Love this analogy!

Then you admit you have a different religion ! LOL 😆

@@davidjanbaz7728 From Jeff? Absolutely. Not only are our world views and translations of the Bible incompatible, we are also thankful this is the case. The more I learn about Protestant beliefs the more I see it. It’s evident in some pastors preaching how far one can go from Christ when using the spirit of man to interpret the Bible and not allowing the spirit to reveal or clarify anything. Religion from God is revealed. It’s always been that way.

​@@davidjanbaz7728 Yes ! Different to yours. Ours the same Christ Taught! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth... Every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ. They all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived.... Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John prophesied and said ,,,, "I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to PREACH to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord..." So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from God but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered by an angel, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! His name was Moroni who delivered the ancient divine scriptural record we have today as the Book of Mormon TRANSLATED by the prophet Joseph Smith containing the Everlasting Gospel!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by Christ Himself... Plain Simple Beautiful Gospel Truth!!!

​@@davidjanbaz7728 the same theology taught in the Bible (the Doctrine of Christ) is also taught in the Book of Mormon.. The Burger king of Anti-Mormonism (being as i understand it a "Reform Calvinist") has a completely different theology than is contained in the Bible, and as a follower, adherent, practitioner and promoter of such (reformed Calvinism), the theology he follows and ascribes to, is actually less than 50 years old - A much younger and newer theology than the so called "false Mormonism" he ignorantly attacks

Great analogy!

@@establishingzion688 thank you! :D lol

Mormonism has been [striking out ] to Historical Christianity for 190+ years!

Elohim also refers to human judges too. See Exodus 21:6 and 22:8.

Jeff is Right that YHWH God Most High is the only Creator God: but the other Elohim of Deuteronomy 32:8 in the LXX are called the Sons of God not the Sons of Israel ( human judges). These were given to the Nations as their gods and R the Pagan gods that R mentioned in the Bible. They were supposed to educate the other nations about YHWH but they instead liked being viewed as the Most High God and corrupted their nations into losing their knowledge of YHWH as God Most High: that appeared to Abram in Genesis 17 : 1 and who Abram says that YHWH is God Most High in Genesis 14: 22 to the King of Sodom. So both : Mormon and Jeff's interpretation of Psalm 82 as Dr.Michael S.Heiser article in the BYU religious journal points out : Jacob is trying to distort Dr.Michael S.Heiser's Trinitarian position that there is Only ONE God Most High and that humans can become gods ( Sons of God) in Deuteronomy 32:8 is not the Mormon view of actually becoming a God of there own planet creating humanoids like YHWH of the Old Testament who is the creator of The Heavens and Earth out of Ex Nihilo of Colossians 1 : 16,17. Theosis is ( like) God in Holiness not becoming A God as A Creator God Most High. Distortions don't take much as (A) in the New World Translation of John 1:1 in the JW Bible totally distorts Jesus as Equal to the Father as God and the Visible YHWH of the old Testament.

@@davidjanbaz7728 it really wouldn't be much of a different explanation. The word One in Hebrew is ichad or "compound unity". So look for it's uses. In Genesis Adam said "a man shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh" the use here is ichad or compound unity. So now we have evidence of two people being one without sharing the same body. We get to Deuteronomy "our Lord is one Lord" again ichad or compound unity. Then there's Jesus "I and my father are one" ichad or compound unity. So now you get to John 17 Jesus prayed for all of us "that they may be one as thou father art in me and I in thee that they may be one in us" ichad or compound unity. Paul said in Romans when we are redeemed we become joint heirs with Christ. Paul told the Corinthians that in resurrection our mortality is raised to immortality. You do believe all that I just quoted from the bible? If you're immortal and redeemed that makes you a god. So really whether you're latter day saint or Protestant it's the same thing. The only difference is the bible doesn't teach God's unity ends with the Trinity like Protestant minister's teach. So you can see if you're immortal and redeemed that can make you a god while there is still One God. The most high God. Ichad. Or compound unity. So if it's the same thing Then the question comes down to who actually has the priesthood. Catholics claim they got it from Peter who ordained Linus a Bishop and that authority has passed down till today's Catholics. Protestants recognized the apostasy of the Catholic church and protested and were excommunicated for it. Which means you would have had to have priesthood restored at some point. But there's no evidence of that restoration. Not until 1829 when the resurrected and translated Peter James and John ordained Joseph Smith and Oliver cowdry as apostles who rebuilt the apostleship.

Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8. Both translated 'judges" are from the hebrew "elohim." Those, I would contend, are the same "elohim" from Psalm 82. Human judges. They did not reach exaltation according to D&C 132.

@@mr400meter since when R human Judges in a Heavenly assembly! See: Dr.Michael S.Heiser video on why Jacob's Mormon and your interpretation is erroneous.

@@davidjanbaz7728 The text doesn't say "heavenly assembly." Go read the entire Psalm (it's really short) and ask how these are the same type of gods in D&C 132 who are considered "worthy." They clearly are not.

@@mr400meter dude, people watch this channel to increase our faith. We do not want/need people like you here to bash us. If you have legit questions trying to understand more we can answer them. But when you come off like that it is clear you are NOT seeking for truth. You are trying to tear truth down without even realizing it. Please just leave if you dont care for what we say or anything about Christs church.

@@lootingiv4058 Have you read any of Talmage's work in "Jesus the Christ..." regarding this issue?

Oh my gosh😂😂I can hear it without my eyes closed👍😂

Amen

He cuts Jacob off and goes on a tirad because he's trying to poison the well for his audience

@@oceancoast92657 yes and defend his indefensible stances

@@Killthesefears what then explain? corn ball...

I feel you brother. I too feel victim to his videos. I asked God to remove my blindfolds and re-teach me. I came out with an even stronger testimony of The Book of Mormon and temple work. I hope you spread your experience as often as you can. There are a lot of members who will greatly benefit from knowing where to find answers from someone who has experienced what they currently are.

I found many of his videos useful and faith-promoting, and my feed was filling up with protestant apologists who made lots of good points, and I wondered if there were any latter-day saying apologists. So I looked it up, and found myself on this channel. Of course, lots of anti stuff comes up when you search anything about the church, which is irritating, but it is what it is. I didn't know he was Calvinist until Jacob.

Jeff Durbin is a good debater. He is well versed in the Bible and has a designed track to try and lead the innocent down his Calvinist path. . He uses the Bible as his claim to authority. Just like the pastors of Joseph Smiths time. The same Bible that we use to state our position. A Bible a Bible. It’s not enough. That is the why there thousands of different churches. Authority comes from God and given to only those whom he chooses and it’s done by those who have been given that authority like Aaron by the laying on of hands. I can trace that authority back to Peter James and John who where given it by Jesus Christ himself.,

@@jeffreyturner4252 Your ignorance is overwhelming : The JST adds And subtracts from the Word of God ( Revelation) and The Book of Revelation says that is getting Joseph Smith cursed which is why he died! God's word is never broken without consequences!

@@davidjanbaz7728 Revelations!!!??? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth... Every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ. They all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived.... Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John prophesied and said ,,,, "I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to PREACH to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord..." So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from God but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered by an angel, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! His name was Moroni who delivered the ancient divine scriptural record we have today as the Book of Mormon TRANSLATED by the prophet Joseph Smith containing the Everlasting Gospel!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by Christ Himself... Simple Plain Beautiful Gospel Truth!!!

Great way to describe that! Wow!

Excellent point. Yes, and what father doesn't want their children to grow and progress like them. I want my children to experience all the joys, successes and happiness I have received. And guess what, I want them to become fathers too and have children of their own. And just because I become a father doesn't mean that I no longer need my own earthly father or that I completely kick him out of my life. My father will always be someone I look to gain knowledge and wisdom from.

Heavenly Father who needed to be Exalted like Jesus because he wasn't God from the Beginning makes it impossible not to have an infinite regression of gods literally begetting gods from your infinite Universe that Mormons believe because your gods didn't create the Universe from Ex Nihilo as Colossians 1: 16,17 states.

@@davidjanbaz7728 Now wait a minute. Somthn to consider! Jesus said somethn of His relationship to His Father! He declared.... " and I do Nothing of Myself BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN MY FATHER DO!" So Jesus declares He does what he has also seen his Father also has done!!! HMMMMMMMMM! Interesting. Right out of Christs mouth! End of discussion.... end of debate!!! And this??? Heres a scripture among many evidencing the Bible is NOT all God intended for us! The Apostle John prophesied and said! " and I saw an Angel Flying in the midst of Heaven bringing the Everlasting Gospel to Preach to the Inhabitants of the Earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord" Now why would God Almighty find it necessary to send an angel to Deliver the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel is already contained in the Bible! Clearly the Bible is not all God intended for us and the Bible does NOT contain the Everlasting Gospel! According to Johns Prophecy!!! In the Bible!!! We as LDS Boldly but Humbly declare the Angel John saw and Prophesied of? Was the Angel Moroni who delivered the ancient scriptural record we have today as the Book of Mormon translated by the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Church and Kingdom of God here on earth today!!! And the whole of so called Christianity Falls and Fails on this one Biblical Prophecy alone!!! And many MANY more scriptures!!! Say the same!!! Simple Gospel Truth!!!

@@davidjanbaz7728 nowhere in the Bible does scripture say God created everything from nothing. Matter is eternal ... cannot be created NOR destroyed. God ORGANISED Unorganised matter to organise Worlds without Number.... A potter CREATES an eating container or a water jug out of Clay. REMBRANDT CREATED works of art out of Unorganised paint matter using a paintbrush paint and a canvas. So it is with God. God did not create anything from Nothing. He ORGANISED ALREADY UNORGANISED, EXISTING MATTER INTO ORDER...and in the same sense as the potter or REMBRANDT....created or Organised matter. We know matter cannot be created NOR destroyed. Simple.... To say God proofed everything into existence from nothing is stupid and Non Biblical.... Consider this.... If God is without beginning or end and has always existed! Then what has God been doing throughout all time? God has been sitting around since forever till one day he decided to create this Earth and people this planet with people? To have us kneeling at His feet singing Him songs of praise forever!!!??? This is the be all end all purpose for all of His Works and Creation? This is the Doctrine of so called Christianity is it not? What a meaningless God to believe in! He IS our Father and he literally wants us all to become as He Is!!! Joking heirs. Just like his Father before him! Simple!!! The Glory of God is Intelligences!!!

Solid

No that is arrogance. Emotions are not belief. My great uncle is an archeologist and they don't pay attention to religion only facts. There is no proof. None . Facts don't care about your feelings. If there is ever one scintilla of proof they will be all over it. He reminded me j k Rowling wrote the Harry Potter books as a single mom in the UK on welfare. Brilliant imagination

@@andreatimmers1720 JK Rowling spent years writing Harry Potter and used editors and lore experts, and still messed up continuity, still has to issue author opinions after the fact. And that’s not to diss her creative genius at all. She’s incredibly inventive. What she does is not what JS did, though. Two different processes. Joseph neither wrote the BOM, used editors nor experts, didn’t refer to previous material, translated in a period of months (actual time spent translating even less), etc. There’s even less evidence for the “Joseph wrote it somehow” hypothesis than any other. It’s not claimed by firsthand accounts, not supported in the documents, no evidence. It’s a cope and a cop-out for those who don’t like the explanation as provided by witnesses.

@@DallasCrane thanks for being so civil. Still bottom line no scientific proof. A huge civilization would leave remnants behind. It's a work of fiction to me until then.

No, he actually did state what is official church teachings: Y aren't U believing those doctrines?

at least his god predestined him to do so. he's not ultimately at fault for it.

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. Jeff claims to love the lds people and community. He clearly hates Joseph smith and our religious beliefs, with a passion. You can clearly see it in his demeanor. He has a strong dislike for our faith.

@@thekolobsociety love what you say at the end about not holding the members accountable. It really came across as Nephites and Lamanites where their hatred towards the Nephites stemmed from what they were taught. God holds mercy towards those who have been taught incorrectly and very harsh judgement towards those who should know better such as the Pharisees.

Sad that Truth offens you but all cults feel that way! LOL at Jacob's CYA ing in regards to Jeff's comment on other Elohim ( created Heavenly beings) Ex Nihilo is a fact from Colossians 1:16,17 : Mormons refuse to accept the Bible as accurately translated and why they can disregard these verses of An Authentic Apostle of Jesus the Christ.

@@davidjanbaz7728 We do believe it is accurately translated. By Joseph Smith. Everyone who believes in the Bible thinks the version they read is accurate or their interpretation is truth. That’s the whole point. But God is merciful and simultaneously brought up a second record to clarify and bring to light which version is correct and continues to guide us so those who truly know Christ will never apostatize. You get it?

Joseph Smith's lies R dragging your soul into outer darkness !

God: I judge your imaginary gods to be guilty. But they don’t exist, so therefore, I’m punishing you in their place. Egypt: So basically for no reason at all? God: pretty much.

Jesus is God and you will be able to hug him:)

@@mkprr yeah and I'm gonna hug His Father as well. You know, the Son sitting on His right hand.

@@topazblahblah that’s cool, we know from scripture that the father can manifest as a man or as anything else he wants to manifest as so I am sure he will be glad to hug you too.

@@mkprr But that additional “modalism" cannot be found in the Bible, and is actually considered heretical by most Trinitarians. Makes perfect sense in the LDS Godhead, though, if “God” is a also a title that’s used to refer to other Divine Beings.

@@towardcivicliteracy modalism is the idea that Jesus and the Father aren’t distinct persons in any way. That isn’t what I was referring to. I think modalism is mistaken. God manifested himself in bodily form though in the Old Testament a few times, and also as a burning bush, and as a cloud, and as a pillar of fire. If God wants to manifest himself to man kind He can and He has done so in various ways in scripture.

In that text he is telling them not to make false Gods . Do not do that . They made gold wood etc. do not do that . I’m the only God you worship .

I don't either and I am from the hood

They used to engage with comments much more than they do now, I still try occasionally as I refine my points for them to review but they and their followers engage less perhaps that they have been told not to.

@@boltrooktwo Agreed but this is about having a discussion. A debate between these 2 would be great! Defend their position content creation is wonderful.

Love Jeff Durbin!

Yes, his religion is a business for sure. It's all about the dollar signs. I can only imagine how much he is making off his videos by trashing and attacking our faith and others.

Exactly...46-year-old, lifelong member seeing this too.

Who is the god that you do believe in?

@@Paul-rg4is We believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. Together, They are one Godhead, or one God. We pray to the Father, same as Jesus taught. The Father also has the name-title of Elohim, after the Hebrew meaning of "head God of the Gods." We don't have revealed to us exactly what that means. We do not believe that any one prophet, ancient or modern, was or is perfect at their job as prophet. We believe God is perfect at using imperfect people (us) to accomplish His perfect, holy will. However, since God forces no one to choose either good or bad, men and prophets and believers can stray from His will up to the points of His withdrawing His power/priesthood and blessings from the prophets and believers up to entire destruction, as with the great flood of Noah. Yes, we have several unique, "strange" doctrines (many of which DO have biblical bases in suggestive, corroborating verses--such as the three heavens Paul writes about). For me, a key take-away on the "strange" doctrines so widely criticized and argued about are that none of them are the core/key doctrines of coming to God with believing, humble hearts and minds, repenting and being baptized and seeking to do good and live uprightly. I don't count myself a biblical scholar/professor but I have studied it much and some parts intently. So easily and in basic ways, I see at least some parts of the Bible that contradict, phrases that don't fit (having clear language errors), and parts that are missing--clearly presenting a problem to any sincere student or disciple. I do not, however, let this lead me to reject the book or disbelieve its primary stories and characters, especially its central witness of Jesus in the New Testament. To me, The Book of Mormon--Another Testament of Jesus Christ is exactly that, a witness of the Lord from another people/nation. You do know that the prophets from the Book of Mormon itself know and state that the book is not perfect? I've studied it extensively and know it leads people closer to Jesus, same as the Bible. The devil is not going to inspire a book that esteems Jesus Christ as the Son of God and anointed and prophesied Messiah, Savior and Redeemer. You don't have to believe it...your choice. You don't have to believe anything from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the men we hold to be modern prophets and apostles. However, please know that debating the "strange" doctrines intellectually (by analyzing words and verses) is not going to be fruitful. Paul gave the key to finding spiritual truth: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." In my opinion, it is all the more believable to me that any and every truth, doctrine or witnessing book of God, God is going to leave, intentionally, room for doubt and disbelief. Which buildings break and crumble in earthquakes? Ones not just lacking basic strength, but any that are +too rigid+; strong but flexible buildings survive while rigid, inflexible ones fail and crumble. I can deal with spiritual ambiguity, unclear and even "strange" doctrines, doubts, etc.--++all sorts of flaws and imperfections++--because my core faith/strength is in Jesus Christ. One day, but not today, we will see as we are seen, will see all things and have no misunderstandings or confusion, etc. This life is a TEST where God won't give us an open answer key (or else no longer a test) that we can run through a copy machine and pass around, easy-peasy, plain for disbelieving (searching the way natural men do) and believing (spiritually sensing) alike to see. The invitation about The Book of Mormon (and for the story of Joseph Smith and for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) is to read it and ask God its truth; the invitation and challenge is to learn (discern) +spiritually+ (not intellectually or by "the natural man")--you individually, direct from God and not from my words, anyone else's words or through any specific study or debate--its truth (and the other, associated truths). Please, the crux of the matter is not scriptural and doctrinal debate but hearts with love for God and humble study and prayer.

What about Adam according to Brigham Young?

@@mr400meterwhat about it ? There is no Adam God theory . Brigham young knows that Adam is not God and does not teach that .

He SAYS he loves Latter Day Saints and is all teddy bear toward LDS people, but the truth is he is a former MMA fighter. What he really loves is to win!!!!

Was it in the live-feed?

Which one . Proof? He pretty much talks baby talk to LDS. if you make a claim back it up otherwise it's false

​@@geoffshelley2427yes all 5 X black belts are killers. My brother was an army ranger is he bad too?

Calvinism is messed up yes but lots of Calvinists are awesome loving Christians in spite of their strange doctrine.

They'd just say that God hasn't regenerated your heart so you can understand TULIP. Their confirmation bias is insufferable.

But you R OK with Hitler accepting the Mormon Gospel in the Afterlife and being in the Celestial kingdom! LOL 😆 Y R U being baptized for people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao , Muhammad, etc.

@@davidjanbaz7728 No, I'm not, jazzband, no I'm not. Knowing that Calvinism is not the true gospel doesn't mean I think bad moustache man has the truth either. Poor reasoning on your end.

@@wes2176 your talking about Joseph Smith's wes dreams : you need to talk to your bishop !

Yes!!! Pluralistic for sure!!!

How dare you use words according to their original meaning and purpose!

@@KnuttyEntertainment you know how to distort those words very well!

Well, they did lie.

@@mr400meter Yes, so did the accusers.. so why throw the first stone?

@@SimonDaumMusic Come again? Don't you believe lying for the Lord is a righteous thing?

@@mr400meter Well, we certainly agree that it was not right for the Elders to lie in that manner, but when you honestly think about it, their lie did not really cause any harm to anyone at that point, whilst putting them for that lie to public shame, accusing the church and its members that this kind of behaviour gets systematicall taught, does cause a little more harm, I would say.. Christ made clear that we get judged the way we judge, and to condemn the one, because it comes from a Mormon, and to justify the other, because its against a Mormon, may serve the own ego "of feeling saved and choosen above all the others", but it certainly is not what Christ would do.

@@SimonDaumMusic Lies don't have to cause harm for them still to be sinful. Question: Have you read "The Miracle of Forgiveness" by Spencer W. Kimball? I recently finished it.

How do Orthodox Christians define the Trinity in relation to each person? Do they believe Jesus and the Father and The Holy Ghost are equal in every way (divinity, power, authority, essense)?

I’m so tired of Protestants and evangelists. They’re spawn from a corrupt catholic tree and their beliefs are rooted in shallow sand. It gets so boring to hear

how can you share essence (which is divine) without sharing divinity? that is contradictory if we are using their terminology.

@@alejandrovalenzuela377 I did not mean to write essence, my apologies. We becoming in union with His energy. To take part in His essence would be contradictory. Thanks for catching my mistake. I’ll change it

@@jacobsamuelson3181 The Father as the only true God is the sole source of both the Godhead and of the Trinity. Thus, when Holy Scripture calls him the only God or the one God, it means that the Father has a superior status, not superior ontology. The Father possesses the single Godhead (divine nature) from himself for no one gave it to him but that the Godhead just is the Father. The Father being the origin of the Son and the Holy Spirit is superior to them in function because (a) they came from him and (b) the divine essence they possess is his own essence. In this case, it logically follows that since they share the same numerical essence (ουσια) with him, they are not different Gods but one God (by nature) with him.

Ummmm... What are you referring to?

He was only wrong in fearing that many members wouldn't understand certain historical conclusions (pick your word). The new members could barely understand all what Joseph Smith taught. It's a delicate discussion but the day of test of testimonies is coming soon.

@@whatsstandard in the video they alluded to Bruce McConkie being wrong about some things.

@@WatchingwaitingG2D thank you :)

Depends on which Mormon apostle you read. The answer by many is "yes."

Hi Chris. You’re an idolator.

Yip

the "destroyed jeff" speech, regardless of being figurative, is disturbing. same for both "sides". we shouldnt be trying to destroy anyone

I don't care to much about the numbers I look at the character of faith

Nonsense. You can't be serious. If what you say is true, it would have happened a long rime ago. When have you ever seen a prophet or apostle debate Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, or Pat Robertson??

Well, to be fair, like with Leftists, you can't expect people who aren't objective and of good character to actually "change their mind" when shown superior and actually truthful arguments. People are "invested" in their ideologies.... And to be clear, I judge Apologia as lacking character because True "Christians" don't bear false witness. They may disagree with others, but Anti-mormons like they serve a special "god", aka the bad one. Because the True God doesn't misrepresent, and willfully others.

@@christophereasley7336 It's a debate.

Stooooopidity.... but thats what they teach and believe .... They also teach we are all PREDESTINED!!!

Just yesterday, a Protestant friend I’ve been talking with sent me a video Jeff made a couple days ago responding to you and David Alexander’s video talking about Jeff confronting missionaries on the street with Isaiah 43:10. Jeff does the same thing there he does here.

@@KnuttyEntertainment haha, I saw that was out there, I only skimmed one of the two they did. Maybe I'll watch the whole thing one day. You gonna send this video back?

@@lukehanson_ Yeah he asked me for my response to Durbin and I linked them your vid, this vid, and Heiser’s vids.

I don't know about that, Luke. In my readings of the OG Mormon apostles and prophets, I see today's LDS members unaware of the things once taught and believed. Heck, I've had on numerous occasions Mormons tell me things that flat out go against things Bruce R. McConkie wrote or Spencer W. Kimball. Even though I'm not Mormon, I lean towards what they say more authoritatively, especially because they both did an excellent job of making their cases from the standard works.

Yes and God uses us to sharpen them

Take this with a grain of salt, since im basically pulling it out of my ass, but i always figured the other gods were previous iterations of earths past. We know we're part of a cycle, since we believe God was a man at one point, and that he then became a savior at one point until he progresses to become the "TOP G" god. Just my take, again im not claiming this is the gospel or that we (latter-day saints) believe this.

Biblically he is completely unique, the “mono theos” in John 17:3 the “only tru God”

@@Mikha335 nah fam

@@MichaelGMoney your infinite regression of gods is more like Hinduism than Christianity!

@davidjanbaz7728 and your lack of understanding of what ancient Hebrews believed (not monotheism) is like ridiculous. The Israelite and Christians of old did in fact believe other gods existed, else why would they refer to God as The Most High? The most high of what? How can you be the highest ranked being if there are no other God's? See the difference is that they didn't worship the pagan God's. Same as we ONLY worship God the Most High. Just because your friend has a dad doesn't mean you call him your dad right? Your dad is your dad and he's the only one that you revere as a father. You can cling to your beliefs all you want my friend, but try not to throw shit at other people's beliefs yeah?

I have never heard of Holly ghost

​@@andreatimmers1720 @mahonri69 meant to say "Holy Ghost" which in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is just an interchangeable title given to the Holy Spirit and it (the Holy Ghost as a title) is just as valid and good for the third member of the Godhead as is the "Holy Spirit" as a title. Obviously English is not mahonri's first language but he's trying and I believe he will get better at it with time and practice to where he could be fluent. But he is actually mostly understandable. So anyway, I think a little grace shown to him would go a long way in helping him be confident in learning English better and help him be better overall in everything. And it would certainly help him feel better with everything in life. And isn't being gracious and kind one of the points of living a good and loving life? I think so. Now I am far from perfect and I fall waaaayyyy short of the glory of Christ. And I know full well I am going to stumble a lot more in the future in my journey through life and in my desire to walk with God. So I am no better than you and probably far worse. And I realize you were just being curious as to who this "Holly Ghost" is but we should really cut mahonri some slack. Ok? God bless you and yours and take care.