Marithé Tuyub and like gone girl Lol

@elnubnub The Thing (1982)

elnubnub It’s not really a remake since both are adaptations of the book. That’d be like saying a new A Christmas Carol is a remake of Disney’s A Christmas Carol or a remake of the Muppets one. They’re all just adaptations of the book rather than remake. But yeah I also liked how Fincher’s version and the Swedish version of the movie both tackle the book in different ways with their own pros and cons. I think Fincher’s was directed better with his style, but I also liked that the other adaptation actually had the characters speaking Swedish and I think Noomi Rapace was definitely a better Lisbeth. But yeah you’re right that both are great

And mindhunter

This is a good callout, especially because the book that inspired fight club had a different narrative structure.

I never realized how on par those 2 bloody scenes are, Fincher has a very bold style

@Richard Lopez it was so great! I would have loved to see some of the other books from that series adapted by Fincher but apparently TGWTDT didn't make enough $$$ so we got a crappy reboot last year instead😒😒

uuuuhhhhhhm Fincher didn't write these stories/novels? He just directed the films, (the late) Stieg Larsson wrote the the millennium trilogy (The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo), Chuck Palahniuk wrote Fight Club (and did an incredible podcast on the Joe Rogan Experience - his books are banned in prisons), and Gillian Flynn wrote Gone Girl (also wrote Dark Places) - why in the fuck is he analyzing these characters under the guise of comparison that the director created them all? The only through line can see apart from that is that Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross did the soundtracks to all 3 (plus The Social Network briefly seen)

@@deaconfrost5935 The movie version of Fight Club is actually mocking the book.

@@cgm4379 no its not, you made that up

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especially considering his recurring pattern of having a similar hairstyle and resemblance to the women he dates

That's the point....literally they casted Brad fuckin Pitt for this role to drive that point further. It just didn't reach you and the 62 others at the moment of me writing this comment.

Well he isn't Brad Pitt in the movie, he's Tyler Durden.

I already had those issues before watching the film. The film helped to resolve them. Now I'm just angry at everybody else for wanting to be a "celebrity".

Glenna Smith there is

@Glenna Smith no its about how you act nothin to do with science

@@jimzimmer2048 Maybe lay off the mpreg porn, bud.

@@GoddoDoggo huh

Validation is something that we should all give to ourselves. There's no need to get it from others but unfortunately that is not what's taught out there.

Very true

BMT115 Yeah, they're the protagonists, but they are actually the bad guys.

who's rooting for gone girl?

thats a very good point, is that the case in all finsher movies ?

Not always...I've seen (and read) American Psycho, for example, a huge amount of times, and I always root for Bateman.

Starship troopers movie also

would you develop, i'm honestly quite interested by what you mean there. I can understand how Fight Club can be misunderstood and i haven't seen American History X but i can't really see in what way The Matrix could be enjoyed and referenced by the people it was supposed to be critiquing. (weird english because i'm french)

MALAPIKA DING75-83 The Matrix is about a black guy making a white passing guy “woke” and heavily critiques authoritarianism and people that want to enforce the status quo. Then conservatives and Republicunts basically appropriated the terminology (see how often you see someone claim to be “redpilled” and then they’re some alt-right Neo-Nazi obsessed with preserving the status quo).

@@ravenfrancis1476 Also the Wachowski's both came out as transgender afterwards and they said that The Matrix was somewhat about the trans experience, meaning that the redpill actually means literally the opposite of what alt-right people have appropriated it to mean.

@@bryanchu5379 Yeah, too bad they've completely tainted the term and ruin any possible usage of the word in its ACTUAL meaning. I think the reason The Matrix is enjoyed by the same people it's supposed to be critiquing is essentially too much subtlety. I mean, the movie's about "Sticking It To The Man" and "Fighting the Power" and vague rumblings about oppression but it never really gives the Agents or the aliens any specific ideology so its a lot more vague. American History X and Fight Club are supposed to be critiquing alt-right Neo-Nazis and dudebros that rigidly enforce gender stereotypes while holding on to extreme toxic masculinity respectively, but American History X humanizes and woobifies the Nazi characters way too often for any critique to actually STICK. "Well, he may be a Nazi, but he can't be THAT bad. See? He sticks up for his brother and cares about his family!". as for Fight Club Tyler Durden is presented as essentially the coolest person on the planet, even if his ideology sucks he still gets a lot of love and respect from basically everyone in-universe until Project Mayhem, and even then most of his followers are still fanatically devoted to him and he's still treated as a "cool badass that takes no shit" rather than the deranged hypocritical hypermasculine manchild he actually IS.

Haha I thought the same. Even funnier considering the film was made before Thirty Seconds To Mars had their breakthrough

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The irony during that speech :P

Omg this was my exact thought when watching the video lol

@@rmj8905 pretty much

Ok, good argument, but instead of sharing Bob's pain and vulnerability, Jack was totally cool and a bit aloof towards him... his ego was playing some part in these meetings.

@@cilajoao1 Good point =]

gillian flynn wrote both the book and screenplay of gone girl btw!

A book read by a 1000 people is a 1000 different book

Finally, someone who actually paid attention during the movie. For a critique that derides people for liking the film for superficial reasons, it has a pretty superficial interpretation of the events portrayed.

@Lola Montez No, Tyler Durden isn't his real name either. It's clear in Chuck's writing in Fight Club and the Fight Club 2 comic.

I actually understand why a lot of people look up to Tyler Durden, but they often do it because of the wrong reasons

@@PedroOrdep-kv5vw There are redeeming qualities to both characters. Self confidence. Willingness to act. the ability to make significant change in their own and other's lives. But to "look up" to either character is not understand them at all. The Tyler character represents everything he claims to hate

Marxist tripe. Fight club is about boring stability in life, not the patriarchy ffs.

@@PedroOrdep-kv5vw I haven't finished the video but I'm responding anyway lol Yeah, Tyler is a split personality. He gives him an EXTREME shift to one side, to give him what he needs. Its not that Tyler is right or wrong, he's the side he thought he was missing. Who he thinks he wants to be

Not really. Amy returns back to her starting position. Acting and faking a relationship for the media and all the people around them. Jack on the other hand embraces himself and accepts the love of Marla. Jack is not the antagonist (like Amy is), Tyler is the antagonist :)

How did Ben Affleck hang dong in Gone Girl?

@@BlueIron64 ITS ART BRo

by not espousing a political view that google disagrees with.

Nudity on youtube isn't that rare.

I am satisfied others noticed the blunt vulgarity but didn’t care much either, other then feeling slightly validated for noticing lol

I totally agree! That is one of some of the things that he got plain wrong in this analysis.

I agree. I think it was pretty clear that he was there because he couldn't form normal friendships with people, and this was the only way he could have connections or share emotions with other men/people even though he was faking it.

@@edward2962 2/3rds of the analysis are spot on, the other 1/3rd is feminist ideology propaganda woven in there. Very unfortunate. A shame, actually.

You are correct but that point must be changed to make the point the video wants to make.

@@FrederickObando Are you implying that anything feminist is inherently bad? Thats absurd. The folks who believe that feminism is bad, tend to be the same men view Tyler as an ideal man rather than than a failed one.

this comment is better then this youtube video.

My god you are impressionable

I remember at the time this movie released I was living in a shitty small flat-share apartment, working a low paying job with weird hours. Life for me was just work and buying shit to help pass the time. I had migrated to south London so I didn't know anyone. My existence was almost less than zero but I was trying to figure things out. This movie really captured a lot of the feelings I had back then. What I loved about it was that it told the male struggle from a class based perspective. Sure its cliche to dump on Capitalism but it was much more than just a "Capitalism is bad" film. The movie, probably unintentionally, spoke to the frustrations I was having existing in that system felt like it keep us like little working drones. Maybe that why Brits love a bit of anarchy from time to time (Ah the poll tax riot). In end we all need a Tyler Durden to show up and help us vent our pent up frustration. Maybe not as drastic as the film but a good ole punch up isn't bad from time to time.

@@vinion2000 True dat brother

@@njsv1511 I agree.

Yeah

@@happiyyyy it freaks me tf out cause I was at first completely fascinated and got sucked in to their characters then I slowly see the antisocial personality traits and I get this nauseated feeling like omg they're fucking psychopaths. Made me come to an overwhelming suffocating feeling of how many other people have I got sucked into and was fascinated by that were actually psychopaths/sociopaths and was manipulated by them? 😖

only in a society where male and female need to be put in specific boxes.

@Cherlock McFly lol they're both antisocial. No need to exalt the male because you identify with him

and he looks at himself when he says movie god

What is it about?

the editing at the end of the video is well done, the criticism is a stretch at best.

Right? This KZfaqr CLEARLY missed the point of the movie and book. The whole point of what 'Jack' does is to be accepted. Not to "be a man." He goes to testicular cancer, not to feel like more of a man amongst the other men.....but because he feels alone and isolated. This can be further seen and emphasized when Tyler gets more violent and out of control and 'Jack' becomes more confused and unhappy. Tyler is fucking the girl he wants, doing things behind his back, and starting initiatives without including him. He isn't feeling a loss of "manhood," he's feeling a loss of belonging. Severe isolation. Which is why he feels free to kill Tyler at the end. Because he's learned to accept his isolation and loneliness and reconnects with Marla.

@@oldmonk9997 it's not because I'm a woman. Jack/Tyler says that. In the first 30mins of the movie. He explicitly says he goes to these things to feel less alone and to feel accepted.

@@Orion_TheyThem sis, people can have different viewpoints and ways to interpret media. It is why it's called 'art'. You're being aggressive for no reason.

@@rorococo. not necessarily. Art is often used to give a message or to make a point. To say that ALL art is interpretative is lazy and uneducated. You don't read a book where the plot is laid out with precision and say, "oh, it's up for debate." Neither do you watch films, which clearly have a specific point/message and say, "oh, it's all subjective." If you read Chuck's book or watch David's commentary on both of these films, you'd know that he was trying to make very specific points and commentaries on our society. And Gillian Flynn with her novels....... there's no selective interpretation, here. Jack goes to meetings to "feel emotions/stop feeling isolated." He explicitly says that in the book and movie. Because as a "man" society doesn't look fondly on him having emotions and Jack needed an emotional connection. So that's a completely contradictory statement. Also, let me point out that not once was I being aggressive. I was not rude and merely explained a misguided notion. Old Monk then had the gall to tell me that my opinion was Just because I was a woman. To which he quickly deleted said comment. Because that was erroneous. I merely read the book and watched the film and then watched interviews and commentaries and behind the scenes stuff of David Fincher. But if you think I'm being aggressive, I'd hate to see you encounter Actual aggressive people online. It's sad that nobody can have an actual discussion/debate, anymore, without being accused of being "aggressive." But, thanks "sis." I'll bear that in mind (yes, I know I'm being aggressive now, but honestly? you're using a familial term in an aggressive way......so, karma???). 🙄✌🏻

I watch movies so i can get away from the real world .

then you haven't seen much, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNaoe6l_29K5nYk.html (not by me)

Tyler brings it up in the bath a generation of men raised by women and again on the bus "is that what a man looks like"

@@eliza9011 As mentioned before, Jack does attend many different meetings. The one with the testical-less men was cherry picked in this case to support the thesis at hand. Though masculinity plays a big role in the movie, I'd say Tyler's (Jack's) philosophy and goal in all of this is getting rid of materialism (as he states himself) and help men gain confidence (as he achieved in the early stages of the club), later on it got out of hand, but the goals were still damaging the materialistic society they live in. I don't see how masculinity plays a role in erasing debt by blowing up credit firms.

If the narrator didn't feel lacking in his masculinity and wanted to be manly, Tyler wouldn't be acting like that. Tyler was who the narrator wanted to be.

Maybe its not all fight club is about but If you make a story about men in society its going to be impossible not to also talk about masculinity, especially If you talk about materialism. In society the worth of a man is (more so than for woman) directly linked to his ability to generate income. This rests on our capiatlist social order as well as on older ideas about physical survival, but it is also deeply linked to the provider-role of men in a partriarchial society.

He goes there and becomes addicted like he becomes addicted to buying furniture. Then turns his addiction to support groups into his addiction to fight club. He goes because he feels he lacks control and throughout the movie we see his journey as he gets more and more control. It’s only in the end when he accepts Tyler as being a part of himself and embraces that confidence and puts away his own weak side as the narrator does he become whole and able to shape society.

You have a great point! Unfortunately, many children are born out of a loveless marriage or an affair. So many children are born from that to a point where people just perform love in relationships without actually knowing what love is

i think you missed the point. What Amy wanted was control in teh relationship, not to be unseen. She's happy not being the doormat or punching bag and actually getting nick to "love her" the way she wants him to love her bc up until then she was the "perfect wife" does that make sense? Being the perfect wife only got her abused, cheated on and walked over, hence why she did what she did.

@@MrEvldreamr Oh, i go that love. She was abused physically and emotionally and she was objectified. but regardless, her response to all that was not healthy and landed her in the same position. She may have more control in the relationship but she will never be valued the way she wanted to be. she will never be loved the way she wanted to be. The relationship is far worst than it originally was. Nothing good came out of her actions.

@@antoinealez12 Oh this relationship was toxic as hell...but from the perspective of Amy, i believe she is happy bc now she's in control and is addicted to the power. Thats all i was saying.

@john son I think she wanted happiness and thought that happiness would come from love, but later realized power gave her more satisfaction. I read part of the book, but never finished it so idk if the book depicts her differently than the movie tbh.

Of course it is a broad statement. Does it really need to be said that there are exceptions?

​@@shinjite06 I'm still considering it, but I think we all crave attention because we all feel the need to be special. We only have our own experience and the world doesn't care about us. We all feel small and starved of attention and are traumatized by the lack of it from the time we are infants when we do not understand the outside world and we are not getting our needs met and are unable, even, to communicate them. I don't think it's fair nor accurate to say that women are generally envious and men are generally entitled and that's why we crave attention. Sure there's an argument that men are more entitled than women but without some amount of entitlement, envy wouldn't exist, and without some amount of envy, entitlement wouldn't, so we are both the same, here; those of us who crave attention, that is. I think sound bytes like these, which sound amazing, btw, make us believe untruths due to their poetics, rather than any logic. I just like to question everything and speak up if I hear misinformations that could catch on.

Yeah, I'm a girl and I feel entitlement too. I've had other guy friends that are envious of other men, too. It's like there's this needless divide between genders when these emotions are universal between all humans. Though the need for the broad statement must have something to do with the subject of the video: femininity and masculinity, which is just a dying concept nowadays. So, I'll pass that... I guess. Just remember that just it's not just because you have specific genitalia that you have to act a certain way, and not care for the opposite sex and treating them as 'different'. I sound preachy, but that's just a simple concept that surprisingly a lot of people can't fathom. I blame tradition. (I got out of topic, sorry).

@@Darfaultner We have different motivations because of socialisation, just because there is a standard doesn't mean people don't deviate from that. When I think of the extreme version of desperate validation/entitlement I think of incels, who really do believe they are owed attention from women. When I think of the extreme version of desperate validation/envy I think of "not like other girls," who try to tear down other women to feel special. Now of course there are variations to this, but that doesn't mean there isn't a socialised norm.

So if you think about it The Matrix is a middle ground between them? Saying that we’re all trapped by society

keep it up and the salem witch trials will make a comeback ;)

@@silverman824 maybe men should start going out and start dying in the war :) we would love that comeback

All it takes to get copious amounts of nudity onto youtube without demonetization or ToS strikes is to espouse viewpoints which Google doesn't disagree with. Who'da thunk it?

Or read it...

@@PAPERSCHOOL OR READ IT. YES.

WHAT? COME AGAIN? DIDN'T HEAR YA SCREAMING THE FIRST TIME!

@@oldmonk9997 I HAVE A SMALL PENIS IM SORRY.

@@franzhaas6889 lol