жыл бұрын
Michael Giles?
@Meme-zc4cw
@Meme-zc4cw 3 жыл бұрын
Bonham was a jazz drummer playing rock. Morello was his hero. Also, everytime I watch your videos, I end up putting my drumset on Craigslist.
@frankspikes7858
@frankspikes7858 3 жыл бұрын
I would have to say he drew inspiration from a lot of different sources. Fool in the rain... Bernard Purdy. A lot of motown. Some Max Roach.
@Meme-zc4cw
@Meme-zc4cw 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankspikes7858 Of course we all do, but he is on record crediting Morello with his style. In fact, watch the drum solo in the movie The Song Remains the Same. That is Morello all day long, especialky the hamd drumming. But yes, you are right.
@frankspikes7858
@frankspikes7858 3 жыл бұрын
@@Meme-zc4cw Ok, that's cool. Morello is a legend.
@brewstergallery
@brewstergallery 3 жыл бұрын
@@Meme-zc4cw Ned from Spain here, don't forget the amazing Papa Jo Jones and his hand drumming which was from waaaayyyy back when. Here's quick and rare one from 1957 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nN6knM5nytHYgY0.html He'd been doing them since the swing days.
@Meme-zc4cw
@Meme-zc4cw 3 жыл бұрын
@@brewstergallery Word homie, WORD!!! Papa Jo Jones is awesome!
@toothpastehombre
@toothpastehombre 3 жыл бұрын
I always get nervous when the phone is on the tom.. especially when Bonzo is in the mix! Ps - your outros are top shelf
@turnsufficient4971
@turnsufficient4971 Жыл бұрын
Bonzo was the best. His drum sound, his ferosiousness, his speed and power - no drummer before or since has all of those qualities mixed into one person. I've listened to around 300+ Led Zeppelin bootlegs and some of the stuff he does live would floor many people. He was getting better and better as the years rolled on. John Bonham some times mimics the guitar riff and some times he mimicked the vocal lines. He played behind the beat, on top of the beat and ahead of the beat -- it was just about feel to him. He was a master. There is a really quick fill he does in Over the Top (the Out on the Tiles intro groove for his drum solo on their 1977 tour) at The Summit in Houston on May 21, 1977 - he does this insane fill that lasts about 2 seconds and I took the recording to a local drummer who knows how to translate drums, write it on the clef lines, etc --- he's phenomenal indeed. He heard the fill and couldn't believe it. It took him 15 to 20 mins to figure out what Bonzo did in that one fill and it took him another 5 to 7 mins to play it properly on the drums. He was impressed and confessed that he only knew LZ's/Bonham's studio albums and TSRTS album. He came away from it saying - "Bonham did the unexpected and there's no one who really plays like him that he's heard." The music teacher/drummer is in a great cover band and is a great guy. He was thoroughly impressed with what he heard.
@chrisjansen7988
@chrisjansen7988 3 жыл бұрын
There's also the Steve Smith Boogada in Separate Ways.
@chrisjansen7988
@chrisjansen7988 3 жыл бұрын
George Fludas has more insight into Bonham/Zep lore than anyone I know. He's also a seriously versatile player.
@jeanclaudebertoni6262
@jeanclaudebertoni6262 3 жыл бұрын
So was he! Bonzo started with Jazz, hence his "swing" feel
@Scracnac
@Scracnac 3 жыл бұрын
The story about Rock and Roll is that it's based on the intro of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode. You can sing along the guitar part to get through insted of counting.
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Ooooh I know it! See I knew somebody in the comments would have the inside story.
@Carlo24515
@Carlo24515 3 жыл бұрын
Check out “Keep a Knockin” by Little Richard ;) . Gotta give some love to Charles Connor if we’re gonna talk about the intro to Rock n’ Roll. Bonham was a big fan of Charles Connor.
@keiththehawk6512
@keiththehawk6512 3 жыл бұрын
That’s where it came from
@alexmak5038
@alexmak5038 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually based on Keep A-Knockin by Little Richard, but they're both very close!
@jpvensel8626
@jpvensel8626 3 жыл бұрын
Yes...they were playing around with classic “rock n roll” intros, like Johnny b Goode, which usually just featured a single guitar, and bonzo played along with it...then they just took out the guitar.
@markmadonia1258
@markmadonia1258 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx for this vid! Bonham was deeper than he got credit for..even tho he's so widely renowned
@G60syncro
@G60syncro 3 жыл бұрын
The shout out to George Fludas!! His and Terry's Bonzoleum channels are go to references to anything Bonham related!! Thanks George for everything you do... I've seen the new content you put up recently with the new cymbal analysis.. awesome as always!! Hope you forgive the brain fart I had in the misspelling of your name!!
@mr.anderson70
@mr.anderson70 3 жыл бұрын
GEORGE RULES
@rosiemurray2611
@rosiemurray2611 3 жыл бұрын
these channels of guys who've devoted their lives to studying Bonham's playing are astonishing archives, they are truly wonderful
@G60syncro
@G60syncro 3 жыл бұрын
@@rosiemurray2611 The nerdiness going on between those two is on another level!! This video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pc2IiMmm0-C7Zmw.html&ab_channel=BONHAMOLOGY of them hanging out and tuning a snare to match the tone of specific performance dates is just off the chart!! They're super fun to watch!
@BONHAMOLOGY
@BONHAMOLOGY 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks all. My name is spelled Fludas. 😁👍🏻
@AnthonyGarcia-wv1oq
@AnthonyGarcia-wv1oq 3 жыл бұрын
George is a great jazz drummer who also happens to be one if not the best when it comes to John Bonham covers
@mdp303
@mdp303 3 жыл бұрын
The rock n roll intro i heard was just following the accenting of the guitar into for Johny b good. It actually seems to be true, can’t remember where I heard it though
@andybaker9356
@andybaker9356 3 жыл бұрын
Its the intro to a song called Keep a knockin' by Little Richard
@vkiperman
@vkiperman 3 жыл бұрын
Bonzolium did a whole video on it. The intro starts on three-and. It contours against the opening to Johnny b. Goode.
@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843
@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843 2 жыл бұрын
He was a self-taught drummer that no one on earth in the history of the world could've done except for him, he was the chosen one.🙏 He was to the drums what Jimi Hendrix was to guitar. His technique, speed, his feel, and 10 more things he did was incomparable and unfathomable really. He had his own "sound" for crying out loud! 🤔No drummer before or since has had their own sound. A hard hitting rock drummer that could play like Buddy Rich and other great jazz drummers and self-taught??? And his feel was immeasurable. It doesn't even make sense. He was THE GREATEST end of story.
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 2 жыл бұрын
GInger Baker was better, but I loved Bonzo.
@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843
@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843 2 жыл бұрын
@@gregcable3250 Haha. You like Ginger Baker better and you're partial to him which is cool but he's not John Bonham, no one is Brother. Ginger definitely influenced Bonzo, definitely one of his biggest influences but Bonham was on another level or 2 or 10 above everyone, even the ones considered the best he's above them too.
@22julip
@22julip 2 жыл бұрын
Considering that Bonham didn’t start playing drums when he was 16 and no lessons according to his son Jason . So 4 years on the drums he was in Zep . WOW . I play guitar but I like these drum videos . Cool video thanks
@DavidDiMuzio
@DavidDiMuzio 3 жыл бұрын
I don't play the drums, but I always love your videos.
@owainjones4584
@owainjones4584 3 жыл бұрын
You should start
@MoronMediaProductions
@MoronMediaProductions 3 жыл бұрын
So I'm not the only none drummer here! I'm a guitarist but I really like this guys videos. Alot of guys on YT teaching/ talking about music/instrument techniques, can be a tad dogmatic in their attitude and are actually not that musical in their approach. This guy has a good attitude, pragmatic open and his drums aren't processed to a point of sounding plastic, the drums are recorded sounding real and natural.
@gooberthorpos8195
@gooberthorpos8195 3 жыл бұрын
Best rock drummer of all time - no question. One of the most influential of all time.
@gerryrepash6706
@gerryrepash6706 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Page says that Bonham started playing "Keep A Knocking (But You Can't Come In)" by Little Richard and he instinctively figured it out and he came up with the guitar part. Eventually, they figured out how it would be orchestrated.
@kiddynamite3931
@kiddynamite3931 Жыл бұрын
I've heard the same from many musicians
@AltGrendel
@AltGrendel 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve found that most of the rock groups I really liked have drummers that had a strong jazz influence.
@kirstencristobal3204
@kirstencristobal3204 3 жыл бұрын
Even most guitar shredders like Vai and Petrucci always cite jazz guitarists are their biggest influences
@walterlippmann6292
@walterlippmann6292 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirstencristobal3204 I'm a guitarist and Wes Montgomery is one of my biggest influences, but I didn't realize it until a few years ago. I never really listened to much jazz. Some of my favorite guitarists were influenced by him, but I never listened to him. Then when I did, I realized how many things I do on the guitar are indirect influences from Wes.
@jerrywoods4066
@jerrywoods4066 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirstencristobal3204 Vai loved blackmore
@richcapo
@richcapo 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirstencristobal3204, Vai hates jazz. He says it makes no sense to him. There’s a video of him asking his producer to turn off the jazz in the studio. He looks made physically ill by it. I’ll see if I can find the video.
@216Numbskull
@216Numbskull 2 жыл бұрын
@AltGrendel, The 3 big reasons for this jazz influence in drummers you dig, expands far more then rock drummers, fans,musicians, & just drummers overall. They are "Buddy Rich" "Max Roach" & "Gene Krupa." There's many others & various reasons, but the effect those 3 had by the beat of their drum, transcended drumming! From Bonham & Baker, Peart & Porcaro, or Carey & Copeland,etc... You also have to realize that prior to the creation of jazz music, drummers were falling asleep behind their drumset, restricted to banging out a 4/4 beat! Know that mentioning these 3 drum icons is an overall consensus, not personal opinions or to diminish any other great drummers in the past or present. *Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul*
@cgafken
@cgafken 3 жыл бұрын
This video really brought me back. I started drumming around 2001-2002 after watching a zeppelin dvd in middle school and many of the first songs I learned were Zeppelin songs. I would play dazed and confused, stairway, ramble on, good times, the ocean, etc over and over. I would even drum to the free form guitar solo in heartbreaker. I dont listen to zeppelin often anymore but its always fun hearing those songs
@anyabongo1331
@anyabongo1331 3 жыл бұрын
OK so I'm learning something new, the "Boogada." Heard it all my life but never knew what it was called. But then again, I play bass. LOL!!! Thanks again.
@gooberthorpos8195
@gooberthorpos8195 3 жыл бұрын
Go watch Bonzology, Bonzoleum and watch how they break down, play and talk about bonham’s playing and you will realise why bonzo is one of the greatest of all time
@OliverPatrickLoughnan
@OliverPatrickLoughnan 3 жыл бұрын
check out the videos I have of John Bonham
@rasm0225
@rasm0225 3 жыл бұрын
Bonhamology is a treasure trove. Even to practice zep as a guitar player.
@bishlap
@bishlap 18 күн бұрын
lOVED THIS VIDEO ! Thanks for the no nonsense approach and the easy to understand lesson. SUBBED.
@benjiarehart2878
@benjiarehart2878 2 жыл бұрын
I started drumming in 1976, and Bonham was a huge influence. He was doing what only most drummers could dream of. Unless they practiced, a lot. He's still the King of Rock drummers, and always will be. R.I.P. J.B. Great video!
@BobbyBlackout
@BobbyBlackout 3 жыл бұрын
When I was growing up, we had the opportunity to see all legends from every genre play live. Most of the people that I went to music school with were also out gigging. Some of us are just crazy, stoner musicians. Thanks, your videos are great 👍
@vahioslim3003
@vahioslim3003 3 жыл бұрын
"Skinny stick brush jockey?!?!" What in the world??😂😂😂
@Scott42
@Scott42 3 жыл бұрын
The Rock and Roll intro was taken from Little Richard’s “Keep-a-Knockin”
@LouisHansell
@LouisHansell 2 жыл бұрын
Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" is a remarkable tribute to the early days of rock and roll. The lyrics are a collage of famous early rock and roll songs. Page's solo is a classic E blue progression. And the drum intro is a tribute to the drum intro on a Little Richard song. I forget the title of that song at this moment, you can google it yourself.
@Armakk
@Armakk 3 жыл бұрын
omg I was today years old when I learned "Four Sticks" is played with four sticks
@88wildcat
@88wildcat 3 жыл бұрын
You're not alone. Now excuse me while I hang a "Bang Head Here" sign on computer room wall.
@Armakk
@Armakk 3 жыл бұрын
@@88wildcat Should've called it five sticks after the time signature. Bonzo puts fifth stick in his mouth like a bone.
@markcoledrumteacher
@markcoledrumteacher 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know either until I saw the late Michael Lee play it with four sticks on the Page/Plant tour!
@finnmacdiarmid3250
@finnmacdiarmid3250 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t ever use that saying again
@jamesrice5058
@jamesrice5058 3 жыл бұрын
Nate! This is great. I spent my preteen & teenage years trying to learn/understand Bonham’s vocabulary. Wish we had you then. Anyways, if you’re considering doing a Jazz Drummer Considers series (I hope you are), may I suggest the self-proclaimed jazz drumming great of Cream, Ginger Baker?
@thevelointhevale1132
@thevelointhevale1132 2 жыл бұрын
My fave booga-da ... is basically to have two floor toms and a single rack ... my preferred booga-da is right hand rack -then - left hand snare - kick ... then alternate right hand between rack and the two floor toms - my rig 26x16 Kick - 13x9 Rack Tom - 16x14 Floor Tom - 16x18 Floor Tom - 14x6.5 Snare.
@johnrobinson8323
@johnrobinson8323 2 жыл бұрын
Nate you rock dude!! Not even just for a jazz drummer. You Rock!!!🥁❤
@Doublebasist
@Doublebasist 3 жыл бұрын
Great show. I think bonham was a big inspiration to me when i started drums, well the whole band were. He just seemed to have a groove that others didn't have. Always great hearing your perspective Nafe so thanks.
@robthompson8285
@robthompson8285 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for breaking down that Stairway fill!
@dougtull4594
@dougtull4594 Жыл бұрын
There were so many great 1960s and 1970s drummers-Mitch Mitchell (loved Elvin Jones), Ian Paice, Neal Peart, Bill Ward, Ginger Baker, Bonham, etc. So many great jazz drummers during those decades too.
@sethsballs8479
@sethsballs8479 8 ай бұрын
Mitchell has to be the jazziest rocker ever. His playing stands out almost as much as Jimi which is really saying something.
@dandrechsler6884
@dandrechsler6884 3 жыл бұрын
I just saw your video loved it. I'm a big drum fan. And Bonham fan I don't play any instruments but always wanted to learn but life always got in the way. But I am a big music lover. And always respected those who have the talent to play. Looking forward to watching more of your videos
@Drumsmurf
@Drumsmurf 3 жыл бұрын
Rod Morgenstein said it perfectly: Bonham had a touch on the drums we all strive for. Just like Buddy had command over the drums witch is still unmatched. So it’s not about technique etc. , it’s the unique character of these guys which you can’t really copy.
@pa77
@pa77 2 жыл бұрын
Well stated!
@stephenlf706
@stephenlf706 2 жыл бұрын
Rod is God
@nordvegfigg7746
@nordvegfigg7746 2 жыл бұрын
The intro to Rock N Roll still sets my pulse racing even after all these years. I was 15 and in my first band when that album came out, and knew instantly the first time I heard, that my band was going to play it. After we had it down decently enough to try it live I lobbied to have it be our opener. It was a kick ass way to open our first set, and we were lucky enough to have a drummer who had the cojones to do the opening justice. Both he and I have managed to earn our livings as musicians, thanks in no small part to our early influences by Bonham and Page.
@bigcarrot3863
@bigcarrot3863 3 жыл бұрын
Hope Phil Collins can be looked at next. Lots of jazz and fusion in his catalogue, as well as his jazz only work as a member of Brand X. Arguably just as influential.
@Ogilla
@Ogilla 3 жыл бұрын
Phil Collins is an absolute monster. What a creative, inventive, technical yet tasteful drummer!
@bigcarrot3863
@bigcarrot3863 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ogilla I’m so glad someone else feels that way.
@maeu59
@maeu59 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ogilla better than Bonham!
@maeu59
@maeu59 2 жыл бұрын
@@Alfred_-vp9ys you’re kidding right? You haven’t listened to early Genesis, don’t think Bonham could handle it.
@JDines
@JDines 2 жыл бұрын
The most will known "bugada" (sic?) in rock is the serial burst of them in the intro to Grand Funk Railroad's "We're an American Band"
@arnaud3450
@arnaud3450 2 жыл бұрын
Hi nate. The Stairway Fill is more like Snare/tom/floor tom/kick + kick x 4 (the snare & 2 kicks x4 are on 16th & the Snare/tom/floor tom/kick is 32th triplets) followed by Snare/tom/kick x2 as 16th triplets.
@miles-178
@miles-178 3 жыл бұрын
i love jazz, considering myself mainly as a jazz/funk drummer but hell i do love John Bonham !!!!
@I-LOG
@I-LOG 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a jazzer’s perspective on Keith Moon The Loon
@ryanwilson5782
@ryanwilson5782 3 жыл бұрын
I second this!
@Thenorthsace
@Thenorthsace 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm
@johncollins5552
@johncollins5552 3 жыл бұрын
Only recently found out Moon played 2 or 3 Tom's the exact same size on those double bass kits. In a sense he was the most jazz in his approach to playing drums in a rock band. He kept time with ride cymbal rarely touched the hihat, he also used rimshots widely and wasn't predictable in his use of Tom fills and crash accents, very dynamic driving songs at different levels, rarely ever one level through a song.
@I-LOG
@I-LOG 3 жыл бұрын
@@johncollins5552 He was inspired by big band drummers like Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich, so the "jazzness" in his playing makes a lot of sense.
@johncollins5552
@johncollins5552 3 жыл бұрын
@@I-LOG Yes I can totally see that in his technique, his movement around the kit was very free, on the verge of being loose not the typical linear, rigid moves of a typical rock drummer although Moon could play matched grip when he wanted to.
@DSM9
@DSM9 5 ай бұрын
Great lesson. Thanks.
@stephenord3403
@stephenord3403 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Bonham, the best ever used to listen to soul music before going on stage
@raybenoit5238
@raybenoit5238 2 жыл бұрын
How nice to have such a positive prospective of rock drumming from a jazz drummer .
@eugenestandingbear6516
@eugenestandingbear6516 2 жыл бұрын
Love your show. very understandable. Thanks.
@ablackshedd
@ablackshedd 3 жыл бұрын
"Audios!" lol. Thanks, Nate. Your videos always cheer me up and chill me out.
@briansim1648
@briansim1648 8 ай бұрын
Terrific. Simplified with ease!
@gooberthorpos8195
@gooberthorpos8195 3 жыл бұрын
The first pattern of the stairway fill is actually a herta
@8020drummer
@8020drummer 3 жыл бұрын
Ah - rhythmically I think you're right. I think we're both right tho, because in that herta the snare accents still fall on dotted 8ths. phew :P
@gooberthorpos8195
@gooberthorpos8195 3 жыл бұрын
@@8020drummer yeah
@donjoefonzarelli9785
@donjoefonzarelli9785 3 жыл бұрын
I used to have nearly that same satin flame Round Badge kit but mine was sunset. Good video as usual, thanks.
@professoryaffle
@professoryaffle 2 жыл бұрын
I found this purely by KZfaq recommending it and really enjoyed it (I’m not a drummer). I was amazed to find you haven’t done a video of Danny Carey yet - namely the Pneuma video that every one else has… I’ll come back when you do ☺️
@DrFrunk
@DrFrunk 3 жыл бұрын
Rock n Roll intro is lifted straight from Little Richard's Keep A Knockin. Bonhan was a big fan of Earl Palmer, but the drummer on the record is actually Charles Connor. m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNCle5Bl3b26lI0.html
@pushpak
@pushpak 2 жыл бұрын
The opening of Rock n Roll always reminds me of Charles Connor's drumming on Little Richard's 'Keep a Knockin'.
@Rich6Brew
@Rich6Brew 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the intro to Rock And Roll: Think the guitar intro to Johnny B Goode, or Run Rudolph Run. That's what Bonham was mimicking.
@BONHAMOLOGY
@BONHAMOLOGY 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, much more like Run Rudolph than Johnny B. Goode
@TheStobb50
@TheStobb50 2 жыл бұрын
At the start of rock ‘n’ roll Bonham played ghost note to start, if you have an original vinyl recording you can just hear it but on later pressings it has been cut
@jasonremy1627
@jasonremy1627 2 жыл бұрын
The Rock and Roll intro drum groove is from Little Richard song "Keep a Knocking" as originated by Charles Connor. It's a fantastic groove, and Bonham nails it, but it's basically a note-for-note copy.
@BONHAMOLOGY
@BONHAMOLOGY 2 жыл бұрын
Charles Connor's intro is not the same rhythm. It's very similar but definitely not a note for note copy. Listen again.
@freelance_commie
@freelance_commie 3 жыл бұрын
The famous Moby Dick drum solo from Albert Hall bites a lot of Max Roach lines as well as others. Bonham always sounded huge but unlike 90% of other rock drummers he had insane dynamics and finesse. Gad damn I love John Henry Bonham and spent the first 5 years of my drumming trying to be him, Jon Theodore and Tim Alexander from Primus.
@ARGBlackCloud
@ARGBlackCloud 2 жыл бұрын
Intro is based on Chuck Berry's "Jonnie B Good" or Run Rudulf Run lick !!
@mr.145
@mr.145 3 жыл бұрын
Boogada....its in the first half of Buddys kit book,60 years plus old.
@mattcartwright8272
@mattcartwright8272 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you reference George Fludas.
@joeboone6957
@joeboone6957 2 жыл бұрын
The Rock n' Roll into is an almost exact copy of the 1957 version of KEEP A KNOCKIN' by Little Richard. Bonzo jamming it at a rehearsal and the guys latching onto it apparently. They'd have all known the song from their youth and just used that into to create a whole new song, maybe in homage to the old fifties rocker's. Play them back to back!! Thay both sound amazing to this day and stand up to just about anything to this day.
@papichefitup
@papichefitup 2 жыл бұрын
Four sticks is one of favorites!
@markvandivier
@markvandivier 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Nate. You be crushing it lately.
@MrCherryJuice
@MrCherryJuice 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable, but a couple points I'll throw in. Carmine Appice, not John Bonham, was the archetype for (hard) rock drumming as we know it today. His style was essentially Gene Krupa and Bernard Purdie on steroids. He influenced Bonham - also a Krupa and Purdie fan - and famously set the Zep drummer up with his big blonde Ludwig kit, which matched Carmine's, though the second bass drum was quickly abandoned, apparently on orders from Jimmy Page. And it is worth noting that Bonham, as with so many other British drummers was into jazz (Krupa, Rich, Morello...), so he had a grasp of swing. (So did his groove influencer, Purdie.) Jeff Beck's earliest drummers including Aynsley Dunbar, Micky Waller and Tony Newman, particularly the latter two, were early examples of jazz-rooted drummers with funky swagger (listen to Waller on Beck's 'Shapes of Things', and Newman on 'Plynth (Water Down the Drain)'. Other 60s/70s Brit pop and rock drummers with jazz roots included Bobby Elliott (Hollies), Ginger Baker (Cream, though more notably with the Graham Bond Organisation), Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix, Georgie Fame's Blue Flames), Jon Hiseman (Georgie Fames, Ian MacDonald (King Crimson), John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Colosseum....), Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Bluesbreakers Hughie Flint, Keef Hartley and Colin Allen, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, Ian Wallace, Brian 'Blinky'' Davidson (the Nice), Ian McCulloch (Greenslade) etc. It is somewhat ironic that so many rock drummers have no interest in learning even the fundamentals of jazz, yet their favourite rock drummers are who they are because of their exposure to jazz. Maybe that could be a topic for you. Swing and swagger are missing from the playing of so many drummers that it should be made a priority for learning. Technique, groove, speed, power...swing and swagger. This is Micky Waller with Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood on bass, and Jeff Beck. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h76fldOjyNK3kZ8.html
@starduststereo
@starduststereo 3 жыл бұрын
I really thought the four sticks beat was a direct influence from the Krautrock band Can’s album Tago Mago , specifically the track paper house, that came out the same year 1971. The beats are nearly identical - anyway just a theory
@Jellybeantiger
@Jellybeantiger 3 жыл бұрын
Bonham loved Jethro Tull’s drummer,Barriemore Barlow.
@thereisnothreat7141
@thereisnothreat7141 3 жыл бұрын
yeah bro, he called him "the greatest drummer england has ever produced"
@ryandonohue152
@ryandonohue152 3 жыл бұрын
Barlow was way ahead of his time.. Technical beast imo.
@davidseres3030
@davidseres3030 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryandonohue152 I'm reminded of Barlow's drumming on Thick As A Brick (very tight and very creative)...Bonham did admire him - and yet nowadays Barlow himself advises drummers not to be (what he now views his JT era drumming as) over-the-top...perhaps as a lover of both drumming (and I'm a drummer) and of history, I think his JT era drumming was "historically" appropriate and acceptable - that is, it was how drummers played in that period of history...I feel the same about (what I call) the sloppy drumming of the 60s; it was a part of and belongs to that era/decade...
@Drumsmurf
@Drumsmurf 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought BB was more interesting and creative then Neil Peart who stood much more in the drumcommunity spotlight.
@jaybreen1010
@jaybreen1010 2 жыл бұрын
I am late to the party - but as how the band knew when to come in when playing Rock and Roll? It was the intro beat to Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard, so having all been familiar with that song, the downbeat was not in question for any of them. Charles Connor, early trap kit rock drummer played a very similar figure. He was also a left handed drum kit player, so he rules right along with Earl Palmer as far as the early innovators go.
@okfallsrose
@okfallsrose 3 жыл бұрын
I've played everything from Symphonic to Pipe Band and all genres in between. I've been influenced by people in all categories along the way. I've applied my learning from all to improve. i'm not sure if I made sense, but.... Thanks for the vid, you are well schooled. Cheers, Rod
@briandavis9921
@briandavis9921 3 жыл бұрын
Great! job mate' only Bonham would lead with his left like most Brits on groove ghost fills, triplets and coming out of herta's and also the intro and first fill of Black Dog to name a few; this is why a lot of times Drummers may miss the plot when trying to emulate his playing :)
@garysullivan5481
@garysullivan5481 2 жыл бұрын
Drum intro is basically the guitar intro to Chuck Berry's Johnny be Good ...if you play guitar in your head as u play,it matches up..this is where Bonham got it from I believe
@andrewgillis8572
@andrewgillis8572 2 жыл бұрын
My pal Ron LaPierre of the BC band Moxy (Canada had two) called bo-gada ""fron-tal lo-bo-tomy"
@jordan3119
@jordan3119 9 ай бұрын
For rock and roll Jimmy comes in on the and of the 1. I don’t know how they got that synched up but yeah they did.
@edwardrusk
@edwardrusk 3 жыл бұрын
+1 like not just for Bonham, but also the Chris Cornell shout-out.
@drazj
@drazj 3 жыл бұрын
All genres of music can be heard in Bonham's playing. That's why he is still No.1 rock drummer.
@monkface
@monkface 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love the drums on the Rain song. Honestly I love all the drums from zeppelin!
@stvdog
@stvdog 2 жыл бұрын
I always say that no one had the combination of power & finesse like John Henry Bonham. The Rain Song is the best example of this.
@skydogfan4671
@skydogfan4671 2 жыл бұрын
A great, great underrated drummer is Dino Danelli - The Young Rascals. Watch them live on the Ed Sullivan Show and you’ll see what I mean.
@staceyenglish8936
@staceyenglish8936 2 жыл бұрын
J.B. was a jàzz drummer who played in a rock n roll/blues band that is just happened to to hit drums SO hard! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@jgdevoe
@jgdevoe 3 жыл бұрын
Well done. It’s midnight and I might have to get up and go to the basement to try some of this.
@nickespina1975
@nickespina1975 3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully made video! Rock on!
@refractorhead
@refractorhead 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video, as your others.
@binkymagnus
@binkymagnus 3 жыл бұрын
i've always loved that Rollins Band cover of four sticks
@blazeesq2000
@blazeesq2000 3 жыл бұрын
Listen to the drumming at just 0:41-0:51. So casual and nailed all of it. That is a combination of school and experience. Some can get there on natural talent. Some can do both. I think 80/20 was a cheeky example of the 80 of technique and the 20 of talent. It goes the other way. Is that because Jazz, Rock? No, it is learning and working at mastering a craft.
@JDines
@JDines 2 жыл бұрын
Play the triplet with your left hand only. The right hand doesn't come away from the ride cymbal.
@joshuahaydt7553
@joshuahaydt7553 3 жыл бұрын
The outro always keeps me guessing. Sometimes it's the one tone whistle, sometimes the two. There's "and that's how you get the gig.." or the meta shattering combi-outro.
@22julip
@22julip 2 жыл бұрын
Rock n roll intro came from Little Richard . Love four sticks . Do you know the ending drum fill at the very end of the live Dazed and confused fro TSRS where it looks like he’s playing on 78 is it sped up or it just looks that way . I’ve wondered this for many years thanks
@michaelwhitlow8467
@michaelwhitlow8467 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done!
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 3 жыл бұрын
I hear the intro to Rock and Roll completely differently now. Cool
@stephenrice4554
@stephenrice4554 2 жыл бұрын
Well said , influence and feel , contributed to the richness of the performance
@guytansbariva2295
@guytansbariva2295 Жыл бұрын
Yes Nate, I knew you were the NPR finger in the air tea drinker, but so am I. Hope you're doing well my friend!! ❤️
@ranadrums3174
@ranadrums3174 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks! I’d love to hear your thoughts on Collins; Battle, Apocalypse, Cinema?!
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