I missed some things out to avoid the video being 40 minutes long but the main reason the sweat really blew up with the Vecna patch which I didn't explain well was pop pain res were the only decent gen regression left before the patch. If you want more detail, I'd highly recommend this video from Choy where he goes over all the previous killer meta's for the past few years. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nb91e7iByNjVXX0.html& Though I don't agree with what he believes the killer meta will go to (eruption is just unusable in it's current state especially with the 8 gen kick limit). I made this video since the Vecna patch, my matches have been horrific on both sides and I've noticed alot of discourse online about it. I anticipated this happening in the patchnotes but I see alot of people not understanding why it's happened so I made this video to try and explain it to those who don't understand (even though I will probably get the DBD mob on me for it). I will return to my regular style of videos after this and have another Sadako meme-esque video in the works for those of you who really enjoy those types of videos.

Killer doesnt play meta build and plays casually leading to 0-1 kills. Gets tbag and ridiculled at end game chat.

Summary: Maybe if playing killer wasnt miserable half the time, then people wouldnt sweat

Survivor: Brings sabo-anti pick up/hook build Also Survivor: Why am i being slugged????

Survivors wasting time at Endgame by t-bagging instead of leaving: 😁 Survivors getting slugged for the exact same time duration: 😡

Normal design philosophy: X (bad thing) happen > why? Because of Y > fix y BHVR: X happen > make it worse > now Z is bad > make it worse > now Y is bad > make it worse + make it easier to work around > X is back > repeat

Survivors be like: slugging is so unfair! It makes my anti-carry build useless! I was just spawming lound noise notifications at this safe loop on the edge of the map when the killer got me, and now he is not carrying me to a hook so I can free myself, so unfair.

Honestly I just hate the whole beef survivor and killer mains have. It's a game, You're not in a squid game like tournament where losing means death. Survivors fail to read killer patch notes. I know I'm a killer main but Survivors don't realize how stressful it is sometime to play killer, like its a 4v1. Another issue is content creators and streamers who mainly play survivor that make people who follow them grow as toxic as they are, causing a butterfly effect where if you loose one match it's that sides fault and they're "Not good". There are a bunch of sore winners too on the survivor side as well. I'll be honest I feel like sore winners on Killer side are rare. survivors treat the killer like their entertainment and toss them away like toys like it's not a real person playing as the killer. They give up when stuff doesn't go their way and makes the killer just have a boring match. examples are stuff like sabo squads giving up when someone runs franklins or agitation and mad grit, or they just choose to hide from the killer till the match timer runs out. Edit:War…War never changes.

Something Ive dealt with as a killer main is, if I play a killer Im not great at or dont play much in high mmr to have fun, I get berated hard. Very hard. Like bruh?

Finally, you're the first person who plays mostly survivor that actually understands the issues of this game and the butterfly effect this cause on the gameplay experience of those who play mostly killer

Killers play like their lives depend on it because they get no kills if they play casual. Survivors have so many tools at their disposal to get gens done quick. Deja Vu, Hyperfocus/Stakeout combo, BNP, etc. Killers pretty much have to play ruthlessly unless they want their games to last 5 seconds. I’ve played both sides, and I’ve seen how fast gens can pop from both perspectives. It’s why I don’t even mind if killers slug, or camp or tunnel near the end, because they need it to up the pressure at this point if they haven’t gotten kills by the endgame. Edit: Not everyone wants to spend money to get 4 gen regression perks, and even with 4, that doesn’t slow things down a whole lot considering how fast gens will still go with all the good gen speed options survivors have.

When survivors play like it's a tournament, it's perfectly fine but when Killer start playing like it's a tournament, then it's an issue.

I wish there were more perks like Grim Embrace or Pain Res. Not necessarily the gen regression/blocking aspects, but the idea that a perk can incentivize you to go for OTHER survivors instead of tunneling. I feel it's such a healthy design for perks. Yes, a killer can still benefit from such a perk even while camping or whatever, sure. However, these sorts of perks DO still favor a playstyle of alternating survivors rather than tunneling, which I feel is really good for both the enjoyment of survivors and killers. Friends till the End is another perk design I like for all the same reasons.

Honestly, the tunneling & slugging spree _started_ way back in 7.5.0 when BHVR thought it would be a good idea to put a hard-limit on gen-regression, effectively killing every slowdown perks that didn't give good value per activation (like Pop and Pain Res, both of which recently got even further nerfed, Pop into near-uselessness) and making the game incredibly more stressful for weaker/M1 Killers that simply don't have the mobility and/or lethality to deal with efficient Survivors. That change basically made no difference to the powerhouses (Billy, Blight, Nurse, Spirit etc.) but was a _serious_ blow to Killers like Trapper, Nemesis, Pig (poor her), Doctor, Demo and others. When Pop & Pain Res, the last two viable choices, got nerfed, it cemented tunneling/slugging & camping as the go-to strategy for most Killers, creating the boring and annoying state we are currently in.

Yea new to the game and killer main. Getting my first bully squad was...a thing. Whats worse is every single map. 8 games has been on the same out door map. Idk the name survivors go down in the open. Or away from hooks. Its insane

8:20 This made me think... Why does the UI not show each survivor's hook states to killer? What advantage would it give to them, slightly less counting?

As a killer main tunneling is a useful strategy, so is slugging, and proxying hooked survivors to secure a few kills. However if the survivor mains want this kind of gameplay to stop, the devs need to pull they're heads out they're asses and stop nerfing gen regression perks, as well as others that make the matches last longer. Furthermore 4 man swfs with the same build to bully/troll killers deserve to get slugged, because dbd has gone from a horror game to a repetitive 1v4 where it's the killers fault no matter what the outcome. Toxicity will breed more if the devs keep holding the survivors hands through it all, mind you not all survivor mains are like this, but good majority will ruin your day if they get pissy after one loss.

Survivor main who complain 247 and never play killer really think they are the gods of ballence not like they would abuse broken stuff the second its released and that annoys me

People need to understand tgat slugging is viable when its not all four down, even three down is smart. You donr throw the game to get the hook letting everyone get up.

I've been playing for about 3.5 years, this video is pretty much on point. It's not killers all getting together and deciding to play "sweaty", it's just what the meta is right now. Almost every gen regression perk is the weakest they have ever been, and there is now entity blocking preventing playing around 3-gens. Gen speed perks and items still give a massive benefit with little to no extra effort required by survivors. DS is bugged and stuns some killers for nearly 6 seconds and has not been killswitched. Perks like Adrenaline (which is currently the most popular it's ever been) and Hope actively punish killers who try to spread pressure and go for late-game plays instead of tunneling. And, like the video said, there are a bunch of perks like Deliverance or OTR or Reassurance that benefit survivors when they get hooked, so it's no surprise some people opt to slug instead. Additionally, the anti-facecamp timer and basekit BT make rescues essentially free unless it's end game or survivors refuse to heal. These are the gameplay changes a lot of people wanted, and now that they're actually in the game and killers have to play differently to counter them, people are still blaming others and making excuses for why they lose. It's a classic example of "be careful what you wish for."

I think you have to also look at how meta killers affect the survivor meta, both metas build each other, and the survivor meta has more limits, because if you make a alternative build there's a not minor chance you're gonna get a killer or worst a perk that can be used by any killer that counter said build, for example any build that require a moment of stealth will get countered by countless info perks, powers and add ons, and that happen for other builds, healing builds being countered by tunneling, plague, and legion, overcome based builds being counter by instadowns, hit and run, and sniper builds.

Remember when borrowed time also gave endurance to the person that unhooked the survivor on the hook. Fun times. Having to hit the survivor going for the unhook 3 times was something.

i play like a decent human being and often even let the last survivor go if they are a good sport. until i get tbagged and taunted. Then i slug, tunnel and any other means necessary to make sure that they absolutely do not escape. I think thats fair

This summarized the current balance state of the game better than anything else I've ever seen imo. Something that further worries me is the completely insane buff Babysitter is about to get which will make it *another* extremely powerful "anti-tunneling" perk that's sole purpose is to run straight at the killer with because you know you're invincible. All of the nerfs and changes over the last year or so have made it extremely difficult if not nearly impossible to play weak killers at max MMR-- the only way to make up for the lack of formerly decent perks on already bad killers is unfortunately to play sweaty and that makes me feel like an ass so I don't do it and instead I've just dropped a tonnn of killers I used to really like because they're too weak now. Nemesis used to be my #1 killer and I absolutely never use him now because 3 hits is wayyy too slow in modern DBD world. I use to love Ghostface as well and unfortunately an M1 killer without any chase ability is completely worthless at max MMR so I just can't play him. Because of these changes and extremely strong perks on the survivor side too I'm absolutely seeing more killers play sweaty from the beginning of the match because it's the only way they can keep up if we sweat. If the killer is nice and the survivors are sweating the killer will lose and 90% of the time I see multiple teammates teabagging at the gates just to rub it in. So as much as it sucks to be tunneled at the beginning of the game I'm starting to be less angry and more just sad because I know the killer would likely have a miserable experience if they didn't tunnel me :/

People play like it's a tournament bc of mmr. Before mmr, it was never this sweaty. I miss those days 😢

From my understanding it’s more of a game balance issue and baggage issue. Game balance in the sense that since killers got their recent slowdowns nerfed (these perks being what felt like mandatory perks at the higher MMRs) killers now feel more inclined to build pressure in other forms like tunneling camping and slugging. Then comes the baggage. Let’s be real, no one wants to play nice after getting sent to Badham 3 games in a row by the sweaty 4 man BNP SWFs that t-bag at the exit gates and cal u slurs in the chat. A lot of players take that baggage into the next game onto what could possibly be a nice and innocent team of survivors. I’m not defending anyone, I understand why both sides sweat and why both sides feel miserable playing the side they play. Personally, I just don’t care anymore. I’m not incentivized to sweat when I play both sides and 2k hours later I don’t feel like I have to prove to anyone that I’m good at the game, I’m gonna use DBD for what video games are meant to be, that being entertainment. Sorry for the yap, have a great day

So dumb how heavy the devs cater to sweaty 4-man squads.

Baffles me when you hear "Uuumm, actually I've played Killer and it's super easy I 4k every game" when in reality they have played maybe 20 games against the lowest possible MMR

Games aren’t fun when it’s all about winning. I play fighting games and a lot of the fun is found in just playing around. A lot of people in the FGC are just hanging out and don’t really care if they win (not until money is on the line).

oh my god, i literally mentioned on stream two says ago that diminishing returns should be implemented as a way to fix certain aspects of the game. I love that you mentioned that. You understand that it'd be a great idea

Been going for all the adept achievements on the killers I have and I have constantly got ttv p100 players all coming in with bnp event medkits with syringe and healing gel and it’s just make it a nightmare even on killers like hag and nemesis who have gen regression perks

Babysitter buff is coming, now killers cannot tunnel even if they wanted to, 30s haste only to catch upto surv and then one hit and surv will run away due to endurance I assume after babysitter buff a lot of killers will slug, so counter to this is running we'll live forever to pickup the slugged survivors as well

Remember, is one person agaist 16 perks. One person agaist 4 items. One person agaist 20+ pallets. We have to start thinking about what is really "unfair".

The thing is as a killer I can't try out some new build , cuz if I don't put at least 1 gen perk in it , I will loose, because I get more relatively good /swet survivor than bad ones

I remember when slugging the whole team as first a problem way way back it's good to see they still have a issue and will continue to only put bandaid after bandaid on the symptom instead of addressing the real issues.

Ive played both sides for years gotten all the achievements and done it all. Id say for me it boils down to juat how people define a win and fun. For me just having fun with my build the players my challenge or friends. You cant 4 man outs or killa every match so go dont in the mind set that you need to get them. Going in with a relaxed mind set mixing up perks away from the meta makes it alot more fun and does throw people on both sides off and a shocking amount of people do repect the perk change up. A no mither build and end game build are my favorites.

It's so refreshing to see a true 50/50 main give an insight as to why killers play the way they do since survivor mains that have never touched killer are the very loud majority

an underrated gen regression build i really like is oppression surge (espeically when running an m1 killer like ghostie or slinger (his spear still requires an m1))

My main killer right now is Singularity and i run a pure slugging snowball build as getting 8% haste in overclock and 13% haste in overclock and after a hit whilst you can maintain the highest chase % among every killer in the game. Plus the killers kit is just generally very good at snowballing. Plus it bypasses nearly all of the meta perks in the game.

I’m still waiting for them to make Call of brine usable again. It’s such a shame they nerfed a perfectly balanced perk and crushed it all because of bad killer design. I just want my gen regression back 😭

Maybe cuz survivor do gens in 5 minutes plus all the gen regression nerfs so that's why killers playing the way they do they don't have a choice if they wanna win

Seriously addicted to your channel! Keep 'em coming!

I’m a hillybilly main and I use plaything, bamboozle, bbq, and floods of rage for perks and for addons I’ll use the following 4 depending on how I’m feeling about the lobby apex muffler, iridescent engravings, spiked boots, and lopro. And I’ve have won many games and I’d say I have pretty high mmr but I don’t ever go out of my way to tunnel and camp before end game. And you can say I’m versing bots but I’m prestige 43 on Billy and I’ve only have lost maybe 5 to 10 games getting there. And what I’d consider loss is anything below 6 hooks.

I think the per killer mmr is a problem, I’m not that good at the game and constantly get placed against insane high hour players who are on a new killer, and of course we get stomped because most of killer isn’t just their power. It ruins the survivor experience a lot. I also agree that gens are too fast but slowdown and regression just feels like shit, trying to do a gen while the killers 4 slowdown perks make it keep exploding and blocking itself is so boring and annoying. Lose lose situation

Every survivor plays like it's a tournament -> Every killer plays like it's a tournament -> Every survivor plays like it's a tournament...

This is exactly how I feel whenever I load into a lobby as killer and see two or more toolboxes, if I don't have slowdown, I get my ass handed to me. Then because I'm stressed, I can't lay correctly because three gens pop before I can even get my first down. And then I have people telling me in my stream to "not be upset" to which I always respond with, as you said in your video, "So you'd rather go against the Comp Nurse or Blight with Quad slow-down every match? Because that is what will happen if "weaker" killers keep getting shadow nerfed through perks being changed to "hamper" the highteir killers.

Small opinion here. I think that taking a protection hit should count as a conspicuous action and should cancel out DS. But bring the stun time back to 5s. I don’t think you should be able to use it offensively.

Maybe my MMR is low or something because I don’t encounter “tournament level” killers. Games feel normal to me. Been playing the game for over 4 years and play killer 60% of the time and survivor 40%. I got every achievement so I got a good understanding of every killer’s power, maps, and survivor perks. I still get goofy killers and I still have fun times with meme builds as killer.

as someone who plays primarily survivor, thank you for this video, it was very well put-together and i appreciated your insight! i have noticed that when i do try and play killer that unless i run mostly gen regression i don't stand a chance, and i often end up against survivor bully squads. it's so unfortunate that people can't just enjoy the game without feeling frustrated by various mechanics. survivors don't like being slugged but killers also don't like being unable to hook - i've been on both sides and neither is fun!

Been playing blight lately cause he's fun. Been using mad grit iron grasp agitation and 4th perk changes. Been having so much fun with him. One of my most fun matches happened last night against 3 flashlights and a couple had flashbang too. Was playing my heart out and got the 4k. I'm relatively new and have less than 200hrs on killer and have less than 150hrs on survivor. blight is p3 and artist is p6.bubba is p3 the rest are p1. They were a really good team and got all the gens done but I played slightly better and found hatch and got the last person. They played well and looped well I thought I was gonna get 4 outted but they were too altruistic and my survivor backpack build carried literally. No regression, slowdown, lightborn or Franklin's needed

I agree with these points! Mainly, the meta will always exist and players will find it but how cool would it be for every perk to be balanced, playable, enjoyable for everyone. Playing killer can be a headache as you’re racing against time and juggling 4 people, even one flash light save or rescue can drastically change the pace/outcome of the game. For me luckily I enjoy a challenge/ I’m competitive so it’s fun

I do 2 things : 1.Slug everyone to death and the last one I hook to make some bp. 2.I camp from far away with Hillbily and the chainsaw revved at 90% constantly. WHY? Because when I tried to play normal, survivors would constantly bully me by destroying hooks, camping me while I pick survivors up to instantly flashlight me. Also what do you do when you find the recently rescued survivor and there is nobody in the area? Oh sure, you can't put them down cause they have "anti tunneling protection". No, I refuse to give survivors a good experience. I will abuse the game and make this the worst unpleasant experience for them.

As a Killer main, I play Survivor due to experiencing the other side of the tracks... that and get into their mindset so I know what to expect. As for Slugging, it is a strategy. Same goes for Survs that go Sabo/Boil Over. I'll slug a little to apply pressure, and use that time to push Gens or Hook saves.

It's kind of hard not to be forced to sweat when most survivors play like they'll die irl

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I would like to add that one of the biggest problems for killer players is the wild variance of the strength level of the killer characters. Characters like Trapper, need perks like Corrupt Intervention to allow time to set up, then they also need several slowdown/ regression perks to keep from getting washed-out. Then in the same game if you use a killer like Blight or Nurse, with that same load out, you will most likely steam roll the survivors. I was shocked when they nerfed regression perks and even more baffled by buffing sabotage strategies. And now with how Brand New Part add-ons work, plus Sable's basement invocation (can't remember the name), and the new Tomb Raider perks that allows you to take charges off of gens, they'll be finishing the gens faster than ever with no counter play because it removes charges to finish the gen

Thank you so much for understanding

do you think basekit corrupt intervention would be a good idea? i think it would be a good start since the hardest time to get pressure as a killer is when the game starts and you have to find people, its kinda sad when you get an insanely quick first chase and down and 3 gens still pop anyways, it really breaks your mental for the rest of the match aswell

Yesterday I was playing with two friends, having fun and running meme builds (I was literally running Chemical Trap, Champion of Light, Windows and that one Haddie perk that gives blindness), we were losing every match but atleast we were having fun. That was until a Doctor came in, with Knock Out, the deer perk that lets you see downed survivors, ruin and the perk that makes your terror radius bigger. He didn't hook ANYONE, he started downing us, camping the downed person until they were rescued or bled to death and we were so BORED and totally fed up cause we couldn't do anything, not even loop cause he was just camping us so we couldn't get picked up nor bring him to the other side of the map. We gave up and had to wait the whole 4 minutes so we bled out, and the guy had the guts to say "gg"? Bruh. Also, just to clarify, me and my friends probably have pretty low MMR (we don't play to escape) and we still get matched with pretty try hard killers that run meta perks and just make some games miserable by camping the first person hooked at 5 gens, or stop a chase with someone injured just to come back to hook and tunnel the sh*t out of the unhooked person... And we refuse to run the same exact anti tunnel/anti camp perks just because killers decide to be an a*hole and so we can't use the perks we want to have fun with :( I'm just saying that I know survivors can sometimes make matches that are impossible to win, but atleast you are still playing the game as a killer, looping and hooking, etc. When killers play the slugging, camping or tunneling game there's no game to be played cause it's just SO BORING I literally grab my phone and start playing games on it until the match ends... We ended up so exhausted from that game that we stopped playing for that day...

This video helped me be a better Sadako main. Thank you for posting this video

The snowball potential every killer has mid match is insane. I just lose a game where only 3 people were on 1 and we had 1 gen left but because of star struck and friends till the end wraith was able to come back and kill us all because if we didn’t heal and rescue our team we would be 1 tap. He didn’t slug or camp. He just did what killer are supposed to and kept downing and hooking. We had no chance to do gens. And even if we did we still had to open gates and possibly rescue who was on hook. And the worst part is we couldn’t even tell each other a plan to get out of it because there is no communication. So sure gens getting done is bad but all it takes is 1 death, or fast pasted ping ponging between injured and downed survivors to make a comeback as killer. 1 gen slowdown is manageable but 2 or 3 makes it impossible for survivors to win. Literally impossible. Because it’s not like the perks hinder certain aspects of a killers power, nurse can still blink and teleport blight can still run vecna can still use 4 different spells. On top of the gen slowdown.

For me the biggest problem on DBD are the SWF, this game was not created around 4 survivors communicating throughout the game, they are also the most toxic of all because in my case when I start to beat them as Killer they simply let themselves win or disconnect, screwing the game to the other survivor/s who are playing alone. I would like people who play in SWF to have some penalty like repairing slower or having their auras revealed to the killer from time to time to combat them being on a Discord call.

I play primarily Sadako and Adriana, Spirit, Legion and survivor occasionally, and I've always been pretty sweaty, however I don't slug unless they're in comp corner or I'm going after their friends or it's a bot

Played at 3am once and met a sadako 3 times with iri addons that just built up condemn and morid everybody

Not only killers but when I play a killer is basically a swf 3 out of 5 matches. I get 2 gen dones at the same time

Honestly this is why I just headon on Survivor. The game has gotten way to sweaty. Both sides are making it worse. I try to get 100 headons a night. I set a goal and do everything to get the headons. I know im not making it out the game and with this pressure gone its all about working together to get more headons. Most killers I go up against respect and like what we are doing.

You have my respect for choosing the Mirror‘s Edge Soundtrack as background music choice!

i stopped using gen regression perks a long time ago and focused on learning killers basekit and ending the chase quickly. it took a while to get wins every game but it's rewarding in the end when u master any killer u want to play. I don't tunnel but when a survivor take hit after getting unhooked and try to force a ds on me, i slug them. After all, it's just a game, there is no need to sweat every game.

its actually crazy how survivor sided the game is XD

The one thing I've always pointed out, is no matter how hard BHVR nerf gen regression perks, it will never fix the issue with them, people can and will still use gen regression in mass or play in ways that are less fun. It does nothing but make the problem worse. Killers right now have less options than ever, and the most builds that are 'viable' still have glaring issues with them, people will always choose the path of least resistence, which is either playing 4 gen stall tunnelling right out the gate, or slugging everyone to death. Now that's not to say gen speeds are the issue, its quite the opposite. I think gens as they are right now is perfectly fine, and this is coming from a killer main that adamantly refuses to run gen stall only ever bringing ONE on a killer I am less comfortable with or need something very specific, wether it be a tome challenge or a specific daily killer ritual I'm really bad at doing. I will personally still die on this hill, the problem with gen speeds are the perks that allow gens to go faster, thats right, I'm ignoring toolboxes for the most part and gen speeds without items, as its mostly subjective and I'm not in enough of a position to argue whether they are too strong or too weak, since I mostly play without items, though I still think the commodious has no rights being better than the mechanics + purple toolbox. Toolboxes ONLY become an issue when combined with specific perks, which are becoming more common place than ever. For example. Deja Vu is personally a prime example, it was a rushed out the door addressment to 3 genning before the regression limit was ever put in place, in my personal opinion, its overstayed its welcome, it served its purpose but its been left as is. Stake out seems to get a lot of vitriol especially when combined with perks like hyperfocus, but for me I think its fine, if it were to be tweaked I think bumping up the time to gain a token to 25 seconds would be a decent middle ground without removing what it does. Hyperfocus on its own much like stake out, is fine, because its very hard to maintain those maximum stacks due to how fast and laggy skillchecks can get with it, but when combined with stakeout and toolboxes, its way too damn fast. Resilience, Now coming from someone who used to be a vault build enjoyer, I still think resilience is fine-ish, I don't think it should be rewarding you with gen speed for staying injured, because in my experience, its caused me to lose more games than escaping them from my teammates over-relying on resilience to get gens done. I could go on with a lot more perks to name, but I'm not gonna make this comment any longer than it needs to be, I just think that perks that offer increased gen speeds either need to be toned down without completely butchering them and making them unviable, or BHVR needs to start reworking and tweaking more survivor perks so survivors feel less of a need to bring builds to counter act 4 gen stall andy's + slug boyo's before they can get the ball rolling. Resilience is the only one I wouldn't change let alone nerf substantially, since its one of the few where its effect is minimal but has a massive risk on top of it, but some perks have way too much of a benefit to outweigh its risk compared other options. Either give gen progression perks a penalty for their usage or tone them down, that's how I see it really, whilst at it buffing up or reworking niche, unusable or down right bad survivor perks that never see any application.

I was running a meme build on killer and I only had 4 hooks endgame which was fine bc again, meme build. However a TTV and 3 other randoms were clicking their flashlights and bagging at the gate. I didn’t do anything toxic so I was confused. Their builds were meta. DH DS etc. But if I ran double or triple gen regress and won, I would’ve gotten messaged. It’s wild out here.

Good video, definitely feel as though the pendulum has swung towards survivors, playing killer is just rough. As a pig main (I’m not high mmr), my chase times are just super high and I’m just never able to get a full win before the last gen is either available or finished. Then again, I don’t tunnel and I try my best to not slug

Dbd is time management, you have to force survivors to stop so you can do things

all the killer nerfs and survivor buff make killer harder and harder

I hear that mirrors edge theme, love those games

It’s so weird because gens feel like they take forever as a survivor but as a killer they just fly by so fast. Hard to balance it.

I couldn't agree more with this random recommended video, but I can't overlook the fact that you play chess merchant. I hate that killer so much I'd rather get slugged every game than to meet her once every 20 games. Skull merchant in my lobby = insta dc

if killers are gonna keep running slowdown, imma keep running speedup 🙏

The solution to this matter was the final mori sistem, but it got scrapped for no apparent reason. The only bad thing about that change was the base kit unbreakable, other than that the fact that the game ended when every survivor where incapacitated was so good imo. We need to say tho that the meta now is much, much better than years ago, still needs changes tho.

The main issue with slowdowns and gen speeds is how big of a difference there is between the top killers and the bottom killers

If I get all survivors down I almost always bleed them out, and if I don't I usually regret it. As you say, you get the random jumps off hooks, Deliverance, and all the tricks and anti-hook perks. So often in the end screen you see they had Flip Flop, Power Struggle, Boil Over. Also if the team does a lot of sabo and blinding, I'll start bleeding people out, or if they run Boilover and deliberately go down in high places.

so while i dislike the whole "you are just a main" argument, your reasoning dosnt really proof anything? mostly cause Prestiges can be obtained by playing either role and just dumping bp into the other

I know this has nothing to do with the video but I wanted to say the Mirror’s Edge Catalyst music in the background made me nostalgic for the simple times lol

You know if you get slugged with anther teamate don't just sit there start crawling

Genrushing is too meta, and in return tunneling is more favored. We need some sort of fix like making generators take longer to finish.

I would agree if it weren’t for evidence that killers will still tunnel and proxy camp despite perks from killer or survivor. Best example was the supposed to be fun Lights Out Event. No perks, no items with sweaty addons. Just spooky game play. What did killers do? They tunneled, slugged, and camped. At a certain point, you can only blame killer behavior not on perks or items, but on the mechanic that tunneling and proxy camping rewards the killer until their MMR puts them into a category of survivors that counter those methods better. Then they whine that the game is survivor sided, despite maps getting smaller with worse pallets, despite healing and endurance nerfs, despite killers getting free hits at windows 75% of the time. Heck, killer mains even started whining the anniversary event was survivor sided.

i totaly agree with all you said, i play both side too, and yes, survivor is sooo easy and you have a lot of perks to do whatever you want basically, killers have to play in the same way and with the same perks every game because if you dont, you lose

Very well made video, it explains the situation in dbd in the best way possible. The devs will not listen, but at least the community understands the killers frustration when playing the game

Mirror's Edge music.

As terrible as I am at Survivor, my escape frequency has positively tripled, so perhaps I shouldn't complain and main Survivor until BHVR reverts some of the excesses of the gazillion generator regression/defense nerfs... BHVR clearly understands how to balance individual stats, they do small increments on those, but they don't seem to realize what happens to effects that synergize or otherwise strengthen each other when you do ALOT of those small changes to ALOT of different things.

Leaving my input as a 1k hour Billy main who plays very competitively (slugging, using techs, tunneling, etc.) I don’t personally do it because I need an ego fix and must dominate other people in a video game. I do it mainly because I’ve found the skill expression in dead by daylight is some of the most fun I’ve ever experienced out of a game. Not only that but winning feels especially fun it feels almost cinematic especially when there’s one gen left or even none. Having everything In your hands to fix your own problems leads to a lot of proud (and disappointing) moments, when you get a 4K YOU specifically feel that sense of accomplishment because you don’t have teammates who could possibly carry you. It feels very rewarding and exciting. Now despite playing very competitively. I do my very best to be polite, never BM, and usually give the last survivor hatch if I’m not on a bp goal or a rift mission tells me otherwise. I have always said that in this game the other side isn’t responsible for your own enjoyment. Blame the game not the player you know? Accepting that is a good step into learning how to properly enjoy dbd, I personally don’t even realize when I’m going up against bully squads anymore unless they make it really obvious with like T bagging and stuff. I usually just assume it’s really good coordination from a swf. If you start treating dbd like a regular video game and don’t acknowledge that on the other side is real people (to an extent of course) you will learn to enjoy the game a lot more and that advice applies for both killer and survivor players.

When i was playing weeks ago i was playing mostly killer since well i am alone, only played survivor with a friend (due to disk space problems had to uninstall but that's other thing) I used mostly NOED (since that's the only actual GOOD perk i had, the rest was depending on my desire), when 3 survivors were about to escape full health they were t-bagging me, however they did not expect me downing BOTH and killing 1 of them, managing to get 2 kills that match. The survivor that i killed sent something in tags, which i am pretty sure was something not very beautiful. I was proud.

Oh my god. A video about the state of the game that's actually well thought out, reasonable, and understands what's going on and explains perfectly why things are the way they are. I never thought I'd see the day. Take my sub.

This is a gret video and brings up a lot of really good points. Well done.

i have legit stopped playing killer because i just wanted to have fun with this game again and being able to choose how much i engage with it has been a real cure, as survivor i can just throw myself at the killer in endgame when i feel like it and never have to worry about consequences, i started treating my teammates like bots and the killer like a person and that really made a lot of games much better

I'm so glad someone is speaking out about the balancing issues in this game. Tbh this is the main reason why I prefer the texas chainsaw massacre game over dbd lol.

Flawless video. Not that it was purely sunshine and joy before, but Killer has only felt like a chore since Vecna's patch.

Agree with bleed out acceleration if all are on the floor but wouldn't stop slugging for killers 🤷 people wonder why killers slug more while every game I play survivor as I see survivors trolling killers - so I just see this as a killers counter or way to troll back.

my slowdown of choice is mostly deadlock only, mostly with bbq and lethal and enduring or other goofy stuff like furtive chase/friends til the end etc depending on killer. if I feel sweaty I bring corrupt with deadlock, sometimes even eruption when I go for gen kick perks like machine learning or unforseen. but I consistently get survivors with big toolboxes, scavengery 2-3 deja vus which is just free 6% faster gens with no requirements, built to last, pts etc. whenever I complain about killers running 4 slowdowns I remember my killer games and understand why it's getting used. gen speed has been buffed recently to counter 3 genning as a bandaid solution. now that they finally nerfed 3 genning and all slowdown perks across the board....we still are stuck with the buffed genspeed. at the same time if I dare to slug for more than 10 seconds or I get an ounce of pressure on the survivors on a heavily survivor sided map that they also sent me to...they just give up on hook/DC/rage quit and ruin the game for everyone making ke question more and more whyni even GAF about survivor fun in the first place

SBMM too, every game is a total sweatfest at max mmr. No SBMM back in the day you had a variety of games some chill, most balanced and some sweatfest.

i find myself also slugging that ive actively tried to avoid i hate doing it its honestly just jeart breaking to play as my favorite killer now and just gens snapping in what feel like seconds and getting brutally sabo while at it maybe im a shit killer on top of this.but i will say ive had more wins as Survivor lately...i play both equally...and i suck at survivor now im sucking completely at killer.