NGL, every single one of my level 89 characters are the direct result of me repeatedly hitting a wall in Abyss 5 seconds short and angrily muttering to myself, "Okay, okay, I see how it is... let me just pump some of these books in and BLA-DOW!!! How you like them apples now?!!"

xiangling in raiden national team deals a significant amount of overload damage so lvl90 should be considered I think

Started playing Genshin a few weeks ago. All of your videos are super informative and are helping me avoid making detrimental mistakes that will cost me time and resources in the future. Thanks!

One thing to consider when talking about level 90 characters is that eventually is more resin efficient than farming artifacts, it obviously depends on the team and characters but it is a guaranteed increase in damage versus a possible increase in damage on farming artifacts, so eventually you should level everyone that does a high amount of damage to 90.

Even as a Genshin veteran, I've been watching and loving your videos! They're always super well-made and interesting. Keep up the great work man!

leveling main dps to 90 is better than expected. the defense scaling difference between lv80-90 character on lv 100 enemies is a 2.8% damage increase, combined with extra base attack can be around a 4.3% increase.

The concept of understanding meta and using that knowledge to make non-meta characters viable is really useful. I love how Kaveh plays, so I've been working on a Kaveh bloom team and even though it is nowhere near finished, I've been really happy with the performance because he has good units backing him up.

Hey Jello, been watching your youtube rise. Thanks for making videos for new players to understand actual mechanics to the game. So many of the youtubers just assume everyone understands more complex in game topics like damage multipliers, reactions, etc. I wish you were making these videos a year and a half ago when I started playing and really needed them, but I'm glad you're doing it for the newer players regardless!

Your vids have legit saved me from making mistakes that woulda taken weeks of resin to rectify

Also enemy defence scales (partly) of the difference of lvl between your character lvl and the enemy lvl

This was probably my favorite video of yours. Great job.

Thank you sooo much for the guide!!! You answered a lot of questions I had, especially that one about leveling characters which I was always wondering about 🤩🌟⭐💫✨🎉💐🌸🌈🤗

Found this super helpful! I missed the community post but ill keep my eyes open for the next batch 👀

This was very helpful! Thank you so much for answering my question ☺️🤗

Jello entering his Zajef era

great vids! i always look for your vids everyday bcs it s fun to look at while playing genshin

Great video! ty for the fantastic info

Thanks again for another superb video! Could you please make one on elemental shields? There's no a single informative video on enemy shields so far❤

Duuude, sweet crit balance on your hutao its satisfying :) Awesome video!

Thanks for answering my question. I have a bad habit of hording 5-star artifacts "just in case" and often find myself maxing out my count. Even now, I have 1724 5-stars in my inventory.

Nice! I have neglected my Althaitham, so today I thought I go grind him a gilded set, then started to check and I already had a set for him! And rolled pretty nice stats, leveled to level 90, now rising talents and now he steamrolls everything with his signature weapon, went clearly ahead my ayaka and such.

Great video :D

Early, thanks for the useful video!

omg, this is THE most helpful video! Thank you for making it. Never knew how particle generation worked with ER. I have a follow-up question on an earlier section-- One thing that I'm still unsure of is how to balance EM compare to Crit rate if a character is doing reactions like Xiangling? Is it something that should be balanced? Does EM not matter until critrate is up?

Thanks bro.. Very informative 😊

Great video. Thanks

Awesome video

in the funneling section this is why i value Zhongli so much. He's not a must have, but he allows you to play shit you want to play, and the fact he's geo and doesnt mess with what you're trying to do makes him so damn good. Zhongli: shields, shreds, again is geo so he doesnt mess with reactions, just slap him in any team and you're gravy, the tenacity buff from artifacts, you can play lazy because you only need his short cd E which last forever, minings great (stopped mining years ago), the VA is a 10/10, makes geo reso easy to achieve in teams you want to try. You just got Zhongli but trust me the longer you play Zhongli just keeps on giving. I have Nahida is a must have rank 1, shes just does for dendro what no others do, Kazuha 2nd if you dont have a c6 Sucrose, Then i have Zhongli 3rd and while Yelan is just so damn good and amazing. She just adds damage. What Zhongli brings to the table i value over Yelan, then Raiden at rank 5 because of how good shes in hyperbloom/energy fixer upper for teams.

Bro does not stop to take a breath at all my brain hurts trying to follow this without natural pauses to process.

One consideration about CR is abyss benediction card, it gives 8% CR (and 15 CD but there is no cap on CD). And for new player it can be worth fishing for that card, I usually able to get 2 of them staked by chamber 3 which often is the hardest chamber. So for me going above 85CR is questionably. But ofc if you can 36 star easily there is no need to pay attention to such details.

Love the cheat sheets!

IMO, it's better to level up your characters to 90 now. Example is I have leveled my Lisa to 90 even before Dendro was released. And when Aggravate and Spread was synergistic with Dendro and Electro, I have 1 less character to worry about. It's like an investment. Crowning really depends on you. But for me, if I love the character, they deserve crowns. A have a triple crowned Amber because I love her. Meta for me is the synergies and reactions, not the characters. A freeze team with Kazuha and Shenhe can also be achieved with Rosaria, Layla and Sucrose and maybe even better. Having fun should always be top priority over meta.

I actually want a vid where you explain when to do what in a rotation like who makes first hit then next and next and so on. I get so confused what to do that I’m just mashing buttons till enemies die lol

I prefer to go more vertical than horizontal in my character inventory. The ones who i use a lot i try to max out in most regards including cons. In the end i do need less books and mats but the characters i use burn through the content. I saved about 7 months for wanderer c6 but there is nothing in this game a hyperxarry c6 can not melt solo. Tldr: the more characters you collect the weaker and more expensive your account gets to maintain.

When considering the EM in the entire DPS calculation, consider the Internal Cooldown mechanics, especially when trading the Crits, ATK bonus, and Damage Bonus for the extra Reaction bonus

14:20 "Nilou for the most fun and braindead team." I agree too much with this

One small correction, Raiden does around 45% of the team dmg at most on Raiden Hyper and reaches close to 60-70% only at C2, This is because Sara and Kazuha contribute a lot as well, where Sara gets all of her atk buff, Raiden Burst bonus, Bennett atk and Kazuha's buffs and her Burst has good scalings, whereas Kazuha triggers not only Swirls but also alot of Overloads in this team

I kinda disagree on crit rate stat not having diminishing returns until 100%. There is a high possibilty that one of the spiral abyss cards will have crit buff on them so if you are close to 100%, your crit rate buff from the abyss card will be wasted. So, I think it is a good idea to not get too close to 100% crit rate when building characters for the abyss.

@11:37 4 star only teams with no cons: Salad team: Sucrose, Fischl, Yaoyao, Xingqiu Oven team: Barbara, Dendro MC (use collei instead if you don't consider him a 4 star lol), Kaeya, Thoma Bring fav on everybody on oven team to battery thoma. Since he's C0 you'll need 3 favs and them to be triggered multiple times. Full EM on Thoma and Sucrose, the rest of the characters don't really need much investment. You can bring exile set for additional energy if needed. Disclaimer: Those teams will not full clear every abyss, but it can 36 star some of the easier ones

I love your content, keep going!

Thanks!

Would love to see a video for non-meta unit teams

Off topic but if you like racing marbles have you seen Jelle’s Marble Runs? Highly recommend

Good video, I level characters based on how much I like and use them. I also level talents based on usage too since I feel it's worth it. My nilou is 6/9/9 since I was using her in vape and had her c1 lol.

Nilou being a low investment unit is an understatement of the year. I spent MONTHS grinding TotM for Zhongli, Layla, and Kokomi so I have some stray unused pieces here and there. I just slapped two on Nilou and went to town on the last Sumeru domain for the remainder of 3.8 in an effort to gather one or two good enough ND sets in case Fontaine characters want them. I'm happy to say that I got a 64 HP (with Hydro resonance) Nilou by the end of it.

I may have somewhat of an *unpopular/controversial opinion,* but I don't actually believe any characters *"need"* to be lvl 90. I put *"need"* in quotation marks because I do want to add some precisions/caveats to my statement. I think it will depend on your teams, and the level of investment that went into each character's build. If your artifacts aren't very strong, then you can 100% benefit a lot from ascending characters past lvl 80 (and potentially level them to 90 when it "matters"). On the other hand if you're someone who likes to grind artifacts and have very strong builds, you can get away with lower level characters. For example, I've kept My main hypercarries like *Ayaka, and Raiden* at lvl 60 (they are lvl 62-63 now simply from leveling on their own lol) while leveling some supports like Bennett and Shenhe past lvl 80. The rest of my characters are either lvl 60 or 70. (Even my Kazuha is still lvl 62). And my weapons are capped at lvl 80/80. This is how I personally look at it: What's the most "difficult" challenge that we have in the game? *The Spiral Abyss.* And if you can already beat the Abyss, is there really a point to further increase your Character's levels? Not really. And since I can already clear the Abyss 12 with the characters that I have, I don't feel like I *"need"* to level them further. Granted I have farmed artifacts since I've started playing the game, and all of my characters have excellent builds. In this specific Abyss cycle, I was able to clear Floor12 with these teams: *First Half Ayaka Freeze:* Ayaka(63) / Kazuha(62) / Shenhe(80) / Kokomi(62) *Second Half Rational:* Raiden(62) / Bennett(80) / Xiangling(70) / Xingqiu(70) (My Ayaka now has a *Mistsplitter R1,* but she was using Amenoma R3 in the past, and Raiden is on *TheCatch R5* for those interested) Finally, keep in mind that although I could clear the Abyss with these characters, I don't want to make it seem like it was a walk in the park either. It wasn't super easy, and I've had to start over a few times in order to get 3* stars per chamber. I will say that the Ayaka Freeze team with Shenhe was my Strongest team. Adding Shenhe to my roster *Skyrocketted* my damage through the roof! My Ayaka team would clear the first Chamber very quickly (even with a lvl 63 Ayaka because her supports are broken), and then my RationaL team would fight hard in the second half to finish within seconds over the 7min mark. As for overworld stuff, well, you don't need levels lol. *Please understand that I am a special case, and I may be a bit crazy for playing like this hahahaha.* For general purpose advice to the every day casual player, I would agree that ascending your characters past lvl 80 can be very beneficial (especially your main Damage dealers, your Reaction based characters, and you broken supports like Bennett / Shenhe / etc.). And as for leveling to 90, well, it can also have value, but I guess you already know my position on this lolll.

Sucrose National IS NOT a low investment team. You'll need way more resin refresh to gear everyone/get cons on all characters than you'd need time saving up primos for a 5stars teams.

We asked you for who to LVL 90, so I gotta support, because you delivered 👉😎👉

really love your content jello, I've been playing this game for 3 years and you're one of the only people who explains things so clearly. keep up the good work!

In terms of meta? Depends on what you’re wanting to achieve. Overall? No meta doesn’t matter.

I like this channel. Its like the new Mtashed but without the negativity.

8:51 EM isn't a TOTALLY dead stat on Wanderer since you can be swirling a good amount depending on team comp. It's just not his focus and it's like on par with flat atk (I haven't done the math between the two, but it's not great but not completely dead). A better example where EM is useless would have been EM on Ayaka in a freeze team.

Who to actually lvl up to 90? Any of your main abyss unit that: 1. that triggers bloom (kuki, thoma,etc) 2. Vv swirler built on EM (sucrose, venti, etc) . that's all. Everything else is upto who's your favourite characters you want to needlessly waste resources on. . If youre not doing abyss then dont waste your stuff. keep all your units at lvl 70+.

Level 85 and level 87 are also good targets for some characters and even weapons. The last 3-5 levels in some cases provide little in the way of stats but are the most expensive. In some cases you can take an otherwise 90 character and stop at 87 or even 85 and there will be less than a 1% difference in performance, and times when taking an otherwise level 80 support up to 85 or 87 will have a noticeable increase and not be too expensive to do. The majority of cost from 80 to 90 is in the last 3-5 levels. Those levels are so expensive that doing this for a handful of characters will save enough XP books to pay for another character leveling up to 80. The same is true for weapons. Many of my support weapons are 85-87 because the stats you gain from the last few levels are so small but you save enough from 5 weapons' to have a 6th levels as well. The amount of Mora saved is also huge, in fact, it's mora savings that has the biggest returns by stopping at 87 even for your support weapons alone that will save millions.

22:57 "whats the strongest all male team" if the anwser wasn't mono geo i'm gonna be sososo surprised 😭😭

All of them, you eventually don't know where to waste your resin anyway. Might as well lvl90 everyone.

For the characters you keep 70 is characters you might eventually want to bring up to 80 or 90 for the dps increase, but with their 4 assention passive and level 6 (or 9 with cons) talents are good enough. For me this is always supports. Current roster of level 70 characters are diona, kirara, yaoyao and for 60/70 I also have Barbra and qiqi. Now eventually for nilou bloom variations, I might want level 90 Barbra and kirara, and if I ever get a frost unit I may want to level diona more, but for the most part, if I am good enough I sort of hold off on leveling them. For the longest time I was 60/70 on xingqui because I only needed him for hydro application against shields, but I never needed more damage. Then one abyss you had to use raiden national in order to clear it and you needed a lot of dps, so I ended up getting xingqui to 80/80 and was able to clear it. Now if I ever run into a dps wall, I can get him 80/90 and upgrade talents further, but for now he’s fine and I got more options.

i want to see the nonmeta unit video!

Is there any resources for helping me with tuning my playstyle? Id like to know more about tech, cycles, movement, etc.

Don't know if it has been asked before, but are able to Snapshot Crit Buffs (like Rosaria's Crit Rate buff)?

For artifacts, I found out HP main stat would usually go well with crits and/or EM/ER. On the contrary, HP does not usually match with DEF or ATK so I avoid keeping these pieces. Even so, I still got around 1300 pieces locked. I really need to do something about this habit of keeping too many artifacts "just in case".

My brain was always concerned and stressed that I dont have everyone at ascencion 6 😅 so I wasted my resources to put myself at ease

I just got Deyha to level 90 yesterday. Stuff gets really expensive beyond level 8 talents! Lol. Trying to figure out who to do next.

I missed the community post but whats the best way to optimize your resin once you’ve reached the point where you can get good artifacts? I saved basically all of my fragile resin but now im scared to use it

the only ones who got promoted to lv 90 are Kazuha and Lyney. The next one i’m working on is Yelan. Man.. i’m exhausted. The artifact farming for Lyney’s rough.

Meta is important for the account until you don’t feel it anymore, I agree that certain players should be very careful about resources management especially Mora, I’m low spender yet I always feel the weight of leveling characters or weapons 80-90 or arts 16-20 hence I focus on my favorite characters like Sucrose or most used DPS like my Yanfei.

i just keep playing dps faruzan A week before fontaine came out. it just feels so good to use a anemo c6 mini Ganyu on top of having a cc. tho she is using r2 aqua and a zhongli and still hitting very hard and can some what able to compete with f2p meta team

Did you forget that there is a dendro healer that skills with HP?

10:05 Also worth mentioning for Defense that the same shield on a high defense character will last longer than on a low defense character. Also, my most fun AND most braindead team for me is Thundering Furry Razor. Just drop dendro -> Hydro -> Pyro -> let Razor go unga-bunga. Also also, I see at the end there's a "what's the strongest all-male team" and I'm going to place my vote for the Aether-traveler variant of Thundering Furry Razor. Dendro Aether, Xingqiu, Bennett, Razor. As you can tell, I'm a huge fan of the team. :)

Thoma is an hp scaling character, for his shield. So it can be worth upping him to 90 if you are using him often enough for his shields, as they aren't so weak to be a "why bother?" nor so strong that it doesn't matter. The main reason not to take him to 90? Most people barely use him. Hu Tao is worth crowning, since she's usually part of a vape build, and her normal/charged attack is part of that entire multiplier chain. She's also typically used as a hypercarry. Her elemental skill, like with Yoimiya, that's a lower return on investment. Those two characters are a prime example of, if power is your goal, you do need to know where your character's power comes from. Also, crowning Benny won't boost your team damage by 3%. Not only is it not that much of an attack increase, it doesn't have 100% uptime nor will effect all your skills either. It is worth doing if you use him, since he, and that skill, is powerful. That said, I think when it comes to crowning, what you should crown are the characters you like to use the most. As far as crit rate goes, one reason to start shifting more to crit damage as you get closer to 100% crit rate is because there are crit rate buffs. Hu Tao, Rosaria, GMC, cryo resonance, food, and the Abyss crit rate card... It also leaves a bit of flex room in case you get a better overall stat-wise artifact. Also worth noting that, when you're talking 70% CR, 140% DR, at that point, being off balance doesn't make a big difference in overall DPS. And since most people just can't get perfect artifact balance, they tend to skew a bit toward higher CD value, because bigger numbers are more fun. Elemental Mastery has actual DR, unlike most other stats, which just have increased opportunity cost. Every point of EM benefits you less than the one before it. So while you do want some EM early on, when the benefit per point is at its highest, you won't want to do something like the 1:2 CR to DR thing when it comes to EM. Mind you, the drop off isn't crazy insane (early on, anyway... it gets more impactful the higher your EM is), but it is something to be aware of. Going from 100 to 200 EM benefits you more, flat number-wise, than going from 500 to 600. For defense, one other important thing: unlike in many games, the damage reduction is factored in before damage is applied to the likes of shields. So a 10k hp shield on Albedo will last longer than the same shield on a low defense Yoimiya. Not a reason to gear characters that don't scale off defense with defense, but just something to be aware of. As to META, it depends on how you define META. For most people, it just means the most effective tactics available, period. So if hyperbloom is very effective against an Abyss, and Nahida, Xingqiu, Raiden, and X is the most effective hyperbloom, then that's META, and everything else is not the best, and therefore bad. This type of META can easily leave a bad taste in people's mouths, with people trashing what other people choose to do in a game (which is something we do for fun for those of us who aren't content creators) and other such silliness. But the thing is, META exists for all sorts of things. If you want to play Eula, there's a META for Eula. And so hyperbloom with Eula can be the META Eula team, even though it isn't the META hyperbloom team. And in that way, yes, META can be fun. Knowing what things work well together lets you play all sorts of teams. But, conversely, just throwing together whatever you think is fun, and not sweating if that fun thing can't clear floor 12 of the Abyss, that's also fine. Fun is subjective, so there is no concrete answer to the question of "Is META fun?"

If you're not spending money on resin like most streamers that talk about having huge amounts of crit and crit damage, don't beat yourself up trying to have 70% crit/200% damage. The odds of getting a set of artifacts like that are tiny. If you are just using free resin, you'll maybe see a good artifact once every few weeks. As someone who doesn't buy resin, it took me about three months of constant farming to get a Wanderer set with 60/140. Just so you don't get your expectations raised on what "investment" means. "Investment" = money. And I full stared the abyss with a Yoimiya team and a Raiden national team with total individual CVs in the twenties. It wasn't easy or anything, but it's mostly about having the right team for the job.

Oh it's everyone that needs lvl 90

Sayu team for extreme F2P players with basically no gacha characters Sayu, Lisa, Collei, DMC Sayu is going to be your VV shredder + healer, possibly also on-field DPS. Either run an EM or HP weapon on her, such as Rainslasher or The Bell Lisa is either going to be your DPS or your TTDS character, but she could be the healer with prototype amber if Sayu isn't healing enough Collei is your Deepwood character, possibly also running Sac or Favonius to battery others DMC will be your off-field Dendro DPS, running Gilded Dreams and an EM weapon such as Iron Sting or the event weapon Toukabou Shigure if you somehow have access to that.

Bro my xiangling did like 13k each hit with throwaway artifacts it was crazy

Oh heck yeah thank you

Non-meta spyral abyss builds LETS GOOOOOOO (36 star challenge 🤔)

i love jellow impact

Just a suggestion my guy, but maybe add timestamps for people who want to rewatch specific segments, especially for guides videos like these

Im building a burgeon team as my second main team.. Seems to work well as early stages, just did my first artifact farm for 3 chars. So it diluc c1 thoma c6 , xingqiu c1 and collei c0. I have yelan c0 who i can swap with xingqiu in future for more damage or more vape if i swap with collei. Collei burst needs to be wider is downside to team. I dont have other dendro chars at this point. Not even traveler. But i will test and compare eventually.

I got this video after lvling up my faruzan and layla to lvl 90 lol. I think it's fine becuase i use them all the time with wanderer.

Please make a video on the topic of how to use non meta characters in the Abyss.

10:26 Hyperbloom missing is unbelievable

21:41 YEP IN CO-OP my friend w kazuha made me look at my yoimiya in disbelief 😮 i was shook to see ez 20k’s??? BRUH cant wait for kazuha to dodge me for the 3rd time 🤭💅🏽💀

I get the idea behind 90 now but what this is telling me is they all need 90 as I use them in many teams for different purposes, granted I don't have loads of characters so probably would be best I have like seven 5 stars lol

People say the '90% crit rate' thing because of the extremely common abyss card that gives crit ratee

"You can use Raiden, Yelan, Nahida, and Zhongli, and that's _really_ really braindead." I have been _specifically_ called out, down to the party order! (I mean, Main on Up, Defense on Down, it's obvious!). Had been Xingqiu, but swapped him out to level Yelan's Friendship, which was also maxed recently, so maybe I should swap my C6 XQ back in...but then, the skill-dashing and bow utility is very nice~

Jello!!!

14:20 Nilou is fun AND braindead??!! i was already convinced i wanted her, but now i'm DEFINITELY getting her.❤😂 19:55 what about yaoyao and kirara? i would consider that piece for either my Yao or Kirara simply bc it's a good value for my resin atm.

Level to 90 your hypercarries and EM scaling reaction based characters. Mostly anemo, dendro, electro, hydro characters. Some are worth to levelu up as well that scale well like Zhongli. But consider the cost of the materials cause going from 80 to 90 gives not much and mostly is not worth and is good for endgame players.

Dendro has a lot of HP scaling actually. There’s Yao Yao, Baizhu and somewhat for Kirara. Also I think it’s here’s a case for prioritizing resources to the most valuable returns but I really judge people for not leveling their characters to 90. They’re always the ones that die in coop domains. 🙄

13:40 yes please

Ngl I keep every em, elemental bounos , energy pieces

What is the optimal Attack to Crit ratio? (for example: 2000ATK + 250%CritValue vs. 2500ATK + 150%CV --assuming these represent a similar number of artifact substats and ratio CR:CD=1:2)

Is this for the Abyss or Overworld stuff?

my lvl 90 are limited 5* & traveller & only 4* I've lvl 90 are Bennet & xiangling other standard 5* are lvl 80 with some 4* also & other all 4* I've build are lvl 76 those 4* i haven't build are still 20

😅 Thanks but now i will have to spend thousands of resin on exp laylines

For character that need full em or hp or so. Should I use 4 star artifact for 4 piece effect or 2 piece 5 star artifacts?(mainly vv and deepwood sets)

Furina Nahida Yao Yao and my Queen Lisa. I can barely rotate my team because they just obliterate everything so quickly

not first, also hi jelly!

Hi! Should I lvl up Jean to 90 for Neuvillette + furina team?