You're welcome!

Thanks so much. I agree with the previous chat response of higher education and knowledge. Ive asked qualified persons in the field but do not get all the details you mention. Im left thinking do I have to go to college spend thousands on a few questions just to keep myself safe from abuse.

It is a good introduction for sure.

@Donald J put me down for three Narcissist Detectors, deluxe model. Can I also purchase replacement Ambrosia Glass separately?

@Donald J Who hurt you?

I totally saw myself in narcisstic fantasy:)

Yeah, that was definitely a fascinating example of the different fantasies and motivations between the two! Dr. Grande, in your experience, would you say that a psychopath's fantasy of the same scenario might include fooling the passengers into believing he/she will rescue them, then crashing the plane with everyone (himself/herself included) in the plane? Or would that be closer to a "sociopath" (due to the unnecessary risk factor and "high" from danger)? I am curious because I know there is often an overlap between psychopath and sociopath, and the two terms are typically somewhat interchangeable in pop culture. But I believe based on some of your previous videos and my own research, a "psychopath" has a slightly more cold, logical, emotionless affect and motivation, whereas a "sociopath" is more prone to unnecessary risk-taking, danger, etc. Is that accurate? Also PS - I am writing a character in a screenplay who fits your definition of Narcissistic Personality to a TEE. I didn't know as much about this personality clinically when I wrote the character, but this was very helpful for me in "diagnosing" him. Thanks for the great videos!

That Airplane example was truly insightful.

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@@deniseelsworth7816 lol

How are you getting along with your dream, Princy? I hope and wish you a wonderful journey in to mental health, I am starting my masters in psychology this september 2022, and we need more professionals and people like you to join the team. Blessings from Ireland.

i need to re process mine life... see you in another form...

@@deniseelsworth7816 And he's probably not come across a psychopath in real life or seen a psychopath's rage.

Thanks so much!

Wow. Thank you!

Thank you are you studying psychology.

Thank you Ronnie.

Thxs for sharing & caring for others! God Bless & Stay Healthy🤒😷💜

Yes!

EXACTLY! 🌷

Agreed, I'm wrapped in it

Why? He would prolly make less money

Why teach at university rather than KZfaq other than for ego? He is far better here, with a wider/larger audience and room for growth.

Huge red flag!

I didn't know. Now its way too late. He asked to move into my house within 6 months of us meeting because he told me he was sure that he loved me, even though I felt it was rushed. The result is Stefan Burgess destroyed me from inside out and outside in, neglecting our children in the process, but pretending to the world that he was perfect father and husband.

Miss List I’m unfortunately met my Romantic Narcissist a year ago I never understood wtf was going on? I researched his odd behaviour and sussed he’s a Narcissist a true life genius Narc.... 🥺 I’m absolutely gutted to say the least. 💔

Myra House It’s fortunate it only took a year to identify his behavior. They really know how to break you down. Hopefully it’s small steps upwards from here on.

Almost all relationships start with love bombing. You usually will not move anywhere without that. And it is also totally natural because your excitement just diminishes over time. which can happen even in few days

I always wonder if this has to do with amygdala dysregulation/deficiencies in psychopathic brains.

Agreed psychopaths have no fear and disregard any fear they put others in. They seem to relish in it

Good observation. Narcissists seem to have anxiety for themselves but not for others

Newer studies point out that psychopaths can be highly emotional: Source: "Are Some Psychopaths Deeply Emotional?", Psychcentral, Study by the University of Vermont

@@markuswunsch Yes, rage is an emotion.

Bingo. I would also like to add that narcissists can be manipulated by psychopaths as well, heck narcissists can be manipulated by regular people if you know which buttons to push. Narcissists are known to not always be the brightest bulb in the tool shed, 90-. while psychopaths I.q are always always always above average, 110+

@Iris-Angela Jones why stay?

I'm glad. I hope you can leave safely and have a wonderful life.

@@specialtwice4975 no, a psychopath IQ isn’t necessarily above-average. This is a myth that has been talked in this channel before.

@@stefanostokatlidis4861 Yea you even get low IQ psychopaths. Those tend to be the highly violent ones that prisons are full of.

Fair play to you, that takes great insight 👏 you deserve to live your best life making sure your compassionate to others aswell

@@trudytru8224 Don't presume to advise the OP, he's doing something you can't imagine

What is dbt?

DBT is dialectical behavioral therapy. It's very helpful for a wide range of issues. Jennifer D- thought I'd throughout the discernment seed with your new discovery. Always be aware of projection around you. It's not uncommon for people with high empathetic, more so codependent, tendencies are susceptible to believing they are "the problem". Codependents/empaths and narcissists are like magnets to each other. Your comment seemed to echo empathy. So just throwing it out there. Either way DBT is so great for all these intra-interpersonal complexities. It helped me a lot.

Thats awesome you realized you had a problem and got help. I think one of the biggest issues with narcissists is the fact they think they're perfect and don't listen to others when they point out their behavioral problems. KUDOS to you! That is awesome for real

You are most welcome :)

Thank you for that reply that's so true.

Many! I was one of them...but I am a survivor now...they are demons...

@@dominic4661 how are you doing so far? Genuinely curious, i think i may be a narcissist.

@@dominic4661 yeah but how r u doing. U didnt answer. Arr u on somekind of medication or treatment plan

What narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths have in common, is they aren't capable of empathy, remorse and for them other people are just like figures on a chessboard.

@@Shadow25720 Wrong. Sociopaths and Narcissists are capable of remorse 💯 but this doesn’t mean that ALL of them are. Psychopaths have no remorse and empathy. Sociopaths could still feel remorseful and have the diagnosis. Narcissists are remorseful in a way that makes them feel shame. From shame, they sometimes pin that negative emotion on others because of how shameful they are. Sociopaths could also empathize, but it’s VERY weak.

That’s a great way of explaining the differences between the two

Psychopath continues: " In fact, their worship is a weakness that I can exploit--punishing them for it will be fun". That one ended up jailed--twice.

well observed

Yep, you are spot on!!!

I'm disabled and yep yep yep...invent problems project crimes the whole 9 yards

Yes, had a colleague exactly like this. Constantly created or exaccerbated mild situations to make others look bad, throw them under the bus, in order to pull herself above others and look like she was this amazing person. She even vad disciplinary actions against for maligning others including our bosses. She'd be okay, but only for a while because it was consequence that deyerred her. She would always go right back to it though. Not a team player! NO colleagues wanted to work with her. Can't tolerate the woman... no one can. At office get togethers no one wanted her there and so it was kept on the QT. At previous office get togethers she was "invited/allowed" to attend she tell other departments it was a drinking fest and say untrue things about us... ironically, most of us don't drink at all. No interaction with her on any level was best for all of us. Dealing with narcissists in the workplace, can be more challenging than working with narcissistic family members.

Fantasy and idolizing people who are on TV or have the perfect life The Who is who / narcissistic /envy , one up on you, critical , competitive about everything, tit for tat /narc / does the math on how much they spend so as not to spend anything and find ways to look like they give, but they get for free and give to others, call you out for using a small portion of something you bought them even though a household item. Etc /narc

True!!😆😂

Thx for including the fact that some people are jealous af but think it's not obvious. I refuse to be a victim of my narc mother tho. It's very tough however it's got to end

@@mekerr4299 fact that my mom stole something out of my purse then explained that she thought that the lipstick didn't look as good on as she claimed. It's the little things that are eroding the relationship between us. My whole life has been a pack of lies. Long story tho

I just started to think about how the hell he is going to do that and who will be so stupid to give him their money or other stuff. In fact, getting the right to land the plane would be quite a big deal of its own because there will be lots of people willing to do it. and he will definitely won't get paid and not get any rewards besides maybe some chicks willing tom sleep with him is he is super lucky

Me too! 😂😂😂

Good observation and description. Very important distinction.

People who I met who had those symptoms and who were exactly as you and Dr.Grande are talking about are mostly exactly this sociopaths tend to be more way successful because of this cunning part.

I think that depends on the intelligence level of the person. Some narcs are quite cunning/ vindictive.

As a psychopath myself, I agree. We also aren't as whiney or worried as those other lames.

But Trump is both in an extreme form.

Psychopathy isn’t a diagnosis

​@@MissCrackerIt is a diagnosis as Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASP)

Thank you for those kind words :)

Narc survival group just sounds narcissistic

Linda Kay- He brought to mind that Richard Ramirez was the most obvious psychopath who murdered in current times. I don’t understand why he dressed weird during his first murder but the decisions were unemotional.

@@spaceflip-zj2bm 😆😃😂😜

@MrM QuickScope 🥂

EK ong kar Kaur My bad.

If that were the case, Trump would be that too.

@@VickiBee wow, you Liberals always manage to turn everything into a political attack. How about you get your facts from real sources and stop regurgitating what you hear from Killary supporters. You are a narcissist. No, really. The fist identifying sign is a complete inability to consider the people and circumstance prior to asserting your opinion.

TheOneanjel Well said.. Liberals ALWAYS DRAG POLICTICS IN TO EVERYTHING!.. CAN'T B PLEASENT" THEY ARE HATERS. REV 20V10

@@TheOneanjel LOL

I think psychopaths are born with a damaged cortex in the brain (the place where morality empathy attachment is generated in the brain. You can see this in scans of psychos. In my opinion though from the psychos I have met in my life at least 10 of them I think I met, in my opinion there was a spiritual problem with them. In my opinion they were demonically possessed. One person that I dated for 4 years and he was a psychopath which I found out later he was like the tinder swindler (throwing himself on women online to acquire money or advance his life) . All this activity I found out during and after the end of the relationship when I started studying him watching what he does in his house in his next supposedly relationship that he continued cheating and also his lack of friends and the continuous change of countries in order to avoid jail. I personnaly reported him to Interpol and to the American embassy. And i think I was the only one of his victims to have figured out what he does and to have reported him. All the women i tried to reach about him they were deep in their sleep. But one time while with him i remember taking him to a monastery where is the grave of saint nektarios I made him kneel on the grave. Next thing I know he nearly died. He nearly fall of a cliff after an hour. I saw him falling. And he said that he has fallen but he felt two hands holding his head up. And that that s how he came up to the road. So I tell you go perform an exorcism on you in an orthodox christian church . I personnaly think that the problem in my ex psycho was really spiritual as his entire family although dutch by blood were demonized I think mainly to their involvement in Hinduism as Hinduism is the adoration of certain deities-demons. Or like i said before since psychopathy run into his family as his dad and grandma were like him and worse them psychopathy is genetic you wer3 born this way

Thank you for sharing. I hope you find pleasure and happiness without harming others.

If you don't mind how old was your mother when she had you in her womb and also your father on earth do you know if either you or your father on earth if your mother's were older than age 40 plus or close to that number ?

Wow what an amazing comment. It sounds like your overall guardian is your intellect that compensates for your missing empathy. I'm glad though that you can bond to animals. I hope that helps you experience something of love.

Are you sure that diagnosis was legitimate, I'm similar when it comes to emotional connection, although not an official diagnosis due to my age at the time, it was suggested I might have psychopathy, but I believe I'm just on the low end of the autism spectrum, as I've aged I feel more connected to people and animals, I just have to put effort into actually feeling for others by playing out the situation in my head with myself in the subject's position.

Question is if they should even be considered disorders when they're just mean and entitled personalities.

Sam vaknin

@@paddleed6176 they should because there dangerous it's like a software error or better like Skynet there terminators there the type to join the military to shoot children

@@paddleed6176 seems like you'd have to have some disorder to be so entitled and crooked...I understand a little selfishness but these people are on another level entirely...

@@loribernardisunwell9663 The human spectrum of character and morality is very wide. Both in positive and negative directions. We'd never say that someone who's extremely nice (far beyond the normal) is "disordered", even if they're just as odd compared to the mean as the monster on the other side.

Appreciate it

I like you

Lmaooo

I'm far too good of a person to be narcissistic.

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Haha😂

All DSM'$, are money making utterly Fake, Voted in and out tripe Diagnoses, get a brain. Really Investigate how this stuff goes "in and out of fashion." There are a number of Psychiatric Specialists who aren't "bought," and have vehemently resisted the DSM'$ "PishTosh, pill-pushing, psychologizing, and Profiteering in alleged, "ubiquitous, 'Mental' health issues," Every normal response, now merits, drugs and treatments. LAUGHABLE. And yet a "convenient tool, to silence, dissidentsKGB/ Stasi/Communist Chinese just call it Re-education, our U.S.A., uses "thought reform as a silencer. Lisa (Smith) Lisa Rae Rousseau ✝️🙋 Truth

All DSM'$, are money making utterly Fake, Voted in and out tripe Diagnoses, get a brain. Really Investigate how this stuff goes "in and out of fashion." There are a number of Psychiatric Specialists who aren't "bought," and have vehemently resisted the DSM'$ "PishTosh, pill-pushing, psychologizing, and Profiteering in alleged, "ubiquitous, 'Mental' health issues," Every normal response, now merits, drugs and treatments. LAUGHABLE. And yet a "convenient tool, to silence, dissidentsKGB/ Stasi/Communist Chinese just call it Re-education, our U.S.A., uses "thought reform as a silencer. Lisa (Smith) Lisa Rae Rousseau ✝️🙋 Truth

@@lisalida6233 I dont get half of it. But you are right. DSM is not based on science. Because the science we have today corncerning our own minds has very little to do with science. It is just opinions, filosof and money that runs the show. The closesed we come to science regarding psychology and psychiatry is still Jung and Freud. Jung because he based his theory facts in human history Like all the myths and fairytales we have created. And our dreams.

Not always wannabes.

More like the other way around

They both gaslight and prefer a one way conversation from them outward.

That would make a wonderful essay. Have fun. Always

@@arnonuhm4022 lol he meant swap the hero/villain parts for psyc/narc

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hahaha

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You British are hilarious.

A true narcissist would deny that they are

ted bundy was a narcissist, probably psychopath too.

@@phillytheflyerable Ted Bundy was a psychopath and probably a narcissist. He was a "Psycho"!

@@anitajones7229 malignant narcissism

@@anitajones7229 “psycho” means someone who has psychosis. That is not the same as psychopathy. Psychosis means “crazy”

Or both ...... YAY!! Thanks for understanding. .......?????? MUCH LOVE

Can I ask you a question? Because these people tend to be very manipulative, what if you see they have a sense of self protection or social integrity towards other people, but not to the person they are abusing? Like they project a false idealized self to strangers but towards people that their "mask" comes off to they come across as extremely robotic and anti-social/completely apathetic? Would they be more narcissistic or psychopathic?

I'm not a professional but what you described sounds more narcissistic to me. I'd say with either the psychopath or the narc, the sense of self protection or integrity towards other people would just be an act. In my experience, the mask rarely slips with the psychopath. They hide their true despicable selves as much as possible. In the case of the psychopath, it's not a slip of the mask in a direct sense but it's demonstrated in the total lack of accountability for their behavior and degree of callousness when confronted. Like the predators they are, they isolate and annihilate their prey. It's not until they think they've rendered their victim incapable of retaliation that they'll let the mask slip, which of course makes it an all the more traumatic experience. One thing I noticed with both the psychopaths I've dealt with is they are absolute cowards. They will NEVER let you know if they are truly angry with you. They will never confront you head on with any issues they have. They have zero integrity. Instead, they'll attempt to destroy you behind your way back in every way imaginable. This makes them much harder to identify than narcs, who are much more emotional imo. I find narcs pretty easy to spot. My father is chronicled in books on psychopaths and when my friend met him knowing his background, he commented that he seemed as sweet and nice of a guy as Santa Claus; and, that this makes him the most dangerous person he's ever met. My advice when trying to spot them...look for shallowness of emotion. Watch how they react (they don't) to powerful movies or at events like funerals. They go to great lengths to hide it well, so it can be subtle but it's there. They have no depth of emotion. Whatever emotions you do see from them are mostly mimicked, which means if you're paying close attention you'll see something's off ;-)

So well spotted, exactly so. I was so shocked facing a person with so dispicable thoughts, however, he thought he was being honest with me of his feelings and thoughts while I didn't appreciate his honesty; or rather he lied to cover his misbehaviors up in such ways that no normal human beings would possibly think of, and claimed when confronted with evidence, that he lied to protect my feelings, which showed how much he cared about me. Their logic is beyond normal people's imagination. When morality and humanity are excepted from their way of thinking, they do open an extra dimension that normal human being's thoughts cannot reach.

@@jaygrambling79 They hate it when someone else tells a great joke and makes everyone laugh. They will not laugh because they wished they had told that joke and gotten all the attention.

psychopath is void of emotion, creepy, non=empathetic, entitled, robot.

Funny how 80% people has a psycho ex. Or maybe it's just an extreme way of seeing the ex as an asshole/bad

There are Covert Somatic Narcissist Sociopaths. They can be BOTH it has recently been assessed. Look up Professor Sam Vaknin, he is an expert on Narcissism. However, I more prefer Dr. Grande’s style better and find him objective.

Felicitas Cruz,your pretty smile can make the news!

I feel you hun! I'm pretty sure my cat is a narcissistic psycopath!! 🙍‍♀️😼..Be safe! Lol 💖xo

@@Queenbeemusic1 lol..

@@gianna5869 😂

I think everyone fits into these diagnoses

@@matthewcallaghan1512 I think its more like we all can have" tendencies" towards behaviors like these. However, its not our every day nature that to me is the difference that separates people from those who are dominated by these psychological issues. They live with the disorder every day. .

In my opinion when they see determination and that they cannot but that they will face great losses they run litterally run. The psycho I dated and his dad who was putting him to do those things to me changed countries when I took them to courts and the police. They changed countries in order to avoid jail.

My mother is a picture perfect narc and it is insane the effects it's had on me as a son, and into my mid 20s. I'm 26. Not trying to gloat, but I'm decently intelligent and have some charismatic tendencies, so I've been told. When I'm comfortable, ppl gravitate towards me. I had tons of potential, still do but squandered most. But reason I'm saying this is, without trying to sound like I'm making excuses and whatnot, but being raised by this egg donor has objectively caused me so much mental shit it's screwed my teens and 20s thus far. Because I developed anxiety to where it seems nearly impossible to answer a phone call from a manager at pizza hut to get a job. I went to college (for what my mother forced to go for), had jobs paying my own bills, bought my own vehicles, was in numerous bands as a drummer trying to be myself, but I was put down so much and couldn't enjoy anything because the narc parent would not leave me alone, endless misery every day no matter how responsible I was doing, even while trying to satisfy her weird requirements of her son. But it was never enough and everything was hell all the time and she even slapped me in the face after I made a quite solid attempt on my own life. You will never feel like you matter to these ppl yet you'll try so hard to please them if you're a regular decent person, because of how ridiculously manipulative they are. I apologize for the long comment but this stuff hits home and maybe hearing from a victim of a narc mother could be neat. Wish I could elaborate

Grant Beeson it would be intresting to chit chat with you. You hit every nail on the head( same here) except my narc mother and father were very religious....working a lot of that out to determine what I believe. I went through a peroid of being a liar when I was young just by observing my environment. As a side effect I ve become so truthful that I have to work hard to put love into it. I ve gotten really good at that now with Gods help. I ve become extreamly analytical and fact based due to gaslighting but worked with God to understand the importance of healthy religious views as narcs twist the bible to minipulate. Shame is something I really struggle with as they used this as a tool to again minipulate. Sooo much more to heal from but I am taking them one at a time..... Lots of damage done. My biggest issue is to let people in. I can be precieved as extreamly open but I listen very carefully before I give my heart away. Id like to be more vulenerable without the fear of being hurt. And....I am a reactor. I need to not react so much to crazy and try so hard to defend myself.

@@shayrenae4139 wow the effects on you seem to be so different from mine. It's really interesting. But I bet at the root, we have more in common than we know. I've noticed a tendency to unconsciously seek out mother figures, as my mother would buy me things as a substitute for affection. This means she can say things like "I've done everything for you, you're so ungrateful." While I've just always been someone who tries to recognize what I'm blessed with, and I'll tell her that. But she'll never understand how she emotionally deprived me. But worse than deprivation, she would tell me messed up things such as "You're my only chance at a good son." This messed me up because I have a brother one yr older than me who has cerebral palsy, and the screwed up implications of telling your young son this since birth are quite deep and complex. Unfortunately the gaslighting and manipulation had the effect of me finding difficulty in even trying to love my brother. As screwed as that sounds.. but it's bled into me finding it hard to care about family stuff at all since I've been taught that every family gathering is misery because she'll make me look terrible. I've lost the family I've created myself, 2 times. Lost my first wife, lost my fiance after. Oh how complex, the effects of a narc parent.

@@shayrenae4139 also, so that I can see your replies, hit the 3 dot icon by my message and hit reply to tag me. I saw this by chance. Idk if you know that already haha I'm just saying

My mom is narcissistic and denies/refuses to discuss any past abuse she did to my siblings and i In the month before i left the house for good (which she is still mad at me for leaving her side to this day) she said "if you dont do as i say and keep me happy then i wont help you with financial aid like i did for your sister and you wont be able to go to college" So i told myself well if she wont be letting me go to college anyway things cant get any worse if i leave and end up not being able to complete the financial aid forms long story short i got on my owntwo feet and the university staff had to help me fill out a dependency override..

(( HUG )) Something similar for me. Thoroughly unsettling to realize that I have been considered prey, and even more unsettling that it was all done from a distance. Sometimes all it takes is to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and have a bad hair day. But there can be more to it than just being seen as "prey". Some people with NPD seem to be looking for someone to parent them, help stabilize them?

@@angelinasouren "wrong place ... bad hair day" :) thank you for the hug!

Digonioise is just the best thing I’ve seen on KZfaq in a while. Thank you.

@Fluff Your Garfield I suppose you do not know how many abusers are pretending to be victims. Especially women.

@Goodnuff Fornow What I mean is that if you get into legal troubles like divorce or domestic abuse situation you will rarely find a psychologist who can identify the real victim and real abuser. Narcissism does not matter here. In other situations you do not need any diagnosis, you may need counseling. diagnosis is for sick people only

One of his videos made me stop hating them. I just think to my self. This narcissistic fuel station is permanently closed.

Only discovered you today! I suppose the hurting of animals and bullying children would fall under the 'forceful dominance' right? Resulting in Aggression.... And in front of someone else to make a point would be also 'forceful dominance' but more intimidation? Fascinating clips...

My ex did that too a lot. Just sit there and wait for somebody else to take action or react in some way. They just sit there, staring, watching, waiting... For what? Idek. 🤷‍♀️ I found narcs do not do this, but sociopaths/psychopaths do.

There is a KZfaqr who was/is a flight attendant. She did a short story based on a true event that happened on her flight. The flight was getting ready to almost take off when a man comes rushing to the flight attendant. "Stop!" he shouts. "My wife isn't on board!" "Sir," the KZfaq lady said. "Did she come on with you? Has she checked in? We can see if her ticket has went through." So they checked and it said the wife was on board. "Can Mrs. Smith come to the front please? Mrs. Smith please come to the front." the flight lady said over the intercom. "Don't worry sir. We have procedures and we will find your wife." 2 hrs later, at the last veryyyy back seat of the plane. "Ma'am, we have been looking ALL over for you! Why did you not come up to the front? And why are you not at your proper seat?" The wife's reply? "I was busy! Not my fault my husband is an idiot."

Thanks for sharing.....all psychopaths are narcissist but not all narcissists are psychopaths.... learned that from Dr. Robert Hare ..yeah ...he just truly didn't care....not getting paid....glad he is an ex.... Iam sure you could share plenty about him...

@@specialtwice4975 thanks for sharing.....so typical of a psychopath!!

Leave him now

TBD-yes!

Why did you even click on the video then?

My goodness, so true!

YES!

I think you’re missing the commenter’s point.

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Jenelley Harris,You are beautiful 🌹🌹🌷,hope you are not with a narc 😈!