Especially when he went against Hogan

@@LordSesshomaru86 yes yes so so true he was putting on a show lol 😂

And thats literally all its about. Do you impact the crowd hbk does

And?

@just a niceguy how does he suck in the ring?

I,Vincent Kennedy McMahon, agree with that assesent. Our similar personalities explain why he became a brown again christian and I converted to islam in my old age.

How do you know that they have similar personalities? You know them personally or just making shit up?

I agree with that sentiment, but at the same time, I disagree with JR somewhat. Yes, its not his particular job to manage Shawn, but if you know someone is causing a problem, then it needs to be dealt with immediately. Otherwise people are going to resent it, and people can lose discipline over it. Feel its a bit more complex then what JR makes it out to be.

@@frankydave I somewhat agree with that. Its difficult to tell from the outside how much of what happened was Vince McMahon directly enabling Shawn's behavior and how much of it was the weakness of managers within the company like JR. JR was head of talent relations and if JR had no ability to discipline anyone in that job, you really have to wonder what that job title meant. And JR never says he went to Vince McMahon to point out (lets say) Shawn's obvious drug problems. But on the other side, some of these things - like Shawn doing a tantrum in the middle of a PPV against Vader, the curtain call, Shawn getting beat up at a bar - were known to McMahon and he took no action. And the other thing is that the "power" of the Kliq was really the power of Shawn Michaels to go directly to Vince McMahon and tell him to do things like fire people or push them down the card.

@@Jim-Tuner Here, I think we have answered our own question in a way. I played the clip bad, and while you are right that JR didn't say he went to Vince, I suspect JR knew his place, and knew the consequences if he voiced his opinions/concerns/criticisms. So when he says other wrestlers were making excuses for why they were not bigger stars, I think it is disingenuous for him to say that. It's easy to say they could just leave, but at that time, there might not have been a wealth of wrestling promotions to go to, so your options are limited. If the top boss isn't clamping down on bad behaviour, there really isn't a lot you can do. Like you say Shawn and the kliq seemed to have the power in WWF, and I'm sure I've heard it said that the likes of Bam Bam Bigalow, and one of the Qubecers felt the wrath of them, and run out of the company.

Like Sgt. Schultz: "I know NUTZZZZ-ING! NUTZZZZ-ING!"

Yalls brains are so broken that you'll take stark evidence against a conspiracy existing and turn that into evidence that the conspiracy exists. I bet yall are qanon dumbasses too.. smh

@@iplaydodgeball Probably thinks it snowed in texas because of global warming

No way. Shane just wanted to do his own thing.

shawn is actually vince bastard

@@nothing5283 missed it by that much

@@HoustonSongz He’s definitely had a ton of pull to get what he wanted and Shane has always been defiant and wanted to make his own moves. That might even cause Vince to favor his son less. Hear are the keys, but he wants his own kingdom.

I know the feeling, I've worked in toxic work environments myself, where there were staff seen as taking the micky, and taking advantage, and the staff doing nothing to discipline bad behaviour. The ill feeling spreads and no one wants to work there anymore.

My Boss seems like he wants to put me over the top but I never wanted to be in that high position and I dont know why what he sees on me because I'm kind of quiet at work mining my own business while some other employees are like disrespectful

Iv walked out of jobs because of crap like that.

@@RichSmithson me too. Best employee they had. Never missed a single day for 2 years. Did the job nobody else could do flawless while idiots did whatever they wanted and got put over. I walked out and they called me everyday for atleast 2 weeks before they gave up.

@@jakesellers9447 Offices are worse then High School. The clown idiots get all the praise and the people who do all the work are abused.

Or Vince just liked Shawn, and wanted him in that position. We all know how Vince is/was, whenever he wanted something in his company. Peoples opinions be damned, “I want (insert Vince’s wish here)..”

@@nupatriarch1681 oh vince wanted shawn in a "POSITION" alright and they had plenty.....

Vince protected all of his top stars and let them get away with crap that lower talent never would get away with. This was especially true when WCW was in business and they could be unhappy and walk over to the competition when their contracts were up.

Vince chose Shawn over Bret because he younger and more Talented then Bret. I don’t think that Shawn was doing favors for Vince, heck for all we know Bret could have been one doing favors for Vince.

@@justinwalker2928 Lol more talented

This is a very naive view. Another way to look at it is this... Shawn was turning 30. Bret was in his late 30s and didn't want to pass the torch, even though Shawn had put him over multiple times, most famously at Survivor Series 1992. So he used his own locker room influence and 'respect' buttons to stay on top for another 2 years. Bret always gets a pass on this issue, but the truth is he didn't really make anyone in WWE or WCW except Shawn, Yokozuna and his own brother Owen. Off the top of my head, Shawn put over Bret, Razor, Diesel, Austin, Benoit, Orton, Bautista, Cena, even the young up and coming talent Hulk Hogan, most of them at WrestleMania or Summerslam (shows that really matter.) In fact, I would argue Shawn was the #1 babyface of the company who everyone wanted another title run for sometime between 2004-2010 when instead we were getting Cena and Bautista's 2/5 matches rammed down our throats. Now with that said, Shawn and Bret are 2/3 of my top 3 in-ring all-time, sooooo, I guess it worked out ok for them both :D

@@stevewardlaw Exactly. Bret Hart took things way to seriously, and the way bruh was trying to leave the company and not drop his belt was out of line. Bret is not some guilt-free character.

Nobody wanted to work with him

@@stevewardlaw Bret made Austin though and anybody who does not realise that must not have been watching back then. Sure Austin had the gimmick and the character down to a tee but it was his matches with Bret that proved he could also roll with the big boys in the ring and have classic matches, its hard to name one stand out match of Austins in WWF before his matches with Bret...and lets not forget there are stories of Undertaker standing by a monitor backstage during the WM14 Shawn Vs Austin match to make sure Shawn put Austin over so that tells you everything you need to know about Shawn at that period. You say Bret did not make anybody in WWF or WCW apart from Yokozuna & Owen (and missed out the biggest, Austin) but who did Shawn make apart from Diesel? You mention him putting over people but everybody you mentioned were already stars in their own right when Shawn put them over. Shawn did not make Austin, Razor, Benoit, Orton, Bautista, Cena & Hogan did he lol? Who in WWF can you say "he would not be a big star if it was not for Shawn Michaels" apart from Kevin Nash? Just for the record i dont think there is anybody you could say that about Bret either apart from maybe Owen because Bret lobbied for him to get the rivalry heel position in 1994

@@stevewardlaw I agree with everything you said. Also it’s been said that in Early 96 when Vince asked Bret to put Shawn over at Mania 12 he said no and Vince had to give him a six month vacation and promise him that he’d get his win back in order to get to do the job.

Dude probably got more pussy in a week than you have in your entire life. Just say you don't like him, pretty sure the dude is straight.

@@kenadams9376 that doesnt mean he didn't get any entanglement

LOL.... HE SURE IS LMAO

Fat ass is trying get his old job back. He knows damn well heard this rumor.

I agree. It has been around for a very long time.

Interesting. I've never heard the Shawn and Vince sexual relationship story, just always the Vince saw a younger self thing. But I also don't see why JR would care about a "company answer" considering he's been gone from WWE for a couple years now. And I think his comments about wanting to finish with Tony Khan and how much he loves Khan over Vince would doom a return to WWE more than saying he'd heard this story.

I mean I didn’t agree with his stance on this but he doesn’t work for Vince anymore. Why would he give a company answer?

Total BS.

You know men can be close and not be gay right lol. This comment section is funny, almost like no one here has friends.

Yes, I do believe so.

@Terrance Howell yeah I reckon your right. Maybe it was just a line to hype the “smart crowd”

Right? I don’t believe it’s true but it’s not impossible either. There were/are rumors about Shawn and Vince both being attracted to men, although there’s no concrete proof of this.

Everyone nowadays in the 21st century is sick of egomaniacs acting like a bunch of fools. It’s good to expose people’s character if they’re acting out of line

are you actually asking that ?

@@davidcarty7584 I am being sarcastic.

That, or he never entertained it. Happens when you’ve got alot of shit on your plate. Also those rumors were peddled by people who dont like Shawn, and it was THEIR way to make sense of why things were, they way they were.

Because it’s rumours from internet marks with very little evidence apart from “omg Vince let Shawn get away with things because they were lovers” and point to Mcmahon marking out for Shawn when he was a commentator as evidence that he loved Shawn. The mere fact JR doesn’t know what Conrad is talking about speaks volumes to me. If anyone knew JR would and he knows Vince does not swing that way.

@@RichSmithson The rumour was created by Bret Hart after the Montreal screwjob because he was still bitter and mad at Shawn and he decided to say that and then it became a huge thing and people believed it. Stupid marks.

Yeah he did. Most men & women in Hollywood are bisexual.

@Mister Jungle Bunny Agreed!!

I think it was the case, vince was scared to fire him for fear of exposure.

Bret was a great wrestler but god damn he was as boring as watching paint dry. Shawn was a lot of things but you can never say he wasn’t entertaining. That’s why Vince went with Shawn and it worked. Dx was just as important as Austin was in bringing raw back in the ratings

@@SpaceGhost92 The problem with that statement is that WCW was beating WWF in the ratings until April 1998. By that time Steve Austin had beaten HBK at Wrestlemania, and Michaels' hiatus from the ring had started. In fact, at the time that DX was rolling with HBK the company was still in the midst of financial issues. It was when Stone Cold took center stage when things started to turn around.

He’s not online much, 1. Has a life, 2. And back then he had alot to deal with on the day to day, and jealous mid card complaints or theories about Shawn, wasnt high (if at all) on that list, 3.

He also said in the video how he handled complaints about Shawn. If he’s that dismissive for those things, he’d disregard smutty theories related to the subject of Shawn.

Exactly 💯

Definitely

What's the story?

@@TJB531 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbaEdrWfp6u5eoE.html It’s more you can search on her

Let's also not forget that stupid Trump supporters yelling about the Constitution broke it by storming the Capitol.

It's probably pretty easy to avoid it if he isn't online all that much. And it's not as if people in the business cared about what Warrior was saying during his DESTRUCITY days.

JR doesn’t strike be as a gossiping bitch. He doesn’t seem like the type to be interested in that stuff. He’s like a Chaplain in the Military, whatever you say to him, stays with him

@redeyed ronin I think he's been a much more reliable and consistent source than his bitter detractors who had everything to gain from lying about him. Vince and Jericho have both said that the Self-Destruction DVD was not the truth. In fact, Jericho added that Vince pressured everyone into deriding Warrior; this was Vince's post-court vengeance. There were plenty of guys who liked Warrior and contradicted those negative accounts, but the interviews are strewn throughout KZfaq, not collected in a mass-produced DVD. Interestingly, the people who liked him were not the ones competing for his spot. I'm not saying that he was always the most likable guy, but he found success on his own terms and rubbed people the wrong way BECAUSE he was always straight with them; he wasn't some two-faced politician like Hogan. I guess people would rather someone pretend to be their best friend and then stab them in the back. Warrior rightfully didn't trust hardly anyone and was very selective about whom he befriended. He did things his way and got out of the business with his considerable finances and mind intact. Who has more of a reason to lie: someone like that or someone well past their prime who is clinging desperately to the business for cash and self-validation?

In '95 the talent pool wasn't great but Jarrett was a good in ring worker as well as Owen and Davey. Although Shawn as a heel could run circles around them in promos. (Especially during his DX '97-98 run and his feud with hogan in the summer of '05)

We're talking about his conduct at the work place. Has nothing to do with his ability in the ring.

Yeah but Shawn wasn't a huge beefy muscle head. Even at his biggest he wasn't big compared to the other wrestlers

By people who don’t like Shawn, and resented his position in the company. Consider those sources, as well as the tone and delivery of those sources. JR doesn’t strike me as a gossiper, so its not *that* hard, given his personality.

@@nupatriarch1681 Yeah. I've never heard it from Cornette, Ross, or any interviews with wrestlers that I've seen.

@just a niceguy I do.

He's a top then?

I believe it. It only exists online and he probably doesn't spend any time watching shoots.

@@ad206 facts. He does have a life.

Gag order.

@@ad206 You think the wrestlers who speak about it in interviews got it from online?

He was hilarious but he was getting a bit damaged towards 97

Yeah. The mark of a true artist. Imo he was his absolute best professionally in mid 97-98 but personally its said that he was absolute worst.

Really??? That Vince and shawn where in some relationship back in the 90s? I never knew that?

@@bkohler89 yup yip

It’s really not because it’s exposing the business, especially when Shawn said it.

Yeah lowkey everytime I see Vince now,I see cross dresser or similar energy to Bruce Jenner. (White) Guys of that era had to be overly macho and hyper masculine now most of them are old and have had to suppress that about themselves their entire lives. I think his love affair with Shawn is more professional than anything but i could be wrong.

Consider the source. Bret was great, but all know he HATED Shawn. At least back then. People tend to talk shit about other people they hate or dislike. By now, we’re all aware of the smoke Bret had for the office, too. And we know how it turned out. He came off as “I got smoke with the WWF, its Mngt, and their guy to take my spot! Here’s a crude, embarrassing rumor (or fallacy) about that guy, for the fans to chew on...”

To be fair, Shawn’s hair, earrings, suspect as fuck costumes, gyrating to that music, and spanking himself helped that rumor take flight.

By handling talent relations, production meetings, and his day to day job. He own life and family, and personal priorities. He sounds like he was dismissive of any and all “anti-Shawn” sentiment. That rumor falls under that umbrella.

Issa Atkinson pretty sure he’s heard of the macho-Steph rumors so tough to believe he’s that busy

@@darknightbegins85 did he admit to that? Gotta link?

Issa Atkinson lol no dude ain’t got a link: I think he has but I’m not tracking it down. Point is these are rumors I recall reading and hearing about in the late 1990s as a fan. 20 years later tough to buy JR didn’t hear them working in and around it that long. I don’t have “proof” just common sense

@@darknightbegins85 I buy it

The 🐐

No we all know he ran like a baby when he was supposed to drop a belt. He lost his smile. He had a 'bad knee"

@@BeeBumper oh there's no secrets he was a massive dick with ego issues

That's is shawn Michael's legacy. He can't get away from it

I don’t know why Conrad hates Shawn so much lol

Vince was getting his ass kicked and had to do whatever it took to win. He has no competition now and is getting billions from TV deals. He doesn't need to appease any talent.

@@callum6486 I agree with you there. It's quite amazing that with the product currently being quite poor, they're making more money than they ever have and guaranteed to do so for the next few years, even if the ratings tank to zero (which they likely will at this rate).

@@skybluerob1 The money isn't guaranteed. Both networks are extremely upset over the ratings WWE is delivering. Both networks could at any time re-negotiate those deals which could financially destroy the WWE. The deals are being sustained right now because the ratings are being blamed on c*vid. But if c*vid goes away and the ratings don't improve, the networks are not going to continue to pay what they are paying.

@@Jim-Tuner I didn't know that, I thought they were guaranteed as long as WWE fulfils it's side of the deal (ie live programming every week). Then there's the Peacock deal, essentially guaranteed PPV income for the next 5 years regardless of the tosh they serve up. To be fair, Covid is having an impact, it's not the same without fans, but again, I can still see the WWE serve up the same sterile stuff for the foreseeable future.

Hulk Hogan could actually wrestler and execute athletic spinning and kicking moves. He just didn't need to do it and Vince McMahon didn't insist on him doing so.

@Toasted but yet you respond online so....