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Jem'Hadar: The Ultimate Soldier?

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Venom Geek Media 98

Venom Geek Media 98

4 жыл бұрын

i've delayed the next episode of battlespace to August 7th as i want to make sure its the best it can be. in the meantime lets take a look at the Infamous Jem'hadar super soldiers and examine the issues they present as characters.
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@richard1701able
@richard1701able 4 жыл бұрын
The Jem'Hadar went to Quark's to observe the behaviour of people who could potentially be their enemy in battle.
@JaredLS10
@JaredLS10 4 жыл бұрын
My exact thought.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
true and while they seem to respect klingons. they seem to have nothing but contempt for their cardassian allies. Reminds me of a ww2 odd couple.
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 4 жыл бұрын
ADVANCED RECON.
@haroldchase1881
@haroldchase1881 3 жыл бұрын
The Muslims used janissary these troops are were they get the idea for the unsullied in game of thrones. Having read many of the books from game of thrones I can wright this and know I’m on point. As for the Jem Hadar they certainly have strong code of honor . It’s as simple as this they are loyal to the founders in all things .
@richard1701able
@richard1701able 3 жыл бұрын
@Harold Chase Janissaries were used by The Ottoman Empire, not by all Muslims. Regardless that is an interesting comparison, though I think the Unsullied were "borrowed" from the Persian Immortals not the Jem'Hadar.
@KingOfMadCows
@KingOfMadCows 4 жыл бұрын
The Unsullied are still capable of enjoying things. In the books, they talk about how Unsullied tend to overeat because they still get pleasure from eating good food. With the Dominion's servant races, we know that the Founder removed certain traits, like how the Vorta have no sense of aesthetics. The Founders probably did that to the Vortas to prevent them from being bribed or learning rebellious thoughts from art. It also makes it a lot easier for the Vorta to suppress and wipe out other cultures. If the Vorta can't appreciate art, music, or literature, they'd have no problem destroying another race's history and culture. It's likely that the Founders performed similar engineering on the Jem'Hadar. They probably have no sense of aesthetics either. We know they can eat and drink but they're probably engineered not to get any pleasure from it. The Founders probably modified them to remove physical and psychological traits/drives that could potentially compromise them. The fact that Jem'Hadar don't live very long can also be a big advantage. It prevents them from developing culture and history of their own. All the Jem'Hadar who fought in the Dominion War are going to be dead soon and in 10 or 20 years, no Jem'Hadar will even remember that the Founders lost a war. The Founders can probably do that to the Vortas, kill all the living Vorta and erase all memories of the Dominion War in their clones.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
interesting you mention eunuchs proclivity to gluttony- which is something of a trope. also interesting you bring up the Vorta. We see on several ocassions while Weyoun is unable to fully appreciate food and art he is definitely curious about those things. again perhaps a carry over from before they were altered. and you make a good point about lifespan. sometimes there's nothing more dangerous to a Tyrant than his army coming home. going back to Russian history the First Revolutionaries the 'Decemberists' were all soldiers that had seen democratic/Liberal france after the Napoleonic wars and so they tried to bring it to russia.
@raw6668
@raw6668 4 жыл бұрын
I am surprised you did not bring up the fact that the Jem'Haddar need for Ketracel White is probably what won the war for the Federation Alliance. Because the need of the White to survive, meant when it was low due to constant Federation raids and attacks, meant fewer Jem'Haddar could be active at any given time. Making it difficult to pull large overwhelming invasions the Dominion favor and instead enter a stalemate and a war that depends on outmaneuvering and outthinking opponents, which the Alliance's members favor. Also, combine with Dominion tactics of attrition and all or nothing campaigns (fighting until everyone is dead) meant few of their veterans survive longer than 3 months if they even live long enough to be considered veterans. As not only do they lose a large number in each battle but increase the likelihood they are sent to unwinnable battles to weaken the enemy since they were going to die anyway. This in turn made the Jem'Haddar become less effective, especially against an enemy that was rapidly building up a solid number of veterans as the war progress. And finally, due to the fact they were limited in the number of Jem'Haddar that they could field at any given moment meant more Cardassians had to take up arms as the war progress. This lead to them taking heavier casualties than the Jem'Haddar for there are fewer being made and fewer participated in the battles. Which, combined with losing territory and a voice in the Dominion, angered the Cardassians. Leading to the rebellion that bloomed near the end of the war and made the Cardassians switch sides.
@raw6668
@raw6668 3 жыл бұрын
@Rick Grimes To the guy whose comment was deleted. Actually, this proves my point, for, at the time, the Dominion was able to manufacture Ketracel White. Remember, the treaty for the temporary cease-fire allowed the Dominion to have planets to manufacture Ketracel White, and they had facilities up while both sides were busy rearming. So when the Dominion could make overwhelming numbers of Jem'Haddar, they could act as a threat. However, without the numbers, the Dominion is a more manageable threat. Especially as Starfleet was very good to perform raids in destroying Ketracel White facilities, and they kept losing them during the war. Plus, you are not taking into account Starfleet manpower shortage was also due to the fact their forces were split between the Beta and Alpha Quadrant. A large presence had to be in the Beta Quadrant to keep the Romulans in check and fight Dominion forces that had bases there courtesy of the Romulan Star Empire. Once they were gone, and the Romulans not only got less hostile but transfer a large number of their forces to the Alpha Quadrant, the Federation could put all their forces that were in the Beta Quadrant into the Alpha. The Federation no longer had enemies around its borders and could concentrate its forces.
@shaytepes7351
@shaytepes7351 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the Jem'Hadar acquired their "sense of honor" from the countless species that they conquered through their generations.
@Lukos0036
@Lukos0036 4 жыл бұрын
The White is more than just an addictive drug. It contains an isogenic enzyme they were engineered to be unable to produce naturally. Without it their bodies break down. It also provided all their nutrients. So it's not that they aren't physically able to eat, at least it is inferred thus, but they don't require it. It kind of reminds me of Jurassic Park, where they engineered the dinosaurs they created to be unable to produce L-Lysine so they wouldn't propagate unchecked in the event of an escape.
@victorroche5044
@victorroche5044 4 жыл бұрын
It is one of the keys to their logistical superiority along with the 3 day creation of reinforcements
@Lukos0036
@Lukos0036 4 жыл бұрын
@@victorroche5044 And their rapid ship building. Allowed to operate long enough, even a small dominion force can metastasize into a regional power almost as quickly as the Borg.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
its probably what allows the dominion to rapidly mobilize and rearm.
@Lukos0036
@Lukos0036 4 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Also the big reason the alpha quadrant powers had such a hard time with them even after adapting to their polaron weapons and the breen dampening device. Even sans those advantages the dominion could absorb horrific losses and recover rapidly while everyone else was still reeling from losing hundreds of ships and tens of thousands of people. Attrition warfare doesn't seem so bad when you don't need a lifetime to raise an armada and the crew to operate it. When the borg eventually reach them though the dominion will be in trouble.
@spacepolicemanofspace6073
@spacepolicemanofspace6073 4 жыл бұрын
I'm way more scared of the Jem'hadar than I am of Stormtroopers of any degree. They have no value for anything other than victory. They know they are expendable and don't care. Great video!
@HeadlessChickenTO
@HeadlessChickenTO 4 жыл бұрын
An interesting matchup. I think it would be a stalemate in a verses scenario. Jem'Hadar are bread quickly, fully trained, and are equipped fairly well for a disposable military force. But I find their downfall is based on that doctrin, majority of their ships are build to be cheap sacrificial cannon fodder that supplements their fewer in number large cruisers. Clone troopers I feel are a bit better trained because theres a long process time for breeding them into soldiers, that includes actual battlefield experience rather then completely relying on controlled simulation environments. Clones also seem to be better equipped for survivability, lessons learned from huge early loses. But their higher processing time and large support budget is a deterrent for them to be deployed en mass. Majority of times, the common attribute of a GAR loss are clones simply being over runner by superior numbers.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
you will definitely want to stick around for part 2 then
@peteraustin8615
@peteraustin8615 4 жыл бұрын
The Jem'Hadar at Quark's were there to SIT. Their ship's don't have chairs. we see multiple times Jem'Hadar unused to siting down. ketracel-white is closer to penicillin, then recreational drugs.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
a very good point. i wounder if older jem'hadar develop back problems from being on their feet all day? so would the ketracel help boost their immune system?
@dreadedpixel9022
@dreadedpixel9022 3 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 that would make alot of sense, it also explains how that one Jem'hadar managed to live without it, likely being on that jungle planet for a extended period of time caused some manner of mutation causing there likely vestigial immune system to sudden be activated and go into maximum over drive to compensate for the lack of white
@TheRezro
@TheRezro 2 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 There is in fast a episode about this issue where Bashir try develop cure for Katrecil White dependence. He does that with help of almost human, drug resistant Jem Hadar, what show that they definitely aren't robots. Problem is that as pointed out Founders didn't turn them into soldiers. They actually restrain them from being murder weapons. In the end Bashir need abandon his project realizing that freeing Jem Hadar would have devastating results. Because when Klingons were misunderstand as brutes, Jem Hadar were mindless brutes and Founders actually keep them in check.
@tilasole3252
@tilasole3252 Жыл бұрын
The Jem'Hadar do what they are told and they were told to come to "Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun. Come right now! Don't walk, Run!"
@Vandelberger
@Vandelberger 4 жыл бұрын
I am pretty the Ketracel inspiration was the child soldiers in Africa/ Colombia, who are on drugs to suppress sleep and emotion.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
i didn't know that. i guessed the influence would be something much closer to home, like the Vietnam War.
@ChairmanMo
@ChairmanMo 4 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Drugs has always been a big part of war.
@Vandelberger
@Vandelberger 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, German troops in Russia were apparently doped up to keep them awake during WW2
@invidofinp1828
@invidofinp1828 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vandelberger Meth. They were given meth tablets freely.
@brobasticbroham446
@brobasticbroham446 4 ай бұрын
The best Soldier in the Dominion war was a Horta who due his obsession with early 90s early 2000s gangster Rap Named himself "Twotechs" and packs 2 rapid fire pulse phasers. His sick beats are known to proceed his coming 😂
@SakiniCZ
@SakiniCZ 4 жыл бұрын
It seem that the Jem´Hadar were originally a natural species, extremely tweaked and modified by the Founders, so that they don´t become a threat to them ever. And still, it was not that unusual that some turned rogue, even when under control by Ketracel.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
true maybe they were just as independent as the clones we just don't see those ones. a jem'hadar rebellion is a scary prospect.
@SakiniCZ
@SakiniCZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The Founders are well aware of that, their precautions are massive to hold them in the line. Ketracel seems to have a dual role, the normal dose prevents death, the combat dose heightens efficiency. And the short life span of the Jem'Hadar is most possibly part of the constant use of the drug, which was clearly planned by the Founders. Three flies with one catch : loyalty, efficiency, and they don't get too old to become too smart and individualistic. Just through making them junkies. And still there are renegades, like those who wanted to use the Iconian gate. It must still be inside their genes, the original nature. And the Dominion is very large, who knows what happens through the Gamma quadrant.
@toddkurzbard
@toddkurzbard Жыл бұрын
"How do you approach the Jem'Hadar?" You don't. At least, you don't depart the Jem'Hadar if you DO.
@vincer9960
@vincer9960 4 жыл бұрын
Are you ever going to get back into making those "wings" episodes where you have music and you talk in a semi-dramatic narrator style voice (instead of natural speakin voice)? There are so many amazing ships & stories you can discuss from all the different factions. I felt like I was listening to / watching a real documentary about a real-life story when you did those. The way you presented the ships, back-stories, history, etc. was absolutely fascinating especially for someone like me who doesn't know much about Star-Trek lore. Those "Wings" episodes are so immersive and engaging, they put me in another world. Those are what attracted me to your channel and kept me coming back for more...
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
yes i will be doing more of those i was aiming to release another episode of 'Battlespace' this week but thats delayed i'm currently looking at releasing that on the 21st of August. i do have another episode of 'Wings' planned in the near future covering the Romulan Nova Class.
@climberly
@climberly 4 жыл бұрын
How do you approach the Jem'Hadar? You don't, unless you want to die!
@mb2000
@mb2000 4 жыл бұрын
I’d only take issue with calling the Jem’Hadar clones. I believe they’re birthed in something like a hatchery or birthing chamber. The Vorta are clones, as they’ve said so and we’ve seen multiple Weyouns, but we’ve never seen multiples of the same Jem’Hadar.
@tilasole3252
@tilasole3252 Жыл бұрын
So the Unsullied have no "gear"? When the lady ask for a volunteer to fight the enemy's champion, one says he is a bastard and then refuses to take a horse. He ends up throwing a knife and downing the champion's horse, as it falls and slides just in front of him and then he uses his sword on the man. Then he whips out his "equipment" and pisses on the ground. Was he part of the Unsullied?
@SamuelJamesNary
@SamuelJamesNary 4 жыл бұрын
Not to say that the Jem'Hadar didn't go to Quark's bar for some of the reasons that you give. As being organic beings... and not Borg... there could be some things that they did that would go back to certain elements of behavior that other races would do for biological needs without their realizing it, even though the Jem'Hadar don't need food, drink, or sleep in the way that the other races of Star Trek do. Thus certain old elements of whatever being they were before the Dominion developed their species might remain in some way... However, a big part of their actions depicted in DS9's "Dominion War" story arc is in relation what their use had always been in the Dominion. They were intended to be the enforcers of the Founder's rule. We don't see too much of this in the Gamma Quadrant, as for the most part... the Dominon worlds there had been under Dominion rule for so long that the threat of outright rebellion was pretty low and thus the Jem'Hadar could be limited to ships and fortifications in different spots and thus wouldn't be in every village. However, by the time DS9 got to the Dominion War, they came into a new part of the galaxy and had a new situation... For by that time the Dominion was in direct conflict with the Federation and its allies and finding themselves dealing with races that would rather die free than live as slaves... which would contrast to everything the Dominion stood for in that they sought to enslave everyone... as that was the only way the Founders felt they could be safe... if they ruled over all and killed anyone who dared question it. But in the Alpha Quadrant they really weren't going to get that. The Federation wasn't going to just stand by... particularly when looking at their various captains and what they've done to defend the Federation... Kirk against the Klingons, Picard against the Borg, and Sisko against the Dominion. The Klingons wouldn't accept it without a fight... to show their honor/status... and so on. And in this, the Dominion had to know they would be looking at a potentially lengthy campaign of pacification... And it would be a campaign that would last until the races of the Alpha Quadrant accepted Dominion rule without question... and until they did... the Jem'Hadar would be dispatched to wherever these rebellions might spring up and with the orders to catch, and if necessary, kill, as many as possible.
@jeffhallam2004
@jeffhallam2004 3 жыл бұрын
How did I miss this one?
@ironstarofmordian7098
@ironstarofmordian7098 4 жыл бұрын
No but almost.
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 4 жыл бұрын
THAT'S ME IM THE SUBSCRIBER YAAAAAAA!!!!
@carlosh.8097
@carlosh.8097 4 жыл бұрын
The one thing i don't like about the Jem'Hadar is that they grow up from new born to full adult in about one week. They don't even eat so, where does all that matter come from? I could buy it if it was in one year or so but not one week.
@zachwilson5457
@zachwilson5457 3 ай бұрын
If I remember right, in that episode they showed that jem'hadar eating. After growing to the equivalent of a teenager, he started craving ketracel, requiring Dr Bashir to rig up one of those ketracel injectors.
@Phil-D83
@Phil-D83 Жыл бұрын
Jem'Hadar are superior
@uttermanbo
@uttermanbo Ай бұрын
Klingons are like Spartans. Cardaissians are like Nazis. Romulans are like Romans. JemHadar are a cross between Russians and Samurai. The JemHadar may actually develop a life outside of war if they were freed from the Founders. It would take time to get away from the violent tendencies, but certain JemHadar proved to not be mindless killers. The one that wasn't addicted to the white could've killed O'Brien and Bashir. He let them go. The one in the episode Rocks and Shoals showed signs of respect. He was just too brainwashed to listen to Sisko. There are other examples like the one who killed his Weyoun, he at first wanted to kill Sisko. Only to later learn to respect him. The same goes for the one that wouldn't kill Worf after beating him badly.
@breembo
@breembo 4 жыл бұрын
The Jem Hadar are an analog for imperial japanese soldiers.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
even more so for Japanese Pilots....
@breembo
@breembo 4 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 true, but even their infantry were strapping mines to their chest and diving on tanks. Then there was the banzai charge, which was a fruitless effort.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
@@breembo they didn't see it as fruitless...
@breembo
@breembo 4 жыл бұрын
@@venomgeekmedia9886 well banzai charges were common after they ran out of ketracel white rice.
@tilasole3252
@tilasole3252 Жыл бұрын
Fighting the French was a vacation for the Russians.
@haroldchase1881
@haroldchase1881 3 жыл бұрын
How about the Clone troopers verse the Remans 😆
@spaceexpireaudio666
@spaceexpireaudio666 3 жыл бұрын
Clone troopers would win by sheer numbers
@cross3052
@cross3052 Ай бұрын
I have personal experience with drug enhanced performance. It really is amazing the difference it can make. I could keep up in a very physically demanding job with guys 10-15 years younger than me. I do not recommend it. I paid a price for all that. Not worth it.
@invidofinp1828
@invidofinp1828 3 жыл бұрын
So don't need to eat, sleep, get wired with their drug that is 99.9% needed to live. Other than the no sex....sign me up.
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 3 жыл бұрын
to each their own, personally eating and sleeping are two comforts i'm grateful for.
@Big_Black_Dick
@Big_Black_Dick 4 жыл бұрын
actually the whole drugged up army thing came from germany during ww2,,, all the nazi soldiers were getting meth tablets to keep them up and energized so they were able to fight round the clock day and night to encircle and outflank enemy formations, u know, the german super soldier stereotype,,,,, ( edit ) 🤣 i should've finished watching before commenting cause u said exactly wat i just wrote 10 secs after i wrote it lol
@dragonsword7370
@dragonsword7370 4 жыл бұрын
I guess he never heard of the other armies that basically saw "AH! Look at what they did on Pervitin! We should do that too!" Gen. Monty gave a tanker brigade in Africa a bunch of the British pharma version of amphetamines available that pilots were already using them during the blitz. These units were given new m4 Sherman's too and the whole unit incurred a 70% to 80% casualtie rate from One attack. They were so Amped up they ran headlong into German anti tank gun traps with no normal regard against them and were nearly wiped out. Even the Germans started shying away from pervitine after France but the ss still experimented. They were trying out cocktails of different energy shots on prisoners and made them run for Days on a pre-made, different terrained parade track that also had them testing different artificial leather shoes and soles. Mixes of cocaine, amphetamines basically whatever they threw at a board. Thats the research and more experience from ww2 that led to massive Vietnam era army and marine experimentation on energy shots. The only place you'll see something like pervitine in is a pilots emergency survival kit. Go pills as they're called. Other main difference is that the pills from back then didn't have a slow release chemical mixed in the pill. So guys would just suddenly be tweaking they're Balls off into battle.
@dragonsword7370
@dragonsword7370 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the ramble bud.
@Big_Black_Dick
@Big_Black_Dick 4 жыл бұрын
DragonSword no way bro thank u for the speech 🙂 and the info lol i liked reading it
@venomgeekmedia9886
@venomgeekmedia9886 4 жыл бұрын
yeah so nearly all participants experimented with drugs- the use of some narcotics like pervitin was quite common globally especially among the more affluent it was awfully fashionable- perhaps thats another aspect of the Dominion War the Son'a Work to weaken the federation by funneling narcotics....
@Big_Black_Dick
@Big_Black_Dick 4 жыл бұрын
Venom Geek Media 98 🤔 that's super interesting 🙂 i also wanna say thank u for the quality entertainment, thank u for being a star trek youtuber, thank u for the WINGS series and the battle space series of videos, u sir are a genius lol
@taliawtf6944
@taliawtf6944 2 ай бұрын
A neutered army would actually be a pretty trash force... the lack of testosterone would really hurt their strength, stamina and aggression in battle as well as their drive to be competitive. The Jem'hadar don't live very long so clearly their biology has been cranked up to the point it burns out long before they would naturally meet their end. The Astartes from 40k would would be a better example of a real super soldier as they can live for centuries and even thousands of years with strength, speed, stamina and mental abilities that would make them seem as demi gods to nearly any race in Star Trek even the Jem'Hadar. I think the Jem'Hadar are nothing more than the end point for a slave race as they can't breed naturally, they don't live long even if they never see battle and they have no culture or real reasons to live. They are a rather pitiful race when you think about it as they have had everything that could make them great stripped from them.
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