I think it's extremely underrated how much environment makes a difference too. Being around active people or in cultures where they live more healthy makes a massive difference.

I was overweight and out of shape and decided one day to make a change. I quit smoking and drinking and went on the keto diet for 30 days. I bought a skipping rope and committed to 10 mins everyday. I started adding in some bodyweight exercises. I'd workout on the playstructure at the school nearby. Then I bought some rings and hung them in the tree in my yard. I started to develop what I'd call a "movement vocabulary". Before all this I made previous attempts to get into running and struggled to work up to 3km. Within a few months I was running 10km no problem. For the first time in years, I actually had a flat stomach. People would say that I was on a health kick, and at first I would get mad. I knew something was different this time. After 6 months finally one of my friends acknowledged it was a lifestyle change. After a year I was in the best shape of my life and on my way to getting a six pack (so I hoped). I started working construction and still kept at it, but with less gusto. I moved to a different site with a longer commute, and harder work. I let my training slip, but I was still in pretty good shape. Still running and working hard. I actually couldn't believe the scale when it got down to 140lbs. Then I rolled my ankle at work due to uneven ground. I rolled both ankles and the left one twice. I was taping my ankle to run for a bit, but eventually I just tried to let it heal. I got so depressed not running. I decided to quit construction and maybe get a part-time job for a while so I'd have time to do more me stuff like train in different ways and creative projects. For a while I had been eating pretty much whatever I wanted. I just made sure to get in enough protein and veg. At some point I went off the rails and ate a pint of Haagen Daz everynight for 2 weeks straight and saw no noticeable change. The biggest change actually was that my cravings came back like bat out of hell. I was drinking and smoking again and though I tried to keep it to a minimum there is no question that it got in the way of training. The thing was that I kept running though. So, though I was starting to see a decline in my fitness I had started wearing mostly athleisure clothes, so it wasn't immediately obvious how much weight I was gaining. Then I got Achilles Tendonitis and it was all downhill from there. Joe is scared of excuses for a reason. It is a slippery slope. And the thing is that it doesn't necessarily smack you upside the head until it's a little too late. Not too late to do anything, but late enough that it sucks. It's sort like driving in the wrong direction for a while. Yes, you can always turn around. But man, does it ever just suck the fucking wind out of your sails when you realize you gotta go the same distance, plus whatever mileage you just dicked around being lost. Point is keep after it, don't make excuses, don't negotiate with yourself. If you get injured, train what you can. Train something complimentary that will give the injury a rest ie. If you're a runner and you fuck up your Achilles', start swimming or do more upper body. Don't give up. You can always lose it, but you can often get it back. Don't fear setbacks, adapt, get creative.

I think joes weed man was out of town this morning

Joe is very open minded about all other issues. However, when it comes to diet and fitness you can see that he’s very passionate and emotional about it. He’s a tough guy and hates excuses.

Joe: Keto is just to much meat Also Joe: I'm doing a carnivore diet and it's great

You don't have to be weak to fall off. An injury, an illness, a major life stress event, any of those things can knock a strong person off their game.

"Don't be a bitch" is exactly what this country needs to hear. Back in the day when I asked my grandpa how to stop myself from being broke, he said "make more money" LOL.

Hey Joe, idk if you have or thought about it. Have you thought about bringing athlene x on and shoot the breeze with him?

Intermittent fasting from 680 pounds down to 285, and still dropping. I hit the gym 7 days a week and 4 out of those days I go twice. I walk 3 times a week for a mile and a half with a 60 pound weighted ruck sack. Then I do HITT cardio for a mile and a half. I feel better than ever at 38.

Norton was making a good point that there are a number of dieting strategies that can reach the desired goal and it's up to the individual to find which they prefer in the long-term. But Rogan seemed hung up on the strategy that works for him which was more of the hulk through it with discipline and willpower.

Joe kept interrupting that guy and when they do that to him he flips out 😂

Joe rogan is one dimensional when it comes to diet.

From 270 pounds to 150, been maintaining that for over a year. Took me 3 years to lose it. Sustainability, dedication and having a “why” is what works.

I agree with the “take a cheat day” thing. Honestly, after that cheat day most self-respecting people would again realize their initial intention because of how bad they feel after that self-allowance then they can tackle it again with some renewed vigor

Sounds like Joe believes in drug addiction, but not food addiction or food triggers.

Almost 40 years old and I KNOW my biggest issue, in my whole life, has been a lack of discipline. I'm eating Keto, but I lack the discipline to not OVER EAT the keto food. I'm tryin...

As a person who is laying in a hospital bed from an unexpected surgery.. I just know how much we have to appreciate our health ... And not beat ourselves up... and appreciate others.

Love that line from "Central Intelligence" from Johnson, "I just worked out 6 hours a day for 20 years. I mean, anyone can do it"

Joe Rogan always cuts people off but dislikes when they do it to him

Diet is the hardest part for me. I have been consistent with my fitness for decades but I eat bad. You cant out-train a bad diet.

Calorie deficit. Eat in moderation. Change things slowly. I think people have a hard time adhering because they eat whatever they want, and then wake up and decide "hey. I'm changing everything" If you get a high calorie coffee every morning. Start with simply switching to tea, or black coffee. After a few weeks if you drink 2 cans of soda a day, switch to one. Change things slowly, and eventually you'' have the result you want without a huge shock to your body.

Anytime anyone contradicts keto or working out Joey goes off son !!! I think we forget that people are addicted to carbs and sugar it’s not easy to come off an addiction .

I agree with Joe in part, he needs some flexibility in his argument though, because not everybody has the same mindset. Food is very addictive, there is a science that goes in behind a companies' products. Financial resources are an issue, it's not a coincidence that poorer people are less healthier. Behavioural eating doesnt help; food does comfort depression, anxiety and other mental-health problems in the short-term, but it's not a helpful long-term solution. Research also suggests that sustaining a specific diet or lifestyle is boring to most people. There's not enough stimuli, because it's repetitive, especially to intelligent or easily-bored people. Scientifically, it is what the guy alluded too, about hormonal balances. Don't get me wrong, lazy and undisciplined people do exist and do make up a large number of people who are unhealthy, but it's not as simple as saying that people are ill-disciplined.

I have been on the KETO PLAN since August 11 2019 and have lost 70+lbs. I once weighed 258lbs now i weigh roughly 168lbs. I do 200 pushups daily and hit the Gym plus Boxing Open Gym

This guy covers the most interesting subjects, but when it comes to either eating/training or weed , he becomes obsessed with his own biased views.

Nobody: Joe: I like pasta

They're missing a big piece: People are generally no less disciplined today than they were 150 years ago, when NO ONE was obese. The culture, availability, low cost & ease of access to processed food in developed countries overwhelms the ability of a HUGE number of people to avoid it. Finger pointing only at the people for being "weak" is missing the forest for the trees. Many of these people are highly disciplined and successful in other aspects of life. And yet they STILL stand little chance to avoid processed food, and the person of low socioeconomic status stands zero chance.

Joe inspired me to lose weight back almost 2 years ago. Lost 45 pounds and have been maintaining it. My health problems are literally all gone. I feel great

Does Joe know what sustainability means or does he just to go on a rant about discipline?

If you understand what goes in to getting a PhD, you talk less and listen more. Dr. Norton is going to know what he is talking about because he has dedicated serious time studying it. Joe's experience in this area is likely anecdotal, which isn't bad if you understand that is what you're consuming.

I watched half of this video and realized Joe Rogan was talking about me being a bitch. So I paused it and went out and ran 6 miles. Now I'm back watching the other half.

Joe hit the nail on the head, I started to diet on Jan 1st and changed my whole outlook on food and exercise. I was 20 stone 3lbs and 7 months later I am 16 stone 10lbs, I still have 3 stone to go. I fast 22 hours Monday to Friday eating before 6pm and have a meal of 1200 calories max. Saturday I Hest healthy in the day and have a treat meal in the evening, like a Chinese or kebab. Sunday I eat when I'm hungry but not not unhealthy food. Then Monday start again. Fasting Monday to Friday was hard for a month now I don't think of food until 4pm now and it's becoming my new found relationships with food. Once I had lost 2 stone I started exercising 3 times a week and now my garage is a gym. You can do it, its just that first step, I was overweight for 8 years and even the 3 and half stone makes a huge difference to your standard of living. Trust me it's easy when your willing to make a change for yourself and knowbody else.

I lost 80 pounds doing keto and what kept me going was a genuine will from within to lose weight. I also bought a scale to track my progress and I still weigh myself every day.

Going off your diet for a whole week for anybody would be weeks of damage.

I’ve been searching far and wide for Joe talking about this specific topic

If you can't help yourself you don't have any help. Anything is possible if one believes it is. 222 down from 242 by exercise and eating healthy and lots of walking and water.

Destroy weakness before it destroys you

Joe “my theory” Rogan

I like the joe that explores new ideas, not digs into a certain idea and shuts others down.

I lost 25-30 lbs (from 205lbs to 175lbs) over a year and have never even really thought about it as "a diet". I changed my nutrition (from fast food to healthy food) and began working out 4 times a week as well as jogging... I never even once have felt the urge to give up apart from the obvious cheat day every couple weeks. I never even considered that behaviour to be an "outlier". Once you lose the weight, you feel guilty cheating. You don't want to throw away your hard work. If you lose 5-10 lbs, I guess you don't really have that "anchor of guilt"

Saying "I can't do it" and, "it's too hard" Is more dangerous than carbs.

Lost 10 pounds in the first 7 days of 18:6 intermittent fasting and keto, running daily and bodyweight exercise. That in itself is enough to keep me motivated.

I believe self-discipline is something you built up with practice, over time. I am not, by far, a disciplined person..but I got better over time, I am making better and better choices and sometimes I fall, but I try again. And it's not just a matter of self-discipline. It's also a matter of your thinking systems that allows you or don't allow you to do certain things. So, in order to change, you have to shift some paradigms first.

Joe describing that hypothetical cheat day ice cream sundae was beatiful

I start my keto journey tomorrow I needed to hear this, thank you

This conversation spiked my cortisol to the roof😂 Stop interrupting each other, but amazing information But I agree with Joe, it is a discipline issue, most of the life problems are because of discipline and instant gratification. Week people create hard times.

I needed this today thanks!

Overall life quality plays a major role. If you are social, good looking and whatever, it's a lot easier to avoid temptations. The average and below average people who got dealt a bad hand, hamburgers or food in general, sodas and other crap are often their only sources of delight in life, which makes maintaining discipline that much harder.

Wish they'd stop talking over eachother. Missing a lot of value.

dude on the right has spray paint video game pixel hair. Or i'm drunk/high

Carb cycling works great for me high carb on lifting days low on cardio days 16/8 eating window so easy to maintain

At the end of the day I just can't help thinking there over thinking this shit. People just fall into two categories, the people that just do it and the ones that don't. It's almost as though there's just to much information so really the more you know the less you know. People just have to think of health and fitness as a journey with know destination, it's forever. This culture is saturated in quick fixes and everyone has the answer how to get there. One size doesn't fit all and diets are all just a subterfuge to keep the fatties on an eternal hamster wheel. I say take the long view, workout everyday like you mean it and enjoy your life along the way! Return to basics, there's no substitute for hard work and discipline.

Right around 8:20 when he goes into the whole Will smith “Brick by brick” thing. That reminds me exactly of the book “bird by bird” by Anne Lamont - instructions for life and writing. A couple letters becomes a word. A couple words become a sentence. A couple sentences becomes a paragraph. So on so on. Quite a beautiful book.

Low carb is only diet I been on where I am not starving all the time. I lost 40lbs and kept it off for 2 years. It is a lifestyle not a diet.

“the diet after the diet” love that. super important for long term results

Almost everyone go off there diet at times including me i think the key to success is don't give up. Make it a life style and don't be so hard on yourself everyone makes mistakes be consistent find what works for you

I’m very much someone who’s had there fair share of weight yo-young. And I totally agree with Joe on this. It’s no ones fault but my own when I don’t sustain. It’s even more my fault, because I’ve proved I can do the diet, and I’ve proved I can show restraint. I then choose not to.

3 times in my life I have been at a healthy weight. I gained weight to an unhealthy level 4 times (including now very unhealthy). I need to make exercising and low carb diets into a lifestyle rather than a phase.

From observation and experience, it seems that a major challenge to discipline is discouragement that comes from underwhelming progress on any particular nutritional strategy. Most folks can likely be consistent if they're seeing measurable progress. Too often, that success is not the norm.

What brand of keto bread and other foods is mentioned at the beginning? Couldn't hear it very well.

I am not speaking weakness when I say sustainability is key. I used to think like Joe and obviously he got to where he is become of that mindset but there is no need to work against your willpower. You can put that energy to adhere to a diet elsewhere. There is no need to go mental to stay lean. Because if adherence wasn’t an issue then cheat meals shouldn’t be allowed either because that’s just a lack of discipline at a smaller scale. It is a lot different if cheat meals were allowed when cravings become extreme to stay sane or to exercise eating out whenever you want without letting that bother you, turn into a eating challenge or jeopardize your entire diet.

I find giving my self a cheat day on Saturday or Sunday and eating purely clean through out the week is the best for me. Just depends on you.

I also think it’s important to remember to listen to your body with diet. Looking at what actually gives your body energy and all of that kind of stuff. I think it’s more important to eat more simply and focus in on the ingredients. I think it’s okay to reward yourself every now and then but to overall try and eat more healthily for your own body

This happened to me, I lost 60 pounds from 225 to 165 and I started getting really f’ing hungry and I unfortunately rebounded back to 190 but it’s better than 225 still... in getting back into it before I gain more, I want to reset my set point to 165 and get lean to 145

I have been on a diet that focuses on calories. And it's not hard. There's no cheat days, just stay at 2,000 calories and minimize processed food. The diet being like that allows you to have a slice of pizza once in a while. Long as it stays in the calorie limit. And thus it's much easier to stay on the diet. And just from that diet I've lost 40lbs. And I'm still losing weight. In the next 3 or 4 months I'll be at my goal. No need to make being healthy a punishing miserable endeavor.

Bro im and up and down dieter. I always workout and strong asf but my body fat is always going up and down. Just realized at 30 that after u lose the weight u gotta have the same mentality in keeping it off. Im on the path to lose it again down 28 pounds currently 299 shooting for 250 baby! Holla if ya hear me!!!! 💪

I live a similar lifestyle as Joe in that I rain every single day 6 days a week. Joe’s mindset on this is no doubt successful for a lot of people. At the same time though, Joe is so close minded when it comes to these topics. There is more than one way to achieve success in diet sustainability and success in life in general.

It is all in the mind, techniques to influence adherence(mind tricks, hypnotherapy, etc)is a subconscious way of giving away your will. It only last for a little while, hence the reason why people cannot continue to stay committed even after "attaining" the goal.

It’s really simple. Track your calories, be in a deficit, make the calories you do eat count, eat healthy carbs and taper off throughout the day, Intermittent Fast if you can-makes all this easier.

Teddy Atlas really got to Joe

I really hate when any podcast has an expert on, and then don't let him talk

People saying he’s being biased I mean obviously... he’s put in the hard work and knows how tough that shit it. He doesn’t want people to think it’ll be easy without disciple cause there is so much that goes into dieting than just eating fewer calories...

OK references the set point when you lose weight and a timeframe, also keep in mind that the 1 to 2 year mark is tremendous because people have to go through holidays, birthdays, change of weather, all kinds of situations that can throw them off, but if they maintain throughout that they have allowed that eating style to become their new lifestyle. Set point theory also Has a lot to do with your emotional status and what you are emotionally and physically used to, not necessarily happy or comfortable with. Also the fact that every six months we have refreshed our cells....so if you’re holding your new weight, your new lifestyle and your new mindset past that mark at the very least you have reset a lot about your body and your metabolism.

I'd love to see Andy Frisella on your show

This video motivates me more than any other on KZfaq

Joe, you are so right. Every word you said is right on!

the more u know what your body needs and know when it needs it u can use it to your advantage. if I feel weak and lazy I'll eat more carbs and veggies, if I feel sore from a workout as an example I'll eat more protein. If I feel bloated I'll eat mostly veggies, water , fruit or fast. For me it's just knowing what your body needs and when it needs it 💪👍

People workout, eat well and begin to lose weight. Once that weight is lost, they go back to their old habits. There shouldn't be an end goal. It should be a lifestyle change.

Interview The Carb Addiction Doc, Rob Cywes! Really interesting approach to IF & Keto!

The end of this kind of gives me hope. I've lost weight many times and keep regaining it,(well meaning but flawed parents that created poor habits in childhood that I keep trying to correct in my 20ties) i think my problem is making it past the reset point. The lack of substantive information that is available is infuriating, everybody wants to sell you a diet plan but nobodies like here's how you actually reset your body.

LET DR NORTON SPEAK FFS

Joe, you need to call Cole robbinsson. Snake diet. He is one really entertaining guy :)

I didn't start losing weight until I stopped trying to make it easy. IDK what clicked after 20 years of self loathing but in a way Joe's method is what's getting it done for me. Keto and no more excuses

I did Keto a few times, and not once have I experienced relapse. On the contrary, sometimes the switch to carbohydrates seemed to have a boosting effect for my metabolism, so I lost two or three additional pounds after going back on carbs.

This is why people are now adopting a long term "low carb" diet, which is much like keto but more manageable.

Alot of people who have been on a ketogenic diet and want to come off for a vacation or temporarily regain alot of weight very quickly is because thier bodies have been so insulin sensitive for a long time, and now they're eating alot of carbs and the body just rushes to store all of it as fat. Thats why you have to do a slow process of introducing the carbs back into your diet, even if it is before a vacation begins.

Been hangin out with Goggins

great discussion

6:20 Joe gives that look like "damn I said something hella clever just now"

Sustainability comes from what you’re used to. Sustainability is different for everyone is different is BECAUSE of the why they think. The way you think is effected by diet, experiences, exercise, and basically EVERYTHING.

Where is the full episode? Not on podcast or here ????

I’m glad you talked about the diet after the diet, because that’s what scares me the most

I listen to Jeff Cavaliere and don’t fear carbs

joe should try going vegan for two months and on a budget. we'd see about his discipline then.

I want to listen to this whole podcast. Can somebody please let me know the name of the guest???

Great conversation!

As a diabetic if I quit I die- it’s kind of an ironic blessing

Great info. I feel awesome on Keto, I feel like crap with sugar, flour, and grains....I always say keto is great for me but hard for me to stick to....but like Joe says, I just need to quit being a little biatch! 😂💯

You just gotta take it easy on yourself and think about health.

it is a discipline issue - holidays you eat different but you just go right back to normal healthy eating lifestyle/diet pattern and everything is good again