Oh man.... you have been hit in the face so many times do you still have a face??? ha ha ha... Time to rename your channel from Growling Sidewinder to Growling after hit in the face.

I guess u really should have tried listing all the data u have when get killed in the face with excel and some simple statistics. Would love to see is it one circle, two circle, scissors or whatever get you killed so frequently lol.

@@willwong4876 I support this comment. Please donate so we can have an accurate "Hit in the face" stats so we can help Growling to avoid getting hit in the face so often.

WHO WON THE FREE MODULES ???

imagine dogfighting in 2020 kek

i guess it has to do with people finally learning the strengths and weaknesses of this Jeff which BTW is still very new in DCS world's community, 1 year is nothing......But credit goes to DCS community and people like Growling Sidewinder and his server to really dissect this aircraft's performance and potential. It really comes down to ''man behind the machine'' who makes the differences isnt it?

I mean he's dogfighting like every day and applying his brain.

Lol. The not good part was about guns only fights. But ya its funny

it's not a Chinese Plane at all .. but yes, it was built using Chinese Aviation Industries, Jointly by Pakistanis and Chinese ,, and when we talk Pakistanis, it means their decades old experience with the F-16, and what they forced Chinese experts to achieve ... why not build in Pakistan, 1) Inadequate Industrial Setup 2) a non experienced workforce.

@@venome447 I don't get it. How is it not a Chinese plane? The chief designer was also involved in the work of J-10. Pakistan experience with F-16 helped to an extent, but mostly the design was by CAC.

@@zhuravl-m2285 because Chinese airforce doesn't have this plane 🤷🏻‍♂️ it is manufactured in Pakistan

@Musa Ahmad The J-10 is a continued development from the previous (failed) project, the J-9 which in fact predates the Lavi. Mikoyan was more involved in the design than the Israelis The JL-9 is the final iteration of the Super 7, not the JF-17. Learn about what you are talking about first, then talk

I watch these particular videos strictly for the JF-17 "Betty". I wish she was a bit louder, though. GS? A little mixing help, please?

"Wake up, Gordon Freeman"

lol, same here.

F

lol me too. Exact same time! :P

OMG, I totally had the same reaction. Was like yeah that ah, NOPE! GS: Nope XD

hahahahahaha

Check out the YF-17

The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead on the name of another fighter.

I prefer the f16 or the j10

@@cooldude-co9kg i mean they are prettier

@@cooldude-co9kg and the f16 is low cost and is definitely more capable

@@cooldude-co9kg so the block 3 is better than a block 70/72 viper with the best radar and weapons ?

@@cooldude-co9kg you mean this JF-17A Block 3-Single-seat variant. Projected to feature further avionics advancements such as helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) system, a new single panel multi-functional display (MFD), an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar paired with an infrared search and track (IRST) system, and a cockpit with a flight-control stick on the side, an NRIET KLJ-7A AESA radar,[186][187] more use of composites, a new engine, and a two-seater cockpit option, with a top speed of 2.0+ Mach.[77][124][188] Pakistani Air Force officials have described it as a "fourth generation plus" fighter jet. According to unconfirmed media reports the induction is expected to start around 2019.[189] As of September 2016, the design of the JF-17 Block III has been finalized.[190][191][192][193] The PAF is expected to place an order for 50 JF-17 Block-III fighter jets in the first half of 2017.[194]

Actually its the best none bluefor fighter (in dcs).

It's worse than f16 in bvr, worse than f18 in air to ground (just can't lift that much ordinance) so it's not so popular in community. As a jeff pilot, I can say it's really capable but you know, the best plane always gets all that attention.

@@user-if4zv5nj5m The jf is great at bvr when you have a flight of them, the SA is amazing and when u loft them sd10s u can get 50nm reliably

Its decent its best features are its modern sensor suite along with the missiles. The situational awareness provided by the MPCD RWR is great. Engine is wimpy IMO.

@@user-if4zv5nj5m actually I have to disagree with you, I think the JF-17 is much more superior at Air to ground then the F-18. The F-18 can’t carry A/G weapons on most the pylons. A JF with GB-6 SFW x2 and BRM-90 pods x2 (38 laser rockets) will take the F-18 3x rearms to get anywhere near the same amount of ordinance. The F-18 can only carry 4x MAV’s for anti-tank and that’s it for A/G for that trip. Same for Anti radiation missiles. As for the JF it can carry 38 laser rockets for anti-tank plus it has another 2x pylons for more ordnance. For Sead it can carry the same amount of anti-radiation missiles as the F-18 but still have another 2 pylons for more weapons. So although it has less pylons it can actually carry more ordinance when it comes to A/G. Also the TGP in the F-18 is horrible to use compared to the F-18. When the F-16 gets all it ground attack weapons it will also completely dominate the F-18 for A/G also with it SFW glide bombs.

Just a copy of f16

@@Pacifist-wf4dz no it's not lol. It's a unique design.

@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead of piggybacking on the name of another fighter.

@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead of piggybacking on the name of another fighter.

Yes by structure looks similar to F 18 But really a combat proven bro

That’s intentional; hence the “17” in between 16 and 18. It’s made to be a combination of the two. There’s a comment up above where they talk about the Pakistani guy who headed the development and they picked “17” just for that reason.

@@learn_networking1 where?

@@flanker2724 27 February 2019

@@sharpshooter1139 JEFFS didn’t even come close to IAF M2Ks. Used only for ground roles.

Agree plus a better gun. And better fox 2 missiles. And a HMD ;)

Jeff V Rafale, idk who'd win but whomever it is it'll be a bloodbath kill for one.

@@Mike_Romeo bruh it's a 32 million dollars jet

Jeff is in the Gripen, FA-50, Tejas, Mirage 2000 class rather than F16.

@@Mike_Romeo fox 2 are not bad. And Jeff support hmd its even has a switch and port for this in cockpit of Jeff in Dcs. But since no one in real life uses it that's why it's not even in the game. The Jeff guns are pointed down word for the ground attack. And it is very good in that.

Thats a sweet deal. Apparently your dad believes your capable. Hmm perhaps a career if this becomes a passion.

@@dutchbrotherfan1284 its fuking hard to get in. unless you know a general or youre just too good during eval

Someone wrote its hard etc to become pilot, but all you gotta do is just work and try no point in being scared it doesn't work. Good luck dude hope it works out well and you enjoy it 👌👍👍

Dude! Best of luck! And you're dad is an asset. Take care of him. Also, happy new year! :)

All the best man. 👍

Dude buy f18 it can do everything

Block 3 has come out, with a similar appearance, but with electronic equipment and warning systems. The engine did not change.

@@ingdo8707 RD-93MA got delayed, the PAC engineers have tweaked the engine themselves.

@NoneOfThe Above ɪɴᴅɪᴀ'ꜱ ʀᴀꜰᴀʟᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ꜱᴜ30ᴍᴋɪ ᴀʀᴇ ᴇɴᴏᴜɢʜ ꜰᴏʀ ᴊꜰ17

I am 😈 lol. Thanks dude, im glad you liked it.

Buhahahaha. . . 😂 You mean that Samosa??? Rejected by IAF!

@@ashbah87 It was inducted into service almost five years ago.

Yes that battle will be legendary 🤩

Samosa with chae 😍😀

@@abn.berlin1310 along with chatni made of Junk Fighter-17 Blunder

It was Chinese!!! Lmao

@@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819 tera dimagh theek ha k nai?

@@Blackbirdz2000 jai hind!

@@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819 jai bund!

@@Blackbirdz2000 Aap Pakistani ho?

@@CameTo yeah...

Its only fair.

I can't imagine he doesn't.

Yup. Great pull while using the vertical.

yeah that issue of Jeff is not getting fixed

Hey Mr disrespect.

F-22 raptor, please advise, multiple thunderstorms bearing 190 degrees from your south. Recommend correcting course to 90 degree east, maintain 500 knots at 25000 ft to approach runway.

There is a replay feature in dcs yes but it not very good. Also the TacView thing is a seperate programm called Tacview www.tacview.net/

@@Mike_Romeo thanks!

It is but not only.

With the way ED's missiles performed before the SD-10 came, not sure that's a good thing.

@@PolarBearSeal I am on the fence myself. While I think certain modules have weapons that are out of jive with the world of DCS (not saying overperforming compared to RL though that is certainly a possibility). And thus having a standardization is good. The time it takes for ED to get around to updating or adding makes me wonder if future modules might be lacking weapon systems until ED feels the desire (I.E. their own module) to do them.

Um the SD-10 is the Aim-120. In august or September there was a bug that only effected ED aircraft where they always detected the SD-10 missile no matter how far away it was or in any mode. For example a SD-10 fired at 60nm in TWS the F-18 would get I stand warning. So as a workaround until ED can fix it ED decided to make the SD-10 is all the aim-120 files. All they did was change the burn time and decreased how resistant it was to counter measures but everything else is the same. So your biased opinion is in fact saying the Aim-120 is OP hahahaha

well its an agreed upon dogfight and there isnt really much skill in shooting the guy in face before the fight starts, especially since its kind of 50/50. plus it makes for a pretty bad video. like oh I shot him in the face, before we even merged, ok thanks for watching guys.