"Guenevere finds the box, this puts a damper on their relationship" ahh yea, to put it lightly lol

Apparently, when the first season of "You" premiered, there were so many women who were enthralled with Joe. The actual actor, Penn Badgely, felt strongly disgusted by this phenomenon. I was glad to see him address those issues by explaining how truly evil and "sick" the character of Joe actually is and how unhealthy it was to fantasize about the character. The show can be interesting to watch, but Joe gave me the instant chills and having had a dangerous stalker, I had a hard time understanding why anyone would romanticize his creepy character.

"People don't typically aspire for a romance that results in one's death" i love it

I appreciate that Penn Badgely doesn't romanticize Joe when he discusses the character - he's even said that he can't think of Joe as a real person, he's just a mass of id impulses wrapped up in a handsome package; great fun to play, but not a guy you could ever meet - hopefully.

I'd love to see an analysis of Amy from "Gone Girl"

Dang, you're just breaking down everyone's mental health. NO ONE IS SAFE! FEAR THE GRANDE!

"he is manipulative but in a polite way"

He is indeed sensation seeking. He is in love with love itself. He chases that sensation of flirting, seducing, and being accepted and loved.

interesting, Dr. Grande doesn't even diagnose fictional characters. Now, that's professional.

Of course he's fictional so I'm just speculating, but here's some of my thoughts in response to what you said - I think Joe's thoughts are more upbeat, "empathetic", seemingly rational because he's just constantly lying to himself about who he is. He knows the difference between right and wrong, he just constantly chooses to do the wrong thing because it's what he wants to do, and rationalises it to fit his ideal image of himself. He thinks he's a hero for stalking Beck, murdering her boyfriend and Peach. Where the inconsistency comes I think is in situations where for example he "goes dark" like you say, cold, and does things like kill Beck, frame the psychiatrist for murder and attempt to murder Love (before she says she's pregnant) with little inner dialogue that explains his reasoning except to just get away with it. I guess the implication is that most of the time he is trying insanely hard to appease this image he has of himself, but when he "needs" to, he can switch that off to avoid capture. However in some scenes he's visibly disgusted by Gore and blood etc.

Can you do a psychological profile on those who "catfish" others???

"The murder is a substitute for the relationship that they are not able to have...." ( in re: serial killers). BAM! Thank you!

Joe is definitely more of a stalker than a serial killer. Stalking is really what “turns him on” and makes him feel like himself not killing.

Something that drew me to the character of a Joe was his internal monologue. I’m in therapy right now and that’s something I struggle with with my mental health is my logic an emotional always negotiating with each other. It is this constant inner monologue and I’m always being introspective and trying to figure out why I think the way I do and why I do the things that I do. I’m very ego dystonic, conflicted in my head, and trying to be as pro social as possible. I really appreciate your take on this character as always 🤗 thank you for giving your professional opinion and analysis.

Dr. Grande, have you had an opportunity to watch season 3 of 'You' yet? I'd love to hear your thoughts and analysis on the mental health and personality factors at work for the characters from this season!

Could you analyze Norman Bates and his Mother?

He thinks he’s the solution and that he’s the only one that can make these women he obsessed over fully happy. He thinks for them while never considering what they actually think and once he decides he wants them, he must have what he wants. He’s seems to lack empathy and the love he’s been deprived of as a kid has completely warped his sense of what love is. It’s all about him.

Could he also be borderline? He doesn’t seem to have that much of an identity and makes the pursuit of his romantic target his whole identity. Murdering people who threaten his relationship could also be considered frantic efforts to avoid abandonment.

Joe’s whole vibe really really reminded me of someone I once knew. As far as I’m aware, they never killed anyone lol, but according to them, they wanted to. For the same reason Joe explains it in the narration of the show. He was trying to protect someone he really obsessed over. Needless to say, I got out that situation quickly. He was probably talking a load of nonsense, but still. Joes version of love isn’t love. It’s an idealised obsession. But not in the psychopath kind of way. In my opinion, his traits line up more with very severe Borderline Personality Disorder. I only say this bc it’s a diagnosis the guy I knew actually had. Joe doesn’t have a social life. He doesn’t have friends. As of season 2, you never really see any friends from when he was growing up, only the bookstore owner, and his parents. Who both treated him terribly or abandoned him in one way or another. BPD is usually ‘triggered’ through abuse/abandonment in childhood. People with BPD may cling to someone they live in later life. They’re petrified of that person leaving, or getting hurt. So in Joe’s case, didn’t want to hurt Beck, but wanted to hurt anyone who could of took her away from him. BPD is also characterised as “bad” or unstable thoughts about one’s self, but if it gets severe enough, could probably be about someone else. Also psychosis in the form of hallucinations and delusions are not uncommon with people with untreated BPD. We know that Joe has serious delusions. About not only his thoughts of the future and the unrealistic expectations with his obsessions, but he over reacts in regards to the people the obsession in involved with. I don’t think Joe is a psychopath. He doesn’t want to hurt people. He wants to protect his obsession. It’s all about her. Not him, not the victim. Always the obsession. He doesn’t have a strong sense of self. If someone asked you to write a paper on the identity, likes, dislikes and career aspirations of Joe, I doubt you could do it. Because he lives for his love. We hear the literal thoughts in his head, but it’s never about how he “likes that donut” it’s always about the obsession, who made him the donut. The only hobby we know he has, outside of following his lovers around, is books. But that’s only because he was made to respect them, by his childhood abuser. We don’t know anything else about him, but we know so much about everyone else. We even know more about his neighbour’s teen sister more then we know about the protagonist. For people with severe BPD, at least in the case of the guy I use to know, I didn’t know anything about him. It was all about the person he loved. He only played the game he “liked” bc she played it. He only liked the food he ate bc she did. And Joe does the same- in a way. You never really see him having a good preference, but he’ll like anything that his obsession makes him. You never know how he feels about going to clubs or family gatherings with his lovers, he’s always too preoccupies with making sure no one says anything to upset or bother his lover. In season 1, I think he only feels bad for Paco, is because he knows what it’s like to have fighting parents. And an abusive father figure. So I believe he feels for paco. Something someone with ASPD probably wouldn’t or couldn’t do. Joe seems so unphased by everything. Doesn’t care that he meets a celebrity, doesn’t show any form of anxiety. It’s like his entire identity is mushed up, only concerned about his obsession. Which I’ve noticed a lot of people miss out on. Do we ever actually see him reading a book? Or even watching tv. No. Not unless someone tells him to watch a certain movie. Or he’s doing it to please someone. It’s like the only thing in his mind is the person he loves. But if he was a psychopath, he wouldn’t feel empathy. Which he does. But in a weird way. He feels for first his young neighbour Paco, and then his young neighbour teenage neighbour. It’s like he’s still hurting from his childhood. So he wants to protect the kids around him. When he first meets a girl that becomes his obsession, one of the first thoughts he has is how happy them and their kids will be. Like he wants to create the perfect family that he never got to have. And has fixated on the idea. This guy is not another dexter. he’s a broken person who is fixated on meeting the perfect girl to have a perfect family that he never got to have. He just might not know how to stop his impulses, which is another main symptom of BPD.

Completely forgot about this show and character, but a great one to analyze!

So from what I’m gathering, it’s essentially Diet Dexter.

If you haven't already, I'd love to see David Duchovney's character from Californication. :)

Which one of y'all made DR. G watch both seasons of You? 🤣🤣

I just found your channel a month or so ago, but jeez, I'm hooked. This stuff is so interesting!

Dr. Grande, please do an analysis on the personality of Larry David from 'Curb your Enthusiasm'.

Agree that Season 2 was too disorganized. A few times I found myself talking to the TV saying “that would never happen!” 😆😆🤷🏼‍♀️ Thanks for the interesting video! 💗💖💗

Hello. Could you please also make an analysis of the character "Peach"? I'd be very interested in that, because I have known somebody with similar traits in real life.

Since movies often fall short have you considered a "top 5 closest depictions of X mental illness?

It kind of reminds me of when I was in high school, how the Twilight books and other vampire and werewolf romance books were new and popular. I think YA fiction audiences love the idea of dating someone dangerous. It's why so many girls enjoy making fan fiction and fan art of horror movie villains and 'creepypasta' monsters. I think it's often harmless, from what I've seen, but the idea of romanticizing 'realistically portrayed' killers upsets me, just because it seems so disrespectful to the real victims of those types of crimes and their families. It also nurtures the idea that a killer's 'one true love' can fix them and save them from themselves, and that abusive relationships are more attractive due to their emotional complexity.

I really appreciate how Dr. Grande has so much insight as to the differences in personality factors; the OCEAN model is really fascinating to me. Maybe we need to start "charting" the OCEAN results for each character! Thank you, Dr. Grande!

“This really puts a damper on the relationship,” 😩😂

Could you also cover Killing Eve (specifically Eve, Villanelle, and their relationship)?

There's a few videos titled 'glorification of mental illness' and also 'vilification of mental illness' here on youtube. I'd be super interested to know your thoughts on these videos. loved this analysis!

Been looking forward to this one!

It would be interesting to see Dr. Grande review the show Mindhunter since it's about two FBI agents trying to analyze serial killers.

Dr. Grande, from the bottom of my heart - THANK YOU for your videos and podcasts, and for sharing your amazing insights. I’ve been very down lately, and finding you was truly a blessing! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Hope all is well!

This character always reminded me of your video "How to Appear Less Creepy!" LOL

Paul Spector from "The Fall" seems to be portrayed more realistically, still I'm not sure if his creepiness and his "kind of caring for his family, though not enough" completely go together - though there was this serial killer who doubled as the perfect dad for years and years. Paul Spector seems to be torn between his warped sexual urges and his kind of caring for his family and clients who seem like an anchor to a healthier, "saner" life. Still, something about his general "niceness" and sensitivity when "in the normal world" seems inconsistent with a serial killer's personality. He can also act quite cowardly and then grandiose when with his victims, but I think that is not inconsistent. I would really appreciate it if you analysed him, Dr. Grande! His combination of character traits really freaked me out, and I think I need to know it is an impossible one or at least learn to understand it!

I remember when the first season came out and seeing so many women fawn over Joe and what he was doing. Saying it was "soooo romantic, wish a guy would be interested in me like that". It made me feel sick. One day in middle school I was just talking with this guy I barely knew and suddenly said "Oh I loved that pic you posted online so much that I downloaded it, look" and proceeded to show me it. I instantly felt sick to my stomach. Couple that with my interest in true crime and seeing how erratic people can act, I just try to go through life unnoticed. I post a new pic maybe once a year, no personal information, etc. Social media can be a scary place and people should be careful with what they post.

it all started cause of his damn parents

I have been waiting for this analysis for months!!!

Pls do a analysis of house from house md

I’ve been waiting for this video ever since finding Dr. Grande’s channel. I was not disappointed!

Dr Grande you're amazing! I love the variety. I don't know of this show or character, yet you make it compelling and a learning curve.

I'm somewhat early and I'm so happy that you decided to cover Joe (even though he's a fictional character)! The story is so intriguing. You've mentioned that a true movie depiction of a serial killer could never be shown in movies because of the intensity, it being disturbing and other factors.. However, would you consider American Psycho starring Christian Bale or Natural Born Killers, a somewhat realistic depiction of serial killers? If not, I'm interested to know what you think the closest adaptation of a true, realistic serial killer movie would be? Thanks Dr. G!

"This really put a damper on the relationship" LOL I love it ! Thank you Dr. Grande for keeping up the amazing content !

Just yesterday I was re-watching the series and wondered it would be so interesting if Dr Grande did an analysis of Joe's mental health and characteristics! Thank You!

This was so great! I've watched all the seasons so far, but I loved how you pointed out the realty of 'real' killers, vs. Fictonal killers in this type of series!!

I'd love to hear you analyze the people in the Bible 😬

"Joe has a series of 'adventures'" - I dunno why but every time you said that I kinda laughed a little :) I like your sense of humor. Also, you should watch "The increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margret" and do a diagnosis video on that series HAHAHA You'll love it I think if you haven't seen it yet! Give it 3 episodes cause it snowballs into chaos

WOWOW! I just asked for this one yesterday! Either you read my mind or work faster than I thought!

"He isn't impulsive" proceeds to bash peach over the head without thinking about it

That show was crazy good. Can't wait for season 3! & Chris D'Elia would be an interesting topic of discussion too

Dr. Grande: "If they were accurately represented, the result would be a horyfing movie or TV show - too violent to be enjoyable, and probably even too much so to even be appropriate to watch." You mean, like The House That Jack Built from Lars von Trier, with Matt Dillon in main role? I barely sat through that movie, and want to forget it ever existed.

Great video! Thanks Dr Grande 😀 I watched & really enjoyed both seasons of "YOU". I'm so looking forward to the upcoming season!

Yes!!!! I was waiting for this! I love this show!

Dr Grande, I’m here just for your analysis, you make the actual show and character more interesting ❤️ There is an English show called Doc Martin, I will like to watch an analysis of his personality!

I watched this series! THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!! OMG!!

You can always tell a good doctor by their ability to teach. Another fantastic analysis video. I enjoy your content, Dr. Grande.

I just had a look at your channel earlier TODAY to see if you had made a video on him and now you have. I could sense it

A few points: 1. Joe is an unreliable narrator. He THINKS he's a moral killer - or he wants to create the illusion that he is. 2. He seeks to increase control over the love interest through removal of others around her - at least in season 1. But this is indeed inconsistent. 3. Jeffrey Dahmer is one example of a serial killer who did not enjoy the actual killing, nor did he appear to understand his own "urges". It was a means to an end, as it seems to be for Joe.

For realistic and compelling portrayals of serial killers, I recommend The Vanishing (1988), Angst (1983), Badlands, and Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

Omg I requested this!! Thank you for doing it I can’t wait to watch 🥰

OMG! I have been wishing upon wishing you would do a vlog on good old Joe! I rarely binge watch anything but I binge watched this! 👏👏👏❤❤❤

I'm REALLY interested to see if you do a review of season 3, since it is (again) SO different from the other two seasons. Not to spoil anything but there's definitely more than one person you could review the mental health of.

Hi Doc! Would you consider making a video about how different mental and personality factors may affect the likelihood that someone will accept responsibility for their behaviour (whether destructive or criminal)? E.g. maybe those with NPD, ASPD, and disorders that are egosyntonic are less likely to admit responsibility, while those with high conscientiousness or egodystonic disorders are more likely etc. Further, at what point is an individual no longer able to be held responsible for their actions (e.g. meeting the definition of legal insanity)? What impact does taking responsibility (or not taking responsibility!) have on treatment / rehabilitation / legal system outcomes?

Yaaaaasssss! I've been waiting for this, Dr. Grande. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Thank you again for a great video, Dr. Grande!! As always, it was very well done and your analysis provided many insights!!

Can you do an analysis on Dwight Schrute from the office?

Thanks for this interesting analysis. I absolutely love that series. I enjoy the toxic relationship/trauma bonding aspect of the series very much. I relate to that kind of extreme fixation in a romance. Ofcourse its very romanticised and unrealistic but the core essence of losing yourself in someone and the willingness to do whatever it takes, I think a lot of personality disordered people having experiences like that.

Been waiting a long time for this one boys LETTTTSSSS GOOOO DR GRANDE

Been waiting for this! Thanks Dr. Grande!

Hey Dr. Grande! I love your channel - I've been binging your videos ever since I discovered it during the quarantine. I was wondering - could you look into the case of Jennifer Pan who committed parricide? I think that one is pretty dark and interesting psychologically speaking.

Great video again Dr. Grande. I’ve always found it concerning that a lot of people romanticise this character on social media when he’s clearly a terrible person!

There is something very helpful IMHO in analyzing a fictional character, then comparing that to reality. Ty Dr G. This was great ❤

OMG i have been waiting for this one🤗🤗

You voice is so soothing considering what you are talking about! Could you look into the original Catfish documentary before it became a tv show . It’s about Nev Schulman’s experience with a catfish. What makes a person fall in love online and what makes a person catfish another?

“Guinevere finds a box of items from Joes [murder] victims” and then Dr. Grande says, “AND THAT REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON THEIR RELATIONSHIP” I was rolling omg. Yeah, just a damper on the relationship, normal stuff 😂😂

DUDE I can’t believe you did this. Your incredible such a smart and interesting idea. Thanks doc this is some of the best entertainment on here, such a smart concise gentleman

I'm starting "You" so I'll keep this video till I've seen the series. Thanks for the heads up on the spoiler alert. I enjoy your videos so much - when I don't fall asleep halfway though. You have the most soothing, calm voice.

I have never clicked on a notification so fast!!! Yas! This is one of my absolute favorite shows! Thank you Dr. Grande!💗😁🙌🏻 also...is it just me or is anyone else extremely attracted to Joe? Even though I know I shouldn’t be...lol

You should do a updated version of this with joes character development in season 3

Dr Grande's critique of violent characters on tv could become an entire college semester if there was more time to elaborate. omg at 16 minutes Dr Grande is killing it

I clicked as soon as I saw this title because I love the show and was excited to see your analysis of the character. I agree that season one was significantly better than season two, but I did enjoy both. It makes sense that they made Joe’s character more likable than a real serial killer, or no one would root for him or care what happens to him. Great analysis, as usual.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on Tony Soprano

Dr Grande, i was wondering which movie/series comes closest to portraying a serial killer ?

This is one of the best tv-series I’ve watched, it’s gr8, awesome video Todd Grande👑💯👌🏽

First video of yours I saw, I wanted to see if anyone analyzed/critiqued Joe Goldberg. I really enjoyed the series and also your analyses.

I would absolutely love to see an analysis of Mads Mikkelson's Hannibal from the TV show Hannibal! I think it might alight a bit more closely with a "realistic" serial killer personality (even if the overall storyline isn't).

We're gonna need an update on this after season 3 lol. I think it gives the most background into his childhood out of the 3.

I didn't know I needed this but I did! Thanks you so much Todd! I love the show lol

Oh my gosh this is such a good choice for an analysis!

PLEASE DO BOJACK HORSEMAN. THE SHOW HAS A LOT OF MATERIAL TO ANALYSE.

Please do a video on Severus Snape, book and movie version.

I love your content Dr Grande

Thank you for this video! I knew you would give the most intelligent and thoughtful analysis of this character.

This one is a big stretch, but is there any chance you could analize Dutch van der Linde from the videogames Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2?

I think Season 3 really gives you so much more insight into Joe’s personality. He might technically be a serial killer but the most important part of his personality is his obsessive stalker tendencies.

I really enjoyed this analysis, thanks Todd!

A couple of months ago I asked u to do this format of video analyzing the tv show characters and to analyze Joe,idk I guess I wasn't the only one asking for it but still I'm glad that so many ppl liked it 🥺 I was so eager to know ur opinion abt him,please continue