The REAL REASON for the Toyota Tundra Engine Recall, this week on jmcGarage Talk!!

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jmc6000

jmc6000

Ай бұрын

In this video of jmcGarage Talk, I cover what I believe is the real reason why we are seeing so many of the failures of the 3.4 twin turbo V6s found in the Toyota Tundra as of late and why Toyota introduced a massive recall of the vehicles equipped with this engine. #recall #toyotatundra #turbo #twinturbo #issues #failure #engineblock
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@socalpaul487
@socalpaul487 Ай бұрын
Finally, someone who doesn't just parrot Toyota's claims. I was saying there was a much bigger issue than the fanbois were claiming. It's a design issue, not debris. It's affecting 2024, so Toyota will be extending the recall.
@user-ux4iu7us7p
@user-ux4iu7us7p Ай бұрын
I agree, however the only slight doubt I have is, why didn’t this surface during testing?
@glennschiffer1742
@glennschiffer1742 Ай бұрын
speculation........
@josiewales243
@josiewales243 Ай бұрын
People want to keep there jobs, failure is not an option.​@@user-ux4iu7us7p
@jameshasenjaeger5181
@jameshasenjaeger5181 28 күн бұрын
He’s only saying something different because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and anyone who knows anything about engines would make these uneducated statements
@sranney1
@sranney1 20 күн бұрын
Ya I had a feeling that there was more to the story
@RYTHMICRIOT
@RYTHMICRIOT Ай бұрын
This issue is also affecting the Lexus LX600 with the same engine, but the Lexus engine is built in Japan as opposed to the Tundra engine which is built in Alabama. A "debris" issue coming out of two different plants seems unlikely.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
A deeper is issue is at play here that is for sure
@danielbonner8309
@danielbonner8309 Ай бұрын
Good point!!
@stevieray1828
@stevieray1828 Ай бұрын
Maybe. Or maybe this engine is more sensitive to metal debris than other Toyota vehicles. My 5.7 Tundra motor had tons of metal shavings in the first couple oil changes, and that engine is known for reliability.
@ironhorse9216
@ironhorse9216 29 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, the GX550 motor, which is built in Japan, is already seeing metal shaving at first oil changes. Not good.
@elim7228
@elim7228 28 күн бұрын
Yes, a very good observation.
@OzFrog48Z
@OzFrog48Z Ай бұрын
When are car manufacturers going to learn that bolting turbos on an underpowered engine to meet CAFE fuel mileage requirements is just asking for failure.
@jeffray2869
@jeffray2869 Ай бұрын
It's really sad because Toyota knew the turbo engine was coming… I really thought they took their time and designed a really good engine… But obviously they did not… They Cheap out and now it's going to cost them
@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953
@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 Ай бұрын
Damn. I’m stealing your summary! I’ve been trying to put the same thought into words.
@4af
@4af Ай бұрын
Because it's not true. A well maintained turbo gas engine can last 1,000,000 miles.
@jeffray2869
@jeffray2869 Ай бұрын
@@4af Not if its not designed for the extra pressure!!
@snapon1974
@snapon1974 Ай бұрын
It's not mileage, it's emmisions.
@Gil4546
@Gil4546 Ай бұрын
They should of done some upgrades on the 5.7 and stuck with the 5.7
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 Ай бұрын
Yep or even build a straight six without turbos. Far less parts in an inline 6 and its a very well balanced engine (smoooooth)! If more power need go to super charger NOT turbo charger.
@sneakin3274
@sneakin3274 Ай бұрын
@@garyjohnson7794 The issue is not with turbo vs supercharger. Turbos are far better than superchargers in every metric except for installation.
@C-M-E
@C-M-E Ай бұрын
@@sneakin3274 Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. Bottom end torque and throttle response are perhaps the two greatest strengths of superchargers vs turbos. Underhood heat retention, burning out neighboring components, additional maintenance, general longevity... A well-designed and sorted supercharged engine will be less problematic and easier on maintenance than a turbocharged engine, all else being equal. Turbos come into their own for a bump in thermal efficiency and if you're chasing big power on a rev-happy engine with lots of exhaust volume.
@christopherclark4774
@christopherclark4774 20 күн бұрын
​@garyjohnson7794 don't understand why they didn't go i6. They have the beefy 3 cylinder g16 engine in gr corolla and yaris. Why not double it, detune it and put it in trucks.... or better yet keep the 5.7 v8.
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 20 күн бұрын
@@christopherclark4774 I totally agree. An I6 is a balanced engine, & if you needed to turbo charge it, It would only need one turbo charger. I do disagree that a turbo charger is better than a super charger. A supercharger does not require oil or water cooling. Is a lot more reliable (spins slower) etc etc.
@lvsqcsl
@lvsqcsl Ай бұрын
I have a friend that works for the local Toyota dealership. He told me the exact same thing that was outlined in this video. They said it was machining shavings so they can just address the ones that have failed. If they claimed a design issue they would need TO RECALL EVERY STINKING '22, '23, AND '24. So, I guess we can conclude that Toyota beat Ford to the bottom. The 2.7 liter I had failed at 85,000 miles. I know we aren't talking about that. GREAT VIDEO!
@rolandatwater6508
@rolandatwater6508 Ай бұрын
I have had 2 3.5 Eco-boost's with over 300,000 miles. They love clean oil and 93 octane.
@kevinvoss220
@kevinvoss220 Ай бұрын
This is why I Ford uses graphite cast iron same thing to use in the diesels. The first batch were not holding up 2013 testing on the 2.7 L when it first came out.
@kevinvoss220
@kevinvoss220 Ай бұрын
Toyota can buy engines from Ford to put in the tundra problem solved
@lvsqcsl
@lvsqcsl Ай бұрын
@@rolandatwater6508 You are preaching to the choir on oil changes. I changed the oil every 3,000 miles just like I do on every Ford I have ever owned; and I have never owned anything but Fords. I also run 93 octane. I have a 4.6 that has 1/2 million miles and is 30 years old. I lost count on the fluid leaks that 2.7 engine had.
@lvsqcsl
@lvsqcsl Ай бұрын
@@kevinvoss220 I also have 2 6.0 diesels and have had every 6.0 problem there is.
@dongill9186
@dongill9186 Ай бұрын
I can see a class action lawsuit in Toyota’s future sadly.
@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953
@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 Ай бұрын
And the only ones to benefit will be the filthy lawyers. $$$
@joeschlepp
@joeschlepp Ай бұрын
why? if they honour their voluntary recall/ warranty . unlike kia who had the supposed engine debris issue since 2013 and DENIED it. class action had to be launched against them. that has only recently been settled 11years later.
@Shade_Tree_Mechanic
@Shade_Tree_Mechanic 16 күн бұрын
​@@joeschlepp All Toyota is doing is rebuilding the failing motors. New short block (seemingly w/ same design) . Heads, oil lines, turbo etc. will be carried over by a dealership tech.
@Loyal2Ford
@Loyal2Ford 28 күн бұрын
The metal chip debris excuse is just to keep their lawyers happy. Admitting a fundamental design flaw with the engine would open Toyota to further lawsuits. Saying its an isolated production problem reduces that risk. KIA/Hyundia did the same thing.
@mentelatl
@mentelatl Ай бұрын
The fire has spread out so far that they cannot deny this catastrophic issue any longer…
@pkdude5334
@pkdude5334 Ай бұрын
A massive buyback is the only solution until they design a new engine. Or put the old 5.7 in it.
@user-vh9hs4qe7r
@user-vh9hs4qe7r Ай бұрын
It’ll never happen
@HiPlains1
@HiPlains1 Ай бұрын
No they will do the least possible to get everyone past OEM warranties. GM is really good at it. You just have to have a great legal department to litigate and to mitigate losses.
@RSHart-d5k
@RSHart-d5k Ай бұрын
Government regulations are why v8s are going away.
@glennschiffer1742
@glennschiffer1742 Ай бұрын
they would never put the old 5.7 back in it
@joeschlepp
@joeschlepp Ай бұрын
or engine replacement at a cost hundreds of millions
@elchoche23
@elchoche23 2 күн бұрын
In my early years in life, I worked with my dad in a transmission shop; we used to rebuild automatic transmissions and a few manual transmissions daily. What I can say is that, when debris was in a transmission, it would not run for 20k miles. In one case, due to error, one tranny ran for less than 20 miles due to foreign materials. These engines are failing at random mileages which certainly goes against what I have seen; the "debris" claim is certainly something I was not expecting. I did have a 22 Tundra which I got rid of for the obvious reasons; therefore, I can speak as a former Toyota customer and not just someone ranting online for no reason. That truck had plenty issues; shaking at stop areas, it would lag to take off, cosmetic issues inside (rattles, etc), loose nuts that held the axles together, and weird knocking/rattle coming from the transmission (it was resolved with an update). Anyway, the debris claim does seem unlikely and I agree that it is more of a design issue. Went back to a V8 designed for towing and have no regrets (no extra bells and whistles).
@mrluis9456
@mrluis9456 Ай бұрын
I traded my 2023 Tundra yesterday for a 2024 Tacoma. Once I seen the bearing issue I knew it wasn’t gonna last.
@ahmadtarik5977
@ahmadtarik5977 Ай бұрын
I do not know anything about the new Tacoma. May I ask what make you feel Tacoma will not have any issue like the tundra?
@mrluis9456
@mrluis9456 Ай бұрын
@@ahmadtarik5977 Aside from the turbo the Tacoma engine is the same that has been in the Camry etc.. the Tundra has a new bearing system in the engine that is flawed. If your engine $32k goes yota is not giving you a new engine.
@StarInfinite00
@StarInfinite00 Ай бұрын
​@@ahmadtarik5977 The engine in the new tacoma isn't exactly brand new. It's been used for a while in other vehicles. Also it barely came out, you can't say it's not reliable. Stop jumping to conclusions 😂.
@gingerbolam
@gingerbolam Ай бұрын
Lol you literally traded one problem for another i guess that's the mentality of Toyota Fan Boys
@mad-meh2719
@mad-meh2719 Ай бұрын
​@gingerbolam the base engine is from 2016 lexus, and first turbo introduced in 2022 and now modified for the 24 tacoma.
@gtr1952
@gtr1952 Ай бұрын
First visit. I'm 72, and I've been an engineer all my adult life. The first one I saw apart, I couldn't believe the iron 'trestle' reinforcement under the mains! That looks like an afterthought band-aid to me. Dissimilar metal used, how is that going to react over time and stress. The whole thing looks fragile. They expect people to pony up $60k to $90k for that?? I heard Toyota bought some "giga-press's". I hope this is not the result of that!! Long live the "Iron Block LS" !! LOL 8) Peace --gary
@larryp4995
@larryp4995 Ай бұрын
Dear Sir... You are right about these CORPS...TOYOTA should have jump on Tundra's engine issues in 2022 instead they push it right to 2024 models.. QUALITY is gone to HELL they need to change there thinking before the DESTROY there reputation.. Toyota is starting a recall of 100,000 trucks there is probably more to come.. Toyota should be replacing these engine with new crate motors NOT SHORT BLOCK engines.. These engines are very complex today they are not like the 1960's or 70''s engines .. I read about the nightmares about the short block being replaced 2 or 3 times on the some Truck... These V35A-FTS 3.5 Twin Turbo engine and looking into what they changed the way they secured the Main Bearing caps by using a LADDER FRAME system made from Aluminum could this be the problem ?? Toyota today is telling us that the issues are cause by filings left in the engine manufacturer are they being TRUTHFUL on that .. I own a 2023 Tundra with 600 miles had to replace a front Diff and transfer case it took over 3 Months to repair . My DEALER was very helpful they gave me a new Tundra to use and the Toyota Corps also compensated me as well .. My FIRST oil change at 1,200 miles NOT AT 10,000 Miles what they Recommended. The first oil change is VERY Important to get rid of Micro filing from the internal engine .. I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..I've had engines with over 325,000 miles the only problem is the Body's don't last in the NORTH of Canada .. My TUNDRA engine is running fine right now with 14,000 miles ...TOUCH WOOD ..Lol
@JackJohnson314
@JackJohnson314 Ай бұрын
I think 5k oil changes is def a must and might help, very upset with Toyota for this one. Quality going to shhh very disappointed.
@michaelrr3575
@michaelrr3575 Ай бұрын
Honestly it has to do with the oil maintenance. My uncle has a 22 with zero issues. Work truck has 45K but he changes the oil every 3K miles. People waiting 5 to 10k is insane.
@sneakin3274
@sneakin3274 Ай бұрын
Your engines fate was decided when it came out of the manufacturing plant there is nothing in your power that you can do except for open the engine and check if the oil passages and bearings look good. Sorry for the negativity but thats just the way she goes.
@4wd4Life-xs3id
@4wd4Life-xs3id 22 күн бұрын
I've tried to illustrate that point to people who just parrot million mile motor. Salt and accidents kill plenty of trucks before engines and trannys die.
@emo65170.
@emo65170. Ай бұрын
I think it's the dissimilar metals used in the block (Aluminum) and ladder assembly (Iron) which clamp together to contain the crank journals. Aluminum and iron expand and contract at different rates leading to inconsistent bearing wear. In the Ford engine, they are made from the same metal.
@alanmorrison3598
@alanmorrison3598 Ай бұрын
Have to say one more thing..Toyota over the years has , in my view, demonstrated that they can and do build the most reliable vehicles on the planet! It's hard to believe that they would release a new engine design in 2 extremely significant vehicles without thoroughly testing it. There may be something unique about the design that when manufactured in large quantities causes machining debris to hide in a nook or cranny no matter which plant it comes out of. Knowing Toyota, my guess is that they have developed machining processes, routings etc. that are stringently adhered to no matter the plant. Prototype machining and assembly processes, (hand built?), may have differed from the final production processes. They should have run a few production engines through full qualification tests and maybe they did but the debris may not have shown up.
@mason7300
@mason7300 22 күн бұрын
I would think they ran a bunch of theses to the limit. So it’s something else.
@4af
@4af Ай бұрын
When the durabilty of other Toyota engines suffered design related failures Toyota extended the Power Train warranty to 8 years/150,000 miles. Lots of owners seemed to think that was an OK solution because they were too naive to know the normal life expectancy of a Toyota engine is 500,000 - 1,000,000 miles.
@loletanguyen1987
@loletanguyen1987 25 күн бұрын
I agree 100% with you. Toyota designed their engine to perform like a diesel engine, but without the rigid structure of a diesel engine.
@randallsmith7885
@randallsmith7885 Ай бұрын
The recall announcement says they don’t have a solution designed yet. If it were debris, I would think it would be a simple matter of better QC during the machining portion of the process.
@patryan3866
@patryan3866 Ай бұрын
100% true. The debris excuse is corporate Toyota nonsense.
@Mr_Bill2
@Mr_Bill2 Ай бұрын
This is just an educated guess as I have not seen in person a torn down short block. I have noticed that at least on one side, not sure if it is the block or girdle, but there were no anti rotation tabs on the main bearings. This is unusual. I was a dealer tech for a very long time and never saw a bearing setup without both sides having anti rotation tabs, main or rod. If neither side has this provision, then the bearings only protection from spinning is a slight crush fit. If this is the case, then under block expansion while running the bearing could spin in the bore and block the oil flow. Additionally if the design is to have only 1 bearing shell per journal have these tabs then it would be possible to assemble shot blocks with 2 bearing halves without the anti rotation tabs instead on one with and one without. Again, this is not certain as I have not seen pictures of both sides yet
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Thankyou for your insight on this matter I appreciate it very much
@mason7300
@mason7300 22 күн бұрын
I noticed a larger gap between the no1 and no2 cap compared to the rest. There’s a lot hanging on the front of the crank. These engines put a lot of torque on this tiny crank. It’s just a bad design. And that no1 bearing is narrow. It gets pounded and it it has no tabs it’s over if it spins. No lube.
@jskaggs8188
@jskaggs8188 Ай бұрын
If I had a new tundra I think I would be considering selling it asap.
@gedigan3346
@gedigan3346 Ай бұрын
The 4.0 1uzfe used an aluminum block, forged crank with 6 bolt mains to control the torsional twist, from the 1989 area. All of the toyota's where over engineered in the 90 for the longevity vs today profits to sell more. Most of the manufactures are sending out the R&D to the customer and only will be addressed, if the failure rate is a large %. Just look at the recalls for all manufactures.
@amberalexisfit
@amberalexisfit 24 күн бұрын
I think you are definitely on to what’s wrong with this Engine. I think it’s metallurgy 101. Toyota felt it should use cast iron main bearing caps on this engine but cast on an aluminum block requires different torque specifications and cast iron expands and contracts at different rates when under extreme heat, therefore the aluminum block failure under the extreme heat and pressure. They should have kept it all aluminum with a reinforced cap cage to prevent distortion. Mixing cast iron bearing caps with an aluminum block is hit and miss depending on torque specifications. That’s why not all of them will fail… some have but over 130k in their 22 Tundra already and no issues. Remember this engine has been tested in the Lexus LS 500 since 2017 and no recall. It was when they decided to use cast iron bearing caps on an aluminum block. It could also be a software glitch from the robots that machine the motors and the aluminum block was machined incorrectly and preventing the bearings from seating properly in the block, add heat and pressure and Wah La you get a spun bearing.
@jameszeiger8533
@jameszeiger8533 Ай бұрын
2 days ago I speculated the following: Thinking about this, given what information is made known, things don't add up with a metal debris explanation given that Japan & US both mfg these motors. I am going to venture a wild guess, not based on any known data as to the cause here. I think their aluminum alloy ladder assembly recipe isn't yielding the rigidity that they thought it did. For some reason, forces concentrated around the main bearing No 1 are inducing a flex on the ladder assembly, causing it to allow the crank on Journal No 1 to wobble vertically and causing the ladder to deflect or flex under vertical rod forces. Their dynamic engine modeling of the ladder assembly, assumes a level or rigidity that isn't there, thus it failed to show this crankshaft instability around main bearing Number 1. I suspect they are going to have to adjust their alloy recipe for the casting of this assembly, adding more rigidity to it and perhaps a couple more bolts to secure or stiffen this ladder around bearing Number 1. Further, their dynamic engine model is going to have to have this aspect of the alloy mixture reset in the formula to show it isn't as strong as thought and the formula adjusted to show more accurate stiffness with the new alloy recipe. This guess makes sense in explaining why Japan and the US with different casting plants for the same piece and using in them in different plants are having the same problem, i.e., the recipe isn't strong enough so both plants would see this inadequacy in motors originating from both plants. Fascinating problem. It will be really interesting when all is made known down the road as to what the real problem was, perhaps if it is ever made known to the public. PS: I am also in Denver...😎
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Thankyou for your knowledge insight on the matter, but I think we may never truly know if Toyota has a say about it
@jameszeiger8533
@jameszeiger8533 Ай бұрын
@@jmc6000 Agree. But, if they stiffen the alloy ladder assembly in a redesign or change the alloy mixture, that will be evident with inspection and so it’s evident not in what they didn’t say, but in what they did for a correction.
@richardoaks3597
@richardoaks3597 Ай бұрын
Toyota sources their parts for this engine from the same supplier in Japan….. the engine build tolerances are too tight for any engine suppliers to machine it in North America. That’s why you’re seeing the problem with vehicles assembled in USA and Japan.
@chadmartin9241
@chadmartin9241 27 күн бұрын
I don't know where this rumor started but it sure has propagated. The v35a is exclusively built in Alabama. They ship the assembled motors to Japan for install into the LX. It's a very small portion of the motors used so it's not a huge cost issue and the profit margin is so high on Lexus SUVs it does not matter.
@jameszeiger8533
@jameszeiger8533 27 күн бұрын
@@chadmartin9241 That might be true, but do you have an authoritative source to list in support of this?
@baracktrump1410
@baracktrump1410 25 күн бұрын
Toyota's PR team knows that a "debris issue" sounds much better than a "design issue", the fact that they have no remedy says it all, a "debris issue" is a fairly easy fix on the production line, a "design issue" can be a hard thing to remedy.
@billchristo7894
@billchristo7894 8 күн бұрын
Been saying this same thing since before the first failure. I’m not even half as experienced as you. Just common sense. 👍🏻
@jaypikachu6660
@jaypikachu6660 Ай бұрын
Read the Toyota recall statement “possible and may be “ it tell everything about it, they try to blame the debris instead tell the customers the engine design problems, it is a cover up try to save the company.
@jameshasenjaeger5181
@jameshasenjaeger5181 28 күн бұрын
The main bearing failure is clearly lack of lubrication from oil starvation, just saying it’s too much pressure for that design makes no sense.
@ironhorse9216
@ironhorse9216 29 күн бұрын
Just the beginning. LX and GX550s are also affected. Pretty much anything with the TT V6 motor. It is undoubtedly a design issue. It's happening with motors manufacturered here and in Japan. Don't ask me how I know 🙄
@hp7093
@hp7093 Ай бұрын
Makes sense. But I’ve read this engine has been out there sine anyway. I’m 54 and bought my first new truck. An early 24 tundra. Yeah i got screwed. What scared me from ford was the wet belts. Should have bought a ford
@hp7093
@hp7093 Ай бұрын
Engine been in use since 2018
@Fireballsocal
@Fireballsocal Ай бұрын
You didn't get screwed. You may have zero problems. Toyota is doing the right thing to remedy an issue that shouldn't have happened but did. Unlike the Ford E4OD, 6.0L diesel, cam phasers, and maybe other design flaws, Toyota is taking care of their customers. This happened on a poorly spec'd head gasket on Toyota 3.0L engines in the nineties. I had one of those engines that Toyota had recalled and rebuilt in a 4runner about 10 years ago. It had 230K on it and was a sweetheart, easily passing Ca. smog tests. Give em a chance to narrow down the problem, develop a solution, and get that solution out to the affected customers before claiming any wrongdoing.
@scrooksful
@scrooksful Ай бұрын
Stay scared of wet belts! It’s one of the dumbest ideas ever introduced in engines.
@KubanKevin
@KubanKevin Ай бұрын
The wet belt is not a good design. Also Ford’s water pump location makes it easier for coolant to seep into the oil if it leaks
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 17 күн бұрын
Here was my comment to "The Flintstone Genius" "With your "fantasy writing abilities" you should apply for a job at Disney as a "Fantasyland writer". Yep were gonna tear apart an oil filter from one of the engines containing "Said Debris" & the filter's gonna be clean as a whistle cause the contaminated oil only circulated around the front bearing & piston. Sheesh, even a "master technician" agrees. If that doesn't keep you away from Toyota Dealers for service, I sure as heck don't what would!!!"
@creigmacc
@creigmacc 28 күн бұрын
Suggestion for those that own this engine. Do an oil analysis after a few thousand miles on the current oil. That will tell you a lot about the current state of the bearings. My guess is Toyota will be doing that as part of the recall.
@mason7300
@mason7300 22 күн бұрын
I think you are correct in testing oil for bearing damage. But it seems that something else is wrong as it is catastrophic in some cases. So how does that happen?
@ahmadtarik5977
@ahmadtarik5977 Ай бұрын
I agree with you, it is likely a design issue, because the same engine issue happened to the full Land Cruiser 300 series and Lexus made in Japan. Is it possible Toyota is using the same machining supplier worldwide? And if so, how the machined parts passed the inspection in the U.S. and Japan. Also I was thinking in the front bearing, from many photos I can see it has been over heated. I feel the issue is design as well. Also I would like to make note, in Toyota’s recall letter, they did not mentioned the fix will be end of July, but they said the will send the letter to the affected owner on July. Toyota team also working on the remedy. That means the remedy or fix plan date is unknown yet.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Thankyou for the correction on my part for the recall letter
@Streetglide2021
@Streetglide2021 Ай бұрын
Good info. I suspect they will pause production of the Tundra very soon!
@seana806
@seana806 8 күн бұрын
We’d all be better off if every single engine on earth was a Ford 300 inline 6, wouldn’t be any complaints about reliability. No pesky timing chains or belts on those engines, just a simple cast iron timing gear which will last for eternity.
@victorh940
@victorh940 Ай бұрын
Best video on this subject on KZfaq. Thanks
@rand49er
@rand49er 19 күн бұрын
I've watched several videos about the machining debris affecting Toyota engines, and they nearly all brought up the main bearing failures. Since the oil is pumped throughout the engine, I did wonder why cam bearings, for example, never seemed to come up. Machining debris would affect the cam bearings just as much if that debris was indeed the problem. Also, the "fix" people talked about was a new short block. If the contaminated oil flowed through the entire engine, why would you put the heads from the damaged engine on a new short block? I certainly wouldn't. What you say that the real problem is the design of the main bearings now makes sense in view of this observation, and the machining debris is a smoke screen to cover up the poor design. This is an interesting theory, and I thank you for proposing it. I'll continue to view the developments of customers' experiences and Toyota's responses to this huge problem into the future. Thanks for your video.
@alderringer8816
@alderringer8816 Ай бұрын
I have a relative that is a service manager at a dealership in New Jersey. When the recall came out, he laughed with me in private and said that Toyota had to say something other than what the main issue is. He told me it was a design flaw in the head, which is overheating the bearing to fail. He said there's no way they are going to correct it with these models. Toyota is looking to extend the Power Train warranty's as a selling point, while keeping their fingers crossed that they don't have to replace too many engines.
@scrooksful
@scrooksful Ай бұрын
This makes no sense. The head lives a long way from the main bearing and has no effect. Next contestant please…
@alderringer8816
@alderringer8816 Ай бұрын
@@scrooksful I'm no mechanic but what he's saying it's the main bearing plate, or the short block itself. He knows his stuff, and they replaced a couple already.
@chunkybuttz844
@chunkybuttz844 Ай бұрын
@@alderringer8816you simply misspoke the first time. You’re talking about the girdle which holds the crankshaft. It’s a design flaw
@alderringer8816
@alderringer8816 Ай бұрын
@@chunkybuttz844 Hey, I don't know the main parts of an engine, but my cousin is a service manager at a dealership and he's telling me this stuff. They already took several engines apart and he said there is much debate on what's contributing to the main bearing failing. The bottom line he said Toyota doesn't know 100%.
@glennschiffer1742
@glennschiffer1742 Ай бұрын
@@alderringer8816 yes but there seems to be a lot people knowing exactly what the issue is
@Slammingutz
@Slammingutz 10 күн бұрын
This man speaks the honest truth. Toyota designed an engine that puts too much pressure on the main bearings. Also, the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma is having major issues with the Engine and automatic and manual Transmission. Toyota is in for a real financial crisis. Toyota, I’m so disappointed in you and I must leave your brand.
@billchristo7894
@billchristo7894 8 күн бұрын
Same will happen to these tiny 4 cyl turbos on the Tacos and 4R’s. When people start moding them for off roading and the engines explode, people will be p!ssed, except then Toyota will say that people over loaded their rig! Whats the point then? This whole small engine turbo and/or hybrid craze has gone too far. Sure, offer these engines as options but also offer a solid NA version too.
@doublezmtnman
@doublezmtnman 9 күн бұрын
It’s hard to beat good old iron bearing caps seems like they traded dependability which is what the company is built on for fuel economy but you don’t buy a full size Truck for fuel economy it’s bought to do reliable work. Forcing a smaller engine to do the work of a larger engine looks like a recipe for disaster.
@markreams3192
@markreams3192 24 күн бұрын
I’m a Toyota Tacoma owner. Great truck. I would not buy a Tundra. I think there will be a class action law suit against Toyota forcing a buy back on these trucks. Because there’s no resolution to this problem Toyota will be forced to buy back these trucks because many states have lemon laws that stipulate a vehicle can only be out of commission for so long. An F150 with a Coyote V8 looks pretty good right now!😂
@cma8165
@cma8165 Ай бұрын
So, guess it might be time for Toyota to go back to the drawing board and design an improved version of their twin turbo V6 engine...
@richarddevito7711
@richarddevito7711 Ай бұрын
This sounds a lot like Hyundai engine debacle, with over a million recalled and the exact same reason given for the problems. I'm not an engineer but the suspicion of a design flaw is certainly warranted...if there is a failure, a completely new engine should be installed!
@yoice2k
@yoice2k Ай бұрын
I called BS on the debris claim right away.
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 Ай бұрын
Some may wonder why an 81 year old would take such an interest in the Toyota problem? Well, Here's why! I had an engine built for my 1964 Dodge. In less than 2000 miles the cam failed. The builder replaced it under warranty. He was relocating & in an obvious hurry. I became suspicious and had a different shop remove the oil pan and check for cleanliness. The bottom of the oil pan was covered with metal debris (remains of the cam). I had it all cleaned out , that was probably about 25 years ago & strangely enough the engine still runs well, alto I know the bearings are in less than ideal shape, but it will probably still outlast me! Anyway, Hence my interest in foreign engine material.
@sneakin3274
@sneakin3274 Ай бұрын
Thats a funny story, I always keep an eye on anything being done on my car by a technician for this exact reason.
@agoodneighborautorepair2176
@agoodneighborautorepair2176 Ай бұрын
Very good comparative between engines..very good explanation and information.
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 Ай бұрын
It's great to see "real information" as to the cause of the V6 engine failure! You would have to have a very poor knowledge of engine manufacturing & testing to believe Toyota's claim of metallic debris caused the bearing failures. Toyota, I'm sure, recalls all the problems hyundai/Kia went through due to engine debris, & are not stupid enough to do an encore performance. I'm sure Toyota runs these engines for extended times, then cuts the oil filters open & looks for debris. I'm also sure they have many other methods to test for engine cleanliness. Especially on a NEW engine design. From videos I've seen, it's always the same bearing that fails? Debris is an equal opportunity scratcher! It could scratch cam bearings journals etc. Of course when one of these bearings spins and disintegrates then parts of it will be found throughout the engine, depending how much engine ran after bearing failure & what RPM it blew at. Anyway thanks for helping Toyota buyers & potential buyers know what's really failing. It will help to let us know if Toyota is really providing the proper action for the repair.
@nickiannotti5632
@nickiannotti5632 Ай бұрын
2024 hybrid just had blown engine with 12,000 miles 30min ago
@4wd4Life-xs3id
@4wd4Life-xs3id 22 күн бұрын
The 2.7 Ford has been an awesome engine. Its suffered from some bad valves but its really been a minor issue from the number of them sold.
@bonusb2924
@bonusb2924 24 күн бұрын
So much for drooling over the GX550…
@usnr5950
@usnr5950 Ай бұрын
I will keep my 22 Frontier. Direct injection is not so much an issue for me since 95% of my driving is highway.
@rwdplz1
@rwdplz1 Ай бұрын
We saw issues with Subaru's EJ257 engine with similar failures and mileage issues due to cheap crappy cost savings bearings, I would bet Toyota got bearings from the same supplier.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Very much a possibility that Toyota is not willing to share
@rodjones812
@rodjones812 Ай бұрын
I said that from the beginning. I think they have an expansion problem between the cast iron journal cap and the aluminum girdle. 🤷‍♂️
@Timokvei
@Timokvei Ай бұрын
Great analysis. Debris issue would make itself known much sooner, IMO. "X-ray showing no engine in that trash"
@stevemorris6270
@stevemorris6270 Ай бұрын
I agree it COULD be a design problem with the engine but let see what Toyota comes out with as the fix next month. I own a 2023 TRD pro and my truck isn’t on the recall list. I think there is several assembly lines for the engine and they figure out the line that had the problem. If not all trucks would be on the recall list. At the end of the day Toyota will address and fix the problem it’s just not going to happen overnight. Toyota is not going to let the Tundra fail.
@callofdutyguy9
@callofdutyguy9 Ай бұрын
Toyota could potentially add more vehicles to the recall. 2024 are not on the recall and there are reports of the same issues with the current MY.
@danmetcalfe9609
@danmetcalfe9609 Ай бұрын
Your pro also has a hybrid motor, which in the event of engine failure will still allow you to move the vehicle off the road. Thus not a "safety" issue and is why it is not also currently affected by the recall. Same goes for sequoia. It will eventually get on the list...
@POW2000
@POW2000 20 күн бұрын
Toyota is lying to V35 engine owners...shame on you Toyota You better fix my Tundra!
@tombox2759
@tombox2759 20 күн бұрын
Great video thanks.
@train1962
@train1962 Ай бұрын
Love the 2.7 Nano. My Bronco has one and my wife's Edge ST has one.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Really great engines!!
@stevieray1828
@stevieray1828 Ай бұрын
I think you are wrong. It could be both design and debris. Metal flakes are found in many new engines even my 5.7 V8. It's possible the oil ports going to the bearing and cradle are more sensitive to the debris getting clogged. It's also possible users aren't slowly warming the engines, and if oil flow is restricted, and metals are warmed up unevenly, it will warp and fail. Also, the psi from the turbo shouldn't be adding pressure to a bearing, I don't think that makes sense. Found on Road Dead syndrome got you feeling defensive and attacking the most reliable vehicle company lol
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Sounds like we a Toyota fan boy in our mist who has drunk alittle much of the Toyota Kool Aid
@stevieray1828
@stevieray1828 Ай бұрын
@@jmc6000 haha. I do like me some Toyota, this is true. Still less than 1% failure rate at the moment. People are interested in this topic right now with everything going on, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion about the motor, but that's all it is, an opinion. My opinion, you THINK you know what you're talking about, but you truly don't. My advice for anybody is to wait and see how the recall is handled.
@Minjoeman
@Minjoeman 18 күн бұрын
People love to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole… it can’t simply be what Toyota said. I just caution you from following down this path when there is absolutely no evidence. I’m not ignoring that there is an issue but will wait for this to come full circle. I believe it can just simply be debris from a process that got out of whack. At some point it was corrected but Toyota must figure out what to do with trucks that are impacted. I hope Toyota will come out and explain this so we can all understand. I also hope they bend over backwards to help people impacted. Come on Toyota don’t let me down!
@alanmorrison3598
@alanmorrison3598 Ай бұрын
Are the same bearings always at issue or do they fail randomly?
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Same one from my research
@bradbowles1153
@bradbowles1153 Ай бұрын
It seems that hardly any manufacturer cares about long term durability. I tend to keep cars for 10 years or more. I am running out of options. I purposely bought a 5 year old Subaru Forester back in 2017 because it had the bullet proof 4AT as opposed to the CVTs they are using after 2013. Nissan trucks have just increased in value.
@rochboulanger6565
@rochboulanger6565 29 күн бұрын
Am I the only person who thinks waiting until the scheduled first oil change at 10 000 miles might be a big part of the problem?
@christophermartin972
@christophermartin972 24 күн бұрын
It’s definitely not pat of the solution 😂😂😂
@tonto2009
@tonto2009 Ай бұрын
I think it was noted in the video frame you showed there that the closest rod was discoloured also.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Very good observation
@iridium58
@iridium58 Ай бұрын
Strongest V6 Nissan VR38 just saying...😂 Toyota is behind the ball building high performance v6 turbos, I dont know even if their 4 cylinder turbo will survive, their strongest engine was 2JZ, and that was in the 90's cast iron block...they should have tested more those new aluminium turbo engines before taking them out to the market...they drop the ball big time...
@KubanKevin
@KubanKevin Ай бұрын
I said it a while ago that the turbo 3.4 was not going to go well for Toyota and I’m willing to bet the 2.4 turbo in the taco is going to have a fair share of issues. Yes the 2.4 isn’t a totally new design, but it’s a whole new planet when you start towing with it on a hill.
@touthoj1987
@touthoj1987 20 күн бұрын
just sold my 22 god who wants to deal with this crap down the road
@Giorg189
@Giorg189 21 күн бұрын
Legendary Toyota reliability
@nayBobb
@nayBobb Ай бұрын
Very good explanation!
@sranney1
@sranney1 20 күн бұрын
Your the man
@elim7228
@elim7228 28 күн бұрын
😂😂i almost couldn't Bear it. It's obvious that the fundamental design is flawed, and not the debris nonsense. Thanks for your video.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@C-M-E
@C-M-E Ай бұрын
I didn't buy the debris excuse either and suspected underspec parts bin bearings or a massive design flaw prior the the recall being issued. Come on, how could you miss a process causing manufacturing debris for a full 3 model years actively in production?! I remember being vehemently against Toyota going turbo V6 as soon as they announced it for the same reason; highly-stressed engines in turbo, lower displacement designs that haven't been iterated on for several generations are going to cause problems. I definitely did not expect the crank girdle to be the problem, but damn does it add up. Subaru EJs have this similar design deficiency in the bottom end and, surprise surprise, many suffer from blowing up when stressed (in addition to oiling issues inherent to their flat 4 design).
@imtheonevanhalen1557
@imtheonevanhalen1557 29 күн бұрын
It's that 0w20w oil Toyota specs to reduce oil pump power loss. It may be okay in a Camry, but not a truck.
@WyLEE08
@WyLEE08 Ай бұрын
Let’s talk simplicity, could the problem just be the oil??? IMO everyone is overthinking it and over looking the obvious. One thing for sure all 22 through 24’s are at risk do not kid yourself.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Toyota has been known to recommend to thin of oil to run in their newer engines
@4af
@4af Ай бұрын
Thicker oil doesn't help - In the MiddleEast toyota dealers use 5W-30 oil and the V35A engine still wears down some of the main bearings
@TheRockgecko03
@TheRockgecko03 Ай бұрын
It could also be the oil change interval. Most dealerships are selling the new tundras with Toyota Care which covers basic maintenance for the first 25k miles or so. The service manual recommends 10k mile oil change interval which is all the dealership will do. I would bet many owners are not paying that close of attention to that and the trucks that are failing didn’t get their first oil change until 10k miles and their second oil change by 20k miles. By then, the damage is done.
@elim7228
@elim7228 28 күн бұрын
How did they test the engine? How is it possible to miss that during stress and endurance testing? Outsourced some testing is a strong possibility.
@garyjohnson7794
@garyjohnson7794 Ай бұрын
This isn't "Rocket Science" Anyone with the Toyota Turbo V6 change your oil. Cut your oil filter apart & check it for metallic particles. If you don't think you're capable of tearing apart an oil filter take it to a machine shop. Also send the changed oil out for analysis. Before I retired I owned and ran a company that sold & serviced Equipment that Caterpillar Tractor used for engine oil analysis. A good oil analysis can tell you every metal that's in that engine oil and hence what parts are failing or if there are metal particles in the oil & what they are from. Doing this oil filter and oil analysis will give you a "Heads up" on what's going on with your engine (Before it fails)! If everybody does this and post the results here in this forum, We will know for sure if it was foreign particles that caused the failure or the engine failed with "Clean oil".
@TheATOMKOW
@TheATOMKOW 20 күн бұрын
Turbo charge the 5.7 and we’ll call it a day lol
@adidas2284
@adidas2284 Ай бұрын
I agree with it being a design flaw and it not being this "machining debris". Super hot main bearing = lack of oil flow whether it's from super tight clearance or restriction within that oil galley. The motor being boosted has nothing to do with that. What MAY be happening is the main line is being machines at a certain torque but finally assembly may be putting too much pressure on that cap. Combine that with trying to run a 0w20 oil is a disaster waiting to happen. 0w20 oil on a turbo motor is fine but If isn't clearanced correctly, it will fail no matter what you "try" to do for a bandaid. Cast iron and aluminum expand at different rates. Tighter clearance is needed on aluminum to allow the bearings to "open up" when the motor is completely warmed up. My proposal to fix, maybe a stronger bearing girdle with ARP 2000s or 625+ bolts and a main line bore to open up the mains .005. run a 0w30 and call it a day
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Thankyou for your input!
@deimosphob
@deimosphob Ай бұрын
The ford is a completely different design. The Toyota design is more comparable to say a VR38Dett from a gtr. Realistically this looks pretty strong, yeah not nearly as strong as the VR engine, but a similarly designed cradle on a VR38dett from nissan can handle 2000hp if you do the supporting mods, comes stock with 500. The v35a-fts's cradle design only has to handle 400, so the webbing and material reduction doesn't seem too far fetched to be fine, and the papers showing materials stressing appears to show that. I think at a base level its likely something to do with keying the cradle to the block, or potentially improper honing leading to increased main bearing stress. Even a tiny amount of sealant on that cradle can cause it to walk, and as we've seen with subaru's, toyota loves to overuse that shit and let it make its way into places its not supposed to be. Also, if a subaru engineer happened to work on this, they probably also forgot to properly lubricate the bearing, we could just see them upgrading the oil pump and drilling out main bearing oil galleries in later engines and going up to a higher weight oil "as they should with these turbo engines"
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
This is such a good observation and explanation, thankyou for your input!!
@zogmandowsky
@zogmandowsky 27 күн бұрын
I believe there is an engine design flaw in this engine. If you listen to all of the information out there, including Toyota, the foreign material story just doesn’t hold up. They’ve got a BIG problem with loyal owners that want, and should, get a full drop in replacement at no cost to them. The cost in this type of recall-if swapping engines out, would be soooo expensive -that’s why they came up with the convenient foreign material issue rather than a design issue! WILL TOYOTA DO THE RIGHT THING??? ….
@alanmorrison3598
@alanmorrison3598 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't you think the excess heat is a result of what used to be called "saddle stretch"? In other words, misalignment of the main bearing bores caused by loads higher than expected and this in turn causes the heating and ultimate failure?
@4wd4Life-xs3id
@4wd4Life-xs3id 22 күн бұрын
All these people saying put the 5.7 back in is something that will never happen. Toyota is the only maker to drop their fleet average, and by 1 mpg. They are playing catch up and have no choice but to downsize and turbocharge. Just like all the other manufacturers.
@sheri2578
@sheri2578 Ай бұрын
So if this was true about the design issue theory why wasn't the issue present in 2017 when the engine originally came out ?? I believe the issue is something changed in the machining process / or possible lack of attention to details when the plants moved to USA. The engine has been in the Lexus LS 500 since 2017 with no issues in the car it makes 416 hp @ 6000 rpm and 443 ft/lbs.
@iaintshtnya
@iaintshtnya 12 күн бұрын
Not enough bearing area and oils are now too thin.
@gatordunn
@gatordunn Ай бұрын
does this affect the hybrid V6?
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
No, only the regular non hybrid ones
@glennh3977
@glennh3977 Ай бұрын
So why are some Gen 3 Tundras already at 70,000 miles with no issues? One guy tows equipment and does construction, no issues. From what I understand they’re recalling 100,000 engines and only something like 78 have failed (0.04%). 78 failed engines still sucks but its not like every third engine is failing.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
For some unlucky owners, they are on their 3rd engine from Toyota for the same issue
@jeffgilmore3268
@jeffgilmore3268 Ай бұрын
I have a 22 Tundra,good so far!
@craigslistseller9354
@craigslistseller9354 Ай бұрын
Toyota...the Pride Before The Fall....
@BlackWarriorLures
@BlackWarriorLures Ай бұрын
Honestly, if they were going to all boosted engines, they should have changed everything to diesel. The mass of a diesel engine is much better at handling all this boost.
@Ilovegirlfights2
@Ilovegirlfights2 Ай бұрын
Urea injection, egr coolers , and other emissions equipment are a nightmare. Urea injection or def injection sprays the exhaust to remove pollutants from exhaust gases Egr cooler uses coolant too exhaust gas temperature down Factor in Toyota techs don’t have any experience doing maintenance on them would be a problem also. That was one of the issues with the diesel titan the dealers didn’t know how to work on them
@WBSoCal
@WBSoCal Ай бұрын
John. Given all your engine knowledge, would love to here what you have to say about cross plane and flat plane crank designs. Wherever comes to your mind...
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
I can do that in another jmcGarage Talk video as there is so much to say and cover than just a text response could provide
@AuralioCabal-nl8gi
@AuralioCabal-nl8gi 27 күн бұрын
Toyota Tundra got a name change " TURDRA"😆
@davidsdean
@davidsdean Ай бұрын
Looks more like an issue with the main bearing and shaft not machined up to tight enough tolerances, the main bearing has suffered from friction caused by the crankshaft cavitating ever so slightly.
@TheLoera12345
@TheLoera12345 Ай бұрын
I agree 👍 💯
@q8mechanic427
@q8mechanic427 Ай бұрын
Nonsense! Metal shavings will be trapped in the filter on the first drive. New engines produce some shavings too... The 0w20 oil is the culprit! The same problem is in the 6.2 L87 and no one will admit it... No one dares to ruffle the feathers of CAFE and EPA.
@jonesjones7057
@jonesjones7057 14 күн бұрын
Metal shavings left JUST prior to the bearings would immediately begin to plug the oil delivery so that COULD happen before that specific oil ever goes to the filter. Having said that, I absolutely think the metal shavings theory is total bs. There may be shavings here and there but this problem is much more likely a design flaw and as you said, that 0W20 sure as hell isn't helping.
@myyakkyard4985
@myyakkyard4985 20 күн бұрын
Do you want to get this problem solved, go to Google maps at every Toyota dealership across the United States and Tell your story about the purchase that you made with your worthless truck that you have right now, just like I do! Go and give a one-star review if that's what you think you bought and give the review and make sure you let him know 100%. That you're not going to buy another Toyota product ever again in your life unless they handle this the right way. And that doesn't mean rebuilding half of the engine because we already know that that doesn't work and those engine have already failed again. So it doesn't mean swapping out the whole engine either because I'm not sure about you. But I'm not sure if I want my local dealership with their hands inside of my engine taking apart every single connection there is and putting them all back together correctly! They do not have a sterile environment to do all these things. Those are done in a factory for a reason they're not done at your local dealership for a reason. Otherwise they would build the trucks right there! Go do a review and let them know what you think. Believe it or not, those reviews work
@abirsanu
@abirsanu Ай бұрын
And that’s for Toyota getting government money for emissions compliance. And all this will go into customer repairs. There is a phrase, don’t know the equivalent in English, “The greedy pays twice more”
@dannyfloyd1368
@dannyfloyd1368 Ай бұрын
V-8 tried and TRUE go back to it
@andrewschutte
@andrewschutte Ай бұрын
Really think Toyota needs to contact this guy in the video or even fly him out to where they make and assemble these engines.
@jmc6000
@jmc6000 Ай бұрын
Wow thankyou for the kind words
@thechallengemasters
@thechallengemasters Ай бұрын
That's my dad for you
@puffnstuff12
@puffnstuff12 Ай бұрын
Sadly my oldest son bought a '24 crew cab 4x4 limited a few months ago and I hope that if this rears its ugly head that his dealer will take care of him. I stopped drinking the Toyota Kool-Aid a long time ago.
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