Grahams argument is basically that you can’t rule it out, and the archeologist is saying we have no evidence. Just saved you 4 hours

Millions of people watching a 4 hour debate on archaeology like its the next Tyson fight is what JRE is all about.

The fact that so many people watch a 4 hour debate about archeology gives me hope for my species

Grahams: Flint, you dive? Flint: I snorkel.

My man Flint spent 4 and a half hours not moving his neck so he could wear the headphones like that. All so he could wear that Indiana Jones hat. That's commitment

Jamie, pull up Flint Dibble’s sleeves.

Flint Dibble is his dad’s biggest fan.

"Why the fuck would I want to go there when it was fucking FROZEN"

Hancock v Dibble: The battle for the HDMI

2 hours in and I'm now fairly convinced nerd battles should become a regular feature on JRE

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:56 *🎓 Flint discusses his goal to demystify the process and purpose of Archaeology.* 02:18 *🖼️ Joe Rogan describes an Athenian artifact, leading to a discussion on the misconceptions about historical artworks and their cultural implications.* 04:25 *🛰️ The conversation covers the use of advanced technology like lasers and aerial surveys in Archaeology to discover and analyze archaeological sites.* 14:20 *📚 Flint advocates for open data in Archaeology, mentioning the availability of millions of archaeological records to researchers and the public.* 18:17 *🛠️ Flint refutes the possibility of a metallurgical civilization in the Ice Age based on the absence of metallurgical emissions in ice core samples.* 19:28 *🚢 Flint questions the absence of shipwrecks from the purported global civilization, arguing that substantial archaeological exploration of submerged areas would have uncovered such evidence if it existed.* 20:49 *🚢 Joe Rogan discusses the exceptional preservation of the Ernest Shackleton shipwreck, emphasizing the potential for ancient artifacts to remain intact underwater in cold conditions.* 22:13 *🌀 Flint references research on hurricane effects on archaeological sites, suggesting that natural disasters do not necessarily disrupt underwater archaeological sites significantly.* 31:48 *🇨🇱 Graham discusses the Monte Verde site in Chile, which presented evidence of human settlement predating the Clovis culture, and the initial resistance it faced from the archaeological community.* 34:50 *📺 Graham addresses the controversy surrounding his Netflix series and the response from the Society for American Archaeology, illustrating the tension between mainstream archaeology and alternative historical narratives.* 37:54 *🏜️ Graham questions the extent of archaeological exploration in the Sahara, suggesting that significant discoveries could still be made in largely unexplored areas.* 43:56 *🗺️ Graham Hancock discusses exploring underwater structures globally, guided by local knowledge, illustrating the potential for undiscovered archaeological sites.* 45:45 *🌊 Hancock argues that the submerged rock structures he has explored were shaped by humans, not natural processes, based on over 200 dives at the site.* 44:49 *🏛️ Graham details diving in a man-made tunnel in Japan with visible megalithic structures, asserting its artificial origin.* 47:05 *🔍 After a dive, a geologist admits to Graham that certain underwater structures could not have been formed naturally.* 49:55 *🌍 Graham argues for the necessity of more archaeological investigations in unexplored areas like the Sahara, Amazon, and submerged continental shelves.* 51:34 *📏 Flint highlights the extensive coverage and data collected through required archaeological surveys in developed countries, though he acknowledges it's not perfect.* 54:06 *🤨 Robert Schoch’s changing opinion on Yonaguni is discussed, indicating the complexity and debate surrounding the site’s origins.* 01:05:55 *🌱 Flint Dibble highlights the development of agriculture in South America as a marker for tracing civilization progress.* 01:11:56 *🗺️ Flint counters the notion that archaeology has neglected potential submerged sites by presenting extensive evidence of underwater surveys.* 01:26:11 *📊 Flint discusses the shift in archaeology towards big data, highlighting its role in understanding historical lifestyles and individual survival stories.* 01:26:24 *🌊 Graham Hancock reiterates the underexplored nature of submerged continental shelves, suggesting that insufficient study makes it premature to dismiss the possibility of lost civilizations.* 01:27:35 *🌐 Graham uses inundation maps to point out the historical existence of large islands like the Grand Bahama Banks, which were above water until about 6,900 years ago, as potential sites of ancient human activity.* 01:36:24 *🛤️ Flint shares his experience with archaeological road excavations in Romania, using them as an example to discuss the preservation of artifacts and their context in understanding ancient roadways.* 02:00:18 *🤔 The conversation shifts to the ethics of archaeological interpretation and the portrayal of research in media, exploring how public and academic perceptions are shaped.* 02:04:13 *🧠 Flint clarifies his statements regarding the misinterpretation of his views on racial implications in archaeology, emphasizing the importance of context in academic discussions.* 02:09:47 *🗞️ Hancock criticizes the influence of certain academics on media, claiming they misrepresent his work, contributing to a negative and hostile reception in the public and academic realms.* 02:12:07 *🔍 Discussion shifts to academic freedom and the perceived hostility within archaeology towards alternative theories, with Hancock citing historical examples of academic resistance to new ideas.* 02:15:34 *🌐 Flint discusses the impact of public engagement on social media and the misunderstandings that can arise from public and academic interactions online.* 02:30:03 *🔄 Hancock suggests that significant cultural narratives can be transformed within a single generation through deliberate changes imposed by conquerors, creating entirely different historical narratives.* 02:33:58 *📅 Joe Rogan and Hancock discuss the historical impact of colonization on indigenous beliefs, suggesting that conquerors often try to reshape the cultural narratives of the people they dominate.* 02:40:36 *🏺 Hancock searches for specific examples of remote sensing data from the Gung Padang site to support his claims of advanced prehistoric civilization, demonstrating the challenges of presenting complex archaeological data in a public forum.* 02:52:01 *🏛️ Dibble argues that rapid, intense destruction, like that from natural disasters, can paradoxically preserve archaeological evidence rather than destroy it.* 03:02:28 *🌾 Discussion shifts to agriculture, with Dibble explaining the archaeological process for identifying domesticated plants and discussing the evolutionary pressures that lead to domestication.* 03:05:00 *🌱 Dibble elaborates on the gradual domestication process, highlighting how human cultivation practices inadvertently selected for plant traits beneficial for agriculture.* 03:13:03 *🌽 Presentation of an ancient maize cob from 1250 AD illustrates the significant changes in plant size due to human selection over centuries.* 03:15:09 *🚜 Introduction of a "Neolithic package" in Europe around 6400 BC, including multiple domesticated plants and animals, marks a significant technological transfer.* 03:37:57 *🧪 Geochemical analysis links pyramid construction materials to specific quarry sites, reinforcing the dating and sourcing of the materials.* 03:38:54 *🌊 Debates the interpretation of erosion patterns on the Sphinx, discussing whether they could be definitively linked to water erosion from a specific prehistoric period.* 03:40:04 *🌐 Advocacy for considering geological and traditional evidence in evaluating the history and age of the Sphinx and surrounding structures.* 03:53:43 *🌌 The depiction of the "churning of the Milky Ocean" at Angkor Wat, Cambodia, symbolizes the astronomical process of precession, linking mythology with celestial movements.* 03:54:26 *🌅 Angkor Wat's alignment during the Spring Equinox, where the sun rises directly over the central tower, exemplifies precise ancient engineering intended to mark astronomical events.* 03:56:06 *🌍 The base perimeter and height of the Great Pyramid, when multiplied by a precessional number, correspond closely to the Earth's equatorial circumference and polar radius, respectively.* 03:57:12 *🌞 The Sphinx's alignment with the rising sun during the Spring Equinox further supports the theory of its astronomical significance.* 03:58:05 *🦁 The alignment of the Sphinx with the constellation Leo approximately 12,600 years ago during the "Age of Leo" suggests an epoch-specific construction or significance.* 04:00:25 *🌟 The shafts within the Great Pyramid align with the stars of Orion's belt as they appeared in the sky around 2500 BC, demonstrating an intentional celestial alignment.* 04:14:35 *🏺 The discussion emphasizes the danger of becoming a 'lost civilization' due to ignoring cultural and historical preservation.* 04:15:03 *🛡️ Addressing threats like looting and the importance of funding for site protection is highlighted as critical for preserving archaeological sites.* 04:16:38 *🌾 Discusses the slow adaptation to climate change in ancient civilizations as a warning to modern societies to better prepare for environmental changes.* 04:20:05 *🕊️ Proposes that embracing a diversity of methodologies could enrich understanding of history, suggesting that mainstream and alternative researchers share common goals.* 04:21:40 *🗣 Highlights the importance of direct communication in resolving disputes and misunderstandings, particularly in academic and scientific contexts.* Made with ❤ for the work Joe Rogan, Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble are conducting.

3:18:00 this seals the deal... When I was a kid, I was a big fan of Nessie. But when biologists surveyed the loch and explained there wouldn't be enough fish to sustain a population of big animals in the loch, it immediately ceased to make sense to me.

There has never been someone who has looked more like their name than Flint Dibble.

You have to give this archeologist some respect for going on the podcast to actually have this conversation rather than just completely ignore and dismiss Graham.

An engineer desperately needs to design a pair of glasses for Graham Hancock that can change lenses without having to switch them every time he changes depths

I’m going as Flint Dibble for Halloween.

Duncan Trussell's disguises are getting better and better.

graham intensely fighting with his 3 pairs of glasses is the greatest subplot ever

This and the other Hancock / Carlson debate with Schermer are my 2 favorite episodes of JRE

Joe’s closing statement was so on point and a great way to close the convo

This is so much better than the stand up comedian guests

Lemme get an ounce of Purple Kush, and half ounce of that Flint Dibble.

this episode belongs in a museum!

I would love to see these two come on again with Randall Carlson as well

Damn, the Olympic levels of mental acrobatics between Flint and Graham to not insult each other were insane

Rogan's back on youtube, Graham is back on Rogan. All is well with the world once again

I've not seen a man quote his Daddy so many times in many, many years.

That’s nice of Mr. Dibble to let his son borrow one of his suits for such a big occasion

It is 5pm on the 20th of April. 3.4million people have just watched an archaeology debate. This is why Joe Rogan is the goat 🐐

Flint Dibble is a real life South Park character 😂

Yes, old age affects my vision, too. Anyone fortunate enough to get old will know. Lasik, cataract surgeries help, but it’s a constant problem. I sometimes take pics and enlarge repeatedly to see details better.

Graham looks and sounds very healthy for 73! God bless you sir. What a good podcast!

“Jamie pull up the location of Atlantis”

It's surprising how entertaining it can be to listen to two grown men argue about rocks.

Love Graham clinging to "but they haven't excavated the whole desert" in response to Flint's "they don't need to excavate to survey, because it's a desert"

I've never seen a more Flint Dibble looking Flint Dibble.

UFC 304 Dibble vs Hancock For the Lost Civilization Belt

Naming your new born child Flint Dibble, gives it a 98% chance of it becoming an archeologist.

This was a really interesting debate thank you for sharing. I'd also like to say the closing remarks were wonderful!!! Thank you all so much!!!

That's why Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan! Best podcast in the world!💯🌏❤️

Jamie worked his ass off on this episode. 🤣

Get these 2 guys a comedy show where they visit sites together 😂

This is classic Joe Rogan podcast

This show showed me so much and the conversation was heated at times but warming listening to disagreement’s come together at the end. Great show boys😜💪🏻

4 1/2 hour archeology debate gets 1.6 *million* views overnight. I'm so thankful that Joe Rogan found his audience and that they found him.

Fascinating how Joe was screaming the night before in the octagon and now having an academic conversation about lost civilizations

I suggest you to debate about the Barabar "caves" in India. It would be interesting to hear Flint Dibble debate this.

So happy they did this.. Graham is the Man. And big shoutout to Flint for pulling up.. Win for everybody

Joe must have consumed 50 alpha brain tablets before this episode

Presidential debates should be done on this show moving forward.

Rogan would be the best debate moderator of all time

PLEASE! Do this now with Stephen Meyer and Dr Ken Miller! 🙏 the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial would be the best follow up of all time!

Rogan is incredibly fair in this debate. I am really impressed because he’s obviously such a huge friend and fan of Hancock but Joe holds Hancock accountable and questions him in the same way as Flint, and is very open to listening to the evidence from both sides.

I would LOVE to see a tv series where these two go out on archaeological expeditions together and all the conflicts they face 😂

I love how, since JRE returned to youtube, this is the 3rd most viewed episode behind only Katt Williams and Tucker Carlson 👏

Finally got to the end I love the awareness this brings to the issues facing archaeology even in large well funded public universities archaeology is incredibly underfunded!

I got about 17 seconds into the interview on Spotify, saw the Indiana Jones hat and immediately closed it and came to watch it on KZfaq JUST FOR the comments, and boy I was not disappointed 😂

I’m so glad Joe waited until we had a comments section again to air this episode.

Tough dive because of insane water currents. That could explain that stone hendge style underwater structure

“Dr. Jones. Meet my Father Dr. Jones.”

We need far more of these scientific debates.

This is Zack Galifianakis’s best performance since Baskets.

34:4412 st peter's basilica was build over a temple, which was initially build over a Roman tomb, and that place is massive. It wasn't destroyed but rather buried under huge amounts of earth. It was discovered by a bishop.

Why won’t Flint make eye contact with Graham?

To Flint, Graham, and Joe: thank you so much for doing this. This is the type of discussion that the internet desperately needs.

3.6 million views in 4 days and still counting for a 4 hour debate on archaeology is insane in a good way.

if the sphinx is that much older then it aligning with its leo counterpart starsign in the sky doesnt make sense as the starsigns were a babylonian system introduced in the ptolemaic period (around roman times) apparently but idk

One thing Joe gets wrong is the idea that the ancient Egyptians stand out as being completely unlike anything else from the time period. The civilizations of the middle east were also building grand monuments. For example, the Great Ziggurat of Ur was built about 4100 years ago, and was estimated at 210 feet (64m) in length, 150 feet (46m) in width and over 100 feet (30m) in height. This isn't as big as the Great Pyramid but it's in the same order of magnitude. The smaller (but still massive) Anu ziggurat at Uruk was constructed almost 2000 years earlier than that, around 4000 BCE. And don't forget the Olmec's Great Pyramid of La Venta and the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor. Although coming much later, they were built by cultures who hadn't developed agriculture until a couple thousand years after the people of Egypt and the middle east.

It should be mandatory for presidential candidates to debate the opposition on Rogan.

Everyone in this podcast gave their best. Joe was great host asking good questions, Jamie managed to find all the pictures while handling that hdmi cable, Graham fought three pairs of glasses and Flint kept his hat on without breaking his neck or headphones. This episode should go in history as one of the best.

It seems like the only logical point Graham has to make is that "We should be doing more to excavate the Sahara desert and land that was exposed during the ice-age.". Otherwise it seems like all of his 'discoveries' are based on intrigue and things apparently seeming suspicious. Flint actually makes the best and definitive point that "We would find other types of evidence if humans actually inhabited these areas". Grahams logic seems to be based on supposed purpose of archaeological finds, while Flint's is actually based on the actual materials that they find.

Flint dismissed the egypt discussion, or a big part of it, based on patterns. Saying there's nowhere else in the world that has the same pattern. That's a very weak argument. It strengthens Graham's argument, actually. "We look for patterns and there isn't one, so that's that. Case closed."

I wish I could’ve seen the interaction between Joe and Jamie the moment Flint and Graham walked out of the studio.

Can we tske a minute to appreciate the Archaeological Dad went and called his son Flint 🤣

This type of discussion/ debate is awesome. It has the potential to go way beyond who is right. It’s an opportunity for people to see how to have a discussion that is meaningful, passionate, yet respectful. Way to go!!

I'll bet Flint tries to get his closest friends to call him "Indy"

Petition to have Rogan host a 4 hour presidential debate ^^^

We need more of THIS. Unadulterated debate between amicable people with opposing viewpoints. THIS is how we grow our consciousness, our beliefs, our history! Awesome work Joe.

I think this should be the first step into achieving a blend of viewpoints for the betterment of reaching the truth of our past

Graham's argument: There was an ancient advanced ice age civilisation, though I have no concrete evidence of it nor an exact location. And if you haven't searched every square inch of the planet to disprove me, my theory remains correct.

Now I need another podcast of a mainstream geologist debating with Randall Carlson as well.

3.1M people tuning in for an archeological debate is insane! Joe Rogan did it again

Wow Hancock arguments really don’t hold water, my opinion about him has completely changed 😮

2:32:00 isnt it crazy that Dibble asked several colleagues to record webcam videos of them rebutting Graham's ideas?

Jamie was the unsung hero of this episode. He's an HDMI cable samurai.

I came here from Spotify just for the comments and that was the best decision I’ve ever made

Plant reversion for seed dispersal would be fast not slow.

1:30:56 - Where Flint is talking about what would convince him of the Piri Reis map and aligning it via GIS. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nsV5mbVinLKXeoE.html This video does just that.

3.3 million people watched this video in just 3 days! (On KZfaq alone) A 4.5 hour nerd debate on archeology. Fascinating.

Flint Dibble is that one guy in High School who brought a briefcase instead of a backpack.

If you're on the show to prove that the archaeological community doesn't act like bullies and moch people who challenge their findings, then laughing at almost every thing the other side suggest is probably not the way to go.

great work Jamie to bring them face to face.....

I wish this was a monthly episode. Where 2 different opinions of an interesting subject debate their points. Really interesting.

Hearing them dig at each other in professional ways is so funny. “That’s a very good idea flint, thank you”

3:48:07 i think the question is what kind of test and trial, mathematics, geometry, they knew? this is pretty important stuff.

As a scuba diver, I never seen natural formations that look like that. The Stonehenge looks less man made than some of these lol

As a construction worker I can guarantee you my boss doesn’t want to hear anything about a work stoppage due to found archeological structures and/ or objects. I can only imagine how many are bulldozed in other countries

joe's skill as a moderator is underrated. he did phenomenally here. he is such a good interviewer/host. wow.

You think if you gave Hancock one of those nice looking ancient knife tools but no spectacles he could take Flint in the octagon.

Bet you his Dad's name was officer Dibble, who used to keep a close eye on Top Cat