The ULTIMATE Raspberry Pi 5 NAS

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See you at Open Sauce June 15-16! Apply to exhibit here: opensauce.com/exhibits/
Radxa's Penta SATA HAT fits nicely atop the Raspberry Pi 5. Can I use it to build the ultimate Pi 5 NAS? Or will we run into issues?
This video is not sponsored, neither Open Sauce nor Radxa paid anything, nor did they have any input into this video-however I did recieve the Radxa Penta SATA HAT featured in this video for review, as well as the Pineberry Pi boards.
My build included the following (some links are affiliate links):
- Raspberry Pi 5 8GB: www.raspberrypi.com/products/...
- Radxa Penta SATA HAT: radxa.com/products/accessorie...
- TMEZON 12V 5A Power Adapter: amzn.to/3vB7dPR
- SanDisk Extreme 32GB microSD Card: amzn.to/3J2Cf6n
- Samsung 870 QVO SSDs: (NOTE: these went way up in price... I would recommend cheaper 2 or 4TB SSDs instead) amzn.to/4cI1fO4
- ThirdReality Zigbee Smart Plug Gen 2: amzn.to/4azSfbI
You have two options for 2.5 Gbps networking, if you want it. First, for all PCIe, and stackable boards:
- Pineberry Pi HatBRICK! Commander: pineberrypi.com/products/hatb...
- Pineberry Pi HatNET! 2.5G: pineberrypi.com/products/hatn...
But that will downgrade the PCIe connections to Gen 2.
The second option keeps Gen 3 speed for the disks and gets slightly better 2.5G performance (in fact, slightly better than the switch), using a USB 3 2.5G Ethernet adapter. I used this Plugable 2.5G adapter: amzn.to/4cGPxmF
Guides I referenced:
- GitHub issue with full build details and benchmarks: github.com/geerlingguy/raspbe...
- Blog post on macOS Finder Samba slowness: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Create a RAID array in Linux: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Create a Samba share on Pi: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Set up OMV on Pi: wiki.omv-extras.org/doku.php?...
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Contents:
00:00 - The Ultimate Pi 5 NAS
01:35 - YOLO this thing
03:51 - Assembly
08:14 - (Don't) release the magic smoke
10:08 - Software setup - RAID 0
12:59 - It's hot
15:05 - Benchmarking RAID 0
16:54 - Open Sauce
17:45 - Reads over writes
18:56 - 2.5G Networking
22:06 - But is it faster?
23:33 - OMV + ZFS Setup
27:42 - ZFS Performance
30:37 - Oops.
31:17 - DIY or Buy?

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@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

A number of comments have asked about using a 2.5 Gbps USB 3 Ethernet adapter instead of the PCIe switch, which would allow me to run the disks at PCIe Gen 3 speed. I tested that with a Plugable 2.5G adapter (which is plug and play on the Pi 5), and you're right! I got 270 MB/sec writes for a 50 GB test folder, and 200 MB/sec reads. Check out the GitHub issue linked in the description for all the details. This little NAS just keeps getting better :)

@gustavrsh 2 ай бұрын

This is great! It's very compact as well. How do you think Pi RAM impacts on speeds?

@Faewks 2 ай бұрын

Would be interesting if you could combine it with the nvme hat and boot from a nvme. Should be more reliable and faster than the micro sd card?

@automatedrussianbot8043 2 ай бұрын

pi nas gonna be more expensive than buying a synology soon lol

@ragesmirk 2 ай бұрын

What's the RAM usage?

@Darkk6969 2 ай бұрын

@@automatedrussianbot8043 Not really. You're buying the parts that you can upgrade later.

@TristanHolley 2 ай бұрын

So it's a.... NASberry Pi!

@orangejjay 2 ай бұрын

I dunno, a Pinas has a better ring to it. ❤

@thedarb 2 ай бұрын

@@orangejjay If it were SCSI, you could call it a SNASberry.

@haydenc2742 2 ай бұрын

NASty Pi

@Melechtna 2 ай бұрын

@@thedarbDo the SNASberries taste like SNASBerries?

@thedarb 2 ай бұрын

@@Melechtna Oh they totally do! :D

@rangefreewords 2 ай бұрын

32tb NAS smaller than a brick, this is AWESOME!

@rangefreewords 2 ай бұрын

(2) 20TB HDD is

@rudeskalamander 2 ай бұрын

@Googleplaybinauthority and far lower performance

@renderedpixels4300 2 ай бұрын

@@rudeskalamanderin a raid 0, the performance would be able to saturate the 2.5g link. But then no redundancy.

@wytrzeszczwytrzeszcz7739 2 ай бұрын

What people do with nases that gigabit is not enough?

@rudeskalamander 2 ай бұрын

@@wytrzeszczwytrzeszcz7739 I know people who play all of their movies and games off a nas

@tramcrazy 2 ай бұрын

Jeff: ‘this won’t be as janky as my previous Pi NAS projects’ 20 minutes later Jeff: ‘I’m just casually spreading 4 PCBs across my desk with 3 different ribbon cables hoping that PCIe won’t break on me’ 😂

@acubley 2 ай бұрын

That's not jank, it's creative chaos... /bs (it's jank...pure unadulterated jank.)

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

Am I the only one in fierce love of these small-as-possible SSD file servers?

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

I love 'em too. Just wish they had their nice little metal case available, because I feel like that would complete this build!

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling I would have just gone full DIY and built my own wooden case. Non-conductive material, good looking. Maybe a few perforations and some small and quiet maglev fan on top at lowest RPM to cool the entire thing.

@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 2 ай бұрын

@@shapelessed You want a conductive material. Shielding is required for consumer PC's but because this is DIY it gets missed a lot. Processors put off EMI which can cause minor interference with wifi, bluetooth, etc and can cause other issues. That is why the FCC has guidelines, it's less of an issue the less energy is used but I'd still prefer some metal lining inside the wooden case. Plus if you're building an all SSD NAS might as well and make it as EMP resistant as possible.

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket I have already once built a similar NAS and the EMI has never yet been a problem, since the SoC only drew like 2W at highest and the drives were already shielded. But if it's such an issue, a metal mesh would probably be enough for any radiation the PI might produce. In fact, many small 4-port routers and APs commonly use plastic cases to help with signal strength, and they usually throw off more electricity into the air than the PI would.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

@@shapelessed I'd love to get a laser cutter and design some simple wood cases that can pop together. That or acrylic... someday. For now I do 3D prints for things I deploy more permanently, I might do that with this build.

@peterwroberts 2 ай бұрын

You gotta be careful not to say Pi NAS too quickly, lest we become confused about exactly what you're trying to build 😂

@gunsnmammons 2 ай бұрын

Big pi-nas fan

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

@@gunsnmammons Why. Just... why.

@Gamex996 2 ай бұрын

binance?

@xcruell 2 ай бұрын

change the "we become.." to "kids become.."

@humanbeing2730 2 ай бұрын

peenus 😂😂😂

@stinkertonsden 2 ай бұрын

Came here for the Pi NAS, stayed for the "I MUST HAVE IT" thermal camera. That snap on lens blew me away.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

It really is amazing for checking heat on a PCB. Love that feature.

@anonnona8099 Ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling > It really is amazing for checking heat on a PCB. Love that feature. They're also good for opening a keypad lock if you don't know the code. If you can access the lock shortly after someone has used it you know which pads they touched, and big hints about the sequence from how much each one has cooled.

@realtarun Ай бұрын

@@anonnona8099 do you where i can get that thermal sensor extension or how it is called pls?

@anonnona8099 Ай бұрын

@@realtarun IHNI - it's not my video

@yngxkk Ай бұрын

@@realtarun it's called 'InfiRay P2 Pro', costs around 250-300$ with different lenses

@SchoolforHackers 2 ай бұрын

My wife is going to be pissed at me spending so much time playing with my PiNAS. Thanks Jeff.

@UncleChisel Ай бұрын

This may be the single greatest comment 😂😂

@talbech 2 ай бұрын

Jeff, you are simply becoming the go-to guy in the RPI community. Best videos out there covering RPI related stuff. Awesome work. Keep it up.

@plica06 2 ай бұрын

Ahm, it's been that way for years.

@kevinshumaker3753 2 ай бұрын

Red Shirt Jeff has Jeff's mannerisms and voice down pretty well, and is not nearly as manic as 'normal'. Gotta be careful, he might be able to take over the channel!

@yetzt 2 ай бұрын

Juggling chainsaws, touching live wires, installing OMV... just Red Shirt Jeff things.

@b0ntr4g3r3 Ай бұрын

Is Yellow shirt Jeff normal? And where does blue shirt Jeff fit into this video. (Yellow 0:00 Red 23:35 Blue 30:35)

@nakfan 2 ай бұрын

I really like the relaxed style with fewer cuts 👍

@RuddODragonFear 2 ай бұрын

That 20 watt spike at the end of the copy was ZFS flushing the write cache of all the data you sent to write.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Sounds plausible! It's a lotta wattage though, must be hammering everything at once!

@RuddODragonFear 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling makes sense, if it's maxing out all disks and PCI bus riser at 100% CPU all cores for the checksum computations, rather than having to divide time in the PCI bus between writing bits to disks and reading from the NIC. a quick look with powertop should solve the mystery.

@virtual812 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling 20W is only a 1.7 amp load on that PSU I really think your 5A supply is overkill, thats 60 watts, plenty even for 2.5" mechanical drives. What we really need to know is how much power can the 12v to 5v reg on the SATA board handle, that will be the bottleneck. Plugging in a larger brick is not going to increase the capabilites of whats on the PCB.

@aGirts2015 2 ай бұрын

I've been checking thrice daily for when this would drop (as my penta hat has been in the mail for a week now). Thanks as always for the service you provide to the community Jeff!

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Ooh I also hear Michael Klements is working on a case design for this box!

@TaylorMadeMoment 22 күн бұрын

I had 0 idea what was going on this entire video but I randomly got recommended to your channel so I hope I can learn a bit more because I really like your way of explaining things.

@GuillaumePicquet 2 ай бұрын

Tip : tell kernel to clear caches between measurements `sudo sync` `sudo bash -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'`

@ur1friend437 2 ай бұрын

I think this was an extremely practical experiment. Also, I like to let you know that you don’t need to be practical with your experiments because I enjoy all your experiments and the more bizarre and impractical they are, the more I like them.

@Charlemagne89 2 ай бұрын

I would love a CM5 motherboard in the future which is loaded with SATA ports and networking so that we can do these experiments all in one place...

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Ditto!

@VinnyVidiVintage 2 ай бұрын

I love how you took something that you said was not going to be jenky like some of your Raspberry Pi 4 attempts, and ended up making it jenky anyway to get the 2.5 networking working.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Hehe the jank must happen!

@TechnoMasterBoy Ай бұрын

It was janky long before that, when he had to break off the fins on the heatsink just to fit the board that hold the SSDs.

@HaydonRyan 2 ай бұрын

Really loving the miniturization of these setups, size and power. It makes me wonder how well this would work in a Van. Seems like a perfect use case for portable storage on the go.

@jon1913 2 ай бұрын

Jeff bringing back YOLO for 2024. BTW, experimental with pi builds is my favorite content on your channel. Keep them coming!

@nekomakhea9440 2 ай бұрын

If your pi NAS is bottlenecked, then clearly you just need a cluster of pi NASes with a distributed file system to fix it!

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

I like the way you think lol

@SDWNJ 2 ай бұрын

Yellow shirt Jeff breaks fins off the heat sink. Red shirt Jeff: "He took ma jarb!"

@DigitalJedi 2 ай бұрын

Notice that yellow shirt Jeff still advised against doing it yourself. He's like a mellowed-out version of the real deal.

@joeisuzu2519 2 ай бұрын

Jeff, you are always very thorough & realistic. We thank you for that. Other channels, not so much. Sets you apart from others by a significant margin. Excellent video. Thx

@TomatePasFraiche 2 ай бұрын

This, this will be my first NAS project

@JamesMorgan08 Ай бұрын

I was so disappointed when you were doing the file copy with the Mac and benchmarking, glad you called it out at the end of the video lol, it actually has to do with SMB protocol and Apple. AFP/NFS on a Mac for benchmarking is totally fine, cheers

@robertoguerra5375 Ай бұрын

I think macOS does not support smb3… only smb2 I also have troubles with users and passwords Is there any complete guide to make samba or omv work 100% correctly with macOS?

@sprint955st 2 ай бұрын

I’d like to see a head to head with a similar priced/configured prebuilt NAS

@williamlopez448 21 күн бұрын

Thanks for making this video. I used to consider doing this when Raspberry Pi 3B+ was in vogue. It's good to see the equipment is catching up to what is needed for a fast connection. As it stands I currently use Synology NAS but I will keep this mind for the future.

@yalopov 2 ай бұрын

The year of Raspberry PI DIY NAS is getting closer and closer, I can smell it Awesome video

@tiestofalljays Ай бұрын

The year of the PiNAS.

@robertharker 2 ай бұрын

About cooling. Create a wider space between the boards. Get a wire wrap female header. Clip the leads to make it a 2x?? spacer and get longer hex studs to separate the boards. Provides better cooling for the Pi as well. Great video.

@MyTube4Utoo 2 ай бұрын

This is fascinating for this old man. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81 with a _massive_ 1k of RAM. I did buy the 16k expansion module though, so I was fine. *LOL* When I finally got a 'real' computer with a "mass" storage device, it was a PC /XT Tubo IBM clone, with an unbelievably large Seagate ST-212, 10 *meg.* (not gig) hard drive. Things have changed a bit. 😆 Thanks for the great video(s).

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

1K is good enough for everyone! :D

@helmutprokesch7293 2 күн бұрын

Well, for me, this is a very professional presentation that I have seen here. All the details immediately inspire me to build the NAS. I will report how it worked for me. Thank you very much, it was a pleasure to watch/listen to you.

@uelmills 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Jeff. Exactly the project I am planning to build this year. Your tutorials and documentation are fantastic.

@AA0Z 2 ай бұрын

This takes me back to the days of when I was building NAS devices with early linux distros and random hard drives. It was basically all trial and error. Learned a ton but man, did I spin a lot of wheels just split balling to see if I could make it work. I love these "let's just see if this work" vids.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

I'll hopefully start doing the same with some weird radio projects soon too :D Love your channel!

@shtthemnky 2 ай бұрын

Checked your blog as well Jeff. I'd feel quite proud achieving a such a NAS in that footprint. With a wood case perhaps even my wife would let me have it on display and brag about it. Keep on with the good work. Blessings

@TomaszStachewicz 2 ай бұрын

I've built a NAS with this hat and Rock Pi 4B (that was long before Raspberry Pi 4 and Rock 4B does have that nvme slot with a few pcie lanes) but with 4 3.5” HDDs. Wiring them with SATA extender cables was funny, as the Chieftec chassis I've used has separate SATA data and power connectors. The 5V power supply on the hat is adequate: the datasheet for the step-down converter used on this hat specifies a maximum of 10A. So that's enough for the SBC and the drives (the 5V line is shared with SATA power). Overall a very solid and well-designed product. Too bad ARM means being limited to OpenMediaVault. It does run solid on Armbian so no quarrel here.

@manukalias 2 ай бұрын

This is tempting to run a Faster and More Capable NAS. Thanks for showing everything in detail, I would call that barrel jack and heatsink issue a design flaw by the HAT Manufacturer. Time to plan a Pi5 as, I currently run a small OMV based NAS on Pi3B 😅😅

@MichaelKlements 2 ай бұрын

It's exciting to see such good results from the Penta SATA hat, I picked one up a few days ago and am working on a 3D printed enclosure for it and the Pi 5. I hadn't thought to try to add 2.5G networking, that's something that the Pi has lacked when compared to come RK3588 based SBC options.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Oh can't wait! Your enclosures are always ✨ Will you share the design on Printables? I would print it in a heartbeat!

@MichaelKlements 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling yes I'll share the design on Makerworld to print

@hoopnight4758 Ай бұрын

Don't forget the fan

@tonysheerness2427 2 ай бұрын

For most home users that is more than adequate and the small size is a bonus.

@lewsdiod 2 ай бұрын

Wow, amazing how many among channels from the Opensauce I'm following. Makes you think! But also, those I don't recognize might be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip. Also, cool NAS (figuratively, ofc)! Thanks for sharing! :)

@CreateTeen 2 ай бұрын

Love listening to these in the morning, starts the day right

@TradieTrev 2 ай бұрын

That setup was boarder line red shirt Jeff territory lol, guess that's what you get combining 4 different manufacturers into one DIY product. Excellent documentation as always!

@RickMyBalls Ай бұрын

boarder line?? wtf?

@jasonkay42 2 ай бұрын

I love this build! I have the Radxa Pi 4 Quad NAS as my home NAS right now, so once the case and cooling top HAT come out, I may upgrade. (I recently bit the bullet and backed a NAS Kickstarter for the convenience.) I wanted to check on, as well, on how you’re feeling. You look pretty good in this video, so that’s encouraging! (And, I completely understand that you’re sick of answering, “How are you feeling?” Even though people are well-intentioned, it can be a lot when everyone asks. So, feel free to ignore this question - I get it.) Thanks for sharing your experience with the new SATA HAT, though! I can’t wait to upgrade!

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Feeling great! My new medication's been very good, minimal side effects, and I've finally had a whole year with no hospitalization... knock on wood!

@jasonkay42 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling Oh, that’s amazing! Great to hear it, as it’s hard to ask for more than that!

@ryan.crosby 2 ай бұрын

Very glad to hear that this is using the JMB585, it's an extremely reliable controller with extensively tested Linux drivers.

@VelcorHF 2 ай бұрын

I’m super impressed by the extra ribbon cable.

@macg5srock 2 ай бұрын

Hey Jeff, I’m not sure what options you set up in samba but because Apple reasons there are a number of Apple specific samba options you need to set in order for SMB to be competitive on MacOS. It’s all a bit of a black art, but the main settings can make a really big difference before getting into the weird ones.

@EbbayaRocha Ай бұрын

Jeff, you're absolutely right. I've got an Infiray P2Pro too. The software isn't as slick as my Flir One Pro, but man, the image quality is miles better. Plus, it's a lot cheaper than Flir.🤣

@YasmainHurley Ай бұрын

Totally agree... but I reckon a software upgrade should fix that right up, then it'll be perfect.

@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын

@@YasmainHurley Hopefully... they seem to be focused on some new products this year, so I won't hold my breath for the software :(

@kychemclass5850 Ай бұрын

Tq Jeff. Re: Heat-sink mutilation.... I suggest people use extra or longer 'stand-offs' a.k.a. 'spacers' / 'hex-spacers' to increase the height between the two boards. If using a longer spacer, you'll probably need female-female spacers. If extending the existing ones you'll probably need a small male-female spacer.

@KarthikKumarViswanathan Ай бұрын

I was commenting about this on Twitter a few months ago. Now I actually see a sweet build here. Good Stuff.

@KarthikKumarViswanathan Ай бұрын

1 suggestion: slam a 3D printed case on this, so it can sit as a box and one can plug it into the router. Probably it's high time they started bundling this together.

@cyberlord64 2 ай бұрын

I don't even need to click on any links to know that it's already sold out

@lemon9.9 Ай бұрын

Surprisingly, the sata hat isn't sold out

@lemon9.9 Ай бұрын

More surprisingly, argon is accepting new order or raspberry pi 5 in my region

@user-rt9zq8rs9k 2 ай бұрын

Aha ! You're the reason there was a pi shortage !

@BigDrewski1000 Ай бұрын

This is a neat little device. Prefect for a content creator just starting out on their channel as its MUCH cheaper than a standard NAS that typically takes big 3 1/2 NAS drives. Yes, those SSD's at that capacity can be pricey, but if you're gonna be doing content creation of some form it seems like a reasonable investment to me.

@malekbadreddine9837 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. I was waiting for radxa to release a NAS hat for RPI5. I was running the RPI4 version for a a few years and it work like charm(over USB3). I hope they will make a case for it like for the previous version and to make the PCI cable longer in order to cool the RPI5 with a low profile ICE Tower, I was able to reach 3400MHZ and with temps under 65c

@syrus3k 2 ай бұрын

Jeff and Tom Stanton at open sauce.. well worth going. Except I can't nip over to the states so easy :(

@vinsan98 2 ай бұрын

I'm not in favour of Raspberry Pi tinkering for the purpose of NAS because, I just found these ASRock N100 motherboards with built-in Intel processors. It's basically a whole mini PC on a single board, for like the same price as a decked-out Pi setup with a hard drive and all those extra hats. Think about it: No more messing with software compatibility or overheating issues. This ASRock board is a simple, low-power option that comes with everything pre-installed like sata ports. Plus, it has regular PC connections like HDMI and multiple USB ports, so you can hook it right up to your monitor and peripherals just like the pi.

@gvasilakis 2 ай бұрын

What about efficiency tho

@vinsan98 2 ай бұрын

@@gvasilakis about the same as whole raspberry pi setup. My N100 board consumes 8/9 watts on idle.

@cipnt 2 ай бұрын

@@vinsan98 The Pi on its own will idle at about 2W I think, so a massive difference in efficiency for an always-on device

@vinsan98 2 ай бұрын

@@cipnt I don’t think raspberry pi 5 with above configuration will consume 2 watts at idle. In the video at 24:11 you can see it is consuming 8 watts idle.

@MSM5500 2 ай бұрын

Yes, the RPi gets a crap by all means. My 5 (five) years old Odroid HC4 board has got both native PCIe and SATA connectors right on board just for $70.

@guardian_bob7171 2 ай бұрын

My immediate thought when you enabled the SMB sharing was "oh, so they have improved SMB speed with Macs". Nice you caught that and retested with windows. I use sftp when pushing high volume data between Mac and Linux on the home network.

@magnawavezone Ай бұрын

MacOS Finder copies on SMB to samba in Linux can easily saturate 10G networking, but it seems (my working theory) is the finder is polling the remote server for updates a lot. So you need some addl CPU to handle the extra requests. Which likely the PI is running very close to its limits cannot handle without some slowdowns. Plus samba is single threaded per connection, so those extra requests take time away from the copy. But using a MacOS machine FOR benchmarking is real world if your intent is to use macOS as a client.

@mattcero1 12 күн бұрын

DUDE! Awesome "in person" format. What I and I think many would like to see is not only stacking hardware like you're doing at 20:00+ but also stacking applications on a Pi 5. For me it would be the NAS solution running Pi-Star as well. So this would take the board to connect the 4 SSDs as well as an MMDVM board with one or two antennas. So I'd have a NAS as well as a Pi-Star ham radio functionality. Can it be done?

@zambonidriver42 2 ай бұрын

RSJ with a 4” grinding wheel opportunity missed.

@RTheren 2 ай бұрын

Finally, Jeff's new PiNAS video. Can't wait to see his new PiNAS in action, doesn't look too hard to setup.

@michamohe 2 ай бұрын

something like this with a case could make for an awesome little travel nas to take with you

@netify6582 13 күн бұрын

Once out of box and with proper cooling, I'm buying. Great job!

@dmckrk 2 ай бұрын

Radxa ROCK 3A was perfect for this build, 2x pcie 3.0 and 1x pcie 2.1, ideal for top board and 2.5G ethernet, SoC is limiting RAID performace, but still well over 2.5G. setup uses about 8W (I'm running this it for a while). I'm using 4A 12V for power, less waste. eSata is yet another sata for 3.5" drive. Useful for external big hdd with power. Probably You are using OMV7 which moved mdadm to external plugin. That is why there was no such thing in menu, easy to add. Btw, more interesting is quad sata hat, uses two usb3 but has HW RAID. You will get pcie for 2.5g ethernet or even almost 10G. Also You can get opposite of that. Any RK3588 is way better, support pcie bifurcation so you can get 6x sata and 10G nic, already has 2.5G, wifi slot still free (another 2.5G nic or 2x sata, or coral tpu), also eMMC is just way better than sd card. Thanks for trying active cooler wit this hat so I dont need to reassembly mine with pi5, which I wanted to swap, but due to heavy jellyfin/plex problems its just bad idea.

@AdamHinckley 2 ай бұрын

Whenever you do the Pi NVR, could you do something related to how to back up the system, like the recordings to a NAS?

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

I've actually been working on that; I might only touch on backups in my first video explaining it. And that might come out next week, or the week after... finally started working on the video after having the testing done for like 2 months now lol.

@AdamHinckley 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling, good timing then, it would be good for you to touch on it and how to do to it, take your time on it though and do whatever is needed on it

@g4gxl 2 ай бұрын

Great video. I like the kit reviews, but that was good as well. Have made a note of that camp site - looks nice.

@yt.kirans 2 ай бұрын

Love it! Perfectly timed video as well as I’ve been thinking of building a compact RAID 5 NAS with nvme M.2 SSDs for the homelab and wondering daisy chaining using the HatBRICK! Commander could be an option. Looks like it might just work!

@porovaara 2 ай бұрын

Hey Jeff you keep accidently using nano instead of vi(m).

@MarcoGPUtuber 2 ай бұрын

The Ultimate KZfaq Channel Jeff Geerling.

@MJohonez299 2 ай бұрын

My Pi4 Nas is literally called PiNAS. Couldn't resist. It stores all my steam games and movies/shows. Works amazing.

@keyem4504 2 ай бұрын

This is indeed a nice project. Great to see how far the PIs came. ZFS on one of these, wouldn't have thought that that's even an option. However, for a DIY NAS I'd go with a used Server like a Fujitsu Primergy or similar for ~70€ and TrueNas. This will be better in every dimension except power consumption.

@AuntJemimaGames 2 ай бұрын

I've been considering putting a NAS together myself, and using a spare raspberry pi to do it. One of the major drawbacks I see is potential corruption of the SD card on power loss, then you're looking at either the additional cost of another drive to run it on, or a UPS to ensure consistent power delivery. It seems the benefits of the pi in this use case outweighed by how cheap and performant budget prebuilt machines are now. Pi is an excellent choice for other hobby applications, but it seems like the inferior option unless you're trying to achieve the highest possible power efficiency.

@Trains-With-Shane 2 ай бұрын

Linus had a pretty good video using that Rockchip NVME board. I think I like this solution being able to use 2.5" SATA drives due to cost per TB. Might have to build one of these! Well that is if and wen the Radxa boards show back up in stock.

@nukedragonx8682 2 ай бұрын

You see the new radxa rock 5C and 5C lite? A raspberry pi 5 competitor, price is less than the pi 5 with rk 3588 (5C) or an another version without gpu and with 6 core. (5C lite)

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

They look like good options, though at the same price points, the value is a little reduced. The 5C 2GB is probably the sweet spot if you want to get into that board, and don't need more than 2 GB of RAM. The Lite model is going to be a bit more annoying in terms of overall performance and desktop use, but could work out well in places where you don't need tiny desktop performance.

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

The issue with these PI competitors I find to be quite frequent is the utterly nonexistant software support. They either die off or shift the software support to some newer generations. There are driver issues and a bunch more problems. Sure, they are great, because they keep the PI foundation moving forward through competition, but I'd still pay a few dollars more to get a PI and a known ecosystem, with well-known and established software.

@makeitbetter9685 Ай бұрын

Woah, Open Sauce looks freaking amazing!

@simonsonjh 2 ай бұрын

That's a really nice little machine. It may become my next NAS.

@akurenda1985 2 ай бұрын

You should pick up the Friendly Elec NAS kit with their new daughterboard. 4x NVMe 3.0 1x slots and 2.5 GBe networking, all for less than $150.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

I have almost bought it a few times, but the total price of $180 or so including $40-50 shipping if I want it in less than a couple months keeps putting me off.

@SchoolforHackers 2 ай бұрын

Oh, I’d be interested in seeing that!

@Genesis8934 2 ай бұрын

You're a one-man Starfleet crew. Emergency Jeff Hologram maybe? Went from Operations to Security to Medical and back to Security :D

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@UpLateGeek 2 ай бұрын

Wow! You could already do anything with the old raspberry pie, now it looks like you can do even more with the 5! Once again proving it's the most versatile dessert ever. Seriously though, I'd like to see this paired with a 4 bay hotswap 3.5" drive enclosure and some spinning rust drives. I'm currently in the market for replacing my Synology, and while this doesn't come close to meeting my requirements, it could definitely be an option for a tech person with lower-end needs. But a future version could be more interesting next time I'm looking for a NAS, especially looking at the trajectory of SSD prices.

@EvanBoldt 2 ай бұрын

I’m really liking the Aoostar R1 as a NAS since the N100 is a bit more powerful, built in 2.5G, and support for full size hard drives.

@Gamex996 2 ай бұрын

asostor just dropped 12 slot m.2 nas, I think by far the most compact nas, and for that much 800$

@theodricaethelfrith 2 ай бұрын

I feel like those things are ahead of their time. Why pay €1000 for an 8TB M.2 NVMe SSD when you can get an 8TB SATA SSD for €400? Even a single SATA SSD should be able to fill a 2.5gE Ethernet uplink almost 2x over again, let alone an array of them.

@Gamex996 2 ай бұрын

@@theodricaethelfrith absolutely, 8tb price is absurd, you can find 4tb for about 200$ which somewhat reasonable

@Ironic-Social-Phobia 2 ай бұрын

A 2.5 gb USB 3.2 gen 1 (gotta love the USB consortium) network card may have worked, wouldn't impact the drives.

@deckardstp 2 ай бұрын

As far as I remember the implementation of SMB in Mac OS is not perfect. So I'm not wondering about the decreased network transfer speeds. Besides that. Your videos are always fun to watch. Especially when you're encountering issues and don't give up :)

@scott9435 19 күн бұрын

This was a GREAT video Jeff, thank you! My stuffs have been ordered!

@DaRanged Ай бұрын

I gotta ask, what's the performance if everything is encrypted?

@greensheen8759 Ай бұрын

Should be the same. Samsung SSDs support encryption at the hardware level now

@zyghom 2 ай бұрын

NAS=200$, 4x 8TB SSD=2000$, If I had 2200$ I would have added 300$ and got something much better than RPi 5 with its all limitations.

@TevisC 2 ай бұрын

You may want a very low power higher capacity NAS. I do.

@motmontheinternet 2 ай бұрын

Then don't buy $500 hard drives.

@strenter Ай бұрын

I might get the wrong impression here, but this looks about the only NAS to not only have the possible ability to fit within a big tower, but also can get powered by it.

@WhimsicalViper Ай бұрын

Maybe start off with 1TB and buy more later. Some things become great over time and not at once :)

@zyghom Ай бұрын

@@hugoleote did you read my comment? probably yes. Did you understand it? probably not ;-) - hint: "I would have added 300$ and got something much better... " - 500$ for the NAS without drives. And this is lots of money to chose something good, much much better than RPi5

@JohnnyMcMenamin 2 ай бұрын

Making a list and building one for myself. I'm happy to see a realistic PiNAS thanks to the 5.

@jollywgiant1760 Ай бұрын

This is a great idea! Think ill build one in the future. Great video btw, super well produced! :D

@davidmitchell7183 2 ай бұрын

As an alternative that is already here. Due to adapters, anyone can fit up to 6 ssds in a $50 Thinkpad T430 or $100 W530 if you want 32GB ram capability. To get the 6 drive capacity, you need to get 2 sata to m.2 sata x2 adapters for the main drive and cdrom replacement. Ali express sells pc card to nvme adapters so you can mount a 2230 or 2242 nvme drive in the pc card slot. Add a msata drive to the wwan slot and you are done. I'm not sure about the T430 but the W530 has raid 1, 0, 5 and 10 available through bios after 1vyRain mod.

@mglsj 2 ай бұрын

Finally we are approaching cheap diy daily drivable ARM based NAS

@Cyber_Gas 2 ай бұрын

But one of the 8tb drive ssd costs like 5 times the raspberry pi 5

@seshpenguin 2 ай бұрын

@@Cyber_Gas You can find stuff like the 1.8TB Intel enterprise SSDs used for decent prices.

@mglsj 2 ай бұрын

@@Cyber_Gas Can use hard drives though

@Cyber_Gas 2 ай бұрын

@@mglsj yes i know but like i meant he made it so expensive

@jeffflowers5489 2 ай бұрын

5:05 looks like a good time to attach any cooling apparatus you might choose to prevent smoke.

@LatticeDensity 2 ай бұрын

Really interesting setup, if one doesn't mind taking on the pain of setting up an ARM based NAS solution, this is pretty much as good as it gets, and for cheap. I have been doing a lot of research in this area as well, made a few videos too and generally always interested in finding cute little storage setups with huge capacities. I had a quick question, do you know if this SATA hat can be used directly through an USB/TBT interface somehow or can it be plugged to other computing boards (x86 as well)? Specifically, I was interested in learning the pinout details of the board which I couldn't find on their website. It would be really helpful if you can give details on the hardware specs of this SATA hat board which can have numerous interesting applications. Thanks again for the video!

@TechnicallyUnsure 2 ай бұрын

Great video, love it and you beat me to it, I'll be uploading my video later today, did the same thing with Raspberry Pi and Rock 5A.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Nice! I just ordered a 5C, Radxa's been making some great hardware... hopefully they can keep improving docs and support!

@TechnicallyUnsure 2 ай бұрын

@@JeffGeerling I completely share your sentiments. Lately, my purchases from them have consistently exceeded expectations, particularly the quality of their boards. I echo your hopes for their continuous improvement, particularly in enhancing their documentation.

@dioneto6855 2 ай бұрын

24:58 didn''t watch everything yet, but before i forget, in OMV7 the software RAID management (mdadm) was moved to the plugin "openmediavault-md", or so i've heard.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

OOOOH... so that explains why everyone's tutorial had it listed, but it's not in there by default? Seems a bit odd to take it out and not replace it with anything else for RAID, since that's my main use case for ever using OMV. The ZFS plugin seems mature enough, they could install that by default IMO.

@nurmr 2 ай бұрын

Also the documentation seemed to indicate that the drives needed to be wiped before RAID would work -- I'm not sure if that meant that the RAID option wouldn't even show up (I assume the plugin would need to be installed still though).

@minigpracing3068 2 ай бұрын

Have you looked into PTP clocks on Pi5 yet? From what I've read we might be able to use a GPS module and produce a stable PTP clock source due to hardware changes/additions. I might have a need to switch from NTP to PTP for sync on Dante AV transmissions and also if NDI ever gets to PTP sync as well. PTP is required for SMPTE ST2110 (as far as I know).

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's actually a topic I've been digging into lately. I just received a few devices which should help me with PTP debugging more, too!

@christelting1359 2 ай бұрын

It needs to be able to power each drive up and down as needed to minimize power usage depending on application.

@smolapril 2 ай бұрын

3:54 what are you doing step Geerling?

@shapelessed 2 ай бұрын

I want one.

@111elf1 2 ай бұрын

me two!

@MadeInJack 2 ай бұрын

Me three!

@alwynallan 2 ай бұрын

This seems perfect for a Ceph cluster. You could plug 4 into a switch and have a 5th at remote location, then configure for speed, redundancy, and offsite backup.

@aa-zj9hv 2 ай бұрын

An easy trick to get good readings from a thermal camera is applying a single layer of kapton tape. Known emissivity and so thin that its thermal conductivity has a negligible effect. Would work great for those drives.

@JeffGeerling 2 ай бұрын

In this case I wasn't too worried about the drives, the chip was my main concern. I've tested the drives in a few other systems and they always seem to run pretty cool (35-50°C). But the kapton tape trick is very handy, and I have three rolls in various thicknesses so I can put it on any reflective surface as needed. Also great for soldering. Kapton's wonderful stuff :)