Had the cruiserweight division existed in those days, Quarry would have had a much better chance of winning a title, because I'm convinced it was for fighters like himself that that division was created in the first place years later.

lay down the bong

Forman ducked Quarry in this era, would not fight him....

@@SingleTax Not only that, you didn't have all the bogus tittles and sanctioning bodies. The WBA in the day was bad enough.

@@samtopeka2535 LOL, the NBA/WBA was the original sanctioning body!

Quarry was too much of a bleeder. He wouldn't have stood a chance against Holyfield or Lewis.

Sorry but Quarry was a cruiserweight at best. He should not have been fighting heavyweights especially since he wasn’t fast for a cruiserweight, not much head movement and that’s why he took so much punishment during his career and ended up with brain damage.

@@Kungs. It's a riveting but brutal sport, especially during and before Quarry's era, when there were 15 rounds. And much more punishment was taken by fighters, with many lapsed judgements in the referee stopping the fight much too late. But nothing in comparison to the days of Jake Lamotta, Jack Dempsey, or John L. Sullivan. Today, Jess Willard would not have suffered needlessly, and Rocky Marciano would not have gone undefeated due to his split nose against Charles.

True. I'm no expert, but it seems the standards of champion boxers were higher back then.

@@johnratican3824 John, it's basically apples and oranges. I would say that a lot of the fighters way back when had more endurance, basically because there was more motivation and more on the line concerning their livelihood. It was make or break for many. And many were willing to give up their mental and physical health to make a buck. There are not as many entering the fight game as there used to be because there are so many other avenues to pursue. The same can be said for the sport of bodybuilding. The game of boxing was far more brutal and sadistic back then, but so unmorally entertaining in the gladiatorial aspect, and we all realize that it has no place in today's society, along with Sinatra and Martin's womanizing and sexism, smoking, and overflowance of booze. But, it was fun while it lasted, especially if you got to experience it, and I caught the tail end of it, now being 66. We passed our peak quite a while ago, culturally speaking, in so, so many ways, especially with music. Today everything is so bland, homogenous, and repetitive. No originality because there is no where to go. In boxing, 10 or 12 rounds do not compare to 15. Those last 3 rounds made many champions what they were.

Wow that’s impressive

Bro jerry quarry is an absolute monster. Just a nightmare. Look at the way he demolished Ernie shavers kept coming at him not giving shavers a break

Excellent, excellent observation by you Francis. There are very few boxing fans, if any, who know that stat about Jerry Quarry. I thought I was the only one. And while we are talking about unique Jerry Quarry facts, consider the following...... Elvis Presley was on stage at the Hyatt Hotel in Las Vegas in 1970. He had a massive audience in front of him and was in the middle of a song performance. All of a sudden Elvis stopped - stopped for about 10 seconds. And while people in the audience were looking at each other wondering what was wrong, Elvis pointed into the crowd and said "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are in the company of greatness. Sir, please come up to the stage." Elvis had picked Jerry Quarry out of the crowd and called him up to the stage.

a bit like Gerry Cooney just came up a bit short against the very best opponents...... a legendary boxer tho & who can forget his turn in Land of the Giants !

​@@thinkofitthisway7804if I remember correctly he was under 200 lbs. Light for a heavyweight.

You are absolutely correct but it is surprising how many people make this assumption.

great point. Styles make fights.

yep, that's how I know TYSON would've kicked a lot of ass back in the 70's, people are criticle because he lost to HOLYFIELD & LEWIS, that still doesn't mean TYSON cant kill FRAZIER, FOREMAN or NORTON on any given night ,

Foreman's a bad matchup for Tyson...old man Foreman wanted Tyson and said so on Letterman...post prison Tyson wasn't interested...the fight woulda made big money, i think

Just because A can beat B don't mean that B can not beat A in their next fight

Like a good artist. Not much talked of while alive, but appreciated much more afterwards.

@@billydurham4143 True. HE fought during the golden age of the heavywiefght, which made him an extra, but he was a very good fighter. He destroyed Shavers and Lyle, yet fell short against the big four, often on cuts. It seems Shavers and Lyle are more praised than Quarry, today. I appreciate him more now than ever.

@@billydurham4143 Jerry's big mistake against Frazier was trying to slug it out rather than box. Against Clay he should have done a number on him as he did against Shavers, rather than try to out box him. Oh, I still think he should have had the decision against Jimmy Ellis.

If you're referring to Ali as the cream of the cream, you're correct. That said, he did lose 9 other times, Frazier, Norton, Ellis, etc.

@@lorimcquinn3966 Ali was the cream of the cream. The 70s greats were all beating each other. Many had similar number of defeats as Quarry. Ali, Foreman and Frazier had a bit better records. None were undefeated, or even had just a loss or two.

jerry fought all comers and usually twice,tough guy

The Heavyweight Champs of the 2000s would be ham and eggers in the 1970s. Boxing is a tough way to make a living in any era.

I met Irish Jerry before,good man

​@@HeatherGarcia-di9seI met him in the early '80s. Jerry was a helluva guy. He was both warm and witty. At this time he didn't show any signs of the dementia pugilista, that would tragically plague him later on. I was a huge fan and he was most gracious. A wonderful memory. R.I.P. Jerry Quarry

@@waynej2608 tough as nails too omg the punches he took

Rod Lopez He slugged with Foreman till the end but Ali toyed with him like a small child.

Shavers never learned how to protect himself when he got hurt. He was like the old ABA. All offense and no defense.

@@KingJachai so true, Ali did toy with Lyle and it was still a little risky because it got him behind in the scoring a little bit but when Ali got serious he took Lyle on out. Ali was not a power puncher but he can unleash power every now and then and that's what he did on Lyle

You Too precisely !

Chris Warren He wasn’t even trying. Literally rope a doping him without even being on the ropes. Ali was in NO type of danger. Lyle landed ZERO meaningful punches, I doubt if Ali even came out of that fight with a headache. Tough fighter, but couldn’t hold a candle to Ali. Get over it.

moist rara shavers always knockdown fighters with big punch yet always couldn’t finish it.

Same here

Same here, Jerry fought like a lion

Everybody at the time thought Shavers would win. Shavers was coming off a first round KO of Jimmy Ellis and was being primed for a title shot. Quarry had lost to Frazier and Ali and was expected to be a reltively easy notch on Shavers' KO belt. Quarry upended everything.

explains why he got two tries at both Ali and Frazier.

Interesting insight thanks.

Excellent recap of the fight and I have to say it was right on!

Shavers was 45-2 with 44 knockouts before he fought quarry

Quarry had a mean hook

I will wait for the movie to come out

He also had T-Rex arms and no defense. Tough dude, tho.

@@kekolber868 yeah, his arms were really short for a boxer.

And he paid dearly for the no quit attitude his father beat into him, basically a walking vegetable in his later years.

@ Marvin Murakami. Fought until he was 47 years old. He would be dead 6 years later. How sad it was to watch his HOF induction and not even know what he was doing there. He cared for by the only brother of the four who didn’t box.

He DID NOT have a great work ethic. He came into many of his fights out of condition which accounted for his inconsistency during his career.

Ignoring punches is never seen as a fault by American fight fans.

He didn't have to worry about Shavers punches as Shavers never stood a chance to get off a punch against a well rounded firm boxer. Quarry was just in the wrong era.

@@EinsteinKnowedIt Shavers beat the hell out of Ken Norton.

@@EinsteinKnowedIt Foreman knew how good he was and ducked him even after a 1 million dollar offer. A small coubter puncher willing to fight on the backfoot is Foreman's worst nightmare, especially if he can bang and trade againsy Ron Lyle and Shavers.

@@youngrody2386 okay so Foreman ducked Quarry. I think Iron Mike of 1985 would have been well advised to do the same. Michael Sphinx and Larry Holmes are both no Quarry.

brnleague99 not impressive at all. Only impressive to u boxing causal fans.lol

@@protectorategeneral oh so ur a causal haha

Quarry's heart was impressive enough that he was in the process of knocking Shavers unconscious had the ref not stopped the fight.

If shavers would have taken his time to set up that right when Holmes was hurt he could have finish him but he was so wild he fell down swinging and Holmes recovered he was hurt bad.

Holmes was clean knocked out by Tyson but not by Shavers. Shavers caught Holmes with a perfectly timed and devastating right hand, and I don't doubt it felt like the hardest punch he'd been hit by. But no way in hell did Shavers hit harder than Tyson at his best.

Lmfao

Today he could be champ

@@rafaelreyes9 You do realize he was giving away an average of 15 pounds to almost all the top heavyweights he fought? Quarry was a pretty damn good fighter to have mixed it up with those guys at that time, I would say.

Abraham Jackson Absolutely True !!!

@@thinkofitthisway7804 LMFAO

Yeah me too

You guys must be pretty young

@@MICHAELPONZIO1961 don't be a Richard MIKE

Ahah me too

@Hercules King Deservedly so.

Hey, on any given day... you never know.

Shavers had street fights. Hit anywhere and everywhere. Never seen him obey the rules once. Disgrace what he got away with. When you hit hard and low like him you will have a good record at knocking guys out.

@@SirPeter6464 did Shavers really fought in streets?

@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 not literally. I mean his style of fighting.

@Andre McGoo even the icon features him being warned for constant hitting and holding!

benitez went out the same way , very sad

When OG Ernie shaved all the hair he was like a new fighter 🤭

Good one if we could get the rest of us Americans to use their heads like that.

Yeah, Ernie Shavers was sort of the anti-Sampson. I guess that's why his name is "shavers". LOL

​@@johnratican3824Not bad. 😅

Those guys went at it in the gym no matter the ring proper. Real tough dudes.

Yes he was! An undersized heavyweight. Best heart and footwork of any at that time.

He died drooling while his mother fed him. His warrior ways cost him dearly.

@@MrJC7071 Yes, unfortunately that is the price we have to pay when we go after our dreams. I remember reading once, "Life is an exciting adventure or nothing at all".

@@MrJC7071 So true. In his biggest bouts he fought the wrong fights.

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Lmfao

@@rafaelreyes9 Dumbfuck

He was a yank

Damn right

I believe that the "assessment" of "billthestinker" above is the most accurate. Quarry an experienced and very tough man with some "decent power" got Shavers in trouble and that's all she wrote!

@Mike Markwell George was watching that fight and after said Jerry that KO just cost you a fight with me.

A glass jaw that went 15 rounds with Larry Holmes.

@billthestinker you don't know shit about Ernie Shavers.

@@sherrymitchell8209 Jerry Quarry was a better fighter then you think.A small heavy fighting bigger guys .Today he would be a Criticizer weight champ.

I agree! Even being under trained he had some solid rounds against Norton. I don't think that Jerry could beat Ali and Frazier. But I give him a really good chance against Foreman, had they fought after the Shavers fight.

david cole Sadly, but so true! Nowadays we have the likes of Wilder, Fury and such!

clip11 I think of it like smoking cigarettes, some people can smoke 20 a day and live to 95, some can die of cancer in their 30s. Jake La Motta is still alive and well, while Wilfred Benitez is in an institution because of his dementia.

He was not a quiter.

@@poweroftheriff my grandfather survived the Great Depression, fought in WW2, was a prisoner of war for 3 years and 8 months in Changi, to the Japanese. Smoked 80-100 cigarettes per day for at least 30 years, and drank like a fish to get over his trauma. He died at the age of 97, 2 months short of his birthday. I've never met a man who has survived so much. He was physically active for all of his life, and ate a good diet. But fuck his experiences took a mental toll, and yet he kept on going

He still got his ass whooped by Joe Frazier

Jerry could fight, period

munchkie, you are right about one thing ali and quarry were both very busy fighters who fought a lot which is why ali probably started suffering from parkinsons and quarry suffered from senile dementia.

Nicholas Virzi Yes he could. Quarry had brass balls.

munchkie cocoa So could his brother!

Parkinson's is genetic. if it was from blows to the head, Frazier Chuvalo Marciano and other brawlers like Bonavena (if he lived long enough) would have it.

Haha tyson fury ended up being damn good

Blah Playhard he had the hardest punch in the history of heavyweights but didn't have a good chin, nor did he have good defense. was more of a bomber than anything.

+supra1722 And wasn't known for his stamina either.

+supra1722 "hardest punch in the history of heavyweights" 😄😄😄😄😄

Good eye blah ! Yes, Shavers hit him with a bit low then held Quarry's head and threw uppercuts in the clinch ! This did piss off Quarry's and he seriously beat Shavers Black ass like it was 1840 ! ( or maybe 1740 ).

Blah Playhard Shavers did the grab behind the neck move against Jimmy Ellis and scored a first round knockout. If boxing had any integrity as a sport that result should have been changed to a no contest as it clearly is a cheat move.

Why?

Because Shavers was still in the fight, the fight got stopped after he landed that beauty of a left to Quarry's midsection. The worst stoppage I've seen all day

@The Senate It was my idea of a joke but at the same time answering why it was a bit of surprise as the fight was competitive before my man unleashed.

This is a bigger surprise than ali beating foreman.

Quarry beat better fighters than shavers like Ron Lyle and Floyd patterson so how is this surprising?

He beat some great fighters. Ron Lyle and Floyd Patterson come to mind.

@@larryl1427 he was a very good fighter. He was a tweener though.

@@thomasbays8292 Quarry broke his left hand on Shavers head in this fight and it never healed.When Quarry was training for his next fight against Joe Alexander at Nassau Coiseum I went out to his training camp on Long Island.I saw Gil Clancy heavily wrap his hands and I saw the middle knuckle on his left hand was distended out a full inch. It never healed and he had no power in his left hook.His best punch.His career went down hill from then on.Rest in Peace Jerry.

@@brianmurphy7372 Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.

TKO1*

Jerry had a very good Chin. And he paid for it in a horrible young death. In this fight Earnie Shavers caught him with a few very good punch's but, Jerry knew he had to get him out of there early. And he did. I think this was the last fight Shavers had before he cut off his hair. Anyways it was a good fight. I would have liked to have seen Shavers go against Joe Frazier in 1973-1975. I really think Joe would have got him.

Why is white in your comment. Quarry was a great heavyweight. Him being white had nothing to do with anything.

@@kaseywinbornery5258 because hes pointing 2 the fact that heavyweight division has traditionally been dominated by blacks idiot 4 yrs people were talking about the great white hype dont pretend 2 be naive about this Im not even saying that blacks are better heavy weight boxers then whites but the reality is heavy weight has been run by blacks thats why they say Andy Ruiz first mexican heavy weight holder dont make it into something its not.

Rascal Husky Quarry did have great expectations, however, in the end he did indeed fall on hard times.

Cleazy ______ You literally make no sense whatsoever.

Kasey Winborner Y because most boxers are black..that’s why any talented white guy comes along, they call him the great white hope

And that wad illegal.

Quarry was no bum, the man had skills and came to fight.

@PascalsWager5 Chavulo too

@Chris Warren Quarry beat Foreman in sparing and Foreman said that he ducked Quarry Quarry beat Patterson,Lyle,Shavers... They are good names

@Chris Warren Save the racist BS Chris, some of us lived through that era, you don't know what you're talking about.

Stamina issues, lack of fundamentals that you learn from years of amateur boxing plague Shavers, but if he hit you clean it was Good Night!

Frazier? Shavers is his name Joe beat Jerry twice

Yes, particularly with heavyweights. You must respect any man that gets in the ring with you. If even the most lightly regarded fighter connects, flush and square, it's "good night Irene."

yeah- sometimes I forget the boxing law that Ali cannot get caught , if he does its an illusion. Just ask Bugner . What I saw was a trick, what I heard was a bomb in Fort Meade, and he had worked on a plan to jump on his foot

In their prime, Rocky Marciano would have stopped Ali inside 15 rounds. Rocky - GOAT 49-0

@@GratefulPerson1956 bullshit

@CJ Dillon yes, He was no Joe Frazier, but could still dig Ali if he caught him on the inside.

Prime Ali had no inside game, the cracks were there for anyone to exploit, And Frazier was perfect for that. He can charge right into you even if you were a hard hitting slugger with a good jab. You can say whatever you want about how Ali would be able to dance around Frazier, that style would eventually get him on the ropes, get himself banged on the hips and lose his ability to dance and become flat footed lik Quarry did to Ali. That's what happemed on the first fight, and both were still at top notch condition. Also, Marciano was an inferior fighter to Frazier, but he's got a puncher chance nonetheless 🤷

George J McHugh I totally agree with you! If Jerry had someone like Lou Duva, Angelo Dundee, Ray Arcel guiding his career from the get-go after Jerry`s Golden Glove Career in which he kicked much ass and broke many a jaw, Jerry would have been a true legend. The same could have been said of Iron Jawed George Chuvalo.

Right Chuvalo in the early years of his career went to Detroit to learn and train.However his wife did not like it there so he went back home.I really think he had the edge over Ali in their first fight.

Chuvalo was tough but he lost to Ali by a wide margin.

If i remember correct they fought twice and i believe the first one was real close.Long time ago ?.

Quarry was in the mix to fight Foreman,but when he seen how Quarry beat Shaffer he said that knockout cost you a fight with me i ain't going to take a chance with your punching power.

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Jerry quarry was a cheater! punching when a guy is down he was notourous for it! undertstand? shavers would have annialated him if he wasent hit when he was down.

these were real men!

Then you didn't follow boxing

I disagree, I think Jerry COULD hurt Marciano. I just think it wouldn't matter :) guys managed to hurt Marciano in his days. Marciano would come back and annihilate them. Marciano might get caught, but he'd get up and get Quarry out of there. So, I agree Rocky wins no doubt about it, but don't sell Quarry short on his ability to hurt and drop guys :)

Yeah, probably a fair call to a point...Jerry could certainly hurt and drop a guy very handily. But I cant recall a time when Marciano was legitimately hurt...momentarily staggered yes, but not hurt where he had to properly hold on to survive...where the other guy had him as a sitting duck to open both barrels on. That's how Jerry would need to get him to put him away. Marciano even commented after his career was over that he was never hurt in the ring. I see a Quarry/Marciano fight as similar to the Frazier one...Jerry would bounce a few hard ones off the Rock which might slow him momentarily...but he was tougher and more durable than Joe. I take nothing away from Jerry...he could really thump, but up against the human juggernaut that was Marciano, he would only enjoy moments of slowing him up rather than seriously hurting him enough to finish him. :-)

***** I agree. Fighting Marciano was like running up to the Alien and trying to slap it with a plastic spoon.

gsimon123 I think Jack Dempsey at his best beats Marciano. Dempsey was vicious, big power, chin. Now that would be a fight to see. Both around same size, I just think Dempsey would have been someone Rocky would struggle with.

Tommy Pierce I actually don't know Dempsey! One of the greats that I have yet to see some of his fights. I do enjoy the internet for the fact that great fights throughout history are available to be watched. Back in the day you'd have to listen on the radio or go and check it out live. No replays or anything. I'll have to check Dempsey out I have heard he was indeed a beast.

jimmyd10100 Yeah but it's not just that Louis, Moore and Walcott were old - it's that they were way past their best. Charles was also past his best. At his peak Charles was one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time.- maybe THE best. But though he achieved much as a Heavyweight it was never his natural weight.

No one can beat a prime Ali or Johnson. Rocky was too tiny, 5 ft 11 185lbs, while Ali was 6 ft 3 & a half 215 and Johnson was 6 ft 1 & a half and weighing about the same.

GamerzDailyFix It's also about reach. Marciano had a 68 inch reach whereas guys like Ali and Foreman had 78 inches. and Johnson was at 74 inches. That's a big disadvantage.

+GamerzDailyFix Doug Jones and Henry Cooper, both B LEVEL boxers under 200 managed to hurt Ali.

Chris Rembert Not when Ali was in his prime though. Ali withstood Foreman and Shavers who were both bigger than Marciano and who hit harder than him.

It's not because you were a teenager; it's because it's true. That's why George Foreman was able to regains his crown after 20 years.

Walcott and Moore both knocked him down with nothing punches. Walcott was one of the worst heavyweight titlists ever as well. Moore and & Ezzard were heavies who were old and moved up in weigh. Sorry dude, I know boxing history. Marciano fought no one. And the fighter that he really ducked was Cleveland Williams, who was made to take a dive on the under card of one of Rocky's fights. Why? because Rocky was champ and Cleveland Williams was 26-0. And if he won on the same card as Rocky people would call for a fight between the two. He took a dive vs a nobody to kill the clamoring. Came back and knocked the same guy out later legitimately.

I'd have to agree with you Christopher. With all due respect to Marciano and his family , I don't think he would have ranked too high in this era. Muhammed was never really the same after the 3 year layoff. If he was , he would have made Frazier look bad in their first bout. Match up him and Tyson in their primes - same thing - Ali would have frustrated Mike half to death. That's how I see it anyway.

***** I'm not so sure about that viper. It would at least be a very competitive fight.

***** We can agree to disagree then. When I watch Marciano I just see primitive skills - power , stamina, ability to get up from a knockdown and come back - also mental toughness. Guess we'll never really know. He's the sentimental favorite cuz we like the idea of someone retiring undefeated.

Read all of it then get back to me. Feel free to check my facts on boxrec dot com. Like I said earlier, I brought up Quarry because I don't want racism to be the excuse for exposing that Marciano's record is fraudulent. So I went on boxrec website to see if I'm right. Rocky fought horrible competition. I don't care if RM was purple, that's simply the truth. Quarry didn't. In fact, Ken Norton called Quarry a racist because Quarry actually complained that black heavyweights were ducking him in the 70's. Quarry fought a REAL career. Marciano didn't. RM fought anyone around 190 pounds and blatantly ducked heavier, for example, Cleveland Williams. Here's what I noticed, Cleveland's 1st loss is mysterious 4 round decision loss to an absolute "nobody" (Sylvester Jones)that he would fight again and easily knockout just 9 months later..hmmmmm. Cleveland's first loss also, just happened to be on the under card of a Rocky fight card...hmmmm. My guess is that they gave Cleveland a loss so that no one would clamor for a fight with Rocky. Here's the link: boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=13752 Why is it that every fighter over 200 pounds and could possibly challenge for Marciano's title lost???? Except for the one who was in his 2nd fight and the one with a horrible record whom no one would give a shot any way, all legit heavies lost. Question?? Why is Cleveland Williams fighting a 4 round fight when he's 27-0? No one with 27 fights is still fighting 4 rounders. Again, 9 months later Williams ko'd the same guy,Jones, in the 7th of a 10 round fight with Marciano no where near the fight card. Ok now let's look at Quarry..Quarry lost 9 fights but really only lost 8 if you want to be honest about how good he was. His last loss, he was 47 years old and hadn't fought in almost 10 years. Of his 8 other losses, he lost to Ali (twice), Frazier (twice) and Ken Norton, Eddie Machen (Quarry's 1st loss when he was 17-0-3 vs Machen who was 48-8). He lost to Jimmy Ellis for the title in an elimination bout. And George Chuvalo, who outweighed him by 16 pounds! That's 3 of the top 4 70's heavyweight making 5 losses. He didn't fight Foreman. And 2 other top heavies. And 1 heavy contender who was much larger than him. Now check this out: EVERY FIGHT Quarry lost (AND his 4 draws), he was fighting someone who outweighed him. But Quarry himself outweighed Marciano by 10 pounds or more in his fights. Quarry was actually undefeated himself, vs fighters of equal size. And of those fighters, they had much better records than the one RM fought. So yes Quarry beats Marciano.

I don't think Jerry could beat Foreman. Joe Frazier ,Ken Norton and George Chuvalo had beat Quarry and Foreman destroyed them all. Jerry Quarry knocked out Shavers, but Foreman is completely different story. Still, I think Jerry Quarry could dominate any other boxing era

George18798 Good Points but I think Jerry caused a lot of problems in training even Floyd Patterson said Jerry was his worse enemy.

George18798 yet fraizer lost to foreman and ali beat foreman, but ali had lost before to fraizer. i wouldnt count quarry out so easily

danknasty661 Jerry could give him a really hard fight that's for sure

You're nuts . You might as well ask Gil Clancy. He would have told you Jerry had no chance against George.

@Daniel Shaw Tyson Fury would starch Quarry.

Willie.Jenny Sinclair

Anthony Rangel The Truth is, Quarry, Chuvalo, And Bonavena would have all beaten the Short, stubby, !85 lb Rocky Marciano who was a great fighter for his time and all he beat were old, past their prime Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Wolcott. He Retires and in the wings were hot, young fighters like Floyd Patterson , Eddie Machen, Zora Folley and Ingo Johansen who would have beaten him being faster harder hitters.

Anthony Rangel Quarry, Chuvalo an Bonavena didn't have very good records :) beat Marciano? Not a chance :D

Anthony Rangel amen yell

+barry onefull What are you talking about? Jerry Quarry above all had a terrific record. And he fought and beat many powerful fighters in their prime. He fought with a broken back against Jimmy Ellis, gave Joe Frazier a botch of a time in their first fight, and was competitive with Ali in their first fight. He came out of retirement on 18 days notice to fight Ken Norton and almost had him down a couple of times. Rocky Marciano fought men in wheelchairs. Joe Louis would have handed Marciano over to funeral directors had they fought in Joe's prime. Same thing with Walcott and Moore. A record of 49-0 doesn't mean shit if it is all stuffed with cadavers.

Good comment. In many ways, Shavers was like Quarry. Both had their unique talents and attributes, but both had flaws that prevented them from excelling at the highest level of the sport. Like a baseball player that dominates AAA, but can't cut it in MLB. That was Earnie Shavers and Jerry Quarry. Shavers had impressive power, but tended to be wild, leaving himself exposed. He had low stamina, so he had to knock you out. Quarry had deceptive power and an iron chin. But Jerry had T-Rex arms, poor defensive technique and cut easily. Neither fighter was a paragon of discipline. You can hide these issues when fighting certain contenders, journeymen, tomato cans and bums. It becomes harder as you reach the top level.

What are you.doing after 12yrs?