Thank you

Tasha Komaroff brought me here

That's actually where I came from. I got curious and was looking for interviews. Too funny.

Tasha Komaroff Okay yes I Agree

Never forget Toobin Toobin’d his tube on a Skype call with his coworkers.. what a peeerrv lol

Yes. No one was inside her head. She was a 19 year old kid, just kidnapped, struggling to stay alive. Maybe she DID conform to their views -- it was that kind of era -- but maybe she was trying to live. No examination of the material will ever bring anyone inside her mind.

+The Stuport +Stoney Curtis +Cosmonauteable thats it kids drink the koolaid, you 3 know whats *really* going on....

LOL....I've got my Tin Foil Hat on so the "koolaid" won't bother my system at all.....Cheers Slick

Agree with The Stuport. He isn't her, he wasn't even there, he's never even met her. And he doesn't have a book if he concurs that she was brainwashed, so he has quite an axe to grind...

I think when some of us are very sheltered and end up in scarey, what we believe to be life threatening situations, we will betray ourselves to stay alive. Part of that was Patty convincing her kidnappers that she agreed with them on everything. Stockholm syndrom is where you actually do. It takes a very fragile very broken mind and I don't buy that this was her. They had her convinced only that she would never be found or rescued which imho supports her choosing to be so submissive. I am not saying she wasn't raped but simply she felt like it was an environment in which it didnt even feel safe to voice her own thoughts let alone have thoughts of her own.

Elizabeth Smart is another example. If you see Dave Chappelle skit on her vs the 7 year old who was kidnapped the same time. Smart was 15... Left alone & could have walked out the front door at anytime. Only 7 miles from home for 6 months. She had no street smarts. She was from a wealth family (Hearst). Being closeted will do that to you. However that 7 year old wasn't broken yet. She still had a child's view on right & wrong & knew to run when you're scared. She didn't understand the finality of death. She wanted to go home. It was much more simple to her due to her age. She chewed through the ropes & was home that night. End story. It never made the news because we glorify these victims who have more complex cases when instead they should be sent somewhere to get help professionally & the "smart ones" no pun intended should be given the attention so anyone else knows what to do. We have it so backwards & that actually helps perpetuate the victim culture.

stockholm syndrome is a type of indirect brainwashing though when you think about it. Psychological trauma that forces somebody to build connections with their captors and empathize with them? Same ballpark.

Stockholm syndrome is just media buzzed thing. it's not real, you don't just easily get brainwashed unless you yourself has been believing into the same thing as your kidnapper. it's complicated.

@admin sucks That's bullshit... To brianwash someone is very easy if you're willed to rape and torture a person over a longer time.. And yes, Stockholm Syndrom has been made into a pop cultural bullshit buzzword, but there are studies about it and in 8% of als abductions people got positive feelings for their abductors. The question is why any individual felt like that and I'm sure the definition of what's meant with Stockholm. Syndrom won't fit on more than the half of them.. Anyways.. It's a live threatening situation and that over days, weeks, months.. There will come a point where you do anything they want, just in the hope to stay alive and that they won't hurt you anymore or not more than they still do..

It's full of suspicious white liquid.

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'Brainwashing' really doesn't exist outside of perhaps a trip to the CIA. Hypnotism does exist, but the subject has to be willing.

Stolkhome isnt brainwashing exactly it's a potential psychological reaction to abduction. It's very easy to induce. Isolation combined with kindness when they take you out of isolation with a couple other things in the mix. It's a type of conditioning but not brainwashing exactly.

Sick in his head

School sucks!

But she had occasions to escape sometimes. And you can't forge your opinions about her based on what she wrote.

@@yogue3108 True. But nor can anyone develop an authentic opinion based on what we think we might have done under those horrible circumstances, and at that age. I'm about her age and was in the Bay Area then. If I had endured what she did, I have no idea what I'd have done -- what a horrible trauma!

Ha ha HA

To be honest, if I was in Patty Hearst's situation and I was locked up in a closet for weeks at a time. And then indoctrinated, the way she was, the way she was gang raped for revolutionary sex, for months at a time- by the SLA, who are known to kill using cyanide bullets, I would comply the way she did. She literally had no choice. All these people criticizing her cannot even understand or feel a part of what she felt during all of this. She went forced to go through revolutionary hell, and cannot get off the train.

The truth likely is somewhere in the middle. My opinion, after watching a few documentaries on this, reading Patty's book, listening to her captors side of it, even listening to her ex fiancé's side of it, is there is some truth in all that has been said, with lots of embellishments sprinkled in. She was young, rich, and privileged. She was kidnapped and just trying to survive. It was the '70's in the middle of mass insanity(not much different than today) and got radicalized. She likely knowingly committed crimes. After the fire that killed 5 SLA members, she likely was scared of the police and the F.B.I. more than she was of betraying the surviving SLA members. I think it was the right combination of youth, background, equal amounts of fear of those who captured her, and fear of those who were working with her family to rescue her, that turned it into this mess that it became. She is a victim, and she is at fault, and she was traumatized. The more you learn about the SLA, the more you learn they weren't sophisticated at all. They sort of bumbled through. The FBI bumbled through. The SF police department bumbled through. The LAPD just pretty much destroyed what they could. Just the ultimate hot mess, there is really no other way to put it. Who to believe, who not to believe??? I guess it's whatever agenda you buy into. I listen to it all and make the best conclusions I can, but this is a special hot mess.

And....?

As Dostoyevsky wrote: It's like a stick with two ends.

They free

plane tickets too?

+onjoFilms that be great!

+Cordell Canfield really? you sure!?!?

his show has always been free which makes getting tickets that much harder

Read " Revolution's End " by Schreiber She had a sexual relationship with Defreese while he was still in jail She was actually conspiring with Defreese to kidnap her sisters

@@paulsansonetti7410 Is Revolution's End a good book in your opinion? This bitch went down on some of the charges and, as you know, received both commutation of sentence and a full on pardon. But I believe she was, and maybe is, morally insane.

@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj look at the recommendations , David Talbot,Peter Dale Scott ,two highly credible authors imo I'd argue it is I wouldn't even say she was insane Personally I think the US deep state has committed a trillion times more evil imo I would imagine when you grow up as rich as she did and you are very young ( still highly idealistic typically) It creates a tension,unease Most jihadis world wide come from the upper class and the young I think personally their energy was completely misdirected, largely because they were CIA controlled on some level, but I don't argue with their politics mostly The atrocities of the US empire completely" spill the banks " imo To me the two big sides on Patty Hearst are the informed people that know a lot of the CIAs fuckery previous to this and believe Schreiber's narrative is completely believable and a bunch of naive boomers mostly right wingers that want to excuse her largely because she was a girl , plus she gets a free pass for being rich when many poor kids would never receive an ounce of their sympathy despite many of them being brainwashed their entire childhood

@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj presuming you are interested, you should be able to find it free at Anna's Archive as an ebook

@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj look at how lightly " the weather underground " were treated " Days of Rage " tells an incredible story Although I've heard others argue that the " thousands of explosions " were mostly firecrackers in post offices

I will if you touch my camera through the fence

There is being foolish, and then there is felony murder.

She supposedly fell in love with ''Cujo,'' who was Willie Wolfe.

No she fell in love with one of them named Will, Cinque was a different person. Although she later claimed to have been sexually assaulted by people in the group and said everything was nonconsensual.

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By being kidnapped when you're 19

+THE.WRIGHT.FLIGHT lol. Yup, I checked the math. You're correct. (Great answer!)

because Liam Neeson didn't make a movie yet by the name of taken.

How can you not be kidnapped when you're 19? Let's say 5 guys throw you into a van - without you consent of course - drive and then lock you inside a room, etc. What would you call that?

PJ I think it's clear that the OP thinks that "kid"-napping refers only to kids. The term actually did originally refer to absconding with a child specifically, but the legal term today includes people of any age. Maybe I shouldn't be so harsh but I thought this was pretty basic knowledge.

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