Joe builds a Camera Lucida and tries his hand at sketching.
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@speedon68SS4 жыл бұрын
You're a lifesaver. My girlfriend wants a camera Lucinda for Christmas but the only one I can afford is so small and cheesy it's not worth a dime. After watching this video I'm totally confident that I can make one ten times better then the cheesy one she wants and it'll be made with love. Thanks for the inspiration. I'm off to go make a mess. Lol
@dan69p Жыл бұрын
Did you make it ? And was it a success ? 🤔😉
@comkver Жыл бұрын
Update?
@TerribleShmeltingAccident Жыл бұрын
How’d it turn out my friend?😊
@bballduuuude6993 Жыл бұрын
omg we're dying to know! what happened
@dummatube Жыл бұрын
“Lucinda”?
@philipbyrnes7501 Жыл бұрын
Just a quick tip for filing the sharp edges of the glass. If you put some fine sandpaper down on a flat plate and then drag the edge at a 45 degree angle over the sand paper it will give it a nice even chamfer along the edge and when done carefully is a very quick and safe way of knocking the sharp edges off of glass to make it safer to handle. An old cabinetmakers trick we use prior to fitting custom glass panes in fine cabinets. Thanks for the interesting and very helpful video, take care and thanks again 😎👍
@KitKatToeBeans Жыл бұрын
Nice info 👍🏼
@scottmasson3336 Жыл бұрын
A sharpening stone or emery/wet and dry abrasive as well.
@juliasteinweh-adler52886 жыл бұрын
I am very impressed by the care and depth you go into in this video, like when you mentioned that tip about oiling the metal file. I really appreciate it!
@medit81084 жыл бұрын
This gentleman is a real teacher, a real teacher. Thanks for sharing what you know.
@MichelleRichee4 жыл бұрын
I know. Like a school teacher.
@woggie0017 жыл бұрын
If history is to be believed, the camera lucida was both a tool for greater detail as well as a training tool. On day 1 you won't be an artist, but on day 1,000 you will be. The key to becoming an artist is practice.
@1977ajax Жыл бұрын
Have to disagree completely; this is not a tool for beginners, but an aid to experience artists for obtaining proportion _rapidly._ If a beginner relies on this tool he or she will not progress as quickly compared to free-hand practise. As with virtually all templates, guides and drawing tools, this is an AID for a specific purpose, not a substitute for skill.
@woggie001 Жыл бұрын
@@1977ajax Have to agree to disagree on this. Even if one leans heavily on this tool, one is still drawing and learning proportion. Practicing. One cannot NOT learn through practice.
@1977ajax Жыл бұрын
@@woggie001 Of course the fatal flaw in your argument is that with this aid you are _not_ practising estimation of proportion etc. but merely tracing proportion. My post stands.
@woggie001 Жыл бұрын
@@1977ajax Your fatal flaw is in assuming that tracing does not teach you anything.
@1977ajax Жыл бұрын
@@woggie001 I never said that, of course, and I never assumed that, of course. You're straw-men are very weak.
@ladeene064 жыл бұрын
I just KNEW it had to be simple technology if it was hundreds of years old! I know this video is a couple/ few yrs old, and maybe there's dozens of similar videos, idk, but your calm and thorough attention to detail really make this an excellent tutorial. Just my opinion. Thank you for creating this! P.S. To those calling this tool "cheating"....if you give a student a paper with all the multiplication tables, 1 through 9 on it and tell them to practice writing them...is that cheating? No. It's a tool to aid in the practice of learning them. A tried and true way of committing to memory for immediate retrieval in the future. That's all. Just saying. This device is simply just an aid in the PRACTICE. A dishonest person will be dishonest with or without this tool. 😉
@nrich5127 Жыл бұрын
A profession Lucida starts at $55 US funds plus shipping/tarrifs and an improved model sells for $85 US and they can reach $300. The tools are very well made but out of range for many hobby artists. Your video shows what a hobbyist can achieve for much less. My only obstacle is trying to find a 2" square mirror which is not that easy. Thanks for the inspiration.
@roberthouston96572 жыл бұрын
Many of the great master painters used this very object to get their proportions correct before painting some of the famous pieces you have seen in art galleries. Kudos to you for the research and simplicity. 👍
@annandadesilva69834 жыл бұрын
Joe, this video was so thorough and clear! I really appreciate your work on this, watched the whole thing last night and this morning I rustled up the makeshift materials and made it! I'm so excited to use it (once i figure out how to mount it with things I have). It doesn't look as nice as yours but it works! Thanks again, I feel accomplished, which is a first during this quarantine!
@FreeSpokenOne7 жыл бұрын
I liked the insight from this video into how these are made, thanks for sharing. Those who think this is in any way cheating aren't artists, but talentless laymen looking for something they don't understand to critique. As an artist all my life, I loathe critics who feel self-righteous and judgemental. We do this for ourselves, not you so get over it and know we don't need your opinions. We'll use whatever tool is at our disposal to create art and nobody will know the difference, that I can promise. Don't like it then don't use one but no one has a right to tell someone else how to do their work.
@johnbrooks3456 жыл бұрын
... as David Hockney said " "drawing devices can't make marks, only a human can do that." make Art, ignore the critics.
@738polarbear6 жыл бұрын
Angry little chap aren't you ? Nobody cares except you having a bloody rant ha ha ha.
@brockalbert51115 жыл бұрын
@@738polarbear There are quite a few critics who refuse to admit the old masters used a camera lucida/obscura. Fewer after Hockney's "Secret Knowledge" and the documentary "Tim's Vermeer". But some critics still don't want to admit it.
@LeoLioness96015 жыл бұрын
These type of comments crack me up. The irony is for real in this one. 😅
@roberthouston96572 жыл бұрын
I too am an artist and I agree. Artists are doers and doers...do. critics are assholes and they do nothing but clutter everything up with crap. But anyway, getting a quick and precise likeness and/or light, shading and posing for composition is infinitely valuable. People already don't want to pay for what the artist often goes through. All tools that can help the bottom line are very useful.
@dawncheriewoodworth34494 жыл бұрын
Aahhhh! Constructive criticism alert...Never drag your file backwards across whatever material it is you are filing. You will ruin the file. What happens is you knock down the tooth of the file making it either useless or making gouges in the material you are trying to smooth out. Also, never put a metal file in water. Again, it will ruin your file by rusting and you'll have no tooth to file with. Use a light penetrating oil if you need to lubricate. BUT! After having said that, I am anxious to make my own camera lucida now. I'm a watercolorist but can't draw in the least bit! Very good video! I had no idea a person could make their own. And the ones they sell online are very expensive. Thanks for sharing! Keep up the good work! Going to subscribe so I can learn more things from you.
@ganchome1 Жыл бұрын
I am a scientific glass blower. Water weakens glass so much that you can cut glass under water with a pair of scissors. Oil makes glass stronger. If you wet glass it files easily. If you oil the glass and file it will strengthen the glass and will be much more difficult to file. It files easily with water. Use a diamond file. It doesn't rust. It is coated with a metal that is impregnated with diamond powder. It doesn't rust.
@TheBigmongrel5 жыл бұрын
Well done Joe for making this aid. I made something similar but for steadiness, I used a removable vertical round post (20mm) and slotted it into a 20mm hole drilled into a small block of wood which is permanently fixed to a 60cm square x 20mm thick chip board. The block of wood is 75mm x 50mm x 30mm deep. The camera is fixed to the post by putting a recess in the post and gluing/screwing it in place. This makes it non adjustable but more easy to transport and store away.
@antoniomelendez39192 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I appreciate your help I am someone who can not afford a real lucida and you have helped me to go to a whole new level god bless you 🙏🏻👍and thank you again
@tmgetts4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this video..I am an artist and I’m making me one of these. I like the idea I can use this to get quick defined details and shading of a subject in less time. Great video!
@seanarthur83925 жыл бұрын
HI Joe. Always wondered, now I know. Thank you for doing this DIY. I've been painting for years and have constantly been drawn to realism. I was given a projector device as a young boy by a relative (my parents were clueless) and used that for years but it required a photograph and careful set up, and still only helped with proportion. I tried a pin hole device but that was too much for too little re. setup and lighting controls. This is an interesting and simple tool as well. I can imagine it would be useful for doing the initial setup drawing of a complex subject. However, nothing substitutes for lots and lots of drawing practice!!
@williamokrasinski9840 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial Joe. Recently challenged grandson shows interest in drawing and I remembered like you from childhood this device. Sadly not Any DIY Camera Lucida except for yours. This is a fantastic demonstration of build it yourself with stuff from around the house. I have all except foam core board. We will be experimenting.
@MySpartan87 Жыл бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾I wish you was my shop teacher🎓🎓💪🏾your instructions, your voice, your passion is real, appreciate the content
@tammyfrancis78567 ай бұрын
Thank you for all of your tips. You’ve definitely saved me from making so many mistakes. It’s a pretty good duck! Better than I can draw.✍️
@ronnewton6065 жыл бұрын
after watching several videos on this subject, ive finely found one that is clear enought to repeat.. great job..
@lyllydd5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tut. I've been wanting to make a lucida for myself, and this looks like it can be done with readily available materials. BTW, for hole punching, you could benefit from a papercrafter's tool - a cropadile. It can do a couple of hole sizes, has a long reach, and gets through very think materials.
@danieladietel-wright80548 ай бұрын
Wow! I came here to find a diy for a camera lucida- instead I immediately checked on ebay, when you mentioned the "see and draw" device and found ( and bought!) one!!!😂❤ I thank you so much for the tip- I would probably not have built my own camera lucida anyway and I am so grateful to have found one like the one you mentioned❤
@mize_yir_bizz10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the upload, you did a great job building it and the duck turned out really good!
@paolotonolo11404 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Joe , thanks for the vedeo, you've shown us all how to savexa couple hundred bucks !! All the best.
@MaddConnekRecordz5 жыл бұрын
I love the way he explains it. Very informative. Kuddos.
@marshallphotoarts83807 жыл бұрын
Another masterpiece! I mean the video not the duck. LOL. I had one of these as a kid and it came with black paper and a white crayon pencil. That helped solve some of the problems in seeing what one is doing. Thanks Joe, Marshall
@Joe_VanCleave7 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense, white on black paper. One of us kids must have ruined them early on after grandpa got his in the mail, as I can't remember that detail.
@paulblake86643 жыл бұрын
Joe, about any movement between the device and the drawing paper? Start the drawing with 3 or more reference points! Then it is easy to reset the device by just going back to those first points on your drawing, matched against the superimposed ghost image! My favorite comment, "This might actually work!" And the answer is, "yes, thank you Joe; it does work very well!" And actually, your drawing of the decoy duck is for a first time up excellent, and I noted that the depth perception is also excellent proving the value of your Camera Lucida!
@BlackCat_25 жыл бұрын
This is cool! I want to make one for my son who has been drawing since he could hold a pencil and was still in diapers. :) He already can draw better than I ever did and seems to have a gift for it. I think he would really enjoy trying something out like this and Christmas is coming. :) Since I have been doing glass fusing for a good while I have all the tools to cut the glass as well. :D
@jilliancrawford75777 ай бұрын
You're a life-saver with this tutorial! I like to make my own sketches on my drawing tablet in an art program where I can get the anatomy or proportionsor whatever as perfect as I want it and trace them onto whatever traditional analog substrate I want and some surfaces like illustration boards or canvas panels are obviously way too thick to use a light box with. Graphite paper can be too messy for me and this just seems way more environmentally friendly in the long run too! As long as I can get an approximation and erase mistakes, then I don't consider possible visual imperfections as a real flaw with the device or method, so this just seems perfect. I also like the feature of having it on a microphone stand that can be moved around instead of having it clip to the table. It makes me wonder if a image can be transferred via moving around this Camera Lucida, substrate and reference accordingly, maybe keeping it organized with grid guidelines and just going grid section by grid section. Eve if not, the comfort flexibility of a stand is better than a clip that can only clip onto tables of a certain thickness.
@robertsadler99036 жыл бұрын
Just the way you work is very inspiring. I want to go out and make something after watching !
@peterclancy36538 ай бұрын
The ray lines to show how the device works unlocked the secret for me, thanks
@richardlee96857 жыл бұрын
Joe, you're the Bob Ross of glass cutting. Also, I've never seen an oil filled glass cutter before. That's an interesting tool.
@Joe_VanCleave7 жыл бұрын
Does this mean I need to talk real softly (perhaps aided by muscle relaxers) and grow a 'fro?
@warenmann104210 ай бұрын
My granddaughter is interested in drawing and art . I will have to build one of these to help her along. Also, it seems like the old overhead projector we used in school was just a reverse Camera Lucida. Anyway, Your video and instructions were excellent and greatly appreciated, I will build one. Thank You...
@emiliorodela82124 жыл бұрын
Simple and clear. Thanks, because you solve the mystery in my head about this tool.
@Crazycoyote-we7ey Жыл бұрын
This explains so much about certain artworks
@JackSmith-ud9bg5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a good job explaining the Lucida diy.
@trilpub3 жыл бұрын
A fine aid to this project, an expert teacher.
@johneverett27135 жыл бұрын
Great explanation on how it works ,could use a carborundum stone to take edges off the glass and mirror
@lisasternenkind6467 Жыл бұрын
,you can also use sandpaper to file down the edges. I used to do this with the glass sheers I used as openings for the terrariums I used to build.
@mississippisteve702611 ай бұрын
My only suggestion to the construction, would be to get a "back saw" and cut a slot in the dowel. I think it would add structural integrity to the lens apparitus. Other than THAT - most excellent video - going to make one for myself (instead of buying on for $80+) all I need is to come up with a decent mic stand... hello eBay. Mucho grasioso, Joe.
@nilo9456 Жыл бұрын
In the length of this video, I was able to fab up a prototype. One sheet of scrap glass, about 5 and 7/16" (37mm) by 6 and 15/16" (175mm) about 3/16" (4mm) thick. For what it's worth, these measurements are immaterial, it's just what I had to hand, and to give an idea of size. To the above, I added a hand mirror. Just holding these two objects in my hand, I got a reasonable facsimile of the results shown in this video. It helps to be the sort of person who doesn't throw away stuff. (Insert Horder if you like.) I also have essential tremor, so took me longer to write this message then the entire video. Also precludes any artistic endeavor, sigh.
@omarhadjarab80499 ай бұрын
Thank you, Sir, for sharing the video, it's very good and well explained. Just a healthy advice when making the glass, not only you need eye protection but do wear a breathing mask too, because when glass dust enter the lungs it will never come out and will cause fatal health problems. As for filing the sharp edges of the cut glass, it would be better using a small very fine indian grinding stone and wet it with water. I'm about to build one as I have all the necessary parts, but I would like to make a larger version of this, like 10cm x 10cm prism(mirror) then measure the length of the glass according to the angle of incidence. This is my first attempt and I would love to hear from someone if a larger version is better or is limited.
@4355dcox7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe very nice DIY video! I highly recommend a movie called "Tim's Vermeer" you will love this movie! Tim is a big DIY guy too. Best regards, Diane
@alext8828 Жыл бұрын
Damn good job on that duck. I like it.
@richardvallonjr.671611 күн бұрын
Please note- artistic talent is developed through instruction and practice. I've been drawing off and on for three years and I'm getting better. Photographing 45 years and still getting better.
@wtchtower Жыл бұрын
this is much better than the Pantograph I am using just to get the outline of the portrait i am going to paint. Thanks for sharing
@dsmith957227 күн бұрын
I'm making mine with cardboard & tape. 1.414, 45 angle, fixed eye position, fixed lucida position, fixed drawing position. Got it. Thanks.
@fernandoariza4837 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting this video thanks for your job from Colombia 👏👏👏
@blonski2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the project tips! It is not oil used to cut glass. It's kerosene. With a felt brush, together with a wooden ruler, to clean and 'lubricate' the cut location. pull to your side with little pressure. support the other end under the risk of being cut, and press with both thumbs on the side, and the glass will break on the line, without pliers. Use a table lined with felt. Use sandpaper with water.😉 Ps: If you like, you can use kerosene on your files too. Cutting the glass must be done in a single hand movement, following the angle of the tool. If you pass it more than once, where it already has a line, it will damage the cutting tool.
@atolliver913 жыл бұрын
This answers some of my questions on how to use it…thanks.
@tuvoca8255 жыл бұрын
He has a bob-ross like quality. Cool!
@vastaria1830 Жыл бұрын
if you don't have a clamp to break the glass, do this instead: tap the back of the glass under the scratch line with the back of the glass cutter, then break in half
@marcosfunky Жыл бұрын
To naprawdę pomocny film, nie tylko dowiesz się jak zrobić, ale co zrobić po drodze jak urzywać narzędzi. Wspaniale!
@Itried20takennames Жыл бұрын
Great idea and job. And agree that this helps hugely with checking proportions, etc by tracing, but takes a bit more practice to be a nice portrait of something.
@AmGal114 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this very helpful tutorial
@Joe_VanCleave4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@user-qs1xz2mx6fАй бұрын
Thanks a lot for saving me so much money!
@justpassingthrough98875 жыл бұрын
An old style desk lamp would be a great base and mount. I've seen a lot of them at second hand stores. Just remove the lamp part and wiring. I'm sure my husband wouldn't be very happy if I used his mic stand to make a lucida. 😃
@alysononoahu87024 жыл бұрын
Can you see the sound engineer losing his mind
@paulavanrassel24793 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant and well communicated. I am so kicking myself!!!! I bought one for a ridiculous price (and besides the arm, it's not much fancier than yours).
@cvcoco Жыл бұрын
For glass, I use wet-dry sandpaper to smooth the edges and the cut surface. Fast and no problems. Whatever you have, around 320 grit and no water needed. The sanding also levels the surface and you do it by putting the sandpaper on like that piece of marble or another piece of glass and rub your work over it.
@ferenclucas2842 Жыл бұрын
Good job on this video very interesting and inventive
@julioluna336611 ай бұрын
Beautiful video! I would make one too
@Richard0503Ай бұрын
thanks so much - i will try this!
@dbaider9467 Жыл бұрын
A very neat, altruistic and interesting half hour.
@claudiohase296 Жыл бұрын
MUUUUUITO BOMMMM !!!!! parabéns pela ideia !!! Excelente !!!
@frederickbowdler8169 Жыл бұрын
Super demonstration thanks I feel like I could attempt this now.
@ashleywalsh40907 ай бұрын
I use a knife sharpening stone to bevel the glass edge. Sandpaper can work ok as well. 😊
@theresaromero28554 жыл бұрын
You are a very good teacher.
@naturewatcher7596 Жыл бұрын
Went an easier way - just bought this vintage see and draw toy on ebay. :) The problems I encountered: 1. The object has a double image (not fully focused, like two images together but slightly shifted). Don't see any way to fix it. 2. As you mentioned - can't see clearly where is the tip of my pencil, but will use your advice to solve this problem. 3. My eyes getting tired quite quickly while using it. Otherwise it's a neat little device, but for tracing I prefer a light board or just a laptop screen.
@brierobb98795 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video! Thank you.
@erikhunsinger49375 жыл бұрын
Thanks for demonstrating and inspiring. Well done. Extremely thorough. This is refreshing in the day of twitterpated sounds bites.
@brians3987 Жыл бұрын
I have the Magic Art see and draw since I was a kid In 1986. It was advertised in the back of the Star and National Enquirer magazines that my Grandmother used to always buy! It does work with the proper lighting adjustment. I've always felt that the stand was too small though. I have propped it with different things to make it work better. This was a cheap invention back in the day but I see today products being sold for over one hundred dollars just because they gave it a professional arm or stand. I remember I paid $8.00 for mine through mail in order! 😂 LOL
@omarreis4394 Жыл бұрын
Nice project... Thanks
@tlyoung2474 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video it was exactly what I was looking for !!
@nilo9456 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest obtaining a diamond scriber, a set of diamond coated files and some light oil, Sewing machine oil is inexpensive and unless you do this sort of thing for a living, will still be around after you're not.
@dianasaur21315 жыл бұрын
Ball and socket with tightening screw from satnav/cell holders are great for mounting the box to height adjustment armature.
@izysly51093 жыл бұрын
Cool trick with the water ,file, glass thingy.
@knowitallandtravel6 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation and detail. Thanks!!
@fatherdirt2866 Жыл бұрын
Cool project if you had some money and the tools to build it ....Ireally appreciate your video but with all this cool stuff i can just go out and buy on and start drawing right away....maybe in the near future when i can go out and buy all the stuff i need i will cause it would be cool to explain the way i drew a MASTER PIECE.,.. And say yea and i even built my own Camera lucida....so Thanks joe great video....have it saved...😊
@nilo9456 Жыл бұрын
Other suggestions I've forgot: Put some gaffer's tape in the mic stand. This will help keep the dowl from moving. If you have the closer from the storm door, cut the rod off about 3-4 inches, drill a hole in the end of the dowl, close to the same size as the rod, fill with hot melt glue, shove the rod in the hole. Once this dries/hardens, find a suitable bolt and nut, now you have pivot that gives a greater range of adjustment. If you can't find the closer, a hardware store screw eye could work.
@ezekieljensen774 Жыл бұрын
This man is captain Barbossa in a life where he became an artist instead of a pirate
@JoePani17 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Great stuff.
@rebelbecky276 Жыл бұрын
I wish I'd known about this in my college days and then I wouldn't have flunked art - twice😁
@rodneysmart9774 Жыл бұрын
13:15 mount the mirror to the back piece with double sided tape so it's perfectly flat and square.
@josephstratti52 Жыл бұрын
Diamond file will give a good result filling the glass edge.A diamond knife sharpener will give a good edge to that glass.
@cookt135 жыл бұрын
Hi would it be better if you hinge the glass so that you can adjust the angle and be able to access the glass and the mirror to clean them
@tarasden637 жыл бұрын
Great video! Some of us do need the details, others don't & can skim through if they like. I noticed you scratched the glass away from your body. I think I learned in past that for straight cuts you push away & for curves you pull towards you. Does that sound familiar?
@irasemapanizzo4 жыл бұрын
Joe, muchisimas gracias.
@Joe_VanCleave4 жыл бұрын
De nada.
@mikethierry725 Жыл бұрын
I have over the years that a fine grit sand paper works so much easier and less chance of slivers and or breakage and place sand paper on a sturdy flat surface and hold glass and as it with any other time back and forth to what is need ed.and if your afraid of getting cut and just put some duct tape around the you wo t be working with if preferred
@michellebeck36516 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great and informative tutorial! I was just pricing these online and now I see I have everything I need in my studio to make one, with the exception of the glass cutting tool. Wonder if there is a Dremel bit for that?
@joshwhite99544 жыл бұрын
Just submerge in water and use a scissors. Check out glass experiments be amazed on KZfaq
@wiwythebest7 жыл бұрын
awesome Joe!
@-_._._- Жыл бұрын
I like to may-juur things before I cut them. Like my dad always said, may-jurr twice, cut once.
@zdcyclops1lickley190 Жыл бұрын
Sand paper does a much better job of smoothing the egdes. You can make a sandpaper file by using CA glue to affix 150 -600 grit to a flat piece of steel bar stock, or glue the sandpaper to youir marble slab and rub the edges you need to smooth. Afaster method is to use a rotary tool and it's sanding attachment.
@VinlandAlchemist Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!! YOU ROCK!! 🙂👍
@donnaeiler3179 Жыл бұрын
I’ll prob buy one if I do but this was very interesting
@antonellocossu43193 жыл бұрын
As of today, 27th December of the (dis)grace year 2020, there's around 94 poor people who didn't like this video. I would like to meet one of them, to understand why...
@chrisbraid2907 Жыл бұрын
Looking at your version of the Lucida I love your viewer-finder but think maybe if you made a base like a three sided pyramid and cut the top to fit a square tube under the Lucida to give you the height. That way the pyramid could hold down your paper and support the eyepiece better …
@fanaticatheist Жыл бұрын
I am in agreement with Julia, below = lots of advice = *GOOD JOB* Thank You.
@Red-Feather Жыл бұрын
What a gadget!
@dresecondunitarian30757 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your time and detail, Joe. Saves a lot of questions down in comments, doesn't it?! I'm thinking of making one for my class. (ok, for me... :) )
@carmendavalos7609 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this tutorial, I will try it, but I was thinking about the stand for the camera, we could use one of those desk lamps, an old one that we can adapt it to our camera lucida, what do you think? again thanks